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: Apparently, someone disagreed with them. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

:This was undeleted per request from [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]. So thank you DES. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:22, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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==[[Federalism in Iraq]]==
Hi Int21h, I saw that you placed a PROD tag on [[Federalism in Iraq]] because it's been merged into [[Federal government of Iraq]].  Although the old article doesn't need to be kept, it actually should not be deleted either.  If you merge one article into another, simply replace the obsolete article with a redirect to the new one.  This is easier and faster, since it doesn't require an administrator to perform the action.  Also, it preserves the edit history at the old article, which is required under the GFDL, the license used by Wikipedia.  --[[User:Reuben|Reuben]] ([[User talk:Reuben|talk]]) 09:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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: Ok, it's been done. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 18:31, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
==Business Method Patents==

I see that you are cruising all of the business method patent articles.  Anything in particular you are looking for?  It's something of a specialty of mine.--[[User:Nowa|Nowa]] ([[User talk:Nowa|talk]]) 03:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
==Thanks==
[[Image:WikiThanks.png|43px|left|WikiThanks]]<!-- {{Template:WikiThanks}}--> Int21h, thank you for taking the time to comment on [[WT:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline]]. I am glad you also see how important this guideline will be, since it will determine the inclusion or exclusion of television character and television episodes. Like you, I have really strong views about this too. [[User:Ikip|Ikip]] ([[User talk:Ikip|talk]]) 01:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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== Executive Office of President Seal ==

Just a quick thank you, for putting the correct seal up for the EOP office. I had looked for it and had no luck....obviously hadn't looked hard enough! [[User:Benny45boy|Benny45boy]] ([[User talk:Benny45boy|talk]]) 08:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== RE: Sacramento County Sheriff's Department move ==

As the person who initiated the moves, I am taking the liberty of replying before SGT141. As was stated in the move summary, [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Law_Enforcement#Disambiguation_for_US_LEAs|consensus was reached]] at the Law Enforcement Wikiproject to change the previous method of disambiguation of US law enforcement agency articles. The reason this article was moved was (because the majority of US LEA articles are still redlinks) every state list of law enforcement agencies, such as [[List of law enforcement agencies in California]] was edited to reflect the new disambiguation method where the state is added in brackets after the agency name. Therefore, some agencies have been disambiged where they might not have been before. If you feel that [[Sacramento County Sheriff's Department (California)]] should be moved back, and given that there are no other agencies with that name, I see no reason why it shouldn't be. [[User:Ninetyone|ninety]]:[[User talk:Ninetyone|one]] 14:12, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
:I'm really not that fussed, but if you want to move it back I'll happily debate the issue properly via the article talk page. I can only apologise for what might have looked like a less-then-perfect attitude on the part of SGT141, I am sure he didn't mean it that way... [[User:Ninetyone|ninety]]:[[User talk:Ninetyone|one]] 20:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: I have already moved it back once before. ''And'' already started a section on the talk page, which was apparently not seen. I direct you to [[Talk:Sacramento County Sheriff's Department#Page move]]. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 20:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I am sorry if you took what I said to someone else the wrong way.  Nothing personal was directed toward you.  And, by the way, the "personality disorder' remark was directed at myself!  Again, sorry if I was indelicate.[[User:SGT141|SGT141]] ([[User talk:SGT141|talk]]) 20:30, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: No harm done. :) [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 20:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:I can't see where you have moved the page, but I do see the talk page entry and I apologise. I have tried to explain a little further on the WP. 20:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:: A little over a year ago (in April 2008) a day or so after I reverted the move. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 20:51, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

== War Powers Resolution ==

(2/3 * X) + (2/3 *Y) = 2/3 (X+Y), is true for mathematics.  But a veto override doesn't work exactly like that.  It needs a 2/3rds of both and houses, not just 2/3 of Congress as a whole.  For example If the House votes for 100% (435-0) and the Senate votes against 0% (0-100), then it's 435-100, which is more than 2/3, but won't override a veto. —[[User talk:Markles|Markles]] 19:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

==[[WP:Hornbook]] -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum==

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== DYK for Coleman v. Schwarzenegger ==


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== [[Politics of Iraq]] ==

Hey Int, please provide edit summaries--I think I see what you're working on, but a grand removal of references always raises eyebrows. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
==[[:National Broadband Plan]]==
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:Public Domain. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 20:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

::Redirected to [[Connecting America: The National Broadband Plan]]. I created this article immediately after the announcement of the plan, using the plan's full name. "The National Broadband Plan" isn't very specific since any nation could have such a plan. I made sure to include in my article the distinctive content you contributed to the shorter article when you were unaware of mine. I saw no reason to replace my introduction with yours, but anyone can certainly change my introduction to something better.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:Green;">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 18:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

:::I see you've looked at my article. Thanks.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:Green;">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 20:26, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

::::Actually, you seem to just be fixing your own work. But I guess that means you approve of mine. Time will tell.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:Green;">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 20:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

:::::Whether I approve or not is irrelevant. The relevant part is that you made an edit (a redirect in this case) in good faith, and since your article predates my stub there is no reason to suggest your edits are incorrect.  [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 20:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I probably should have asked someone, but when I found the article I used as a source today I had forgotten what the heck I called my article. So I went on a hunt that showed me there was a place where I should have directed people to my article, and now it does. I knew there didn't need to be a duplicate, and I made sure anything from yours was covered in mine.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:Green;">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 21:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

:The only problem with the current article's title is its long and its not the common name here in the states. Many people are likely to wikilink to National Broadband Plan. But there are articles that don't have anyone expanding them and I really don't care at the moment, so I will leave that discussion for later. :) [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 05:54, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well, I used the official title I found in one of the sources. I've changed it once because another source used another official title. I suppose it's something we can discuss, but "National Broadband Plan" will be useless in any other country.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:Green;">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 15:42, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

:::Useless? See the [[Department of Trade and Industry]]. The title is not useless outside the UK. Notice that since it is the most common meaning when someone mentions "Department of Trade and Industry", it gets the title, even though there is a "Department of Trade and Industry" in the Philippines. My guess is that the National Broadband Plan will not redirect to a disambiguation page but to this article because the other plans are not named as such; in which case I say the article be renamed. Even if there is a similarly named plan, the article could be named as such as the most common meaning of the term. Or rename it National Broadband Plan (United States) if you wish to pre-disambiguate, but people will likely not pre-disambiguate their wikilinks (me included), so there is sure to be alot of redirects. Unfortunately when your the biggest English speaking country in the world, or England, you tend to dominate the English namespace. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 15:55, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
::::If you don't think other countries' plans will be called "National Broadband Plan", I can accept that. "National Broadband Plan (United States)" seems like a good idea. I'll throw it out there.[[User:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color:Green;">Vchimpanzee</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[User talk:Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: orange"> talk</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Vchimpanzee|<span style="color: purple">contributions</span>]]&nbsp;'''·''' 18:32, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

== Continuing archived discussions ==

Quick note, I replied to your post at [[Help_talk:Archiving_a_talk_page#ongoing_discussions_and_how_to_continue_an_.22archived.22_discussion]]. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 14:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Merge to Palestinian territories ==

Hey, I just saw your post on the merge discussion. To be honest, I can't think of an admin I know who I would feel comfortable asking to make such a merge. Most of the admins I have encountered are cowards when it comes to Israli-Arab issues and to be blunt, don't have the balls to make controversial actions. Is there an official way to ask an uninvolved admin to merge articles once consensus is established, which it has been? If you can show me where to do it, I'll be happy to get it done. [[User:Breein1007|Breein1007]] ([[User talk:Breein1007|talk]]) 04:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

:Fuck... I have no idea. The whole Palestine issue is a fucking mess. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:18, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

== Final court of appeal in Jamaica ==

I responded to your edits at [[Talk:Judiciary of Jamaica]].  Your edits were fine given the Sheehan and Black book, but unfortunately, the authors got it wrong in this case.  If you don't agree, let's discuss it at the article talk page.  Thanks for your work on this topic, which needs a lot more attention.  --[[User:Amble|Amble]] ([[User talk:Amble|talk]]) 19:22, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

:I realize you think so, but when you and a reliable source disagree, well, the reliable source wins. Please find a reliable source to back your claims. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

:Eh, that came off kind of terse... [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

== edit summaries ==

Hey, don't forget to include [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mortgage-backed_security&diff=prev&oldid=369453727 edit summaries]. [[User:O18|0<sup>18</sup>]] ([[User talk:O18|talk]]) 23:36, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

== Iraqi parliamentary election, 2010 ==

nice accomodative edit, feel free to add a "post-election controversy" if you want to. (it seems you wanted to put fraud under controversies)[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 13:38, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

:Not necessary as of yet; it would be the only subsection, and that is uncommon for that topic. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 07:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== Proposal to delete Federal taxation in the United States ==

I have tagged the article [[Federal taxation in the United States]] as proposed for deletion.  Your prior discussions with [[User:Morphh]] indicate that most of the article was copied from [[Taxation in the United States]].  While I agree that the topic is of sufficient length and notability that it could be a separate article, I believe the needs of the community are better served with a single article.  Further, trying to maintain two high level articles, one of which is merely a subset of the other, will impose too great an editing burden and lead to many errors and contradictions.  I believe the Federal taxation article should be no more than a redirect to [[Taxation in the United States]].  I have proposed that the [[WP:Taxation]] group undertake a major overhaul of the Taxation article.  I invite you to help with that effort, which will require lots of help.  Comments welcome on my talk page or the Federal tax article talk page.  Thanks. [[User:Oldtaxguy|Oldtaxguy]] ([[User talk:Oldtaxguy|talk]]) 23:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Hey ==
You've been away from the discussion you started on [[Talk:State of Palestine#Requested rename (move) to Palestine|renaming Palestine]], I think me and Alinor have come to a compromise of Palestine linking to Palestine (disambiguation) but the third man involved in discussions (NightW) refuses to allow any compromise, please give your thoughts on the talk page. thanks, [[User:Passionless|Passionless]] ([[User talk:Passionless|talk]]) 14:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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== January 2011 ==
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:I removed it on purpose. I usually don't, but the article clearly does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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:::I made a suggestion on the article talk p: since this was according to the sources one of a number of very similar cases ruled on simultaneously, it might be better to write an article on the group, though I am not sure how to title it, and make redirects from the individual case names. As a single district court ruling, this one may not be notable on its own.   '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 01:09, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

::::Have at it. I just wanted it off my Sandbox. The article referenced mention some other cases, but I don't think they have made it as far. It seems to be one of the only cases regarding the wiretapping scandal to have made it to a successful judgment. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 01:43, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Government and Executive of Kosovo ==

Ah, I see now. Thanks. The [[Government of Kosovo]] article was confusing me. =p TheArchaeologist [[user_talk:hpelgrift|Say Herro]] 19:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

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Awesome. Thank you. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 17:34, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

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== [[Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act]] ==

damn fine work [[User:Decora|Decora]] ([[User talk:Decora|talk]]) 20:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

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==Bob Black==
The article is an abysmal vanity piece. Agree with comments on discussion page. Will continue with slow-motion repairs, but some help might be handy.[[User:Borgmcklorg|Borgmcklorg]] ([[User talk:Borgmcklorg|talk]]) 11:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

== Thanks . . . ==

. . . for the edit on MBSs. Much easier to follow! -- [[User:Jo3sampl|Jo3sampl]] ([[User talk:Jo3sampl|talk]]) 00:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

And thanks again for "The trust securitizes the pools by issuing mortgage-backed securities". -- [[User:Jo3sampl|Jo3sampl]] ([[User talk:Jo3sampl|talk]]) 18:34, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

== Gun-free school zones act ==

Greetings, Int21h.  Recently you renamed "Gun-Free School Zones Act" to "Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990".  However not long ago there was a discussion which resulted in the opposite decision.  You can see that at [[Talk:Gun-Free School Zones Act#Requested move]].  Check it out.  Based on that, I think it would be best to put the article back the way it was.  (If you reply here I will see what you say.) <span style="font-family:cursive;">— [[User:Mudwater|Mudwater]]<small><sup> ([[User talk:Mudwater|Talk]])</sup></small></span> 09:59, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

:Int21h, now that we've reached a consensus on the naming of the GFSZA article, would you please remove the "1995" from the filename of the ATF letter contained on the page to avoid any confusion. This was something I (mistakenly) put in when I uploaded it. Thanks, [[User:MoonOwl2010|MoonOwl2010]] ([[User talk:MoonOwl2010|talk]]) 14:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

::Yes, I agree. What does <span style="font-family:cursive;">[[User:Mudwater|Mudwater]]</span> say though? [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 17:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

:::He hasn't said anything, please remove the "1995" from the file name of the ATF letter. [[User:MoonOwl2010|MoonOwl2010]] ([[User talk:MoonOwl2010|talk]]) 15:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

:::: Int21h? Are you still reading this? Please rename the ATF letter file on the Gun Free School Zones Act article by removing the "1995" from the file name. [[User:MoonOwl2010|MoonOwl2010]] ([[User talk:MoonOwl2010|talk]]) 18:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

== The [[Official Secrets Act 1989]] ==

Hello. I have reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Official_Secrets_Act_1989&action=historysubmit&diff=438194146&oldid=438193806 this edit] that you made to the article above.

You should not treat a statement that a provision of an Act of Parliament says something as being unsourced unless you have looked at a printed copy of the Act, such as this one [http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/6/section/16 here] (which was linked to in the article), and the printed copy of the Act says something different.

Since there is a vast industry devoted to republishing Acts of Parliament, both in the public and private sector, I have no doubt that the section in question is notable.[[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 17:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. 

I have no problem with putting a summary/introduction/overview at the top of the article. I just don't think that the entire article should be turned into a summary.

My intention was to expand the existing sections of the article and then put a summary at the top ''in addition'' to the detailed information below it.

I also think that any summary should probably be written from scratch, because the original content of this article was somewhat inaccurate and I am still in the process of trying to fix it.[[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 21:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I have made two revisions [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Official_Secrets_Act_1989&action=historysubmit&diff=438669076&oldid=438662930 here] that I think will make you happy. I have inserted two new headings "genaral information" and "specific provisions of this Act" and regrouped the existing sections of the article under them. I am sorry, but until a few minutes ago, I honestly could not understand what you were asking me to do.[[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 01:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

:This is indeed what I was looking for. Excellent. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 01:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

==Extent of the Official Secrets Act 1989==
Thank you for your message. I am afraid that it does not make a great deal of sense to me but I shall try to answer as best as I can.

I think that the effect of section 15(2) is that the Act extends to the United Kingdom, subject to any Order made under section 15(3). I think that certain offences under the Act committed in the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man and the colonies are cognisable as offences under the law of the United Kingdom by section 15(1)(b). I do not think that any of the offences under the Act are cognisable as offences under the law of any of those places (i.e. in the local courts) because the Act does not extend to those places. I think that those places either have their own secrecy laws (I think this is the case in Jersey at least), or the effect of section 16(5) is that section 2 of the [[Official Secrets Act 1911]] is still in force in those places.

I also think that both "extent" and "jurisdiction" are terms of art and that you are misapplying them.

(An Order was made under section 15(3) for the former colony of Hong Kong, but I have not determined if is still in force.)[[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 09:11, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your message.

I think that jurisdiction, in this context, is the ability to try the offence. I think the ability to commit an offence is called "capacity" and I have added that word as a heading by making [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Official_Secrets_Act_1989&action=historysubmit&diff=439928544&oldid=439907842 this edit]. Is that acceptable? [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 11:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, in as much as there is a section heading for significantly related items. I think it should be named something else, as I have never seen "Capacity" used as a section heading in legal articles, but this is a minor issue. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]])

::"Capacity" is used as a cross heading in the 1999 edition of [[Archbold Criminal Pleading, Evidence and Practice]] at para 18-12 (which relates to the capacity of a person to aid and abet a crime they cannot commit as a principal) and, IIRC, as the title of a chapter in the twelf edition of the textbook "Card, Cross and Jones Criminal Law" (which, IIRC, contains, in particular, a discussion of the capacity for crime of children, insane persons and corporations). [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 12:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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== Kosovo and control ==

Well, I am not that knowledgeable of the situation to have a distinct opinion but I can agree with you on many accounts. The only thing I tend to disagree is the assertion that Serbian civilian institutions are in control of Northern Kosovo. Here I take that Serbian civilian institutions means civilian institutions of Republic of Serbia. --[[User:Biblbroks|biblbroks]][[User talk:Biblbroks|<span style="font-size:.7em"> (talk)</span>]] 21:27, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

:Well, my guess is that no, Serbian officials do not officiate, but that things are conducted in the name of Serbia, not the name of the Republic of Kosovo or EULEX. For example, I think there are elected Serbian officials operating in the area. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

::I am not denying that. I am just wondering do those Serbian officials have real control. Or are there/they instead some Northern Kosovo officials who have more control? --[[User:Biblbroks|biblbroks]][[User talk:Biblbroks|<span style="font-size:.7em"> (talk)</span>]] 14:53, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

:::The Republic police are not recognized as such, and were violently confronted when they tried to assert control, then left; EULEX manages policing AFAIK. Serbian elections are held there, and I would assume run local municipal government structures to the extent that Republic officials run local municipal government structures in the rest of the area. I will see if I can find info. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 17:41, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

::::But even if it is so that doesn't mean that Republic of Serbia has control over those "government structures". Consider only the recent border crossing issues. --[[User:Biblbroks|biblbroks]][[User talk:Biblbroks|<span style="font-size:.7em"> (talk)</span>]] 17:49, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

:::::On that point I must disagree. They are elected officials, elected in the name of Serbia, under the Serbian law of a Serbian government, and operate thereunder. Control by these officials would imply control by Serbia. The only question in my mind is whether or not these (local Serbian) officials actually have control. <s>The border crossings are ''all'' controlled by EULEX, from what the EULEX officials are saying.</s> I heard a EULEX official say that EULEX officers man all border crossings, so the spat is probably about the presence or involvement of Republic officials. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 17:58, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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== [[English defamation law]] ==

Hello. I have noticed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=English_defamation_law&curid=15276902&diff=485240672&oldid=481872005 this edit] that you made to the above article. What is the source of the name "Slanderous Reports Act 1275"? I am not aware of a short title having been given to that chapter and the article [[Statute of Westminster 1275]] does not say what the source is either. [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 09:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

:This is the short title given to it on the Wikisource page; I have no reliable sources giving any of these short titles. The long titles are from a book titled "The Statutes at Large from the Magna Carta to the End of the Last Parliament, 1761", volume 1, by Owen Ruffhead, published around 1763. I have edited that article to remove the unconfirmed short title. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

== MBS -- if you have a moment ==

The mortgage-backed securities article contains this text:
:If the lovina acquired a pool at a premium (>100), as is common for higher coupons then they are at risk for prepayment. If the purchase price was 105, the investor loses 5 cents for every dollar that's prepaid, possibly significantly decreasing the yield. This is likely to happen as holders of higher-coupon MBS have good incentive to refinance.
I tried to look up "lovina" -- no joy -- and then found that someody had already asked about the word on the talk page. Could you clarify or correct the article? -- Thanks -- [[User:Jo3sampl|Jo3sampl]] ([[User talk:Jo3sampl|talk]]) 00:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

:I have ignored those sections. They are holdovers from the poorly written version before I had a go at it. They discuss MBS-specific pricing theory; coupon rates, yield, etc. Many of the examples are likely OR, but may have use for someone who is familiar with the area, so I, as a rule, do not challenge it. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:39, 30 July 2012 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 17:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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==Palestinian National Authority==
There's a disupte at [[Talk%3APalestinian_National_Authority#Organization_or_Place.3F]] and [[Talk%3APalestinian_National_Authority#Palestinian_Authority_-_an_organization_.28government.29_or_a_geopolitical_entity.3F]] to weather the PNA is a government like the [[Government of Hong Kong]] and the [[Kurdistan Regional Government]], or a [[wikt:geopolitical entity|geopolitical entity]] like [[Hong Kong]] and [[Iraqi Kurdistan]]. I'm telling you this because you seamed to express an opinion on this at [[Talk%3APalestinian_National_Authority#Economy_and_demographics_belong_in_State_of_Palestine]]. [[User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|Emmette Hernandez Coleman]] ([[User talk:Emmette Hernandez Coleman|talk]]) 06:35, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

== [[State of Palestine#Demographics]] ==

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== Counties in California ==

Hello, and thanks for all your recent work on California county governments. These are excellent articles. I just have one problem, which is the wording of the opening paragraph about the relationship between county and city governments. You are using this description: <blockquote>Much of the Government of California is in practice the responsibility of county governments, while the governments of incorporated municipalities such as the city of Stockton and the city of Tracy provide additional, often non-essential services. The county government provides countywide services such as elections and voter registration, law enforcement, jails, vital records, property records, tax collection, and public health. In addition it is the local government for all unincorporated areas, and provides services such as law enforcement to some incorporated cities under a contract arrangement.</blockquote>

I don't think it's accurate to describe the services provided by cities as "additional" or as "often non-essential". The cities provide things like law enforcement and public safety, as well as libraries, parks and recreation, planning and zoning, utilities, trash collection, etc. These are hardly "non-essential" services. Before I saw that you were using the same wording in many articles, I changed the wording in the San Diego County article. I replaced those three sentences with <blockquote>Much of the Government of California is in practice the responsibility of county governments such as the Government of San Diego County. The County government provides countywide services such as elections and voter registration, law enforcement, jails, vital records, property records, tax collection, public health, and social services. In addition the County serves as the local government for all unincorporated areas. Some chartered municipalities such as the city of San Diego and the city of Chula Vista provide their own law enforcement, public safety, libraries, parks and recreation, zoning, and similar services. Other incorporated cities have some or all of these services provided by the County under a contract arrangement.</blockquote>

Let's agree between ourselves how to word the San Diego County article, and then use similar wording in all the articles. Is that OK with you? Thanks. --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 04:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:P.S. Now that I reread it I think we should drop "law enforcement" from the County responsibilities. The County provides law enforcement only in unincorporated areas. --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 04:04, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
::I don't think that's a correct analysis and solution. Sheriffs have jurisdiction countywide, while peace officers (police officers in general) have statewide jurisdiction for police duties. As deputies of an elected county government official (the Sheriff), they have responsibilities to the citizens of the county, including those who voted for him that may be in an incorporated city. As I understand it, they just pass the buck in those areas for any reason possible for operational and budgetary issues, but they still ''can''. Many things like foreclosing your house are done by the Sheriff, not police, even if its in the city. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 04:26, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:::You're saying that the county is responsible for police services unless they choose to pass the buck to the cities? I don't think that's correct. I think police services are one of the responsibilities of a chartered city, which they can contract out to the county. The Orange County website says that explicitly: "Many cities in Orange County have their own police department; however, others choose to contract law enforcement services with the County."[http://egov.ocgov.com/ocgov/Law/Law%20Enforcement,%20Fire%20&%20Public%20Safety/Police%20Departments] --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 15:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

:Yes, of course change it. It probably propagated from information from the original sources. I think those analytic introduction sentences without referrences are obvious candidates for copyediting. (IOW go ahead I am not attached to any material I added that wasn't referrenced; if it was referrenced, that's different.)

