Talk:Erling Haaland

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2024 - Change Haaland from 194cm & 6'4 to 195cm & 6'5 because theres a video of him getting measured by City's medical team as 6'5 when he did his medical as a City player. It's on YouTube and I attached it here too

Haaland got measured at City as 195.2cm yet you guys have listed him as 194cm. Here's the link to prove it: https://youtube/mVX3wPFl3q4?si=TXUohbf30rxIM1Ai

You guys need to change Haaland from 6'4 & 194cm to 6'5 and 195cm because hes 6'5. Search it up and watch the YouTube video of City's medics measuring Haaland as 6'5 Chapped two (talk) 03:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Geardona (talk to me?) 18:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

The 1.Mio Euro Car preowned by Erling Haaland

In addition to his "Personal Life" - in Germany you can buy Erling Haalands ex. GLS 63 AMG for 1 Mio. Euro ;-)

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=371170064 Adamka1506 (talk) 23:59, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

See WP:NOTNEWS. TylerBurden (talk) 22:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Erling has scored 73 goals for city 64.43.14.222 (talk) 14:22, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Help me

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Please help me with... Why is Bryne 2 and Molde 2 added as part of Erling Haaland's senior career when they are both academy of Molde and Bryne? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erling_Haaland&oldid=1208852741 Dbumblebee (talk) 18:44, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024

Change Molde 2 and Bryne 2 for his senior career to his youth career as they are both academy teams of Molde and Bryne and shouldn't be listed as part of his senior career. Dbumblebee (talk) 23:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Geardona (talk to me?) 23:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Honours

FIFA Club World Cup 24 not listed under Haaland Manchester City tites 2003:C4:574D:6D93:A878:2BA4:698F:1C51 (talk) 19:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's missing, but it is 2023 FIFA Club World Cup, not 2024. Some guys who think they are smart will say that he did not played in this competition, but it does not matter, as Haaland is a player of the team (Manchester City) that won the competition. 93.34.90.249 (talk) 07:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Wording about tying Harry Kane with 8 PL hat-tricks

Hello, I noted that Haaland has matched Kane with 8 Premier League hat-tricks. I noted this because Kane was the active player with the most PL hat-tricks until Haaland matched him following the 31 August 2024 match against West Ham United. I feel like I worded it really awkwardly and it may not be important enough to keep in the article, and if it is, should when Haaland tied/surpassed Raheem Sterling as the active PL player with the most hat-tricks also be mentioned? Thanks. Raskuly (talk) 19:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Why is the IPA in east norwegian?

Haaland is from bryne in the south, why does the article use a transcription of a dialect other then his own, it does'nt make sense when Haaland does'nt speak any form of east norwegian. Herman Mortensen (talk) 18:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sol505000 Hello, you are the one that added the IPA, so any input here? TylerBurden (talk) 20:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

See MOS:IPAINTEGRITY. The IPA must be in East Norwegian, if you can transcribe his local dialect you can put it here as well, but not instead the Urban East Norwegian IPA. Sol505000 (talk) 21:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sol505000 Hey, can you not also interpret it as saying it's corect to use bryne dialect if this is clarified?

"Transcriptions should always have a label identifying which language they are transcribing, with the exception of English. They are normally given in the national or international standard of the language in question, unless there is a reason to give a more local pronunciation. For example, the Help:IPA/Spanish key generally uses Castilian Spanish as its standard, for Venezuela [beneˈθwela], but the local pronunciation of [beneˈswela] may be considered more relevant. If a local pronunciation is transcribed, it should be marked as such"

I would argue that Haalands own local pronunciation is more relevant, specifically in a country that has such a strong tradition for using dialects and where we don't recognise any standard pronunciation. Haaland also uses dialect in writing. Herman Mortensen (talk) 22:16, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

"Again, if the language you're transcribing has such an IPA key, use the conventions of that key. If you wish to change those conventions, bring it up for discussion on the key's talk page. Creating transcriptions unsupported by the key or changing the key so that it no longer conforms to existing transcriptions will confuse readers."

