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Just inserted a "failed verification" inline tag as I have access to the said pages online but can't find what has been cited.
Just inserted a "failed verification" inline tag as I have access to the said pages online but can't find what has been cited.


But the deeper question I have for the editor who quoted extensively from Mark Mazower's trashy and poorly researched book, ''Inside Hitler's Greece'' is why? What were his motives, and the motives of wiki editors like himself who feel it to be their moral duty to denigrate and belittle the Italian war effort at every turn?; who continue to cherry-pick quotes and information designed to put the Italians in a bad light, come what may? The psychology of such people is interesting, to say the least. But what is perhaps more difficult to understand, is this need to portray the Germans as worthy (and honorable) victors while it was they who principally looted the country and starved its inhabitants. [[User:AnnalesSchool|AnnalesSchool]] ([[User talk:AnnalesSchool|talk]]) 09:38, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
But the deeper question I have for the editor who quoted extensively from Mark Mazower's trashy and poorly researched book, ''Inside Hitler's Greece'' is why? {{rpa}} But what is perhaps more difficult to understand, is this need to portray the Germans as worthy (and honorable) victors while it was they who principally looted the country and starved its inhabitants. [[User:AnnalesSchool|AnnalesSchool]] ([[User talk:AnnalesSchool|talk]]) 09:38, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


::Trashy and poorly researched book ''Inside Hitler's Greece''? Suppose you are not serious, Mazower and his works are on of the best we have in WWII-Greece subject. In general you need to be more precise about your arguments, needless to say you need to explain every editorializing tag you placed.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 13:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
::Trashy and poorly researched book ''Inside Hitler's Greece''? Suppose you are not serious, Mazower and his works are on of the best we have in WWII-Greece subject. In general you need to be more precise about your arguments, needless to say you need to explain every editorializing tag you placed.[[User:Alexikoua|Alexikoua]] ([[User talk:Alexikoua|talk]]) 13:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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POW

The number of 1,531 Greeks taken prisoner reported by Rodogno is at the date of December 31, 1942 (after the liberation of a good number of prisoners) and detained only on the national metropolitan territory. The Italian relations reports approximately 10,000 prisoners taken.--SaturnoV (talk) 13:26, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I add also that the number reported is meaningless and perhaps not neutral:
November 30, 1942 -> 1653;
December 31, 1942 -> 1531;
March 31, 1943 -> 1686;
April 30, 1943 -> 1690;
The table by Rodogno shows four numbers and was selected the smallest--SaturnoV (talk) 14:19, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Greek Army History Directorate's "An Abridged History of the Greek-Italian and Greek-German War 1940-1941", page 298, mentions 87 officers and 2,305 soldiers captured "on the battlefield" by Italian forces. Apparently it includes only prisoners interned away, as the exact expressions are "in Italy" and "in Germany", with the German figure being extremely low (14 and 59), understandable as the Germans held Greek prisoners only briefly and then released them.--Xristar (talk) 15:18, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Primary reason why Mussolini invaded Greece - German encroachment in Italy's sphere of influence.

Why was my referenced insert below deleted on the grounds that it is "too simplistic"? Then if it is too simplistic, can anyone offer a valid and logical reason why Mussolini invaded Greece when he did, apart from the reason that it was just an "impulse" he had?

In fact, Mussolini's decision to invade Greece was precipitated by Germany's continual interference and encroachment in the Balkans, long considered by the Italian fascist leadership as its own sphere of influence. [1] It was thus Hitler's decision, made in his characteristically impulsive and unilateral manner, to invade Poland without informing his Axis partner, as well as his interference in Romania and Croatia, that forced Mussolini's hand to attack Greece as a preemptive measure against "a predatory German ally".[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnnalesSchool (talkcontribs) 19:34, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to formulate a new paragraph on this subject which will be less lopsided in terms of favouring the simplistic POV position that "Hitler made me do it". But I need some time. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 20:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Sadkovich, (1993), The Italo-Greek War in Context, pp.439- 445.
  2. ^ Sadkovich, (1993), The Italo-Greek War in Context, pp.439- 445.

Withdrawal and Surrender of the Greek First Army AND German Intervention sections are much too biased, POV and partisan

This section has been issued with a Neutrality Disputed warning tag. I urge readers to be aware that certain editors are heavily pro-Greek and what they have written should be taken with a great deal of skepticism as it represents only one side of the story and is a poor reflection of the principles of Wikipedia. Wiki administrators have been notified and the appropriate action will be taken to prevent further biased editorializing. AnnalesSchool (talk) 14:17, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have to note that this section should be trimmed at least 70%: It concerns another war that followed the Greco-Italian one.Alexikoua (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Italy and Greece didn't made peace when the Germans invaded, the war continued until the eventual Greek surrender. Uspzor (talk) 19:02, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Off course they didn't made peace but the specific section still concerns the Greek-German conflict.Alexikoua (talk) 20:36, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just inserted a "failed verification" inline tag as I have access to the said pages online but can't find what has been cited.

But the deeper question I have for the editor who quoted extensively from Mark Mazower's trashy and poorly researched book, Inside Hitler's Greece is why? (Personal attack removed) But what is perhaps more difficult to understand, is this need to portray the Germans as worthy (and honorable) victors while it was they who principally looted the country and starved its inhabitants. AnnalesSchool (talk) 09:38, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Trashy and poorly researched book Inside Hitler's Greece? Suppose you are not serious, Mazower and his works are on of the best we have in WWII-Greece subject. In general you need to be more precise about your arguments, needless to say you need to explain every editorializing tag you placed.Alexikoua (talk) 13:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted the tendentious tagging based on the nonsense arguments above. Also there was no "failed verification", the material is clearly there on page 16. But I added a direct quote to prevent any other false claims of failed verification. I also warn AnnalesSchool any more of this type of edits and the personal attacks and next step will be Arbitration enforcement. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:07, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]