:As for my reasoning, in short: because counties already can, and often do, provide them countywide. I justify it as cities are merely corporations, albeit with governmental powers, while counties are actually actually government entities that California only refers to as "subdivisions". Pursuant to this configuration, as i understand it, cities (like many special districts) can create Police Departments within their jurisdiction, but the county was already providing that service, this service is merely overriden or supplemented. (Since all land must be part of a county, and all counties must have Sheriffs.) Those other services you mentioned are also provided by the county and various special districts, as can be seen in any unincorporated area in any county in California. Some counties provide services commenserate with cities, like garbage collection, while others don't. And cities can overrule the county in some situations, others it can't.. But the main argument is that those services already were, or at least could have been, provided by the county.

:These are early versions. Each county and city relationship may be unique; I really don't know the law. But I felt something needs to said relating the overlapping levels of government. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 04:26, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

::I agree something needs to be said about this subject. I'll see if I can find something in California law that spells out the responsibilities of a county vs. the responsibilities of a chartered city (chartered cities are also a creation of the state). Thanks for your willingness to talk about this. --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 15:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Here's some info about law enforcement: According to this [http://www.westerncity.com/Western-City/January-2008/The-Origins-of-California-City-Powers/], policing is specifically the responsibility of the cities, per California's constitution. "The 1879 Constitution has two significant aspects. First, it gave affirmative grants of authority to cities, including the police and charter city powers, which remain in place today. The police power allows cities to make and enforce all local, police, sanitary and other regulations not in conflict with state law." --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 16:35, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
::::No, they ''both'' have police powers. Because cities do does not mean the Sheriffs don't anymore. [http://oag.ca.gov/system/files/opinions/pdfs/97-1006.pdf Opinion No. 97-1006] of the California Attorney General: "The jurisdiction of a sheriff to investigate crimes extends throughout the county, including incorporated cities. (8 Ops.Cal.Atty.Gen. 149, 150-151 (1946).) The fact that a sheriff has concurrent jurisdiction with a city police chief within the boundaries of a city does not diminish the authority of the sheriff. (People v. Scott (1968) 259 Cal.App.2d 268, 280; 8 Ops.Cal.Atty.Gen., supra, 150.)" There is alot of info in that link, I will probably use it as ref. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:33, 26 December 2012 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:39, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

:And your proposed solution to add this text to all county articles runs up against some problems. First, what services a city provides in addition or in lieu of the county is variable; unlike a county, they have full control over their structure and don't have to create for example a police force, as is obviously the case in these "law enforcement contract cities". And what of those cities, for example in Los Angeles County, that may not provide library, parks and recreation, or zoning functions? (Instead, in many cases, leaving these service to special districts.) As I understand, there is no law that says cities must have those services; less like a county with those services I listed, which the California Statutes and Constitution mandates they have, called "local mandates". [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 00:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Without getting too deep into the weeds, I think we could use a generic comment like this for most California counties - with or without names of specific cities as examples:<blockquote>Much of the Government of California is in practice the responsibility of county governments, such as the Government of (name of county). The County government provides countywide services such as elections and voter registration, some law enforcement functions, jails, vital records, property records, tax collection, public health, and social services. In addition the County serves as the local government for all unincorporated areas. Some chartered municipalities such as (example) and (example) provide their own police, public safety, libraries, parks and recreation, zoning, and similar services. Other cities such as (example) and (example) arrange to have the County provide some or all of these services on a contract basis.</blockquote>

Would something like this work, or what wording would you suggest? --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 01:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

:Literally the only wrong is we have to analyze each of those example cities to see what services they provide. I have just been picking the largest by population or area, and otherwise notable cities, because such a procedure is fast and does not block. We may not really know what services each example city provides, so as we get into smaller counties with city governments that are not well understood, it will be a block to submission of a stub article. This block is significant over many articles. I think leaving the city services unspecified but exemplified unless the services provided is known:<blockquote>Much of the Government of California is in practice the responsibility of county governments, such as the Government of (name of county). The County government provides countywide services such as elections and voter registration, law enforcement, jails, vital records, property records, tax collection, libraries, public health, and social services. In addition the County serves as the local government for all unincorporated areas. Some chartered municipalities such as (example) and (example) provide services such as police, public safety, libraries, parks and recreation, zoning. Other cities such as (example) and (example) arrange to have the County provide some or all of these services on a contract basis.</blockquote>

:And, in my opinion, the sheriff provides ''most'' law enforcement services, but the "most" should be left out of the introduction so if details come to light about how important or significant they are the introduction doesn't need to be haggled over. The word "functions" is superfluous. So really, yes, what you said, but without qualifying which law enforcement functions, and using "provide services such as" instead of "provide", and pretty close to what I originally had.

:As I see it, the only difference between your edits and mine is that
:* you suppose county-provided law enforcement is somehow diminished in cities, or does not provide fundamental law enforcement, which isn't true for every county. if its actually true, then OK. But its less likely than the default: that the "jurisdiction of a sheriff to investigate crimes extends throughout the county"
:* you suppose what services are provided is a known fact for each example city government

:The first I just disagree with and think should be left to those articles, and the second is a "go ahead -- if you know". [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 02:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

OK, I think we're in agreement. The "examples" can simply be omitted (and probably should be) for smaller counties or other cases where it isn't obvious or worthwhile to find examples to cite. I think we might add the modifier "municipal" to the type of services cities provide. If that's OK let's go with it: <blockquote>Much of the Government of California is in practice the responsibility of county governments, such as the Government of (name of county). The County government provides countywide services such as elections and voter registration, law enforcement, jails, vital records, property records, tax collection, public health, and social services. In addition the County serves as the local government for all unincorporated areas. Some chartered cities such as (example) and (example) provide municipal services such as police, public safety, libraries, parks and recreation, and zoning. Other cities such as (example) and (example) arrange to have the County provide some or all of these services on a contract basis.</blockquote>

Are we good? Thanks for working this out! --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 03:49, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

:Yes. :) Your welcome! [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 03:53, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

== Apology ==

My extreme apologies go out to you, and those affected by my investigation. I know my words can say nothing for about the 3 weeks you have been blocked, but my sincere apologies. Another CheckUser pointed out to me today that the technical information for Tor is generally spoofed, making it appear like everyone editing off of Wikipedia was using the exact same technical information. There was also a long term sockpuppet that was using some of the IPs that you edited off, and that's why I had issued the block, because it appeared that you were editing in conjunction with that user. My words, I know can't say enough to make up for the time, and I'm genuinely speechless with this revealed to me, because I made such a big mistake. I will understand completely if you are still mad with me after this. If you need anything though, my desk is definitely open to help you. I have also restored your IPBE to you. Sincerely, -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:green;">DQ</span>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</span>]] 12:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

To quote [https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=incompetent&oldid=717731 wiktionary]: {{cquote|'''incompetent'''

#Unskilled, lacking normally expected degree of ability.}}

Can you see where I am going with this? [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 02:34, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
:I personally don't agree with your assessment of my skills, but I understand how you could say that after what has happened. I'm sorry for the inconvenience I caused. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:green;">DQ</span>]] [[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:blue;">(ʞlɐʇ)</span>]] 11:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

== Improper edit summary. ==

I have removed the edit summary you have used while editing your user page just now.  Threats of harm, even when not intended to be serious, are a serious matter and should not appear on Wikipedia.  &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]</sup> 23:39, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

:[[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee#I_demand_you_all_step_down|Nor should incompetent editors hold administrative privileges.]] If you are implying my edit comment was meant as a threat of harm, you are mistaken, it was not. If it could be construed as such, by all means remove it; the edit comment is just that, a comment on an edit, and is in this case obviously superfluous. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 00:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Bad stuff happens. We are sorry that Wikipedia has problems, and they sometimes affect good people. However, when a problem occurs, it is best to be calm and to ''ask'' what happened, and whether similar things have occurred before, and what can be done to rectify the situation. We do not remove good admins who perform very many very difficult and thankless tasks due to a couple of isolated blunders. Wikipedia would be swimming in muck if the admins and checkusers were not available. Perhaps we will get perfect people in due course, but in the meantime we have to tolerate occasional problems. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 02:41, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

:I did ask. Only now, after I have called for their resignation, do they bother to answer. I guess they thought they could sweep me under the rug like they have everyone else. Oops. ''Mistakes, mistakes everywhere.'' This is not a permanent removal. (I do not think they should be banned.) They should step down and run again. With all the ''prior discussion'' that comes with it. And I am sure there are many other qualified Wikipedians that can do the job, all Wikipedians are not incompetent, you know. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 02:49, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

== Advice ==

I'm fairly certain we've not interacted before so here's some advice.  Calling for the heads of ArbCom and administrators because a few checkusers made a mistake when blocking you is a very significant overreaction.  It would be like calling for the President of the United states to step down because a bureaucrat in the FCC messed up filling in a form.  My advice to you is to step away for a day or two and consider the fact that you've been apologized to and multiple editors in good standing have suggested that you move on from this complaint. [[User:Hasteur|Hasteur]] ([[User talk:Hasteur|talk]]) 03:05, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

: Or it would be like calling for the President to step down because the Attorney General "mistakenly" imprisoned someone for life, without so much as a trial, and he didn't as much as even reprimand them. (''So sorry. Here's your life back.'') Significant overreaction? It really depends on your view I guess. I obviously don't think its overreacting. Someone must be held responsible, and we don't vote for the Attorney General. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 03:10, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

:And even the ''President'' stands for re-election every once in a while. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 03:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

:but if people like DeltaQuad, who generate virtually no content, stopped their sock/witch hunts, how else would they contribute to wikipedia? talentless people need to contribute, too, and if a few innocent editors get trampled during the hunt, that's just the price they have to pay. [[Special:Contributions/174.141.213.63|174.141.213.63]] ([[User talk:174.141.213.63|talk]]) 03:36, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

::If you would like a place where you can comment on your treatment (and the sad state of Wikipedia governance in general), come by and warm your hands [http://wikipediocracy.com/forum here]. It can be a bit rough, but no-one from here can touch you there.<span style="color:red;">&rarr;</span>'''''[[User:Stanistani|<span style="color:green;">Stani</span>]][[User talk:Stanistani|<span style="color:blue;">Stani</span>&nbsp;]]''''' 03:59, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

:::Unfortunately, you can be touched anywhere. In the confessional or on wikipediocracy.com. There just is no comparison to the Wikimedia projects IMO. The discussion about the future of the projects must take place here, at the very minimum, against all those like DeltaQuad who seek to eliminate his foes in one mighty swing to which there is little defense. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 04:09, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

::::I wish you well, and hope you can make headway.<span style="color:red;">&rarr;</span>'''''[[User:Stanistani|<span style="color:green;">Stani</span>]][[User talk:Stanistani|<span style="color:blue;">Stani</span>&nbsp;]]''''' 06:12, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

*You have been here longer than I, and have been a significant contributor indeed. I understand your rage at your treatment, both initial and subsequent. However, I respectfully also suggest you step away for at least 48 hours. Never edit while angry... and I cheerfully admit I am still trying to learn how to take my own advice. With best wishes, [[User:Jusdafax|<span style="color:green;">Jus</span>]][[User talk:Jusdafax|<span style="color:#C1118C;">da</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jusdafax|<span style="color:#0000FF;">fax</span>]]  08:16, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

::My rage is over, for the time being, but I reserve the right to return to my rage at any moment--without warning--should I, and I alone, deem it necessary. As to the "48 hours", I hope you understand there have been numerous "48 hours" in the last couple months, enough to go around plenty times over. But in any event thank for your attention. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 20:31, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

==RE:Judiciary of Puerto Rico==
I am not sure how my name got into the PR wikiproject list of those with expertise on the judiciarty of PR: I am certainly not an expert in that area. I looked at your article and it looks great, but I am not qualified to judge its contents, as I don't have a complete picture of what courts has jurisdiction over what, etc. I *AM* bilingual, so if there are any (hopefully short) translations you want me to do or to review for you, I can help you in that area. The article does need sources. If I knew where to go for them I would help, but again I only have a spotty (layman's) knowledge of the PR judicary system. Feel free to contact me with any follow-ups. Regards, [[User:Mercy11|Mercy11]] ([[User talk:Mercy11|talk]]) 15:36, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

== Good luck! ==

Good luck in your quest. Many wikipedians are absolutely paranoid about socks. By the way are you aware about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:!! this user's case]? It was very similar to yours. The admin who blocked him was forced to resign. [[Special:Contributions/71.198.250.115|71.198.250.115]] ([[User talk:71.198.250.115|talk]]) 15:56, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

:Hrm. I shall look into it. Apparently, as I suspected, this is only the tip of the iceberg. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 20:32, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
::Hi Int21h. Sorry for the troubles you've had to endure here at Wikpedia. You are correct that this is only the tip of the iceberg. I have been trying to bring attention to the problem for many years Both [[Wikipedia talk:Editor engagement experiments#Suggestion: Unblock invalid rangeblocks]] as well as [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Editor Retention/Archive 2#Guess how many IPs are blocked]] are a couple of recent examples. Unfortunately my pleas fall on deaf ears, but I keep trying. I encourage you to keep fighting for what you believe is a right and just solution and hope you are successful. Your efforts are crucial to the health of the project, which has been having problems with editor retention for many years. Kind regards. [[Special:Contributions/64.40.54.247|64.40.54.247]] ([[User talk:64.40.54.247|talk]]) 22:10, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

== Started DR with DeltaQuad ==

Hello, just to let you know that I have started the DR process with DeltaQuad in relation to the wrongful block of you for sockpuppetry [[User_talk:DeltaQuad#Int21h_block_for_sockpuppetry|here]]. I would urge you refrain from hyperbole if you decide to participate. Very formal, civil, language is the only hope for taking this matter further. I may ask you to co-sponsor an RfC/U in the future if necessary. --[[User:Surturz|Surturz]] ([[User talk:Surturz|talk]]) 00:11, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
:DeltaQuad has closed the thread, indicating that he will not continue further talk page discussion on the matter. Audit Subcommittee seems to be the next step. I'll need to ask you a few questions if you want me to prepare a submission. --[[User:Surturz|Surturz]] ([[User talk:Surturz|talk]]) 13:12, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
::I worked out what I needed to know from your interactions on DQ's talkpage. I have submitted the complaint to [[WP:AUSC]], the text of which is here: [[User:Surturz/DQAUSC]]. --[[User:Surturz|Surturz]] ([[User talk:Surturz|talk]]) 14:19, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
HI. [[WP:AUSC]] have come back with their decision on my complaint against DeltaQuad's block of you: see [[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Audit_Subcommittee/Reports#DeltaQuad_and_Int2h|(this link)]]. Let me know when you've read it - I'd like to discuss it with you, but I don't want to prejudice your reading of it, so I'll comment on it after you've read it. --[[User:Surturz|Surturz]] ([[User talk:Surturz|talk]]) 03:31, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, let me summarize, with only information of pertinence and with the "fluff" taken out.

{{quote|On 4 March 2013, the Audit Subcommittee received a complaint by Surturz against DeltaQuad related to DeltaQuad's use of his checkuser permissions to check and block Int21h. …

Int21h requested the IPBE flag via the unblock-en-l mailing list to edit via Tor and was granted the right on December 27, 2011. DeltaQuad Checkusered Int21h on December 27, 2012.

Based on our review of all materials available to us, DeltaQuad had a reasonable basis in fact to Checkuser Int21h and we have found no evidence that DeltaQuad did so in bad faith.

DeltaQuad blocked Int21h on December 28, 2012 with the block log reason of <nowiki>"{{tlx|checkuserblock-account}}"</nowiki>. … Other Checkusers concurred in the actions DeltaQuad took. It was determined at a later date that DeltaQuad's block of Int21h was erroneous as a result of unknown information concerning the manner in which Tor and programs associated with Tor process certain technical information. DeltaQuad unblocked Int21h on January 19, 2013 and apologized for having made the block.

Based on our review of all materials, DeltaQuad made a reasonable investigation to obtain relevant facts to support a block of Int21h. DeltaQuad further acted reasonably in blocking Int21h as a result of the facts that were available to him at the time. While there were facts unknown to DeltaQuad that resulted in the block being invalidated, DeltaQuad did not err in failing to obtain extraordinary information beyond the knowledge of the average Checkuser in forming the basis for the block.

Based on our review of all materials, DeltaQuad made a reasonable investigation to obtain relevant facts to support a block of Int21h. DeltaQuad further acted reasonably in blocking Int21h as a result of the facts that were available to him at the time. While there were facts unknown to DeltaQuad that resulted in the block being invalidated, DeltaQuad did not err in failing to obtain extraordinary information beyond the knowledge of the average Checkuser in forming the basis for the block. …

DeltaQuad left notice on Int21h's talk page regarding the block. We find DeltaQuad satisfied his duty to provide notice to Int21h and other users as to the relevant terms of the block through his use of the
<nowiki>{{tlx|checkuserblock-account}}</nowiki> template in the block log and via the talk page notice. …

Int21h attempted to appeal the block to a mailing list and via an obscene message on his user talk page on December 31, 2012. Int21h refused to communicate with DeltaQuad via email. MaxSem summarily denied the on-wiki block appeal on December 31, 2012. DeltaQuad was not active on the English Wikipedia while the block appeal was pending on Int21h's talk page. Int21h failed to re-file the unblock request on-wiki or to contact DeltaQuad via email. …

However, DeltaQuad did not breach his duty under [[WP:ADMINACCT]] as he was not active when the block appeal was made and rejected, nor was he contacted by the blocked user to contest the block via another means. DeltaQuad's failure to intiate communication in response Int21h's terminated obscene block appeal was not an abusive error or misconduct.

