Talk:Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Verbal assault/harassment section

Is the verbal harassment section still due? It seems like something that was a so and so early on but no longer seen as important. Basically boiling down to a high school spat. Should we remove the section or at least trim it considerably? PackMecEng (talk) 01:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Many reliable secondary sources (WP:PSTS) covered it so it should stay — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ix-holtzman (talk • contribs)

Then coverage almost immediately died. So something like WP:NOTNEWS comes into play since it has had no long term impact on her life. The issue is not coverage by RS, the issue is WP:DUE weight. PackMecEng (talk) 10:15, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the due weight link, I'm still learning. Due weight is largely determined by prevalence in reliable sources: "Keep in mind that, in determining proper weight, we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors or the general public" — WP:DUE. For what it's worth, I suspect many readers may be inclined to agree with you regarding the relative triviality of the verbal altercation compared with more serious issues like crime. But from what I can surmise, the length of the section is appropriate. Best, — Ix-holtzman (talk) 17:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

It's definitely a notable event for Yoho to be covered on Yoho's page, as he resigned from a board over it. As for AOC's page.... I'm not sure. It drew a lot of attention at the time, and could be seen as worth keeping. But there's so much else to cover for her as well.... A trim would not be amiss. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:54, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I think that a considerable cut would be appropriate. Gandydancer (talk) 19:41, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

• @Gandydancer, Muboshgu, Ix-holtzman, and PackMecEng: - I trimmed and merged it into the Other issues section. As you can see, 177 words cut, 2 references cut. Apologies if this is a repeated ping, don't know if the first one went through. starship.paint (exalt) 08:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

AOC and Israel

Hey all,

I recently made this revision[1] but it was reverted. I wasn't sure why (it's notable and well-sourced), so I thought I would bring it up for a discussion. My user pages discloses this, but I want to be clear here as well that this is my new account after losing access to my old account Pretzel butterfly per WP:VALIDALT. Benevolent human (talk) 14:32, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Because contrary to your edit, the House resolution does not mention BDS or Israel.[2] It merely affirms that boycotting is a protected right as determined by the U.S. Supreme Court. That's probably why mainstream media ignored it, which means it fails weight for inclusion. TFD (talk) 04:31, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

The mainstream media source I cited refers to the resolution as "a document that is widely understood as a specific show of support for the boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) campaign against Israel" given the timing [3]. And that Omar said right before filing that it was an "opportunity for us to explain why it is we support a nonviolent movement, which is the BDS movement." However, while I still think the sentence should go in, if BDS isn't in the resolution text itself, it's not worth my time to continue to push it if there's disagreement. Thanks for pointing that out! Benevolent human (talk) 13:53, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Forward is a biased publication on this issue, with a Israeli nationalist bent, and has numerous times described statements by people in questionable, biased, and inaccurate terms in order to push the framing that anyone who critiscizes Israel is "antisemitic". Describing the resolution merely as a "BDS resolution" is a biased and not good faith attempt to refer to it, it is merely a political talking point and an intentional distortion. Give their numerous bad faith inaccurate articles to push this right wing narrative I do not think they can accurately be described as "mainstream" any more than any other publication with a clear nationalist ideology.2601:140:8900:61D0:ADF1:2C9A:7E54:E8A8 (talk) 03:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Far left

I notice that in the wiki for Marjorie Taylor Greene it states that she is a "far right conspiracy theorist". To be fair, shouldn't the wiki for aoc state that she is Far left? In reality, it should also state that she doesn't comprehend the legislative process, the 3 branches of government or the Constitution. The article also puts her net worth at $30,000 yet she has received half a million dollars in salary as a Congresswoman not to mention millions in income from other sources including Netflix. 71.34.175.2 (talk) 01:59, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

If you have any complaints about how MTG is described, discuss it at her article. Don't complain here just to make a point. AOC is a self-described democratic socialist, which doesn't make her far left in reliable sources. And making money has no relevance to one's political position. TFD (talk) 02:34, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

The salary of a representative is not nearly half a million. She's worked a grand total of two years in DC and that region can easily eat up a six figure salary on just living expenses, saving 30k in net assets from what I can assume was nothing in a couple of years actually indicates she's rather frugal.2601:140:8900:61D0:ADF1:2C9A:7E54:E8A8 (talk) 03:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Looking for feedback on the Endorsements section

I am wondering about other's feelings on perhaps cutting this section back. At the time it was perhaps interesting as it showed what she was up against, but on the other hand it is/was not surprising in that he was a pretty powerful Democrat who was fighting Trump and had a pretty decent platform. I'm going to print it out here. Perhaps there are still some good reasons for keeping it all rather than just a short mention.

