Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Igor Bobkov

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The result was delete. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 05:35, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Igor Bobkov

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Non-notable junior hockey player who has not yet established himself to meet notability requirements per WP:NHOCKEY. I am not able to verify claim that he has played in KHL. Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball Dolovis (talk) 16:13, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not notable. --Rita Moritan (talk) 16:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. —Dolovis (talk) 16:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep ~~This source states he played for Metallurg Magnitogorsk, a KHL team. Meets criteria 1 of WP:NHOCKEY.~~ Also meets critieria 4: "Achieved preeminent honours (all-time top ten career scorer, won a major award given by the league, first team all-star, All-American) in a lower minor league" according to the source nominator added: several awards given by junior league.The Interior(Talk) 18:45, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- The 0 under games played indicates he sat on the bench but did not actually play in a game. However, he did play in the Russian Major League. I feel his significant international achievements make him notable however. Grsz 11 21:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, perhaps the KHL connection is shaky. We could consider his Gold at the World Junior Championships a "preeminent honour". I find it a bit odd that selection for a national junior team is not a notability benchmark - these are literally the best amateur players in the world. The Interior(Talk) 00:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - It's not a benchmark because they are only the best amateurs of their age. The World Championships/Olympics are the benchmark because they are the best of any age. (junior players have played at the world championships). Team medals haven't been counted as preeminent honours either, only individual honours so he wouldn't meet through that avenue either. -DJSasso (talk) 14:23, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:37, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- - - - But as I'm sure you're aware, neither the Olympics or W.C. are amateur competitions, the U20 W.C. is the highest-level amateur international comp. But back to the notability reqs., he was "U18 WJC Best Goaltender", which is an individual award. The Interior (Talk) 19:05, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Professional ice hockey players participate in the World Juniors and U18's all the time, just like how amateur players often participate in the Olympics or WC. That's the thing with hockey; there is no defined amateur competition because professionals and amateurs are both always eligible. And NHOCKEY 4 is "Achieved preeminent honours in a lower minor league", keyword league, not tournament. NHOCKEY 4 refers to someone winning an award that was determined over the course of a season, not a week or two-week long tournament. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 19:54, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is a misconception that because professionals compete that they are not amateur competitions. Amateur competitions just means that players are not paid to compete in them. As such both are still amateur because the Olympics don't pay the players to play in them, not do the World Juniors. -DJSasso (talk) 02:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Article is about an athlete who fails his sport's notability guidelines. Xajaso (talk) 22:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails NHOCKEY. Patken4 (talk) 23:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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