We conclude that DeltaQuad acted reasonably in Checkusering and blocking Int21h. Even though the block was subsequently invalidated, DeltaQuad's block was appropriately made based on a reasonable interpretation of the evidence available at the time. DeltaQuad failed to promptly respond to Int21h's rejected obscene block appeal. DeltaQuad's failure was not the result of abuse, misconduct or indicative of incompetence in holding Checkuser status. Therefore, the AUSC has completed its investigation and is submitting this report to the Arbitration Committee with a recommendation that no further action be taken.}}

End quote. So yeah, there are some lessons to be gleaned from this. The comments "there were facts unknown to DeltaQuad" and "extraordinary information" stand out. Pretty much says to me incompetence is OK and it is up to the blocked User to make said incompetence obvious. Its pretty much repeated over and over.

Unsurprising. Hence, my go at ArbCom. They will find any excuse, I knew that from the start. I did not start this with the intent of giving some easy compromise to let them save face. The statement "extraordinary information beyond the knowledge of the average Checkuser" just adds fuel to my fire to get ArbCom disbanded. As I have said repeatedly, I am the only one to have made his incompetence too obvious to refute. All this does is say that average CheckUsers are incompetent, so its OK. '''What I did was not extraordinary.''' I correctly guessed, AFAIK, the information they relied on. ''Guessed''. They say they came to their senses all their own. As if I could have just said "you are wrong" and they would have determined this stuff all their own. The only question in my mind is if they are lying to me or lying to themselves.

{{quote|RFC 2616 ... 14.43 User-Agent ...  This is for statistical purposes, the tracing of protocol violations, and automated recognition of user agents for the sake of tailoring responses to avoid particular user agent limitations. User agents SHOULD include this field with requests.}}

Not "MUST" but "SHOULD". Obviously, I don't like others' statistical purposes. They ignored the User-Agent header's purpose; it is not "for the sake of" tracking users. That is incompetence. You know what my User-Agent says? The most common User-Agent string possible, but a ''valid'' User-Agent nonetheless. That is not a violation of protocol, it is safe browsing practice. I didn't even do it; the programmer that made it did. And they want to turn it into a giant deceit that caused their incompetence.

And, of course, you won't find something (evidence) if you don't look for it. Outrageous. The question really is, how many banned users fell trap to DeltaQuad's "mistakes"? Or do they all get the same response I got: appeal denied. (That's rhetorical. We know now all their appeals were denied given this is the first time this has supposedly happened.) They obviously don't care. What is "evidence" of bad faith? They obviously refuse to accept "competence" as a requirement to holding the position, so one can always feign incompetence, as happened (IMO) here after much wrangling.

Yes, of course give your opinion, and thank you. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 04:31, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

And also, may I say your complaint describes the situation beautifully. Thank you. I do not believe the points you raised were even addressed in full. Particularly about how correlation is not causation vis-a-vis my account. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 04:41, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
:I think my reading of the decision is the same as yours, in summary "DeltaQuad did absolutely nothing wrong". I was astonished that they did not make a single recommendation on how to avoid the situation in the future. I agree with you that they did not really address the central error: that there was absolutely no publicly available evidence that you were socking - how does an innocent party refute secret evidence? I'm not sure if you want to drop this or continue. I feel there are few main avenues to continue if that is what you want:
:# Stay with community self-regulation and raise a policy RfC to change the CheckUser policy so that for positive CheckUser determinations, the CheckUser must provide some minimum level of publicly available evidence e.g. the name of at least one other (allegedly) related account.
:# Make a complaint to the Wikimedia foundation (WMF) ombudsman. This is a bit fraught because WMF is not as accountable to the editor community - at least we have elections for ArbCom. OTOH the Ombudsman is the precisely for the situation when self-regulation fails.
:# 
:By the way, I mentioned your case in my submissions to the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Audit_Subcommittee/2013_appointments|2013 AUSC appointments discussion]], hope that's okay. --[[User:Surturz|Surturz]] ([[User talk:Surturz|talk]]) 06:59, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

::I hope its OK too! ;) But seriously I do not nave a solution unfortunately. I really just came across the subject of the very real world issue of administration and governance recently. Until then I just edited in ignorance of the very serious issues being explored here. I am really just hoping the comments and wikileaks keep pouring in, so at the very least the "edge cases" can be better understood, and I can get a better understanding of the government of the projects. The scope of my review is expanding rapidly, and every "small" issue like this can, as we are seeing, be quite difficult. I just don't know. If anything I want more discussion and input.

::My first impression of the WMF staff has been that they are getting that walled garden mentality. Where they are just so burdened that they start getting very overwelmed to the point where they have an information overload and start relying on others for the "solutions", those with more expertise and familiarity, leading to a static "decision path" where their decisions tend to be conservative. They tend to just ignore, or worse ''reject'', problems without solutions. It is very political. Politicians in D.C can't even go to the liquor store without this huge motorcade with guys hanging out SUVs with machine guns. Needless to say, they never bother doing anything informal or meet people outside their sphere of influence, and like I said develope quite static worldviews, ''Washington D.C. worldviews''. The WMF staff's sphere of influence are the administrators and other Wikipedia Big Whigs. Any move will necessarily be political.

::And the problem very well might be architectural or a policy issue, in which case the "not my purview" factor comes in, especially vis-a-vis the Ombudsman. Remember, any excuse will do. The Ombudsman is unlikely to buck any trend without irrefutable evidence, which is just not here. "Extraordinaory" is a key word. So like I said I just don't know. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 04:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

== Comment on blocks ==

Hi Int21h. Just now saw {{diff|User:Int21h|541573304|541318650|your comment}} on your userpage. I went through all the same things as you, when it happend to me in 2007. When the block was finally lifted—two and a half years later—I went through the same things again. Both times I started digging, finding all the bad blocks, and preparing a report so that something could be done. Unfortunately, the community never listens when it's a single voice, even if they are pointing out multiple problems. It ended up being very frustrating in the end. I think the only solution is to have multiple voices presenting the problems to the community. I can give you TONS of links, but I don't think it will do any good unless there are many voices saying something needs to change. Please don't read this as being discouraging—because something needs to be done—but I wanted you to know what is likely to happen. We do need to stop the bad blocks for the health of the project, but it is an enormous task to get it fixed. My suggestion would be to organize people before spending time on a report. The people at [[WT:WER]] and [[WT:Teahouse]] are likely to be the most understanding. Kind regards. [[Special:Contributions/64.40.54.192|64.40.54.192]] ([[User talk:64.40.54.192|talk]]) 01:47, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
:I'm willing to look over and comment on whatever you compile.  I have been editing Wikipedia fairly heavily for about seven years and have had my own run-ins with Wikipedia's administration, so I would be willing to provide some input. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 23:53, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
*Hi again, Int21h, I just posted a dozen examples of bad blocks at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Restrict rangeblocks to CheckUsers]] in case you're still looking in to this. Best regards. [[Special:Contributions/64.40.54.79|64.40.54.79]] ([[User talk:64.40.54.79|talk]]) 05:13, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

== AdminWatch ==

Sorry I don't have a copy of the page any more. You'd laugh if you saw it, it was a picture of a lantern and about five diffs of dodgy admin actions with some snide commentary from me. Yet it produced (I think) the second largest [[WP:MfD]] discussion in Wikipedia history (according to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-10-17/News_and_notes|Wikipedia Signpost]], anyway). I did learn a lot about [[WP:MFD]] and [[WP:DRV]] though.<BR/>There really is no joy or success in trying to change Wikipedia's processes. The best you can do is submit the admins to scrutiny via [[WP:ADMINACCT]] and [[WP:DR]], but you really need to do your homework: thoroughly read the relevant policies, keep all your diffs and notes offsite, check and re-check any statement of fact, etc. At the end of the day, even if you do manage to get a bad admin desysopped, there is no reward: no-one is going to give you a barnstar for it, and for all you know that bad admin was going to quit next week anyway because he's got a new girlfriend.<BR/>You'd be much better off going back to working on content, getting a few articles to [[WP:FA]] status, then spending some time at [[WP:AFD]] and [[WP:RFA]], and becoming an admin yourself. --[[User:Surturz|Surturz]] ([[User talk:Surturz|talk]]) 01:38, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

:OK. As soon as I have time I will call for it to be undeleted and restored, or at least re-exposed to the community. Is this OK with you? The material may or may not be of use, but I plain disagree that any sort of review (by a user on their user pages) is review-able content-wise for not making arguments that are recognized by others. This may require changes in policy; this may require changes in ArbCom; it may require such pages to be moved onto Meta to remove policy cruft/wikilawyering excuses. They simply erred on that decision in multiple aspects.

:And there is always this question about what to do next, which subject is more important, etc. One of my internal criteria is a topic or subject's "connectedness"--that is, how much the subject affects other subjects, whether its understanding is a barrier to understanding other subjects, and whether it is integral to understand current events... This topic happens to affect almost everything on Wikipedia, and apparently the ability to edit on other projects as well, so it will get my highest priority. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 01:59, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
::I'd really rather you didn't try to resurrect the AdminWatch page. Like I said before, there was actually very little content on the page, and it would be stale now. You'd also be wasting your time: it's already been deleted at [[WP:MfD]] twice, there would be zero chance of another [[WP:DRV]] succeeding. The [[Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2011_August_3|original DRV]] only succeeded because there were two incorrect speedies ([[WP:CSD#G10]] and [[WP:CSD#G4]]), the subsequent MfD still deleted the page, so it was just a huge waste of time for everyone. BTW, the [[WP:AUSC|CheckUser/Oversight audit subcommittee]] has acknowledged receipt of my complaint about DQ's block of you. Should hear an answer within three weeks apparently. I'm currently reviewing CheckUser admin action logs to see if there are any other similar wrongful blocks. I'm guessing [[User:DoRD]] was one of the three CheckUsers who signed off on your block (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee&diff=541742445&oldid=prev]), so I've been looking at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=DoRD&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_review_log=1 his admin actions log] and asked him a question <u>[[User_talk:DoRD#CheckUser_query|here]]</u>. When you see how many accounts the CheckUsers block on a daily basis, it's easy to see why they don't think blocking you for three weeks was a big deal. It was just one bad block out of a hundred or more good ones as far as they are concerned. --[[User:Surturz|Surturz]] ([[User talk:Surturz|talk]]) 02:52, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

:::OK, your page, your choice. I actually don't consider it a waste of time at this point. It is likely that from that discussion it will be easier to make an argument that there is an abuse of privilege and discretion at a fundamental level in the administrative adjudication processes, or at a minimum an intolerable level of incompetence, or possibly even malice (its an assumption of good faith, not a fact-by-fiat). And that's not even saying anything about individual users. These things are easiest to see in retaliatory actions, which is what that whole affair looks like, so it is and they are definitely on my radar.

:::As for the actions of individual users, like DQ and his 3 amigos, I asked that he step down, he refused, now I have asked ArbCom, and I expect them to refuse as well. IM(not humble at all)O I think such inaction will just give more weight to the argument that they seek something besides the interests of Wikipedia, and should be removed (should they remain obstinate and refuse to step down.)

:::As for DoRD, I will definitely look into it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Briefly looking over your WP:DRV affair, I actually think we are looking at a fairly small set of Admins wreaking havoc in their quest to ... whatever it is they do (something tells me ''not'' editing Wikipedia articles.) And hence why I actually find your WP:DRV important: a list must be made of what exactly these guys are doing, and that may take quite a while to compile, with considerable technical effort and deletion requests and other adverse Administrator activity trying to thwart it. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:45, 8 March 2013 (UTC)



*[[User:Crazynas/contributions_of_interest|this]] might be of interest to you (the second part, not the first). Regards, [[User: Crazynas|Crazynas]]<sup> [[User_talk:Crazynas|t]]</sup> 14:40, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

== arbcompetence ==

hi. im aware of the problems you faced with admincompetence, and thought you might be interested in arbcom member [[user:hersfold]]'s recent resignation, and [[user:AGK]]'s attempt to bypass consensus on whether to blacklist wikipediocracy. good luck btw. :) [[Special:Contributions/174.141.213.63|174.141.213.63]] ([[User talk:174.141.213.63|talk]]) 22:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

== Fishing ==

I've just questioned a CU performed by DQ which looks like fishing; see [[Wikipedia_talk:CheckUser#Fishing.3F]]. [[Special:Contributions/88.104.27.2|88.104.27.2]] ([[User talk:88.104.27.2|talk]]) 16:19, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

==SFPUC==
Since the SFPUC oversees utility issues in those counties, i added them. however, if its not an active part of the govt of those counties, and only operates from SF, controlling structures in the other counties, not from WITHIN the govt structure of the counties, i can see removing those categories. Im not wedded to this articles categorization, and wouldnt revert edits removing those categories.[[User:Mercurywoodrose|Mercurywoodrose]] ([[User talk:Mercurywoodrose|talk]]) 05:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

:OK. No, I do not think a revert is in order, just a move to the category for the county instead of the county's government. It is done. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:41, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

== Indue sockpuppet template ==

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== Your Statement to Arbcom, as well FYI==

Hi Int21h, you don't know me but I admired that in the face of complete adversity, and I agree not mere incompetence but some amount of malice or at least great arrogance, you stood up to them on 27 Feb. and said "I demand you all step down." I've had a similar experience with the administrators and I believe the system is entirely broken and actually encourages abuse from common types, because there is no accountability. FYI, on my page, after great attempt on my part to cooperate, I reject administrative authority until great reform is undertaken, and I assert my right to cleanstart under WP:CIV. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Colton_Cosmic&oldid=557826963] This is Colton Cosmic.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.211.155.203|66.211.155.203]] ([[User talk:66.211.155.203|talk]]) 13:01, 1 June 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== [[Courts of Alaska]] ==

Please note that [[Courts of Alaska]] is part of a series which transcludes to [[Courts of the United States]], a complete listing of state and federal courts located throughout the United States. Furthermore, it is incorrect to equate "Courts of Alaska" with the [[Judiciary of Alaska]], because courts located in the state include the [[United States District Court for the District of Alaska]], which is not part of the state judiciary. Please make sure that you do not make any changes to [[Courts of Alaska]] unless those changes conform to changes in all pages in the series of courts by state. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold;">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 00:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

:My bad. Sometimes I am too bold. At least now I know who else is active on these pages. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 01:22, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

== Capital punishment in the United Kingdom ==

Thanks, I have replied on the talk page and I am watching the article. [[User:Richard75|Richard75]] ([[User talk:Richard75|talk]]) 18:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

== NSS ==

Hi Int21h, thanks for the reference for NSS 3.15.1. I bumped [[Network Security Services]] but as the Mozilla wiki [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/NSS/NSS_Releases] didn't list it as a stable release, I noted this here [[Talk:Network_Security_Services]]. The ftp server file dates are 2nd July, but the releasenotes page is the 1st July, which is the date I took. If you know (or care!) pls correct considering I changed the Mozilla site too! <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 22:58, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
:Good enough. I indeed did take the ftp server file dates, since the release notes do not give a date and I did not see the "Last updated by" at the bottom. But as you surmised I do not care, as it is a fuzzy dating scheme and it is close enough. The only reason I cared was because of the TLS 1.2 capabilities (downgrade attacks, GCM and CCM authenticated encryption suites), as you can probably tell from my edit. I didn't even know those sites were editable... But I guess Firefox and Wikipedia use the same editing model. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 00:43, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== Help with [[Center for Copyright Information]] article ==

Hi Int21h, I noticed that you recently made a small addition to the '''[[Copyright Alert System]]''' article. I'm currently working on behalf of the '''[[Center for Copyright Information]]''', which, as you probably know, administers the CAS. I've been communicating with a few volunteer editors, especially [[User:Mjb]], to develop on a much-improved draft to replace the current CCI article. I believe that I've addressed most of the feedback I've received, [[Talk:Center_for_Copyright_Information#Expanding_this_article|as detailed on Talk:CCI]], in [[User:ChrisPond/Center_for_Copyright_Information|my most recent userspace draft]]. However, mjb has indicated that they're currently busy, and don't have time to review my revisions. If you have time, do you think you could pop over and take a look, and, if the changes look okay, go ahead and move my draft over into the mainspace? Thanks! [[User:ChrisPond|ChrisPond]] ([[User talk:ChrisPond|Talk]] · [[User:ChrisPond|COI]]) 15:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

:Hello again, just wanted to let you know that another editor took a look at this, so it's now {{done}}, but thanks anyway! Cheers, [[User:ChrisPond|ChrisPond]] ([[User talk:ChrisPond|Talk]] · [[User:ChrisPond|COI]]) 13:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

== WikiProject Report ==

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Freedom of Speech for a ''Signpost'' article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject desk/Interviews2|here are the questions for the interview]]'''. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Hope you have a great day. -[[user:buffbills7701|buff]][[user talk:buffbills7701|bills]][[User:Buffbills7701/Anti-Vandalism Hall Of Fame|7701]]

== TLS hatnote ==

As you are correct to remove the hatnote at Transport Layer Security, I would welcome your input at [[Wikipedia talk:Hatnote#Fixing NAMB]]. Thanks <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 11:12, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

:Wasn't me. 'Twas [[User:Tbhotch|Tbhotch]]. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 14:16, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
::oops, sorry off by one error. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Widefox|Widefox]]</span>; [[User talk:Widefox|talk]]</span> 11:43, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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== Your comment on the CheckUser RfC on Wikidata ==

I have made a reply, and I'm not happy that you seem to be coming over to Wikidata with a POV to push rather than to contribute to the core purpose of this project. In particular, calling the entire Wikidata community, a community built from various projects ''besides'' the English Wikipedia, "ignorant", seemingly based on a human error made here, looks really bad.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 01:16, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

:With respect to my [[d:Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Defining_CheckUser|arguments]], your happiness is secondary to the success of the projects. I believe my account was activated on Wikidata at the same time as yours, so its not as if I'm "coming over" any later than you, although you may be more active than I. (Hint: I have no IPBE on Wikidata, so I cannot edit it.) Pushing a POV is exactly what a request for comments are meant for. It is irrelevant which project the Wikidata community is from, just as it is irrelevant which national community the English Wikipedia editors come from, or which community Americans come from. They're going to have to get used to European-American cultural dominance, and all that entails. Look bad? What is this, high school? Are you trying to tell me I won't get invited to the cool kids' parties if I keep this up? I am not here to look good, I am here to do good work. The rest of my response is on the RfC, but thanks for the heads up, I would likely have not have gotten around to responding for at least a couple days, by which point (social psychology) group conflict dynamics would have dominated and people would be demanding I be taken to the Oak of Justice to answer for my crimes against humanity. (I realize the last part sounds sarcastic given the tone of my response, but I assure you, it is quite an ordeal for me to edit the other projects and my window of opportunity to do so will soon be gone.) [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 08:17, 3 August 2013 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 12:27, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
::When you had just 7 edits as of the time of my post above, other admins I talked to even labelled you as an SPA, since you have no content contributions there whatsoever. Simply put, if you aren't actively engaging in the community, it's questioned whether you really have engaged in the community to a point where you can make effective comments. Wikidata is a serious project like any other, not a "high school party", and I strongly dislike that you're making a conclusion based on the aptly false assumption that every project works like the English Wikipedia. If you need IP block exemption there, you just have to ask.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 17:58, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

:::I do not know what an SPA is. (I will look into it later.) Other admins you have talked to? Again, this feels like a high school argument. You and the people you "talk to" don't want to invite me to the cool kids' parties. I get it. It is irrelevant (classic [[argument from authority|appeal to authority]]). As for the "not actively engaging the community", that makes no sense, but OK. My comment was my engagement. But however you want to rationalize. Again, I have no edits is because 1) Wikidata is only 8 months old and 2) Wikidata does not have a vocabulary, nor an active discussion concerning a vocabulary, that can handle the data I would be interested in contributing (see my [[GeoSPARQL]] article, an article only a few months older than Wikidata) and 3) my IPs are blocked, I do not have an IPBE, and I am not sure the Wikidata administrator community is mature enough to handle IPBE requests responsibly. But again, however you want to rationalize. I have not discussed any other project besides the English Wikipedia and Wikidata, and especially not "every project". (It does matter however, in my opinion, whether the character of Wikidata is going to reflect the open, inclusive and forgiving culture of the English Wikipedia which has made it so successful, or something like the closed, elitist and strict culture of the French and German Wikipedias (which AFAIK relies much on machine translation of the English Wikipedia), which I have a concern is happening. But that is another debate. If you want to have it, I'm down though.) And one does not "just" ask for an IPBE, no more than one simply walks into Mordor. It is minimizing the procedural, evidential, and practical burdens of doing so.