This is all very relevant as AOC's main notability derives from her success as a insurgent candidate. Incidentally IIRC the Working Families Party did not endorse Crowley but nominated him so that his name would be on the ballot as a candidate for their party. Neither the party nor Crowley were able to remove his name before the November election. TFD (talk) 20:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

OK, good--I trust your judgement and thanks for the quick reply. About the nomination, I read that and felt that a reader would need to read the source. If you know how to make it more understandable I'm sure that would be an improvement. Gandydancer (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Anti-Semitism

Add that AOC has made false and baseless claims smearing Israel as an "apartheid state."[4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rickplops (talk • contribs) 00:30, May 18, 2021 (UTC)

There's an article about that, Israel and the apartheid analogy. Haaretz wrote about the WP-article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

And how is this false concerning Israel's racist policies? 18:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)Dimadick (talk)

Anti-zionism isn’t anti-Semtitism. It isn’t hard logic. Trillfendi (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. This right wing talking point conflating Judaism and Israel is quite ludicrous. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Post-College Timeline is Not Consistent

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/02/ocasio-cortez-westchester/751333002/ 'Westchester County land records show that Ocasio-Cortez was living there with her mother and brother in 2016 when they sold the home for $355,000.'

This article says that AOC went to live with her mother in the Bronx after college. I would like to propose this to be changed in light of the above. Accipio Mitis Frux (talk) 11:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

There is nothing in that link that would warrant a change. It was a tabloid-ish piece of sensationalism, and if you read it all the way through, would see that the accusations were rebutted. ValarianB (talk) 11:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Since AOC graduated from Boston University in 2011, evidence that she lived in Westchester in 2016 is not evidence that she did not live in the Bronx after completing university, since the Westchester house was rented out. It could be she moved there in order to prepare it for sale. Since none of the articles that claim she lived in Westchester are reliable sources, there are no changes we can make. TFD (talk) 14:40, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Possible loaded language

In the sentence "The Young Turks have continued to cover Ocasio-Cortez and defend her from political and media elites who see her as outside the political culture of DC, with occasional criticism on some of her policies", the phrase "political and media elites" seems like a loaded term with a connotation of non-neutrality (AOC vs. shadowy unnamed "elites").

Recommending a NPOV alternative such as "opponents". A {{who}} tag might not go amiss either. 73.254.89.77 (talk) 22:55, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I have removed the sentence pending any consensus on wording to include. "Political and media elites" is too POV a phrase. "With occasional criticism" isn't particularly descriptive, either. It reads as promotional for TYT to me. Is there anything of substance to say about how TYT covers AOC? – Muboshgu (talk) 03:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Not from my knothole. There's plenty of other parts of the article that talks about TYT and their early promotion of AOC (which is notable, I think) but I fully agree this sentence offers nothing of substance. 73.254.89.77 (talk) 02:29, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Article needs revisions

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (/oʊˌkɑːsioʊ kɔːrˈtɛz/; Spanish: [oˈkasjo koɾˈtes]; born October 13, 1989), also known by her initials AOC, is an American politician. AOC votes and confers support to militarism, inequality, unemployment and poverty. This is precisely contrary to any concern she may publically declare, moreover any legislation she may propose.

AOC represents an obedience to tyranny that is mostly hidden. Her concerns are eloquent and lucid but festooned with the weaponized propaganda of social justice. A masquerade determined to prevent equality and at the very least hope or dignity.

The intent here is not cynicism or contempt for AOC - instead AOC is a newer, brighter example who only confirms the complete absence of democracy in the United States.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.220.82 (talk • contribs) 21:04, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

• Neither of your sources says anything you have written, but even if they did, you would need something better than a blog, which should not be used in biographies, and an op-ed published on the World Socialist Web Site, which is almost certainly undue. (And please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes like this: ~~~~.) Kleinpecan (talk) 02:07, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Who is the tyrant? TFD (talk) 05:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

References

Where does AOC get her funding?

Our politicial system responds to money and politicians are very capable of deceiving and mis-guiding many of those mistreated by the system into fighting against the very forces that might help them. This may apply to Ms Ocasio-Cortez, as much as it does Bernie "Lockheed Martin" Sanders or Joe "Huge Oily Coal" Manchin. So, politicians themselves have very little power but they are owned:

https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/fundraising-totals