Also, what's the dialectal IPA for his name? I'd expect something very similar to the UEN one. It's the first name that should differ. Sol505000 (talk) 22:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

The best I could come up with was /Æ:ʁliŋ bʁaɯt hɔlaŋ/, i have no confidens in the vowels, but the 'au' sounds indifferent then I, an urban east norwegian speaker, would pronaunse that difthong. And the r is a uvilar fricativ, not alveolar tap; from personal experiense people with a uvilar can't pronounce the alveolar. Herman Mortensen (talk) 23:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot about the middle name. That's also different, sure. Per Forvo, the full IPA for his name in UEN is [ˈæ̂ːlɪŋ ˈbræʉt ˈhòːlɑn] (or [- ˈbrœʉt -], a possible variant in the east. But we follow the guide). I analyzed the tones using Praat (no phonemic tone distinction can occur in monosyllabic words, except in Trøndersk due to apocope). The problem is that his first name doesn't appear in the source (I'm not sure about the middle name), and there's a guy who removes unsourced IPA transcriptions from footballers' bios. Because of this, and because we're not sure how exactly to transcribe the dialectal pronunciation of his name, I'm against including it. It should not be any less complete than the UEN transcription, i.e. the vowel length and tones should be correctly transcribed, not just the R's or one diphthong. It's not enough. Also, is final -nd velar in Bryne?

The correct dialectal IPA could be something like [ˈæ̂ːʁlɪŋ ˈbʁaʊt ˈhòːlan], but that's only my guess. I have no idea whether the tones (phonetically and especially their distribution, i.e. in which words they appear) are the same as in UEN, or whether the vowels are exactly the same (/ɪ/ could indeed be closer to [i], and /oː/ could be [ɔː]). I could analyze a native Bryne pronunciation of the name if you could link to it (or record it yourself if that's possible), but it'd probably be considered unsourced and removed by that overzealous guy. On the one hand, I understand his POV, but on the other deleting the IPA is awfully disrespectful to the time and energy of those who put it there in the first place. It's doing more damage than good. Sol505000 (talk) 15:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

My trancription is very flawed, i will redally admit i am not good at trancribing. I based it of [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvI2WNHzufM Not the best sorce, but the best i founde. If we can't use a relevent IPA transcription, does it even make sense to use IPA even? I am planing to contest the IPA key, but it sames no one can agree on what the rules should be and therfor the status quo stays in place. Herman Mortensen (talk) 18:06, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Nobody said we can't use IPA at all. [ˈæ̂ʌ̯ɫɪŋ ˈbʁɑʊt ˈhɔ̀ːlɐn] is what I hear on that recording. I hear the first vowel in Erling as short, the onset of the diphthong in Braut as back and the second vowel of Haaland as less back and more central, closer to [ɐ]. The stressed vowel in Haaland seems rather open, probably opener than in Oslo. The r in Erling is extremely weak and definitely not a fricative, more like a diphthongization of the preceding [æ]. The /l/ in Erling sounds darker (uvularized/velarized) than in Haaland to me, probably due to the uvular coloring of [æ] spreading to the onset of the next syllable. But it's probably not phonemic, unlike in Urban East Norwegian. The tones seem to be about the same as in Oslo, so is stress and vowel length (to me, he pronounces Haaland with a rather short /oː/, just slightly elongated: [ˈhɔ̀ˑlɐn]. I wouldn't transcribe this detail, though. It's definitely not phonemically short because it either ends the syllable or precedes /l/ which does that. If it were short, it couldn't end a stressed syllable, and /l/ would be long in the second scenario - and it's not.) If this is too detailed, I'd transcribe the name [ˈæ̂ʁlɪŋ ˈbʁɑʊt ˈhɔ̀ːlɑn] instead. It's good enough. Sol505000 (talk) 20:37, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Aaand it's been tagged as unsourced. Told you. Sol505000 (talk) 17:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Bruh. well, that life i guess. Herman Mortensen (talk) 17:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

How about this, we remove the IPA until an actual source can be found for it that isn't a WP:SYNTH YouTube source or similar. This is a WP:BLP and should be held to high standards, and WP:ONUS applies.

Leaving it up to Wikipedia linguists just causes exactly this, debate because at the end of the day it's WP:OR, and there is nothing that says that IPA's are exempt from this, regardless of how much work went into it. Feel free to restore the IPA when you actually have a source that supports the IPA text you are adding and not just an audio source. TylerBurden (talk) 19:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Good luck finding a source for the IPA text. This standard is utterly unreasonable. Don't bother responding as I won't read it, I'm out. Sol505000 (talk) 01:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Then perhaps these IPA's that ya'll keep insisting on plastering onto articles aren't compatible with an encyclopedia based on readers being able to WP:VERIFY content. TylerBurden (talk) 11:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

2023 FIFA Club World Cup

This trophy is missing from his honours. Why is that? 2001:1C04:2A14:500:F598:206:F49E:90FA (talk) 20:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)