:::{{strikethrough|Saying as y'all are going to pull the data from the Wikipedia article infoboxes I have edited, when I want to add data to Wikidata, I will edit the infobox and let y'all add it, or add the data or script to my Userpage and ask another editor. Not a biggie. I guess that until Wikidata gets a larger and more mature administrator pool that is better able to handle criticism instead of throwing temper tantrums, I will just have to wait it out. Until then, we still have the English Wikipedia to work around these issues. C'est la vie.}}

:::I encourage y'all to stop seeing the malintent in others, and to quit using it as an excuse to hurt them. If y'all seek to punish me for my comments, you should know that while this caused me mild discomfort for a day (I apparently caused more), you will still seek to gratify your desire to punish others for their perceived threats (to Wikidata in this case), and in the end the only thing that will be done is that you will have hurt people. And it will not relieve your discomfort or your fear.

:::You ''may'' have gotten the vibe, but your comments are unmoving. Your attempts at hurting me are weak. And while your notion that one must edit a project within the first 8 months of its creation (Wikidata) or be precluded from involvement in forming its permanent policies (Wikidata's CheckUser policy) is mildly (as in theoretically) reasonable, it is disingenuous. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 18:42, 4 August 2013 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 06:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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:Thank you. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 02:13, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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:: Six years ago, you were recipient no. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious#Int21h|625]] of Precious, a prize of QAI! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 22:25, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Nice job writing [[Law of Mexico]]. Your work on this subject is greatly appreciated! [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]]<small> (</small><big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|<span style="color:darkred">'''☎'''</span>]]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''✎'''</span>]]<small>)</small> 16:08, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
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:*If you're interested, you can submit the article to 'Did you Know'. It will be posted on the Main Page and get several thousand views–more than likely. However, you may want to use more than one source to expand the article. Best, [[User:ComputerJA|ComputerJA]]<small> (</small><big>[[User talk:ComputerJA|<span style="color:darkred">'''☎'''</span>]]</big> • [[Special:Contributions/ComputerJA|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''✎'''</span>]]<small>)</small> 16:10, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

:::Yes, thank you, but I just don't think I can get the article up to snuff in 5 days. The article is a priority of mine, so I hope to significantly expand it in the coming weeks, but good sources are just too hard to come by to get it done in 5 days. We shall see how much I can do by then... [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:31, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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== [[Talk:United States v. Microsoft Corp.#Requested move 2]] ==

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== Judiciary of New York ==

Hello. I noticed that you readded a couple of links [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Judiciary_of_New_York&curid=18743244&diff=587810944&oldid=587375986 here]. I removed them because [[WP:ELPOINTS]] #4 asks us "to avoid separate links to multiple pages in the same website". Since the main website contains these links, why do we need them in the article? [[User:Green Giant|Green Giant]] ([[User talk:Green Giant|talk]]) 01:42, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

:Only 1 of the links is so; I added a separate link to the court opinions because of their importance. The other, the link to the NYSCEFS, is not the same website. On a second look, they appear to be easily located from the main website, so I/we should probably revert. Thank you for the heads up. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 05:36, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

== Government of New York ==

Hi there, I see you've done a lot of edits to the "Government of New York" article, and I'd like your advice.

The article "New York Public Service Commission" has its own article, which appears in a search.  But if you search for "New York ''State'' Public Service Commission", it redirects to the "Government of New York" article.

Also, the "New York State Public Service Commission" isn't listed on the "Government of New York" article as one of the Executive Departments (probably because it's an agency).

I think the fix is just to change the redirect to the "New York Public Service Commission" article, instead of to the "Government of New York" article.

Let me know if you can help or do the fix.  Thanks!  [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 04:39, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

: I have made your suggested redirects.

: Making a list of government departments/agencies for the main government article is not an exact science. Until we can get a reliable source giving a canonical hierarchy of them, we just "wing it". (For example, I only recently got a canonical list for Illinois government departments.) After that, we would push the rest into a list article with all or most departments/agencies that would clutter up the main article... Until then, feel free to add any missing departments/agencies/whatever to the article until everyone knows what's going on.

: The website says "The Department is the staff arm of the Public Service Commission"... I will try and expand the article(s) and get to the bottom of it because of your interest.

: Thank you for bringing it to my attention. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 07:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

::Thank you very much.  Cheers.  [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 12:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

==Law in Mexico==
Hi, Int21h! Yes, I'll translate that page! Best regards from Mexico City! Happy 2014! --[[User:Correogsk|Correogsk or Gustavo]] ([[User talk:Correogsk|Eritrocito or Heme aquí]]) 07:56, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

:Excellent! Thank you. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 08:02, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

== putin ==

someone added that "russia is corrupt becuase of putin" in the putin article intro, that is not so constructive, can you please help me? thanks [[User:Leiroi22|Leiroi22]] ([[User talk:Leiroi22|talk]]) 08:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
:am afraid he will edit war over it [[User:Leiroi22|Leiroi22]] ([[User talk:Leiroi22|talk]]) 08:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

== [[:Template:California topic]] ==

Hi, can you fix this table so that it disambiguates county names? It is currently generating links to the wrong Orange County Sheriff's Department. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold;">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 15:40, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

:Yikes. I'll have to see what the common method is for overrides. I will look into it. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 17:09, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
:: Thanks! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold;">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:14, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
::: Any progress? [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold;">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:40, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
::::I think I've fixed it. [[User:Bazonka|Bazonka]] ([[User talk:Bazonka|talk]]) 20:06, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
::::: That did the trick. After I saved [[San Francisco Sheriff's Department]] with a null edit, the correct link showed up in the template. Thanks! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold;">'''''bd2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']]

== Removal of European Parliament from Template:Regional organizations ==

Hi, if you removed European Parliament from the template based on EP being part of European Union, you must remove also Pan-African Parliament, as its an integral part of the African Union. And the Latin American Parliament, while perhaps not being yet part of CELAC, is applying to be part of it since 2011, so it will probably had to be removed in a near future.--[[User:HCPUNXKID|HCPUNXKID]] ([[User talk:HCPUNXKID|talk]]) 15:40, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

==Invitation to WikiProject Mass surveillance==
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== ''[[Federal Register]]'' collaboration ==

Hi there! I see you are the main (recently) active editor to the [[Federal Register]] article. I wanted to let you know that I am planning on working with staff from the [[Office of the Federal Register]] to improve/expand the article according to Wikipedia norms. I know this is a gray area, but we are planning on choosing to edit articles about the OFR's publications, (i.e., the Federal Register, the Code of Federal Regulations, and the Statutes at Large), but will treat the OFR and [[NARA]] pages themselves as off-limits due to COI. We're trying to be transparent and play by Wikipedia's rules. I also left [[Talk:Federal_Register#National_Archives_staff_collaboration|a lengthier message]] on the article's talk page. I just wanted to give you a heads-up, and ask if you'd have any opinions on how best for them to contribute or if you'd even like to help out with the effort yourself. Thanks! [[User:Dominic|Dominic]]·[[User talk:Dominic|t]] 19:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Dominic}} Excellent, that would be great. Please consider:
:*Organization. Organization is something I pay particular attention to. It will affect flow and readability. It will affect the structure of the introduction. I tend to work my way from the inside out; I try and focus on organization--where I want the article, and future editors, to go--then expand each section accordingly, and then only lastly creating an introduction that properly reflects the body (which is now, hopefully, well sourced.)
:*Sources. You are in a good position to choose particularly exemplary sources given your proximity and professional relationship with the subject. Is the source or author widely known or referenced in any settings? Would a university student or professor use the source in the course of their studies? Does the source give more or better detailed information that may otherwise not be in the article? (E.g., some material may be very POV and best left to further reading from the sources, but is still informative.) Is the source dry and factual or is it illuminating and stimulating? I am particularly bad at giving like 5 alternative sources per sentences when I feel it necessary to give diverse viewpoints, or when each source only covers a sentence partially. (I'm sure many don't like it, but its so easy to remove sources, and even re-add them back later from the history, then it is to add them in the first place.)
:*Be bold. You are making highly visible edits from a highly visible employment position. Please don't let that deter you from doing what needs to be done. It is super easy for us to delete your contributions; its much harder to actually make your contributions in the first place. If possible, make the article epic. Its an important article. You may or may not realize it, and I may be wrong, but your edits here are going to influence the world your grandchildren live in. In a big way.
:*Similar articles. This article does not exist in a vacuum on Wikipedia. Readers should be able to easily compare and contrast with similar subjects, especially with ones they know more about. How are your edits going to influence them? E.g., [[California Regulatory Notice Register]], [[Official Journal of the European Union]], [[Official Journal of the Federation]], [[Canada Gazette]]. If you do well, the decisions you make will have a large effect not only on this article, but others as well. Editors such as myself take hints and cues from similar articles; in other words, we will replicate this work across similar works from other states, foreign and domestic. (Maybe keep the organization generic at first?) Imagine how your organization will jive when it is replicated in these other articles. Imagine what will happen to your material if big reorganizations must take place. I also highly recommend editing similar articles for this very reason: the diversity of knowledge gained from, and resolutions to any conflicts that may arise with, other articles and editors will often be very informative.
:But if you ignore all that, please just keep in mind the influence you have will carry far beyond us and far beyond the articles you edit. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:52, 6 February 2014 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 23:11, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

==Thanks for Georgia and Florida edits==
Thanks for straightening out the Georgia and Florida high level articles. I'm still trying to digest them all, but so far, they look good! [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 20:42, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
: :) Yeah I'm just getting started. Its pretty time-consuming to cleanup these articles, so I just removed the obvious stuff, stuff I think we talked about. I have chosen to focus on the most populous states first, so I haven't really started on those articles yet. In the Government of Georgia article, I think the legislative section unnecessarily goes into the history of apportionment, and in the Government of Florida aricle, I think the local government section unnecessarily goes into too much detail about history and politics. Local government in general is poorly developed in these types of articles. But I think the proper way to fix those problems are to fix the "main" articles and pull from their introductions, and that takes alot of time and energy (good sources can be so very hard to come by).. I also frequently have to take other detours, e.g., like the law articles, so I know where to pull primary sources from if I need them. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:27, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

== California elections: wrong about what? ==

No need to be cryptic. Just fix the article, if you see an error. [[User:WCCasey|WCCasey]] ([[User talk:WCCasey|talk]]) 05:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
:OK, now I read your post on the California Talk page. Edit wars, eh? I'll try to go back and see what's going on so I can help you work on that. [[User:WCCasey|WCCasey]] ([[User talk:WCCasey|talk]]) 05:30, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
::Not much of a war. ;) [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 05:34, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

== WP Law in the ''Signpost'' ==

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Law for a ''Signpost'' article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/WikiProject desk/Interviews5|here are the questions for the interview]]'''. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. [[User:Mabeenot|–Mabeenot]] ([[User talk:Mabeenot|talk]]) 03:36, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

== Merging New York state offices templates ==

I somehow missed your last comment/question, and the thread was closed in the meanwhile. I would say "New York State Offices" would be fine. Then make sublists like Political offices (Gov., Lt. Gov., Att. Gen., Comptr.) Judicial offices (Chief Judge, Assoc. Judge Court App., Supreme Court?), Executive dept (quite a few of them), Defunct offices (some of which have an own article). Could you do the merging? [[User:Kraxler|Kraxler]] ([[User talk:Kraxler|talk]]) 15:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:I am still taking a census of similar templates. I want to make sure that this won't be some outlier that will ultimately get reverted. I want to collect a list of all these templates, and bring in the other major editors what they think. Since I discussed the issue, I am not as concerned as I first was. In any event, I am still doing major editing on state government articles, which view as a much higher priority. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 19:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
::That's ok, no need to rush it. Please let me know when you have a merge-draft ready. Cheers. [[User:Kraxler|Kraxler]] ([[User talk:Kraxler|talk]]) 18:00, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

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== Clarify ==

Re: this comment: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AGun_politics_in_the_United_States&diff=607087662&oldid=607087570] Was it meant for me or for Collect? I'm really beside myself on what to do. I made numerous good-faith edits and C. reverted them all, apparently because he disagreed with one of them. I just want my work restored, minus the Nazi gun control material that is the subject of the RfC - which seems to be C's real issue (since he didn't feel it was necessary to revert the previous editor's series of edits that removed four times the material that I restored... if you follow). [[User:Lightbreather|Lightbreather]] ([[User talk:Lightbreather|talk]]) 23:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
:Oh - It looks like another editor agrees with me that the mass revert was overboard. Again, thanks for your comment. [[User:Lightbreather|Lightbreather]] ([[User talk:Lightbreather|talk]]) 23:03, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

== CAstat ==

Ha, you should see the discussion regarding the system that could store 60 million. The fact that we are "only" at 49k pages created for that (equal to 10% of all templates) shouldn't be a cause for worry. After this, I'll go to [[Template:RussiaAdmMunRef]] and its 1400 or so pages. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:53, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

== June 2014 ==

[[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]]. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed [[Wikipedia:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] from [[:Official Compilation of Federal Legislation]]. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. Take a look at the [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|welcome page]] to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-tdel1 --> [[User:Sreeking|Sreeking]] ([[User talk:Sreeking|talk]]) 01:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
:It was no mistake; I reverted your edits for the reasons given. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 01:42, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
:: No citations - This page does not cite any sources. It requires more sources to be added to the article to make it more reliable. By citing a single source, it is a self-published article. Therefore, it is not a reliable source in accordance with the guidelines set out in [[WP:VERIFIABILITY]], especially [[WP:NOTRELIABLE]]. Thank you. [[User:Sreeking|Sreeking]] ([[User talk:Sreeking|talk]]) 01:57, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

== July 2014 ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, I'm [[User:Shadowjams|Shadowjams]]. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|your recent contributions]] because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the [[WP:sandbox|sandbox]]. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on [[User_talk:Shadowjams|my talk page]]. ''Thanks but you're wrong.''<!-- Template:uw-vandalism1 --> [[User:Shadowjams|Shadowjams]] ([[User talk:Shadowjams|talk]]) 06:37, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

== New Judiciaries of the United States navbar ==

Hi, I see that you do a bit of editing on Judiciary articles. I have created a new navbar for state Judiciary articles {{tl|Judiciaries of the United States}} to replace using {{tl|United States topic}} directly. --[[User:Bamyers99|Bamyers99]] ([[User talk:Bamyers99|talk]]) 00:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
: :) Thank you. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 16:55, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

== Blocked? or what ... ==

So you made some changes to [[California superior courts]]. I revert the changes because they are basically OR. But when I do so, I'm looking at your user page which has the sockpuppet template on it. No matter, I revert because your changes are OR.  But, I wonder, how is it that a "blocked" sock is able to edit?  Well, it looks like you ''were'' blocked in the past, but are un-blocked and not a sock.  Okay. With this in mind I recommend that you remove the "was blocked" template and let easily confused editors such as myself look at your userpage as a straight forward presentation of who you are. (Does this make sense?) In any event, I think my revert on California courts is a good one. Again, the citing to the rules is original research. Thanks.  – [[User:Srich32977|S. Rich]] ([[User talk:Srich32977|talk]]) 07:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

:The information is not OR. Per [[WP:SUMMARY]], the lede reflects the material of the article; the article has a section named "Appellate Divisions" covering this information. Nor is an almost direct quote from the [[California Government Code]] original research, nor is citing to primary sources original research, per [[WP:PRIMARY]].

:Nor does my user page have the sockpuppet template on it. I was blocked and this multi namespace message box reflects this fact. Potential confusion is not a good enough reason to overcome my desire to make Wikipedians aware of this event IMO.

:Therefore I reject your revert and I oppose it, and I also reject your recommendation for edits to my user page. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 07:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

==Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act==

Wikipedia's policies regarding BLP apply to ALL Wikipedia articles that mention living people, not just articles that happen to be biographies. See [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons]]. Pls discuss on talk page before removing again.[[User:Dash77|Dash77]] ([[User talk:Dash77|talk]]) 23:16, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

:There may, incidentally, be a better template to use for this purpose than 'BLP sources'.  However this article clearly contains unsourced and potentially controversial material about living people, and hence is clearly subject to BLP guidelines, regardless of whether or not the article as a whole is a biography.  This should be noted using an appropriate template.  If the specific template used is not the best, this should be changed by replacing it with a better template, not by deleting it.[[User:Dash77|Dash77]] ([[User talk:Dash77|talk]]) 23:32, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

::That may be that the article contains unsourced and potentially controversial material about living people, and be subject to BLP guidelines. But that template is inappropriate, regardless of whether or not it is so subject. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 02:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

:No, I did not remove [[WP:BLP]], I removed {{tl|BLP Sources}}. Your addition of the template is incorrect, which is for "articles '''about''' living persons". This article is not "about" living persons. Please discuss on the talk page before adding again. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 02:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

::Actually I was requesting that you discuss this on the [[Talk:Foreign_Account_Tax_Compliance_Act|article talk page]], not your personal user talk page.  In any event, I have added the template again.  I feel that the [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Responsibility_for_providing_citations|burden of evidence]] rests with you, not me, in this instance.  The article makes specific claims about living persons and anything that we can do to protect them against possibly fallacious claims we should do.  I have also requested arbitration of the apparent dispute at [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard]].[[User:Dash77|Dash77]] ([[User talk:Dash77|talk]]) 10:01, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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== Michael Powell ==

I see that you moved [[Michael Powell (attorney)]] to [[Michael Powell (lawyer)]].   First of all, you didn't state a reason for doing this in the [[Wikipedia:Edit summary|edit summary]].  Also, and most importantly, you didn't fix any [[Wikipedia:Double redirects|double redirects]] that you caused.   This is very important because a redirect to a redirect doesn't work.   Please go clean up your mess.  --[[User:Rogerd|rogerd]] ([[User talk:Rogerd|talk]]) 16:45, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
:Please go read the "nutshell" at the top of the article you referenced, [[Wikipedia:Double redirects]]: "Double redirects are easily fixed by bots and human editors should devote their efforts elsewhere." [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 18:30, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

== [[Transphobia|Transphobic]] post at [[Talk:Chelsea Manning]] ==

[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|your contributions]]. I am glad to see that you are discussing a topic. However, as a [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|general rule]], talk pages such as [[Talk:Chelsea Manning]] are for discussion related to improving the article, [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#FORUM|not general discussion]] about the topic or unrelated topics. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|our reference desk]] and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-chat1 --> [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 20:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not add unreferenced or [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|poorly referenced]] information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|living (or recently deceased) persons]], as you did to [[:Talk:Chelsea Manning]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-biog2 --> [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 20:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

:I am in the process of starting a discussion on [[WP:ANI]]. It is clearly improper to remove proposals that you disagree with. [[WP:NOTFORUM]] is not a proper reason to remove proposals for changes to articles. I urge you to revert your edit now so we can forgo a discussion about your conduct. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 20:55, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

::Attacking a transgender person's gender identification is hate speech. It equivalent to using the N-word to refer to a black person, and as such is prohibited by [[WP:BLP]]. [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 20:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::To which N-word are you referring? [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:14, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

::::[[N-word]], first entry. [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 21:17, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::So when you refer to N-word, your refer to "nigger", correct? Your reference to nigger is misplaced, as it is a [[euphemism]]. "Male" and "female" are not euphemisms. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

::Please take this to [[WP:ANI]] as this appears to be one editor's disruptive behavior, I am not saying it it is and im not saying it is not but this needs to be addressed. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 21:00, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

[[Image:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.   <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 21:09, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

== Please read ==

Please read [[Wikipedia:Gender identity]]. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 21:46, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:That opinions, such as religion etc., offend someone is more reason to keep Wikipedia neutral. Hence my proposal to use "they". For Wikipedia to become POV to avoid offense to a particular viewpoint is against a core principle of the project. So with that, I disagree with that essay. I also reiterate everything I said about consensus being an ongoing development and never permanent. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
::But did you read it carefully?? That is, you didn't just scan through it quickly. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 22:04, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::I did not read it carefully. I stopped at "Basic respect requires to accept [...]". Basic respect does not require people to agree with others, or to refrain from expressing their contradictory opinions. And to read that sentence any other way makes it nonsensical or irrelevant. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:17, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
::::You have to read it carefully to understand; otherwise you will likely mis-interpret it. [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 22:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::No, I do not. A quick scan of the essay leads me to believe the essay is premised on the aforementioned statement, and as such my time allocation protocol dictates I ignore it unless I'm bored out of my mind, or I otherwise seek to spend considerable effort to disentangle any gainful knowledge from such a premise. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::Although I should note it is in my queue to read. Its just a very low priority. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

So, might I ask what gender ''you'' are, Int21h? And, in advance, what do you think your reaction will be if I refuse to accept your answer and insist you are the opposite? [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 22:23, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

:Honestly id just ignore others here. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 22:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

:You ''may indeed'' ask what gender I am. I think my reaction to such statements would be to dismiss them as off-topic. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:28, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
::Really? My experience is both men and women are at least slightly annoyed if they are casually misidentified. But repeatedly persisting in calling a man a woman in real life is likely to result in violence, don't you think? [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 22:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::Yes, annoyance would probably be why it would be dismissed instead of thoughtfully considered and analyzed. And yes, I can foresee many situations where disagreements lead to violence, but I assert that the threat of violence is not a proper reason for censorship. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
::::[[WP:BLP]] prohibits treating subjects disrespectfully on talk pages as well as in articles. And it allows removal of content that does. That's not censorship, that's simply requiring that editors be respectful when discussing living persons. And questioning a person's gender is disrepectful, whether they have changed it or not. [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 22:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::I am allowed to assert (and question) that Chelsea is a male on a talk page discussion/proposal. I have and I do. And there is obviously a disagreement about what "disrespectful" means. And removing information based on its content is always censorship. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::You haven't read [[Transphobia#Misgendering and exclusion]], either, have you? In any case, [[WP:BLP]] is the one policy on Wikipedia which does indeed allow for censorship. In fact, it pretty much requires it in the case of personal attacks against living subjects. And insisting that someone's gender is the opposite of what they say it is is a personal attack, regardless of your own personal beliefs about gender. [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 22:56, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::::No, WP:BLP does not prevent discussion, or discussions about discussions, on whether the subject of an article is male or female and whether or not Wikipedia should take a neutral tone on the subject. Regardless of ''our'' own personal beliefs about gender. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 23:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

== Arbitration ==

You might also want to read through this arbitration case, [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning naming dispute]]. Multiple people were topic-banned from editing anything related to transgender topics specifically for repeatedly and disrespectfully insisting that Manning is male and/or referring to her by her former name. Arbcom seems to agree that misgendering is indeed disrepectful to living persons, so the removal provision of [[WP:BLP]] would indeed apply and be supported by ArbCom. I am considering refering your actions to Arbcom to be reviewed under this particular ruling. However, were you to volutarily remove or strike the disrepectful information, I'd see no reason to do that. [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 23:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:I will indeed read that case material in due course. I will not remove or strike any of my comments to which you refer, and I oppose any one else doing the same. I also think ArbCom discussion would be proper if what you say is true. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 23:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
::Here's the most relevant part, an almost exact parallel to both your heading and insistance that Manning is male: {{quote|During the course of the dispute, Tarc (talk · contribs) intentionally engaged in inflammatory and offensive speech ("Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't make a heifer become Marilyn Monroe", "Bradley Manning simply doesn't become a woman just because he says so") in a self-admitted attempt to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point.}}
::ArbCom ruled 8 to 0 that such statements about a subject's gender are considered ''"inflammatory and offensive speech"''. Here's a direct link to that ruling: [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning_naming_dispute#Disruptive_participation_by_Tarc]]. [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 23:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::The comments are not the same already... - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 23:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::Do it if you dare. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 23:28, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
::::Otherwise, you should admit you were wrong and/or close the WP:ANI topic. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 23:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
:::::Not wrong. Refering for enforcement to ArbCom. You've just been warned below that you are subject to such enforcement. [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 23:38, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::The message below is not a warning it even says it isn't. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 23:46, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
::::::''[[wikt:bring it#English|Bring it on.]]'' [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 00:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
*'It's obvious some here are trying to get your goat (don't get me in trouble for using an animal ref here).  The whole Manning dispute was a proxy war between sex and gender.  I find it distasteful that a few feel they can dictate how others ''must'' use one usage over another.  I'm afraid the advocates are going to hound (animal again!) you on this until you genuflect in submission.  My advice?  Just say "fuck em" and go about your business.[[User:Two kinds of pork|Two kinds of pork]] ([[User talk:Two kinds of pork|talk]]) 04:38, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
:: :) It causes me little worry. One of my favorite quotes is from ''[[Aesop's Fables]]'': "''{{lang|grc|Ὁ λόγος δηλοῖ ὅτι οἷα ἡ πρόθεσίς ἐστιν ἀδικεῖν, παρ᾿ αὐτοῖς οὐδὲ δικαία ἀπολογία ἰσχύει.}}''" It roughly transliterates as "The narrative shows that for those who intend to harm, fair replies have no power." A more popular translation is "Any excuse will serve a tyrant." This from the era of the [[Solonian Constitution]]: "At the time of Solon the Athenian State was almost falling to pieces in consequence of dissensions between the parties into which the population was divided." Its amazing how consistent some human social behaviors are. ''Lather, rinse, repeat.'' [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 05:52, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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== Notificatio of request for arbitration enforcement of discretionary sanctions ==

I have requested that ArbCom review your personal attacks against a living person, namely [[Chelsea Manning]] which you made on [[Talk:Chelsea Manning]]. That enforcement request can be found [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Int21h|here]]. Thank you. [[User:Yworo|Yworo]] ([[User talk:Yworo|talk]]) 00:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
:No, ''thank you''. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 00:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
:You should also include [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chelsea_Manning&diff=623781471&oldid=623777745 this edit] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=623782322&oldid=623782234 this edit]. Per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Int21h&diff=623780381&oldid=623780088 this edit], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=623780321&oldid=623779771 this edit], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=623781424&oldid=623781414 this edit]. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 00:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

== Heads up ==

At ANI you wrote, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=623782322 "I have re-submitted my original comment/proposal to make sure it is clear I am aware of the ArbCom final decision in the Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Sexology case and that my original comment/proposal should be bound by it."] However, in closely comparing [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chelsea_Manning&diff=prev&oldid=623757793 your original comment] versus [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chelsea_Manning&diff=prev&oldid=623781471 your supposedly "resubmitted" comment], I can find no difference aside from the additional timestamp. This is very confusing. Did you mean to revise your original comment? If not, I don't understand the point of "resubmitting" it. [[User:JohnValeron|JohnValeron]] ([[User talk:JohnValeron|talk]]) 00:29, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
:I don't want the request to be closed on such an assertion, only to have there be another ArbCom request after I say the exact same thing. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 01:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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:Thank you. I appreciate the recognition, because those articles really were very exhausting, and I really appreciate your work moving the topics forward. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 17:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


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: :) [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 17:24, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

== Surrogate's Court ==

I noticed you moved [[New York Surrogate's Court]] for the second time.  You may have forgotten you moved it previously, but please use [[WP:Requested moves]] for controversial moves.  "Surrogate's Court" is a formal proper name for probate courts in New York State, as used by the court itself and every source with which I'm familiar. [[User:Dabdo|Dabdo]] ([[User talk:Dabdo|talk]]) 07:07, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
:I will notify you when I do. There is quite a bit of research to organize, about the courts of surrogates and previous discussions concerning capitalization of common nouns vis-a-vis courts and court types, so it may take a while. I may make it a larger discussion topic that includes multiple court types and multiple articles; there's a larger issue that needs to be resolved here, and too few editors involved. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 08:42, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
::I have answered to Dabdo's argument at his talk page. [[User:Kraxler|Kraxler]] ([[User talk:Kraxler|talk]]) 13:22, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks, Int21h, I will try to take part in that discussion if possible. For what it's worth, in New York the following are names of courts and are normally capitalized in my experience: Court of Appeals, Supreme Court, Court of Claims, Surrogate's Court, Family Court, County Court, Criminal Court (NYC only), Civil Court (NYC only), District Court (Long Island only, unless referring to federal of course), City Court (outside NYC only). Examples of generic names normally not properly capitalized in New York: appeals court, probate court, juvenile court, matrimonial court, divorce court, traffic court, justice court, city court (NYC only), civil court (outside NYC), criminal court (outside NYC), small claims court, housing court, drug court, federal court. [[User:Dabdo|Dabdo]] ([[User talk:Dabdo|talk]]) 18:55, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
:::I have noticed that practice. I have not sufficiently discovered why; where I am from (California), this is probably because the court is called the "Superior Court for the County of [X]" or something similar (as a proper noun in the form prescribed law, which is also in the form of lower case), which mostly gets reduced to "Superior Court" in common parlance, even though it is a "superior court" per both the California Constitution and law. In other words it is the shortened form of a proper noun, which would be capitalized, but that proper noun and capitalization is only with respect to a specific, per-county court, whereas the article is about ''all'' those courts, making it a plural, common noun. While I assume such is the case as well for New York, and as far as I can tell New York law treats such courts in the common noun sense (lower case), it is a perennial issue and should be dealt with properly when there is disagreement. In any case, since I do not see this as a pressing issue, until sufficient discussion is had, I urge you to revert yourself for the reasons given. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 19:10, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
::::The NY constitution is similar in that it treats all court names as lower case. That's about the only place that does, though, as far as I know. Encyclopedias, newspapers, web sites of the court system all capitalize the name.  Wikipedia generally goes by what reliable sources use. Also, it may be semantics, but it is a statewide court, not a series of many county courts, even if organized by county. [[User:Dabdo|Dabdo]] ([[User talk:Dabdo|talk]]) 20:17, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
:::::The unexplained and inexplicable grammar choices of reliable sources should certainly be taken into consideration. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 19:10, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
:In light of recent information, I concur with your reverts of my changes. I apologize for not bringing this up for discussion per WP:RM/CM. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 05:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
::No apology necessary; I realize your edits were made in good faith. Thanks for your message on my talk page. [[User:Dabdo|Dabdo]] ([[User talk:Dabdo|talk]]) 05:57, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

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== New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division ==

Just wondering why you deleted the reference to Mis. Reports in the New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division page.   [[User:Sneekypat|Sneekypat]] ([[User talk:Sneekypat|talk]]) 20:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

:The Misc. Reports only have ''selected opinions'' of the trial courts and Appellate Term, and are no more relevant to the Appellate Division than any other organization within the Supreme Court. The Appellate Division opinions are published in the Appellate Division Reports, a publication specifically for that court. I was only trying to clean it up by removing superfluous information. Since it obviously caught your eye, I have reverted. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 21:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

== Your comments do not make any sense ==

This is the U.S. Supreme Court we are talking about, being quoted on a point about the interpretation of the U.S. Constitution, as opposed to political science in general.  As you should be well aware, the court said in ''Marbury'' that we must never forget that it is a constitution we are expounding.  It is clear from a close reading of the text of the ''City of Arlington'' opinion that the majority was directly refuting and rejecting the concept of delegated legislation. In the quoted footnote, Scalia was obviously responding to this line in Roberts' dissent: "An agency's interpretive authority, entitling the agency to judicial deference, acquires its legitimacy from a delegation of lawmaking power from Congress to the Executive."  --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 11:43, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

:{{ping|Coolcaesar}} No, it's not the US Supreme Court we are talking about. We are talking about the concept of delegated legislation, and by extension, the concept of legislation. Don't get lost in US case law when speaking to general legal concepts in a global context. In that global context, Scalia's opinion is no more authoritative than the dissent you mention, which should also be quoted in the article (and thus I will). Further more, none of their opinions are really any more valuable or authoritative than that of any run-of-the-mill jurist. Because, again, it's about a legal concept defined in a global context in which US courts simply have no special authority. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 20:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
:: But if you analyze law that way, you are analyzing nonexistent legal concepts that will probably never exist in our lifetime (and by the way, I do read books on comparative law for fun).  As you must be aware, WP policy is that we follow, ''we do not lead''.  The only laws that can truly be analyzed that way are self-executing international treaties.  Delegated legislation, like most legal concepts, only makes sense as bound to particular legal systems (in C++/C#/Java terms, a programmer would say it has to be instantiated as an object and isn't defined as a static class).  It exists in some legal systems (with weak separation of powers) and not in others (with strong separation of powers), just as the civil law notary and the general security interest exist in some legal systems and not others.  That was the entire reason for why I quoted Justice Scalia, to introduce his implied holding that "delegated legislation" does not exist in the United States (where the term "legislation" is interpreted very narrowly as the legislative power as reserved to the legislature by the Constitution).  --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 04:03, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

:::{{Ping|Coolcaesar}} Wikipedia discovers, it does not follow for that would violate NPOV. But no, the Supremes don't define these concepts, [[jurist]]s do, and the legal system composed of these jurists.

:::But I think [[it:Atto normativo]] describes it best. Compared to [[Legislation]], which is severely underdeveloped on the subject. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 01:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

::::Just remembered to respond to this. Your position still doesn't make sense.  From the common law perspective, the civil law's overreliance on extrajudicial jurist commentators is unprincipled, unethical, and frankly, lawless.  The common law emphasizes a clear hierarchy of authority at which judges stand at the apex and always have the last word in the absence of further constitutional, statutory, or regulatory response (as the late Antonin Scalia himself understood and emphasized in arguing for increased judicial restraint).  In the common law world, commentators are important secondary sources of authority, but they are ''always'' secondary to the law itself as interpreted by the judiciary. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 01:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

==Rhode Island==
Would you care to comment on [[Talk:Politics_of_Rhode_Island#Requested_move_21_May_2015]]? Thanks. [[User:Student7|Student7]] ([[User talk:Student7|talk]]) 20:13, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

==Peanut Corporation of America==
I specifically referred to Section 362 of the Bankruptcy Code.  All of what I wrote is verifiable by consulting that section.[[User:John Paul Parks|John Paul Parks]] ([[User talk:John Paul Parks|talk]]) 20:58, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|John Paul Parks}} Then it will be easy to provide references on point. That references exist somewhere else is not the standard, they're required in the article making the claim. "All of what I wrote is verifiable [if you look in every possible book ever written]" doesn't cut it, more specificity is needed. The onus is on the editor making the claim. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 22:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

The Bankruptcy Code is a specific statute, and Section 362 Is a specific section within that statute.  It is hardly the equivalent of "every possible book ever written."[[User:John Paul Parks|John Paul Parks]] ([[User talk:John Paul Parks|talk]]) 00:07, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

:In terms of interpreting [[title 11 of the United States Code]], the analogy is purposeful. While I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying using that section as a citation runs afoul of basic [[WP:PRIMARY]] requirements that interpretation of primary sources is WP:OR. That claim cannot be backed by 11 USC 362 by quoting from it directly without using any interpretation. Even if there were such a quote that could be culled from the USC, the statutory text is almost always subject to precedential interpretation--often because there is another section that speaks to the situation, because a single section of the USC is not exclusionary on the subject. I mean, it's good to cite primary sources, but this is a good example when tertiary sources are essentially required, and by the time you're done you realize that article should not really be going into the finer points of bankruptcy law. [[User:Int21h|Int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h#top|talk]]) 01:04, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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== Challenge "special Nordic version of Germanic-Roman jurisprudence" ==

Please see the talk page on "Law of Sweden". [[User:Arrivisto|Arrivisto]] ([[User talk:Arrivisto|talk]]) 10:28, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

:{{Ping|Arrivisto}} It appears there is consensus, but a source must be identified. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 05:04, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Int21h}}  I have added three citations that, though not ideal, some give credence to the "special Nordic version" theory. [[User:Arrivisto|Arrivisto]] ([[User talk:Arrivisto|talk]]) 14:35, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

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::{{re|Mike V}} As for my IPBE, you should direct your questions to my original request and those who granted it, who are privy to non-public information, as you are. That being said, what causes you to have such trust in your assumptions? [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:04, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::The [[User:TParis|issuing administrator]] is no longer active and did not provide any information to the functionary team when the request occurred. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b>]]</span> 01:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::{{re|Mike V}} Your statement is erroneous in that the English Wikipedia shows TParis as active, and in addition you should direct your questions to my original non-public request, which was not to TParis; I suggest that if you do not have access to this information, then you should defer your questions to someone who is competent on the subject. Your reply was non-responsive, so I repeat myself: what causes you to have such trust in your assumptions? [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::TParis's last edit was approximately [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TParis 6 months ago]. I think it's fair to consider that as inactive. Your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=Int21h&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_thanks_log=1&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_tag_log=1&hide_review_log=1 user right log] shows that TParis was the issuing administrator. ({{tq|02:03, 27 December 2011 TParis changed group membership for Int21h from autopatrolled to autopatrolled and IP block exempt (User request via unblock-en-l)}}) Forgive me, but it seems strange that TParis would issue the right if he wasn't the one with whom you discussed. Regardless, I would appreciate if you either inform me directly (privately via email, if you wish) or point me in the direction of the individual(s) with whom you discussed. As for your question, I have found that the vast majority of users with the IPBE right no longer have need for it because the original reason for which it was requested no longer applies. This is especially true for those who were issued IPBE more than a year ago. Given that you didn't respond to my email or the message on your talk page, I assumed it was likely that you fell into the same category. Even so, I invited you to discuss it with me if that was not the case. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b>]]</span> 02:54, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::My request was not sent to TParis. I assume you agree, since you have not disputed this. (Furthermore, TParis' activity level is irrelevant, given this undisputed fact.) Since a competent admin should have access to my original request, you are apparently not an admin competent re this issue, and I cannot continue this conversation without divulging such non-public information. (I would suggest you start by contacting {{tq|unblock-en-l}} recipients, per the logs you gave, or by contacting the OTRS team.) If you would like to proceed, please demonstrate that you have obtained access to such basic information required for this discussion to continue; I will otherwise consider any and all further comments by you as non-responsive. Furthermore, I do hereby repeat, reiterate and reclaim all claims, excluding any requests, included in my original request(s). [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 03:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::Hello,
::::::I’m following up to let you know that I was able to review the request that was submitted. (For verification, the original email was sent to unblock-en-l@lists.wikimedia.org on Sun, 25 Dec 2011 5:37:10 UTC. If you feel that is not sufficient, I can provide other forms of verification such as the 5th letter of the email address used, the valediction at the end of the message, or the first sentence of the email.) After reading the email, it appears that you do not meet the requirements for editing through tor with IBPE. Using tor requires that you have exceptional need for the right, such as having a credible concern for your physical well being or actively editing from a country that restricts access to Wikipedia. As neither scenarios apply to your situation, I have removed the IPBE right. I understand that this may not be the desired outcome for you. However, I wish to convey that this is in no way a negative reflection of you or your efforts. I look forward to to seeing your continued contributions to the encyclopedia. Best regards, <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b>]]</span> 01:41, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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== [[Agriculture in New York]] copyright problem ==

I have removed some of the content you added to the above article, as it appears to have been copied from http://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/importance_agriculture_ny.pdf, a copyright web page. All content you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions or if you think I made a mistake. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 02:10, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

:{{ping|Diannaa}} If you would like the conversation here, so be it, it should have been on the article talk page. Sentence fragments of "ranks" and "contains" and "top" are not copyrightable. The other sentence fragments used are basic facts, such as region names, and numbers from the Ag Census. Should there be interspersed, non-fact sentence fragments that you think violate copyright, you may remove them or challenge them, but the facts must stay. I note I have used basic facts and connected them using my own connecting words, which is to say that if there be any non-fact words used, there shouldnt be many. I'd be happy to work with you to identify them, but these facts simply cannot be changed without severely impacting the factual basis and reliability of the claims. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 00:56, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
::Wikipedia has a very strict copyright policy, stricter in some ways than copyright law itself, because or fair use policy does not allow us to copy material from copyright sources when there's a freely licensed alternative available. In this case the freely licensed material is prose that we write ourselves. You must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. The material that I removed was 337 words copied practically verbatim from a copyright web page elsewhere on the Internet. That's a copyright violation. I have undone the revision deletion on one diff so that you can view it yourself in the copyvio detection tool: [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=&oldid=763582436&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.osc.state.ny.us%2Freports%2Fimportance_agriculture_ny.pdf here] — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 01:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::I obviously disagree. Since you have purged the material from the logs using an admin right, you have blocked all possible community review of your action, so the next step is to [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2017 February 4]] for a neutral admin to review. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:11, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
::::I have undone the revision deletion on one diff so that you can view it yourself in the copyvio detection tool: [https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=&oldid=763582436&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.osc.state.ny.us%2Freports%2Fimportance_agriculture_ny.pdf here]. Please take the time to review the report. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 01:17, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::Thank you, very cool diff, I did not know about that. I notice how there is never an actual sentence between the two, my text being quite literally sentence fragments of basic facts, ranking of regions and counties, top commodities, top sales, etc., with huge amounts of non-factual text in between purposely not used. Thank you for the diff, that should be enough for a community discussion, focusing on each sentence, which will be the next step after we get a second opinion. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:27, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::I have placed a link to this discussion at [[WP:CP]] — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 01:31, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. I should say I will still be asking for a sentence-by-sentence review, so I hope that is done this time around to prevent such a proposal in the future. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

[UNDER CONSTRUCTION.. to be continued]

"ONCE IS ENOUGH" I shall begin by asserting my claim: we have an amalgamation of facts and pronouns interspersed with uncreative verbiage. Each non-creative fact is uncopyrightable, and furthermore, an amalgamation of such non-creative facts are also uncopyrightable, per [[Feist Publications, Inc., v. Rural Telephone Service Co.|''Feist v. Rural'']]. These facts and pronouns ultimately source from the [[Census of Agriculture]], a work exempted from copyright protection. The uncreative verbiage connecting them does not bestow upon these uncopyrightable facts any [[threshold of originality]]. If I can prove that Diannaa reverted one sentence in error, then all sentences by the same logic were reverted in error, thus Diannaa's entire revert must be undone.

"THE STANDARD" ''Feist v. Rural'' explicitly rejected the doctrine of the "[[sweat of the brow]]", the doctrine that an author gains copyrights through simple diligence during the creation of a work, establishing that mere labor ("sweat of the brow") is not sufficient for copyright. ''Feist'' established that facts are not copyrightable unless the threshold of originality is met. Further case law such as ''Morrissey v. Procter & Gamble'' reiterated that only sufficiently original elements within the work are eligible for protection.<!--{{cite web|title=Morrissey v. Procter and Gamble|url=http://www.law.uconn.edu/homes/swilf/ip/cases/morrissey.htm|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20110718182335/http://www.law.uconn.edu/homes/swilf/ip/cases/morrissey.htm|archivedate=18 July 2011|work=An Introduction to Intellectual Property|publisher=University of Connecticut School of Law|accessdate=23 September 2013}}-->

"THE ONE RING" Diannaa asserts that because these claims from the federal Ag Census can be found as sentence fragments of the work, interspersed with uncreative and insignificant verbiage of both my own and from the work, this causes a copyright violation. To analyze each claim added, I will treat each as generally of the subject-verb-object form. E.g., one sentence that Diannaa reverted and purged from the logs is "''New York is a top-ten national producer of apples, grapes, onions, sweet corn, tomatoes, and maple syrup.''" Diannaa asserts that using "New York is a top-ten" and "apples, grapes, onions, sweet corn, tomatoes" sentence fragments from the work violates copyright.

Where Diannaa's assertion fails is that both the facts "New York", "is a top ten" and "apples, grapes, onions, sweet corn, tomatoes", which Diannaa asserts as themselves copyright violations combined into one with connecting verbs which Diannaa does not assert is even from the work, are actually not copyrightable in and of themselves. They are simple facts. They lack the minimum creativity required for copyright. It is clear that the intervening verb connecting words between the extremely basic facts of "New York", "top-ten", and "apples,..." lack creativity and do not add any creativity. There are articles which are thought to so lack creativity they are usually never capitalized even in titles, like "a", "the", "and" "in".

All sentence fragments are actually stated clearly in, and taken directly from, the federal [[Census of Agriculture]]. There is no creativity there, nor is there any copyright in that work.These facts are pulled directly from the 2012 Census, which also gives rankings, but at the nationwide, state, county and regional level, which is the bulk of the twice-reverted material. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 18:55, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, Int21h! I'm here to give my opinion on the [[Agriculture in New York]] copyright problem. For transparency, I should declare that (1) that I'm not an admin but a humble [[WP:copyright clerk|copyright clerk]] and (2) that I owe a huge debt of gratitude to {{u|Diannaa}}, and that we often collaborate in copyvio removal though we don't very often talk. None of that makes the slightest difference to my evaluation of the copyright infringement in {{oldid|Agriculture in New York|763408772|this version}} of [[:Agriculture in New York]]. That was, in my opinion, unacceptably close to the source, and Diannaa was absolutely right to remove/revert it. A couple of examples:

{| class="wikitable" style="margin: 1em auto 1em auto; width: 80%;"
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! style="width: 50%;" | Our article, revision 763582436 !! style="width: 50%;" | [http://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/importance_agriculture_ny.pdf The source]
|-style="height: 80px;" 
| '''The North Country region ranks second in the state for total agricultural sales and third in farm acreage''', and '''along with the Finger Lakes region is one of the top producers of milk and dairy products as well as cattle and calves, and is the top producer for hay and grass silage'''.
| '''The North Country region''' […] '''ranks second in the State for total agricultural sales and third in farm acreage. Along with the Finger Lakes region''', the North Country '''is one of the top producers of milk and dairy products as well as cattle and calves, and is the top producer for hay and grass silage''' for feed.
|-
| '''The Central New York region''' […] '''ranks third in the State for agricultural sales, while Cayuga County alone ranks second''' in the State (See Figure 3). '''The region is also the number one producer of soybeans and a top producer of corn. Other top commodities include Christmas trees and woody crops, as well as sheep and goats'''.
| '''The Central New York region ranks third in the state for agricultural sales, while Cayuga County alone ranks second''' among the counties. '''The region is also the number one producer of soybeans and a top producer of corn''', while '''other top commodities include Christmas trees and woody crops, as well as sheep and goats'''.
|-
|}
:That is, quite simply, copyright violation. There is no conceivable reason why this content should not be rewritten in your own words ("The North Country region has the second-highest sales of agricultural products after the Finger Lakes region, and is the third-largest in the state in terms of area under cultivation …" or "After the Finger lakes region, the next-highest volume of agricultural sales is in the North Country region, which also has the third-largest area of farmland in the state…"). This is not a simple list of non-creative facts such as the names and numbers in a telephone directory. Content you write in Wikipedia may contain the same facts as your sources, but may not use the same forms of expression. You must write '''in your own words'''. 
:That's my opinion on your contributions to this specific article. The big question, of course, is this: are there other articles where you have adhered to the source in a similarly close way? If so, those too may need to be reviewed. You could help by listing any such pages here, on this page, in this thread. Thanks, [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 22:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
::Concur.  That's a clear copyright violation.  Attempting to claim it's not doesn't look good. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 01:13, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
::Two sentences down. 20+ to go. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:40, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Very nice, I will try and integrate it into my finished argument. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 02:52, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{| class="wikitable" style="margin: 1em auto 1em auto; width: 80%;"
|-
! style="width: 50%;" | Our article, revision 763582436 !! style="width: 50%;" | [http://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/importance_agriculture_ny.pdf The source]
|-style="height: 80px;" 
| '''The North Country region ranks second in the state for total agricultural sales and third in farm acreage''', and '''along with the Finger Lakes region is one of the top producers of milk and dairy products as well as cattle and calves, and is the top producer for hay and grass silage'''.
| '''The North Country region''' […] '''ranks second in the State for total agricultural sales and third in farm acreage. Along with the Finger Lakes region''', the North Country '''is one of the top producers of milk and dairy products as well as cattle and calves, and is the top producer for hay and grass silage''' for feed.
|-
|}
:::{| class="wikitable" style="margin: 1em auto 1em auto; width: 80%;"
|-
! style="width: 50%;" | "In our own words" !! style="width: 50%;" | [http://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/importance_agriculture_ny.pdf The source]
|-style="height: 80px;" 
| '''The Finger Lakes region is a significant producer of milk and dairy products and cattle and calves. The North Country region''' is '''second''' among the '''regions for total sales value, and ranks first for grass and hay silage.'''
| '''The North Country region''' […] '''ranks second''' […] '''total […] and third in farm acreage.''' [along] '''with the Finger Lakes region''' […] '''producers of milk and dairy products [and] cattle and calves, and''' […] '''for hay and grass silage''' […] '''[rank] [first/third/...] [rank]''' '''rank''' '''Finger Lakes''' […] '''significant producer''' […] '''sales value''' […]
|-
|}
:::"In your own words" changes nothing. There are simply too many irreplaceable phrases, irreplaceable in that changes them would change the meaning so much that it would make the sentence incorrect. All "in your own words" does is add more […]. Whatever phrase you use, anywhere, all that does is add another […] to another place in the source where that phrase is used. There is the same overlap with the source.  And there's only so many ways to say "hay" (which is not hay silage) and only so many ways to say "Finger Lakes". [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 02:52, 16 February 2017 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 04:17, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
::::The current version of the article is okay from a copyright point of view. You now have three opinions that the original version is a copyright violation, so I have re-done the revision deletion.<p>Obviously adding the words "Finger Lakes" is not a copyright violation, nor is adding the word "hay". Adding list material such as a list of farm products is okay, as long as the surrounding prose is not also copied. So, if the source says "The North Country region […] ranks second in the State for total agricultural sales and third in farm acreage. Along with the Finger Lakes region, the North Country is one of the top producers of milk and dairy products as well as cattle and calves, and is the top producer for hay and grass silage for feed" you might say "The North Country and Finger Lakes regions produce cattle, dairy products, and feed for cattle". General advice: Content has to be written in your own words and not inclusive of the source material at all. It's been suggested that not so much as three words should be together in the same order as the source. One thing I find that works for me is to read over the source material and then pretend I am verbally describing the topic to a friend in my own words. Stuff should also be presented in a different order where possible. Summarize rather than paraphrase. This will typically result in your version being much shorter than the source document. — [[User:Diannaa|Diannaa]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 15:03, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::Again concur with User:Diannaa's cogent analysis. Also, you could have easily avoided this fiasco by simply pulling facts from three or four sources and mixing them up.  It's rare that quotes from different sources will naturally mesh together, so restating those facts to flow properly as a coherent narrative is one way to make oneself avoid inadvertent copyright violations. There are plenty of recent sources on Google Books on the subject of agriculture in the state of New York, if you had bothered to look for them. The trick is to limit the search to sources with "Preview available" and published only in the "21st century." --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 20:16, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::Diannaa, every county in the nation produces those things. Every county in New York produces every commodity. Think about your reformulation strategy, what information you left out: how important it is to what you are saying, and its provenance. General advice: stick to [https://tools.wmflabs.org/userviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&namespace=0&redirects=0&range=latest-20&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&user=Diannaa reverting other editors], leave the [https://tools.wmflabs.org/userviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&namespace=0&redirects=0&range=latest-20&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&user=Int21h actual writing of Wikipedia] to everyone else.
::::::Coolcaesar, You have failed to ask much less answer: just how did I come across this source? Googling phrases from the Ag Census, which was my jumping off point and led me directly there (it's a top hit when googling the Ag Census discussions); this source is just a condensed collection of the Ag Census discussions and tables.
::::::If I cannot use the Ag Census, those sections will be dead in the water. There is no way to build on this section without using these basic bits of information, there is no way to discuss these counties or state-defined regions further without linking that information to something tangible like ag products and money. There would be little to no nexus to that information and agriculture. You can only paraphrase a statistic using so many words, and the source has used them all (and shows a sea of bold and […] in every diff).
::::::This is no fiasco, it is a process. I will build my argument then take it to the community, and if they reject it, I will leave those sections as they lay and move on. Someone will say something meaningless and merge the section, and no one will ever learn much about regional conditions in New York concerning agricultural crops and economics. Such is Wikipedia. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 04:13, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Diannaa, just realized you probably wont figure it out, so here's a hint. Ag Census data is of the form normal for [[SDMX]] statistical "[[Sample (statistics)|observations]]": an observation representing a single statistic as whole, with dimensions, attributes and measures (attributes are like units, like dollars or acres, allowing for generic non-SDMX dimensions to still be exchangeable and comparable, but are implied here for simplicity). These Ag Census observations in this dataset are of the form, given with the values for this observation: 
::::::::a SDMX dimension [area]: The North Country region; 
:::::::::Note: an "SDMX parameter-ized slice"--implied aggregate of Ag Census data, hence Ag Census shouldnt be cited--source should be cited
::::::::a SDMX dimension [timeperiod] (implied): 2012; 
::::::::a generic dimension [dimension1]: for total agricultural sales; 
::::::::a generic dimension [dimension2]: ranks in the state; and 
::::::::a generic/unitless [measure]: 2nd.
:::::::::Note: an "SDMX parameter-ized slice"--implied aggregate of Ag Census data, hence Ag Census shouldnt be cited--source should be cited
:::::::Hence [area] [dimension2] [measure] [dimension1] "The North Country region ranks in the state second for total agricultural sales"
:::::::Compared to so-called-copyrighted source "The North Country region […] ranks second in the State for total agricultural sales"
:::::::Notice how I've cut out everything except the bare observation? Those […] you have in there? Of course you don't, who are we kidding.
:::::::Then you have the same beginning but a different [measure] and [dimension1] "and third in farm acreage". English such as it is--[[SDMX]] also allows it--Ag Census observations use it. I know this is likely too much for you, but I assure you, its preety standard. You changed it to [area] [dimension1_from_observation_alpha] [dimension1_from_observation_beta] [dimension1_from_observation_gamma], the same dimension but from 3 different observations, and left out any [measure]. The measure is kinda the point of a [[Sample (statistics)|statistical observation]].... You have taken an Ag Census slice--a set of observations with shared dimensions--and turned them into gibberish. Stick to reverting other editors, leave the actual writing of Wikipedia to everyone else.
:::::::[[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 07:25, 17 February 2017 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 07:44, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::::When you say, "There is no way to build on this section without using these basic bits of information," you're taking the view that if you can't rely on that source's exact expression of those particular facts then there's absolutely no way the subject can be properly covered in Wikipedia. That's a lazy excuse for plagiarism.  My elementary school teachers and junior high English teachers trained me to avoid excuses like that by the time I was 13 years old.  As an adult, I have ''never'' needed to invoke that excuse in ''any'' context.  
::::::::As I said before, the way to avoid a copyright violation is to '''mix it up'''.  If you can't find any decent sources on the open Web that go into New York agriculture in detail (most likely because New York ag is a joke compared to California ag), then get to a decent library and start looking at books (you do know how to find those on [[WorldCat]], right?) or at deep Web databases like [[ProQuest]] and [[LexisNexis]].  I have personally done that kind of research many times for Wikipedia on topics I care about.  
::::::::As any competent writer knows, there is ''always'' a way to put a different twist on after every fact to turn the narrative in a different direction that ''does not parrot'' the exact expression found in the original source for that fact.  In this case, the obvious way to do that is to locate facts that support the ''why'' and the ''who'', then mix them in with facts about the ''what''.  For example, if the Finger Lakes region is so productive (the what), then there must be some article or book somewhere commenting on the reasons for that (the why) and the persons responsible for discovering that (the who).  Mix those in, with appropriate citations, and also state the ''what'' in a different order (i.e., hay ahead of dairy), and use different adjectives, and no one will accuse you of violating anyone's copyright.  For example (I have no idea if any of this is true or not), you could say that "due to its relatively long growing season (for the Northeast), unusual geology, and rich soils, as discovered early on by 17th century English colonists, the Finger Lakes region is ranked number one in the state for hay and grass silage," then add on, "In turn, the affordability of high-quality feed has contributed to a regional dairy industry ranked among the most productive in the state.") 
::::::::If you can't take the time to research the subject properly so that you have enough sources to not have to closely track the language of a single source, then just don't do it. There are a lot of subjects where I've been frustrated for many years with the poor quality of the Wikipedia articles about them.  But because I knew it would take too long to pull the sources necessary to rewrite them to a minimally decent level of quality and I don't care enough about those subjects to invest that time, money, and energy, I learned to let it go. --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 20:21, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::There can be no plagiarism, the source was clearly given, and the underlying provenance (Ag Census) was implied. Again, you fail to understand exactness is required: they are statistics. Staying true to a statistic may be lazy, but its the only truthful way. You cannot "mix it up" with statistics, it must always have the required dimensions and measures, although some may be implied (as in the time reference)--otherwise it is a fraud, a falsehood. You of all people should know, words can have an exact meaning, some words can be irreplaceable. ''Rigor.'' And your appeal to authority is ''disingenuous.''
:::::::::Again, you fail to understand how nexus matters, how any advanced topic should be connected to more basic topics which novice readers usually start with. You don't write an article on quantum physics without an article on classic physics, you don't write a section discussing a county's silo construction projects without discussing ''why silos matter to the county.'' Your junior high teachers obviously stressed the wrong things, they forgot to tell you ''why you're going to the library.'' You can put as many twists as you want on a statistical observation--all it will add is more […] in this diff.
:::::::::There is no why here, there is no who. There is only what. What with what. The Ag Census is not an essay. It is not an argument. They are dry connections between whats. You can say all you want before and after, but you will always have "Finger Lakes region is ranked number one in the state for hay and grass silage." [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 00:54, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::It is interesting to see you throw around words like "rigor" without comprehension of what they mean.  Reminds me of my favorite line from ''The Princess Bride'': "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." In this case, you forgot ''what'' you're writing in the first place. To paraphrase [[John Marshall]]: We must never forget that it is an encyclopedia that we are expounding.  No more than that. No less than that.  Not an Ag Census. Not a statistical compilation. 
::::::::::If this was about an article consisting of nothing more than a bare-bones table summarizing Ag Census rankings for New York counties, I would agree with you. There are only so many ways to arrange statistical observations as raw numbers, lists, or tables. But it's not. You're writing a ''prose'' article on agriculture in New York, and prose is always a form of creative expression, even if the subject is a dry or obscure one.  For your sake, I hope you have not copied-and-pasted with such reckless disregard into other Wikipedia articles.  --[[User:Coolcaesar|Coolcaesar]] ([[User talk:Coolcaesar|talk]]) 19:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::Bare-bones statistics, without any creative prose, has formed the core of Wikipedia since the beginning. Go look at the majority of US city articles, at their demographics sections. Notice anything … similar? Notice what these article sections have in common with the issue at hand? That material, as with this material, is not creative; there is no room for creativity. It is dry, it is predictable, it is highly structured, it is devoid of prose. All your fallacious and irrelevant soliloquies notwithstanding, this is how Wikipedia is written. For my sake, watch and learn. ''Rigor -- strict precision: exactness.'' [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 05:34, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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:{{ping|Mikel Engel Dz}} {{ping|Thelmadatter}} Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I should begin by saying that this appears to be a [[WP:BLP]] article and I have little experience, if not none, in this area. The BLP article is technically sound in my opinion, but needing attention.
:But if I should say so, I think [[WP:NOTABILITY]] should be heeded. In my initial reviews, the subject does not exist in the [http://catalogo.iib.unam.mx/autoridades ''{{lang|es|Catálogo de Autoridades}}''] ([[authority control]]) of the [[National Library of Mexico|''{{lang|es|Biblioteca Nacional de México}}'']], not to mention the VIAF or Spain's ''{{lang|es|Biblioteca Nacional de España}}''. As such, I've treated the BLP subject as a ''politico''. I think this should be emphasised in any WP:NOTABILITY challenge, e.g., that the subject is of importance to the ''politics'' of Mexico. As an aside, I think that attention should be given so UNAM BN gives the BLP subject a proper authority record.
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== Cite Q ==

Please stop indiscriminately converting articles to use Cite Q. These are awful editor-unfriendly un-editable templates, and the conversion goes against [[WP:CITEVAR]]. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 16:02, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I just saw one of {{u|Int21h}}'s {{tl|Cite Q}} conversions in my watchlist, and I agree with {{u|Headbomb}}: substituting a Wikidata ID for an entire citation template is a nightmare for content editors. Is there a way to add the Wikidata ID as a parameter to the existing citation template, so there is no problem with [[WP:CITEVAR]]? [[User:Biogeographist|Biogeographist]] ([[User talk:Biogeographist|talk]]) 17:02, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

: {{ping|Headbomb|Biogeographist}} No. WP:CITEVAR is not relevant for per my reasons on WPT:CITE. Yes we should be able to edit {{tl|Citation}} and {{tl|Citation journal}} to add a Wikidata parameter. I am aware of the downsides of Cite Q, but I'm also aware of the upsides. This is exploratory, I intentionally chose high profile articles for the large amounts of editors who care.
:* Cite Q does not render when wikitext editing, so it's a black box when you're editing and you have no idea until you preview it.
:* But such mundane and exact data as in the citation templates are best managed on Wikidata. Cite Q should pass through parameters to Citation so as to maintain styles. (I don't do citation style editing so I assume.) Wikidata is more exact, Wikidata has a GUI. And Cite Q evaluates on Visual Editor for newer editors.
:* A large of amount of edits on Wikipedia are citation data flowing across Wikipedia ''manually''. So in essence this will be "robbing" these editors of their busywork, but at the same time we'll have more edits on the one citation whose data will flow ''automatically''.
: I do wonder if the new-ness and learning curve should mean it should be relegated to specialized sections, since I suspect even experienced editors will be jarred by Wikidata. But Infoboxes and such are already using Wikidata, and for the same reasons it should be used for e.g. lists of written works that are on Wikidata.
: [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

:: I responded at the discussion that I started about this at [[WT:CS]], rebutting a couple of {{u|Int21h}}'s statements above. [[User:Biogeographist|Biogeographist]] ([[User talk:Biogeographist|talk]]) 02:23, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

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== [[WP:CITEVAR]] is not optional ==

Please don't restore the blight that is {{tl|cite q}}. This is not an improvement, and goes against the established citation style on that article. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 00:11, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

:This was pointed to you before. I should not have to point it to you again. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 00:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

::If CS1 is not changed, then WP:CITEVAR is not violated; i.e. no styles were changed. You do you, but no you should not (point it ''out'' again). [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 00:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 00:46, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Have you forgotten [[Wikipedia talk:Citing sources/Archive 52#Template:Cite Q and WP:CITEVAR]] already? &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 00:49, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
::::I have not. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 00:50, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:::::See [[Talk:Unruh_effect#WP:CITEVAR_and_Template:Cite_Q]]. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 02:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

:Now we're through with that unfortunate business, I believe there is a path forward here that satisfies most everyone, but it will involve ''bonafide'', active cooperation from everyone: I still believe the path forward is to add a Q parameter to the CS1 template directly, or something along those lines. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 14:57, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
:Headbomb, I did not mean to imply you cannot edit my talk page, I meant that the conversation here has hitherto been unproductive. There is a path forward here. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 15:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
::You'll want to start by reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?fulltext=Search+archives&fulltext=Search&prefix=Help+talk%3ACitation+Style+1%2F&search=QID&ns0=1&ns4=1&ns10=1&ns12=1&searchToken=4kx2n43ohajh1r33fvxkujk3 discussions at these search results], including [[Help_talk:Citation_Style_1/Archive_83#Wikidata_QID_parameter|this one, which you started]]. Adding a Wikidata parameter to CS1 citations has been discussed at length. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 13:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
:::Please summarize it for me. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 03:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

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::Consensus building is made clear in WP:CON. Consensus is developed within 3RR, as it was here. Nothing wrong happened, nothing wrong ''is happening''. This is a new template, I added it to a ''major'' article, and the complainants are mad as hell that no one gives AF. Part and parcel. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:33, 5 October 2022 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
::{{tl|Cite Q}} is intended to be a "sister" citation template, inasmuch as any interface does. Attributes are changed by changing the same parameters ''as the other sister templates''. It should be otherwise ''unnoticeable'' stylistically (again, like the sister templates). If there be a requirement or bug in a citation template, we shall fix it. CS1 vs CS2 &c are anachronisms and are irrelevant. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 02:31, 5 October 2022 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 05:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

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== Sat: Earth Day Edit-a-thon + Sun: Wiki-Picnic ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|April 22: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Earth Day 2023 Bushwick|Earth Day Edit-a-thon]] + April 23: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Earth Day Wiknic|Wiki-Picnic]]
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[[File:Earth flag PD.jpg|thumb|Join us for two final Earth Week events!]]
You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for a pair of special events this weekend as we wrap up [[Earth Week]]! No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome.

* [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Earth Day 2023 Bushwick|Earth Day 2023 Edit-a-thon Environment of Brooklyn with Sure We Can]]
: ''What:'' Improve Wikipedia articles on the Environment of Brooklyn!
: ''When:'' Saturday April 22, 11am-1pm (BPL), 1pm-5:30pm (SWC)
: ''Where:'' Spectrum Learning Lab - DeKalb branch [[Brooklyn Public Library]] and [[Sure We Can]] & Hybrid

* [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Earth Day Wiknic|Earth Day Wiknic NYC]]
: ''What:'' Enjoy a picnic celebration and [[m:WikiSeder|Wiki-Seder]]!
: ''When:'' Sunday, April 23, 12-5pm
: ''Where:'' [[Concert Grove Pavilion]], Prospect Park
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== May 17: WikiWednesday Salon + Queering Wikipedia ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|May 17: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/May 2023|WikiWednesday + Queering Wikipedia @ BPL + on Zoom]]
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[[File:Brooklyn Public Library (48291925691).jpg|thumb|WikiWednesday is back in-person, pizza included!]]
You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/May 2023|WikiWednesday Salon]]''', with in-person at [[Brooklyn Public Library]] by Grand Army Plaza, in the Central Library's Info Commons Lab, as well as an online-based participation option. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome!

We will also sync with the '''[[m:QW2023|Queering Wikipedia 2023 Conference]]''' and [[:meta:Wiki Loves Pride/2023|Wiki Loves Pride 2023]] and have a Wikidata session on [[LGBT themes in mythology|LGBT themes for figures in religion/mythology]].

We are proud to announce that monthly PIZZA has returned!

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. Brooklyn Public Library encourages the wearing of masks when indoors, and especially be mindful of those in your proximity.

*Wednesday May 17 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/May 2023|WikiWednesday + Queering Wikipedia @ BPL]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/May 2023#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
:: ''5:30 pm -6:30 pm'' (Open Hour + Wikidata-thon)
::''6:30 pm - 8:00 pm '' (Wiki Salon)
:: ([[Brooklyn Public Library]], Grand Army Plaza, Brooklyn)
:: Also online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]

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== June 21: WikiWednesday Salon back in Manhattan! ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|June 21: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2023|WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce]]
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[[File:Prime Produce 2023 jeh.jpg|thumb|WikiWednesday is back in Manhattan!]]
You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2023|WikiWednesday Salon]]''', with in-person at [[Wikidata: Q87747949|Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], as well as an online-based participation option. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome!

We are proud to announce that monthly food has returned!

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. Prime Produce encourages the wearing of masks when indoors, and especially be mindful of those in your proximity.

*Wednesday June 21 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2023|WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2023#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
::''7:00 pm - 8:00 pm ''
:: ([[Wikidata: Q87747949|Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
:: Also online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]

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== July 19 WikiWednesday + New York Botanical Garden Edit-a-thon (July 29) ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|July 19: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/July 2023|WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce]]
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[[File:Prime Produce 2023 jeh.jpg|thumb|WikiWednesday is back in Manhattan!]]
You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/July 2023|WikiWednesday Salon]]''', with in-person at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], as well as an online-based participation option. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome!

We are proud to announce that monthly free food has returned!

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. Prime Produce encourages the wearing of masks when indoors, and especially be mindful of those in your proximity.

*Wednesday July 19 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/July 2023|WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/July 2023#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
::''7:00 pm - 8:00 pm ''
:: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
:: Also online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]
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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|July 29: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/NYBG July 2023|NYBG Environment of the Bronx Edit-a-thon!]]
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[[File:NYBG_Editathon_flyer_July_2023.jpg|thumb|Flyer for the NYBG event]]
You are also invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our [[:Category:New York Botanical Garden meetups|9th Editathon]] with the New York Botanical Gardens! Attendees familiar with editing Wikipedia can edit off of a worklist focused on the [[Environment of New York City|environment of New York City]]; as well as, a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City/Environment Task Force/Bronx|sub-list focused on the environment of the Bronx]]. Additionally, [[LuEsther T. Mertz Library]] will pull topical media from their collection to assist the editing. You can also learn more and RSVP on the [https://www.nybg.org/event/wikipedia-environment-of-the-bronx-edit-a-thon/ NYBG website here].

Bring your own laptop if you can, the Library can only provide laptops on a first-come, first-served basis. Entrance to the Library is free; when you arrive, alert Security that you are here for the event. Please enter through the Mosholu Entrance at 2950 Southern Boulevard.
* Saturday July 29 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/NYBG July 2023|NYBG Environment of the Bronx Edit-a-thon]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/NYBG July 2023#Attendees|RSVP on-wiki]])'''
::''12:00pm - 3:00pm''
:: (Mertz Library at the [[New York Botanical Garden]], Bronx)
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== WikiWednesday (Aug 23) and Governors Island Wiki-Picnic (Sun Aug 27) ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|August 23: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/August 2023|WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce]]
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[[File:Prime Produce 2023 jeh.jpg|thumb|WikiWednesday in Manhattan]]
You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/August 2023|WikiWednesday Salon]]''', with in-person at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], as well as an online-based participation option. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome!

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person, you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate. 

*Wednesday, August 23 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/August 2023|WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/August 2023#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''6:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (Open Hour)
*:''7:00 pm – 9:00 pm'' (Wiki Salon)
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
*: Also online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]
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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|August 27: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|Annual NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island]]
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[[File:Wiki World's Fair Island 96.JPG|thumb|right|Group photo from 2012 Governors Island Wiknic]]

Additionally, you are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|the picnic anyone can edit]]''' on [[Governors Island]], at Colonel's Row by [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house, as part of the [[Wikipedia:Wiknic|Great North American Wiknic]] celebrations (and [[wikimania:2023:Wikimania|Wikimania]] satellite events) being held across the continent.

This is the first big summer Wiknic since [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2019|the 2019 edition]] and will feature an edit-a-thon focused on Governors Island and ArtCrawl Harlem, [[Depths of Wikipedia]] (recently of [[perpetual stew]] fame), as well as [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink|plenty more food topics]] drawing on the potluck ethos. All are welcome, new and experienced!

* Sunday, August 27, 2023 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|Annual NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''2:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (come by any time!)
*:Wiknic Discussion Groups: ''3:00 pm – 3:30 pm'' (session A); ''5:00 pm – 5:30 pm'' (session B)
*:Picnic site: [[Governors Island]], 406b Colonel's Row by [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house. Reach the island by the [https://www.govisland.com/plan-your-visit/ferry Governors Island Ferry].

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]], and don't forget your sunscreen!

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== Sunday: NYC Wiki-Picnic @ Gov Island ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|August 27: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|Annual NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island]]
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[[File:Wiki World's Fair Island 96.JPG|thumb|right|Group photo from 2012 Governors Island Wiknic]]

You are invited to the '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|Annual NYC Wiknic, "the picnic anyone can edit"]]''' on [[Governors Island]], at Colonel's Row by [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house, as part of the [[Wikipedia:Wiknic|Great North American Wiknic]] celebrations (and [[wikimania:2023:Wikimania|Wikimania]] satellite events) being held across the continent.

This is the first summer Wiknic since [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2019|the 2019 edition]] and will feature an edit-a-thon focused Governors Island and ArtCrawl Harlem, [[Depths of Wikipedia]] and [[perpetual stew]], as well as plenty more food. All are welcome, new and experienced!

* Sunday, August 27, 2023 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|Annual NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''2:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (come by any time!)
*:Wiknic Discussion Groups: ''3:00 pm – 3:30 pm'' (session A); ''5:00 pm – 5:30 pm'' (session B)
*:Picnic site: [[Governors Island]], 406b Colonel's Row by [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house. Reach the island by the [https://www.govisland.com/plan-your-visit/ferry Governors Island Ferry].

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]], and don't forget your sunscreen!

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== Sep 20: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election Meeting ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|September 20: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2023|Annual Election & Members Meeting]]
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[[File:Wikimedia_New_York_City_logo.svg|200px|right]]
You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2023|Annual Election & Members Meeting]]''', with in-person at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], as well as an online-based participation option. 

The Members' Meeting is similar to other WikiWednesday meetups, except that its primary function is to elect a new Board of Directors. We will elect five board seats. After being elected, those elected can potentially appoint more seats. We will also have a '''fun WikiWednesday'''!

Election info:
* To run for election or to vote, you must be a dues-paying member of Wikimedia New York City, having renewed in the past 12 months.
* Voting will be both online, via emailed ballots from the ElectionBuddy service, and in-person.
* The poll will be open for the 48 hours between 8pm EDT on September 18 and 8pm EDT on September 20.
* For additional information, please consult the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2023#Election FAQ|Election FAQ]].

Meeting info:
*Wednesday, September 20 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2023|Annual Election & Members Meeting]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2023#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''6:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (Open Hour)
*:''7:00 pm – 9:00 pm'' (Wiki Salon)
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
*: Also online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person, you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate.

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== Sun Oct 1: NYC Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023 ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|October 1: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hispanic-Latinx Heritage Month 2023|Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023: Edit-a-thon!]]
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[[File:3 new editors at WikiArte MoMA 2016 Oct jeh.jpg|thumb|right]]
You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hispanic-Latinx Heritage Month 2023|Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023: Edit-a-thon!]]''', with in-person at [https://www.primeproduce.coop/guildhall Prime Produce Guild Hall] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. 

It is being held in the middle of [[National Hispanic Heritage Month (United States)|National Hispanic Heritage Month]] (Sep 15–Oct 15). 

Some past local [[edit-a-thon]]s touching on this area have included the two editions of [[Wikipedia:Meetup/WikiArte]] at MoMA in 2015-16, and the [[m:Translat-a-thon/NYC/2023|CUNY LaGuardia translat-a-thons]] held annually since 2018.

Meeting info:
*Sunday, October 1 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hispanic-Latinx Heritage Month 2023|Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023: Edit-a-thon!]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hispanic-Latinx Heritage Month 2023#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''1:00 pm – 5:00 pm''
*: ([https://www.primeproduce.coop/guildhall Prime Produce Guild Hall], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
*:''Alternatively, [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wiki-edit-a-thon-for-hispaniclatinx-heritage-month-tickets-723685802717 you can sign up for the edit-a-thon on Eventbrite].''

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. In addition, to participate in person, you should be vaccinated and also be sure to respect others' personal space, and we may limit overall attendance size if appropriate.

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== Always precious ==
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Ten years ago, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious#{{BASEPAGENAME}}|you]] were found precious. That's what you are, always. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 06:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Gerda Arendt}} I have always found this quite cryptic. Care to explain? [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 03:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
:: not really - best wishes --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

== Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York (Oct 21–22) and Wikidata Day (Oct 29) ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|October 21–22: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki.NYC Pavilion|Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York @ Prime Produce]]
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[[File:Prime Produce 2023 jeh.jpg|thumb|Prime Produce]]
You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki.NYC Pavilion|Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. [https://ohny.org/place/wiki-nyc-pavilion-prime-produce-guild-hall/ The event] will feature several interactive exhibits highlighting the "wiki way" for New York City

*Saturday, October 21 & Sunday, October 22 '''([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki.NYC Pavilion#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''10:00 am – 6:30 pm'' (come by any time, either or both days!)
*:[https://www.primeproduce.coop/guildhall Prime Produce Guild Hall], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|October 29: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2023|Wikidata Day in New York City]]
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[[File:2023_Wikidata_Day_NYC_flyer_blue.png|thumb|right|2023 Wikidata Day NYC flyer]]

Additionally, you are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2023|Wikidata Day in New York City]]''' at [[Butler Library]], [[Columbia University]], in celebration of [[Wikidata]]'s 11th birthday. This coincides with the online/global [[d:Wikidata:WikidataCon 2023|WikidataCon 2023]] and is a sequel to [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day|Wikidata Day 2022]]. The event will feature a Harlem Arts & Culture edit-a-thon, spotlight sessions, lightning talks, and cake!

* Sunday, October 29, 2023 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2023|Wikidata Day in New York City]] ([https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikidata-day-nyc-2023-tickets-735689496087 RSVP required on Eventbrite] and optional [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2023#Sign up|on-wiki]])'''.
*:''11:00 am – 5:15 pm''
*:[[Butler Library]] (Room 203), 535 West 114th Street, [[Morningside Heights]]
*:RSVP off-wiki is '''required'''!
*:See the event page for a tentative schedule.

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[[Real Property Actions and Proceedings Law]] (RPAPL) is at [https://hdl.handle.net/2027/uc1.b4378117?urlappend=%3Bseq=846%3Bownerid=9007199266306404-890 chapter 142 of the laws of 1962] pages 826 et seq. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 19:59, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

In 1848 the NY legislature created the Justices and Police Courts in the City of New York. (Chapter 153 of the Laws of 1848, § 7, pages 249-250.) They were called a "police justice" or "special justice" by the acts of 1832-1835-1838, originally "special justice" in the 1798 act. Police justices, like county justices of the peace, had the power to hold courts of sessions. (Chapter 446 of the Laws of 1857, § 48, page 890.) By the Act of 1812 they had the criminal powers of the justices of the peace.

In 1848 the NY legislature also created the [[District Courts of Justices]], replacing the civil functions of the assistant justices. (Chapter 153 of the Laws of 1848, pages 249-250, §7.)

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== Nov 15: WikiWednesday Salon + Wikimedia NYC Executive Director job ==

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*Thursday, January 4 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night January 2024|Hacking Night @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Night January 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
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The special focus this year will be [[Artificial intelligence in Wikimedia projects]].

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== Thu Feb 8 NYC Hacking Night + Feb 21 WikiWednesday ==

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== February 2024 ==

[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=Stop icon]] You may be '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] without further warning''' the next time you violate Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point of view policy]] by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you did  at [[:Harold E. Puthoff]]. ''Please remind yourself of what [[WP:FRINGE]] says. You've been here long enough to know that you are looking at sanctions if you continue in the direction you are heading.''<!-- Template:uw-npov4 --> [[User:ජපස|jps]] ([[User talk:ජපස|talk]]) 21:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history at [[:Harold E. Puthoff]] shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about [[WP:EPTALK|how this is done]]. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. 

'''Being involved in an edit war can result in you being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''&mdash;especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period.  Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert.  Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;'''even if you do not violate the three-revert rule'''&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 22:03, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
:{{Reply to|Doug Weller}} If you have or are editing in this space, you should remove yourself from this. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 22:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
::That's not the way it works.   [[WP:INVOLVED]] says "One important caveat is that an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, or whose prior involvements are minor or obvious edits that do not show bias, is not involved and is not prevented from acting in an administrative capacity in relation to that editor or topic area. Warnings, calm and reasonable discussion and explanation of those warnings, advice about community norms, and suggestions on possible wordings and approaches do not make an administrator involved.
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== Introduction to contentious topics deux ==
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:{{Reply to|Acroterion}} Hello. We understand you're into woo woo and magic tricks, but you should pay more attention to your work. A cursory glance at my [https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Int21h XTools Edit Counter] shows my ninth-most common mainspace talk page edits is the [[State of Palestine]], which is indeed a contentious topic. (My mainspace edits to that article are still there a decade later.) Whereas most your edits are blabbing on user talk pages, probably not unlike your above. Stop annoying people and contribute. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 15:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC) [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 15:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
::Admittedly you have a lot of edits, but mostly on conspiracy theory stuff with a full ''ten percent'' of your edits being outright reverted. I wonder how much of the rest survived? (Mine is less than a percent, and a significant percent of those reverts are on this one article, in the last couple weeks.) Nice work on those national parks and the various colors like orange and purple though. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 15:59, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
::Who is "we" here? — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 16:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Who are you? And how did you find my talk page lol? [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 18:14, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
::::Talk pages are public, and I saw the ANI discussion. So, is this account being used by multiple people or are you insinuating something else? — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 20:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::Let me guess: you primarily edit woo woo and magic articles? [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 21:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::More insults, I see. My edits are primarily to keep such nonsense ''out'' of our articles, or to describe pseudoscience as exactly that. Now, would you please answer the question? — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 12:50, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Will you answer my question: you primarily edit woo woo and magic articles? [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 04:19, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
::Who is "we"? You, singlular or plural, are warned for repeated personal attacks. Repeating them against whoever engages you does not make them involved or immunize you from editing restrictions. You asked for administrator attention, and you have it. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 18:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Personal attacks? 😂 [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 18:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
::::{{Reply to|Acroterion}} If you do not withdraw or clarify this accusation, I intend to make a big deal about it. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 02:37, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Int21h|Int21h]] That will be amusing.  I look forward to seeing what you do. But I advise against it. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 08:07, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::@Int21h, you know the way to ANI. You have engaged in a consistent pattern of slighting and belittling comments about editors you've encountered, particularly with the "woo woo magic" catchphrase you keep repeating [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1207150489] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Int21h&diff=prev&oldid=1207342456] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Int21h&diff=prev&oldid=1207443647] and attempts at deflection [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Int21h&diff=prev&oldid=1207394790] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Int21h&diff=prev&oldid=1207348403] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1207451237] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Int21h&diff=prev&oldid=1207390156] 
:::::Editors and administrators are not obligated to justify warnings and sanctions to ''your'' specification or satisfaction.
:::::In your tenure on Wikipedia you've probably encountered the phrase "comment on content, not on contributors." Now is the time to take that seriously. Stop treating other editors with contempt. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 13:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 07:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Since you (I am using "you" in the singular sense, since you've never answered about the "we") appear to be having trouble interpreting the Xtools edit counter, I have a few observations on how to interpret the tool:
::::::*Deleted contributions are not the same as reverted contributions. A look at my deleted contributions (handily linked in the counter tool [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special%3ADeletedContributions%2FAcroterion]) will show a lot of article development edits in userspace, which are deleted once they go live in article space. [[Hoosier Slide]] is alive and well in article space, for instance, and was a DYK article, with 15 developmental edits in userspace, which I deleted once the article was suitable for article space. There are also a lot of deletion tags from the days before draft space and edit filters, which, in the course of normal practice, get deleted. Some also get revision-deleted by me or other administrators after reverting defamation when they must still be removed from an edit history. 
::::::*''Reverted'' edits are an entirely different thing, and aren't described by the edit counter. Most heavily-edited articles change over time.
::::::*I've created 2130 articles [https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/en.wikipedia.org/Acroterion/all#0] You can look and see if they measure up to your standards. I've got a handy link on my userpage: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Acroterion/New_articles]. It also contains links to existing articles that I've greatly expanded, such as [[Red-shouldered blackbird]], which I was inspired to do after I heard the closely-related [[red-winged blackbird]]s outside singing, taking the article from a bot-generated stub of 1143 bytes with one reference to 10,055 bytes with 11 references by translating and adapting the very nice corresponding Spanish language article, using a userspace draft and then deleting all of the intermediate formatting clutter
::::::*Anybody who has been through FA and GA review will tell you that it's a time-consuming and intense process requiring patience and an ability to take criticism constructively. There probably is somebody else who's contributed an FA, GAs ''and'' an FP, but I haven't found them yet.
::::::*An interesting note: [[Orange (colour)]] is a perennial target of naive editors who don't know that there are two ways to spell "color." It's a good opportunity to educate people, which I appear to have done 142 times.
::::::*As for what you politely call "blabbing on talkpages;" It's what's expected of administrators, whether other editors think it's important or not. We warn, we discuss, and we explain. We also deal with Nazis, cranks, axe-grinders, scammers, spammers and all manner of tiresome people so productive editors don't have to. 
:::::::So when you feel tempted to make comparisons with other editors, or to assert that one editor is better and more valuable than another based on your perceptions, please consider that you might not be seeing the entire picture, and that it's poor form to approach other editors in that manner. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 21:01, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I must say, the editors into this woo woo magic stuff are impressively dedicated, as are the admins who implicitly and explicitly support their ''BLP vio'' and other disruptive conduct (on the thinnest of excuses). And I must say, I was mistaken to have spoken (written) without noticing your edit count, which is indeed also impressive. I look forward to bringing my own articles to such status, but alas, more editors prefer to edit articles about colors and birds and the like. I also lament that editors resort to reflexive, uninformed (and often lazy), counterproductive, and superfluous interruptions that disrupt productive editors. Your technical notes on my comments are well taken; I hope my substantive comments here and elsewhere are so reciprocally taken. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 04:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Please see [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]]. I'm baffled that someone with some experience, as you have, would pick this kind of a fight with an administrator. You may have made substantive comments elsewhere, but not here, and there are few admins who are as productive as Acroterion. I'm not going to bore an experienced editor like you with a templated warning for personal attacks, but I trust you understand what I am saying when I say, enough already. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 22:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::This is my talk page and is an aside to my other edits. Substantive comments are mostly ''alluded'' to here, to the discussions that brought them here. Here I am annoyed by a superfluous "introduction" originally given by an editor I complained about on ANI, literally on the same topic. That's lazy ''at least''. If you don't know about these other discussions, how did you find your way here? [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 01:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::And to be explicit, their administrator status holds them to a higher standard, it provides no deference. But when admins abuse (or threaten to abuse) their admin rights, it implicate the entire admin corps that have constructive knowledge, and all editors are all harmed. Apparently, only some of us do something. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 02:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Wiktionary covers "we" well enough. And oddly enough, it looks like you probably have annoyed the plural we. You've racked up quite a bit of talk page edits! Congrats? [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 18:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
:::But hey maybe we can get past this. You can pick a conspiracy theory, park, historical event or location, or color (mainspace, that we both care about) and help get the article cleaned up, and I can help clean up some of the wikilinked government and law articles. (We should maybe keep away from science-y articles at this point.) Cooperative and productive! And I can hopefully avoid a third "introduction" section on my talk page. [[User:Int21h|int21h]] ([[User talk:Int21h|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Int21h|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Int21h|email]]) 20:51, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

== Tue March 5: Wiki Gala NYC ==

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This is a sequel to the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/March 2023|March 2023 Grand Central Salon]] and the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Brunch|March 2022 Wiki-Tent Brunch]].

The event will feature lightning talks and a Wiki-fashion show, for which you are encouraged to dress in your finest [[commons:Category:Wikimedia_clothing|Wikimedia clothing]] and accessories (bags, buttons, even books), or clothing connected to the topics you edit on wiki projects. 

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== WikiNYC: 3/14 Hacking Night + 3/16 Queens Name Explorer ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/April 2024|WikiWednesday Salon]]''', with in-person at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], as well as an online-based participation option. 

Among the topics, we'll be covering the [[m:Movement Charter#Current drafts|newly-released drafts of the Movement Charter]] for Wikimedia global governance.

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*Wednesday, April 10 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/April 2024|WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/April 2024#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''6:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (Open Hour)
*:''7:00 pm – 9:00 pm'' (Wiki Salon)
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Additionally, you are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/City Tech Library 2024|City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon]]''' at the [[New York City College of Technology]] Library in Downtown Brooklyn! Join us in person on April 11th to learn about these great new materials at City Tech Library; to learn about editing Wikipedia; and to help increase representation of LGBTQIA individuals and issues online. All are welcome, new and experienced!

Interested in attending, but not a CUNY student or faculty? Please get in touch; we'll help you navigate City Tech building security. Email Jen: jennifer.hoyer18 (at) citytech.cuny.edu.

* Thursday, April 11 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/City Tech Library 2024|City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/City Tech Library 2024#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''12:30 pm – 3:30 pm'' (come by any time!)
*:''4:00 pm – 5:00 pm'' (reception to celebrate the library's LGBTQIA collection)
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== Thu April 25: WikiNYC Hacking Night ==

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== May 8: WikiWednesday Salon with new Executive Director ==

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This special WikiWednesday will feature a welcome session and beginning of a listening tour by the newly appointed [[executive director]] of Wikimedia NYC, the first staff member leading our local non-profit.

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== June 2: Hacking Sunday (+preview of June 8 Wiknic) ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Sunday|Hacking Sunday]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]]. It is intended primarily for technical contributors, though newcomers are welcome as well! The event runs for the whole day, though you are welcome to come by for as little or as long as you'd like.

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]] and Wikimedia's [[mw:Code of Conduct|Technical Code of Conduct]].

A documentary filmmaker will be in attendance, working on ''Rabbit Hole'', which aims to document Wikipedia's community to showcase how our network tackles important questions about how history is recorded. They will be in attendance to film snippets of this gathering for the documentary. It is completely optional to be a part of the film and there will be protocols in place if you wish to not be filmed. If there are any questions about the filming please reach out to the filmmaker, Meg Vatterott (meg.vatterott@gmail.com). 

Meeting info:
*Suunday, June 2 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Sunday|Hacking Sunday @ Prime Produce]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Hacking Sunday#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''9:00 am – 8:00 pm''
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<big>P.S. Next up will be '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic June 2024|Sat June 8 Wiknic on Governors Island]]!'''</big>
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== Sat June 8: Governors Island Wiknic ==

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You are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic June 2024|the picnic anyone can edit]]''' on [[Governors Island]], at 403 Colonels Row by the [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house. 

This is a sequel event to [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2023|the 2023 Governors Island Wiknic]] and will feature a workshop led by [[AfroCrowd]] at the ArtCrawl Harlem house. We'll also encourage collaboration for wiki-coverage of ArtCrawl Harlem's current exhibition at Governors Island. 
All are welcome, new and experienced!

Bring a picnic blanket and some [[potluck]], as well as some sunscreen! We'll also provide sandwiches for everyone, and maybe some NYC pizza too, but we encourage you to bring your own favorite dishes to share, especially for those [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink|food cultural topics]] you would like to improve on Wikipedia. 

We'll also [[New York–Dublin Portal|do a portal thing]] for a bit with West Coast friends at [[Wikipedia:Meetup/LA/Wiknic2024]].

'''Saturday, June 8, 2024 [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic June 2024|NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic June 2024#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''
* '''Time:''' 12:30–7:00 pm ''(come by any time!)''
* '''Demystifying AI for Creatives: A Wiki and Media Workshop:''' 2:30–5:00 pm (indoor presentation led by [[AfroCrowd]] and [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]])
* '''Location:''' [[Governors Island]] (picnic site: 403 Colonels Row by [[d:Q121222037|ArtCrawl Harlem]] house). Reach the island by the [https://www.govisland.com/plan-your-visit/ferry Governors Island Ferry].

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

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== June 26: ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|June 26: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2024|ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC]]
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[[File:Welcome to Wikimedia New York City.webm|thumb|100px|thumbtime=205|Welcome to Wikimedia New York City!]]
You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2024|Online-Only WikiWednesday Salon]]''' on Zoom. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome! 

This special online-only WikiWednesday will be dedicated to the [[m:Movement Charter|Wikimedia Movement Charter]] referendum, and also to exploring future options of other online-centric events for our Wikimedia NYC chapter.

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]]. 
Meeting info:
*Wednesday, June 26 ''' [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2024|ONLINE WikiWednesday Salon NYC]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/June 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''7:00 pm – 8:30 pm''
*: '''Not in-person this month'''
*: Online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]
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== Fri July 19: Wikicurious in NYC, Editing Wikipedia for Beginners ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|July 19: [[meta:Event:Wikicurious WikiNYC Civic Hall|Wikicurious: Editing Wikipedia for Beginners @ Civic Hall]]
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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for the inaugural event of the beginner-focused Wikicurious series at [[Civic Hall at Union Square|Civic Hall]]! All are welcome, and newcomers and aspiring editors are especially encouraged to attend.

'''Registration via [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikicurious-editing-wikipedia-for-beginners-tickets-929793225567 Eventbrite] is required''' for building entry, and is also encouraged on [[meta:Event:Wikicurious WikiNYC Civic Hall|the event page on Meta]].

The Wikicurious series at Civic Hall is supported by [[Craig_Newmark#Philanthropy|Craig Newmark Philanthropies]]. Wikimedia NYC is an official affiliate and supported by the [[meta:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]].

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

Meeting info:
* '''Date:''' Friday, July 19, 2024
* '''Time:''' 3:00–8:00 p.m.
* '''Location:''' [[w:Civic Hall at Union Square|Civic Hall]] 124 East 14th Street, Floor [''TBD''], New York, NY 
* '''Equipment:''' Please bring your own computer. We are not yet able to provide loaner laptops.
* '''Eventbrite RSVP:''' https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikicurious-editing-wikipedia-for-beginners-tickets-929793225567
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== Sat August 24: Roosevelt Island Wiknic ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|August 24: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic August 2024|Wiknic @ Roosevelt Island]]
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[[File:Wiknic New York July 2019 006.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1|2019 Wiknic group photo, last time we held it on Roosevelt Island]]
You are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic August 2024|the picnic anyone can edit]]''' on [[Roosevelt Island]], at Southpoint Park. 

Following up on [[wikimania:2024:Wikimania|this month's Wikimania in Poland]], this Wiknic will have as guest of honor [[User:DerHexer]], the [[Wikimedian of the Year#Wikimedia Laureate (formerly 20th Year Honouree)|2024 Wikimedia Laureate of the Year]], marking his triumphant North American tour! 

Bring a picnic blanket and some [[potluck]], as well as some sunscreen! We'll also provide a little something for everyone, but we encourage you to bring your own favorite dishes to share, especially for those [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink|food cultural topics]] you would like to improve on Wikipedia. 

We'll also [[New York–Dublin Portal|do a portal thing]] for a bit with West Coast friends at the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/LA/Manhattan Beach Edit-a-thon|WikiLA ocean life edit-a-thon]].

All are welcome, new and experienced!

'''Saturday, August 24, 2024 [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic August 2024|NYC Wiknic @ Roosevelt Island]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic August 2024#Sign up|RSVP on-wiki]])'''
* '''Time:''' 2:00 - 7:00 pm ''(come by any time!)''
*'''[[Salon (gathering)|Salon-style]] Discussions:''' 3:00 pm - 3:30 pm (session A) 5:00 pm - 5:30 pm (session B)
* '''Location:''' [[Roosevelt Island]] (Southpoint Park, look for our Wikipedia/Wikimedia NYC banner).

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

*See also upcoming events in September and October at [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC]].
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== Sep 25: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election Meeting (plus Latin music event on Sep 21!) ==

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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for our '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2024|Annual Election & Members Meeting]]''', with in-person at [[Prime Produce]] in [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]], as well as an online-based participation option. 

The Members' Meeting is similar to other WikiWednesday meetups, except that its primary function is to elect a new Board of Directors. We will elect three board seats, half of the elected seats on the board. After being elected, those elected can potentially appoint more seats.

We will also focus on the Wikimedia NYC Strategic Plan, our Financial Report, and Annual and Monthly event teams for the coming year.

Election info:
* To run for election or to vote, you must be a dues-paying member of Wikimedia New York City, having renewed in the past 12 months.
* Voting will be both online, via emailed ballots from the ElectionBuddy service, and in-person.
* The poll will be open for the 48 hours between 8pm EDT on September 23 and 8pm EDT on September 25.
* For additional information, please consult the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2024#Election FAQ|Election FAQ]].

Meeting info:
*Wednesday, September 25 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2024|Annual Election & Members Meeting]] ([[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2024#Sign up|optional RSVP on-wiki]])'''.
*:''6:00 pm – 7:00 pm'' (Open Hour)
*:''7:00 pm – 9:00 pm'' (Wiki Salon)
*: ([[Prime Produce]], [[Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan]])
*: Also online via [https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85212519478 Zoom]

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

<big>P.S. Also upcoming just before our annual meeting is the Latin music edit-a-thon, [[m:Event:Wikicurious - Editing to the Beat|Wikicurious: Editing to the Beat]] ([https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikicurious-editing-to-the-beat-tickets-1009115641047 RSVP at Eventbrite]), on Saturday September 21!
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== Sep 21: Wikicurious for Latin Music: Editing to the Beat ♫ ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|Sat Sep 21: [[meta:Event:Wikicurious - Editing to the Beat|Wikicurious - Editing to the Beat ♫ @ Lehman College]]
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You are invited to join the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|Wikimedia NYC]] community for the "Editing to the Beat" event of the beginner-focused Wikicurious series at [[Lehman College]]. This is the second event of the series, following the [[meta:Event:Wikicurious WikiNYC Civic Hall|inaugural event]] at Civic Hall in July. Led by a '''9-person live band demonstrating Caribbean and Latin musical genres''', we'll engage with efforts such as [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Latin music|WikiProject Latin Music]], and will encourage editing on both English and Spanish Wikipedia. All are welcome, and newcomers and aspiring editors are especially encouraged to attend. Registration via [https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikicurious-editing-to-the-beat-tickets-1009115641047 Eventbrite] is '''required''' for building entry, and is also encouraged on '''[[meta:Event:Wikicurious - Editing to the Beat|the event page on Meta]]'''.

The Wikicurious series is supported by [[Craig_Newmark#Philanthropy|Craig Newmark Philanthropies]]. Wikimedia NYC is an official affiliate and supported by the [[meta:Wikimedia Foundation|Wikimedia Foundation]]. Also supporting this event are Equis, The Celia Cruz Foundation, and the International Museum of Salsa. In association with WikiCari and AfroCrowd.

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

Meeting info:
* '''Date:''' Saturday, September 21, 2024
* '''Time:''' 1:00–7:00 p.m.
* '''Location:''' [[Lehman College]] (CUNY) 250 Bedford Park Blvd W, Bronx, NY
* '''Equipment:''' Please bring your own computer. We are not yet able to provide loaner laptops.
* '''Eventbrite RSVP:''' https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikicurious-editing-to-the-beat-tickets-1009115641047
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<big>P.S. Upcoming WikiNYC meetups:</big>
*Wed Sep 25: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Election 2024|Wikimedia NYC Annual Election/Members Meeting 2024]]!
*Sat Oct 26: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2024|Wikidata Day 2024]]!

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== Oct 26: Wikidata Day NYC ==

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!colspan=2 style="font-size:150%; padding: .4em;"|October 26: [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2024|Wikidata Day in New York City]]
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[[File:WikiData Day Graphic.jpg|thumb|right|2024 Wikidata Day NYC flyer]]

You are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2024|Wikidata Day in New York City]]''' at [[Pratt Institute School of Information]] in Manhattan, in celebration of [[Wikidata]]'s 12th birthday. This event, held by our chapter in collaboration with Pratt and [[Girls Who Code]], will be our third annual celebration of Wikidata Day. It will feature spotlight sessions, lightning talks, and the customary Wiki-cake, while those unable to attend in person will be able to watch a livestream.

All attendees are subject to Wikimedia NYC's [[meta:Wikimedia New York City/Code of Conduct|Code of Conduct]].

* Saturday, October 26, 2024 '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2024|Wikidata Day in New York City]]''' ('''[https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikidata-day-2024-tickets-1034373879117 Eventbrite RSVP is required]''' and also optionally [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikidata Day 2024#Sign up|on-wiki]]).
*:''11:00 am – 5:00 pm''
*:Pratt Manhattan (rooms 201 and 214), 144 W 14th Street
*:RSVP off-wiki is '''required''' for building entry!

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== Invitation to participate in a research ==

Hello,

The Wikimedia Foundation is conducting a survey of Wikipedians to better understand what draws administrators to contribute to Wikipedia, and what affects administrator retention. We will use this research to improve experiences for Wikipedians, and address common problems and needs. We have identified you as a good candidate for this research, and would greatly appreciate your participation in this '''[https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/962595?lang=en anonymous survey]'''.

You do not have to be an Administrator to participate.

The survey should take around 10-15 minutes to complete. You may read more about the study on its [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Research:Wikipedia Administrator Recruitment, Retention, and Attrition|Meta page]] and view its [[wmf:Special:MyLanguage/Legal:Administrator Experiences 2024 Survey Privacy Statement|privacy statement]] .

Please find our contact on the project Meta page if you have any questions or concerns.

Kind Regards,

[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Research|WMF Research Team]]

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== November 22 + 26: Free Culture Friday and Wikicurious photo event! ==

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You are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Free Culture Friday|Foundation and Friends' Free Culture Friday]]''' at [[Prime Produce]] on Friday, November 22. This event will feature a reception with [[Wikimedia Foundation]] staff in the afternoon, followed by a more informal salon and game night, utilizing Prime Produce's vast collection of [[board game]]s. No experience of anything at all is required. All are welcome! 

* Friday, November 22, 2024
*:''1:30 pm – 7:00 pm''
*:Prime Produce, 424 W 54th St

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[[File:Jefferson market crop.jpg|thumb|right|upright=0.5|Jefferson Market Library]]

You are also invited to '''[[meta:Event:Wikicurious - Capturing the Moment|Wikicurious: Capturing the Moment]]''', the third event of the beginner-focused Wikicurious series, at [[Jefferson Market Library]] on Tuesday, November 26, in collaboration with [https://www.wikiportraits.org/ WikiPortraits] and [[meta:AfroCROWD User Group|AfroCROWD]]. All are welcome to attend, especially those interested in [[photography]] or contributing to [[Wikimedia Commons]]. We will explore the art of capturing the moment through photography and learn the basics of Wikimedia Commons, and (weather-permitting) we are also planning a photo walk, so bring your camera (or use your smartphone)! 

* Tuesday, November 26, 2024
*:''3:00 pm – 8:00 pm''
*:Jefferson Market Library, 425 6th Ave
*:[https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikicurious-capturing-the-moment-tickets-1074512217969 RSVP on Eventbrite] is '''required''' for event entry!

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