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[taffer]

Hi there.

It's been common for several years for teams to use F1 cars from previous seasons disguised using current year's livery in private team shows etc.

While I understand teams can do whatever their want with their material and specially whatever it takes to please their sponsors in what are nothing but publicity events, I actually find it unnecessary and even a bit disrespectful with the historical heritage of those cars, no matter if the change is for good or not.

Should the marketing god always be the one saying the last word ?

And when was this established as common practice ?

[BRG]

I don't know.

 

Personally, I would rather see current F1 cars in old liveries, given that modern liveries are mostly awful. 

[Cornholio]

The worst example I've seen of this was - thanks to the ownership history of the team - a Honda RA108 decked out in Mercedes livery. 

 

Marc Marquez's Toro Rosso test in a V8-era car (I'm guessing Ferrari-powered) with Honda Hybrid logos on the engine cover was pushing it a bit as well.

 

EDIT: Looked it up and the "Toro Rosso" was a Red Bull RB8-Renault, even worse!

Edited by Cornholio, 30 August 2018 - 15:56.

[PayasYouRace]

The teams have little choice. Their current cars aren’t allowed to be run by the regulations, so they have to hang on to those cars for demos and stuff.

The OP is being a little unreasonable. It’s not about marketing gods and historic al value. It’s just about practicality and a coat of paint. When the cars outlive their useful lives they’re usually painted into their “authentic” liveries. But as it is, the cars are still working for the teams, so should run in the current livery.

[BRG]

The worst example I've seen of this was - thanks to the ownership history of the team - a Honda RA108 decked out in Mercedes livery.

There was a F1 car 'exploded' into all its components at Mercedes-Benz World at Brooklands.  Not sure if it is still there.

 

Although in Mercedes colours, I am pretty sure it was an older Honda but with a Merc V8 engine in the display.  A give-away was that the bag tank had 'Property of British-American Racing' stamped on it!

[taffer]

The teams have little choice. Their current cars aren’t allowed to be run by the regulations, so they have to hang on to those cars for demos and stuff.

The OP is being a little unreasonable. It’s not about marketing gods and historic al value. It’s just about practicality and a coat of paint. When the cars outlive their useful lives they’re usually painted into their “authentic” liveries. But as it is, the cars are still working for the teams, so should run in the current livery.

Yep I realize it's a bit unfair from my side and that in the end it's their right to do so in the most practical way, just that sometimes it feels a bit out of place, and it's interesting to know other's view on the matter.

Thx !

Edited by taffer, 30 August 2018 - 19:09.

[scolbourne]

I expect this is partly due to bans on cigarette advertising. Some organisers and TV companies have to obey the countries rules forbidding this advertising. I am not sure how films get around this rule. It seems like advertising cigarettes was very good value for the tobacco companies as they have many years of free advertising, even when this is  banned elsewhere. I am still not sure how Ferrari is allowed to still race in Marlboro's colours, with the advertising owned by Marlboro, even though the name is not mentioned.

 

https://thejudge13.c...18-ferrari-car/

Edited by scolbourne, 01 September 2018 - 06:40.

[PayasYouRace]

I expect this is partly due to bans on cigarette advertising. Some organisers and TV companies have to obey the countries rules forbidding this advertising. I am not sure how films get around this rule. It seems like advertising cigarettes was very good value for the tobacco companies as they have many years of free advertising, even when this is  banned elsewhere. I am still not sure how Ferrari is allowed to still race in Marlboro's colours, with the advertising owned by Marlboro, even though the name is not mentioned.

 

https://thejudge13.c...18-ferrari-car/

 

Well the ban is on tobacco advertising. The Ferrari is not running with tobacco advertising on it, so no problem there. E-cigarettes are a bit of a grey area I guess.

 

It does appear that the ban does not cover historic events though.

 

This isn't what the OP is talking about though. They're talking about when teams paint old cars in their current livery for promo work.

[absinthedude]

It's happened for decades. In particular under the current rules, teams aren't generally allowed to do anything with their 2018 and even 2017 cars. Even if they were permitted, most teams would prefer not to risk a current chassis. So any special event such as running cars on public roads or displaying a static car has to be done with an older car. The sponsors will nevertheless expect the current livery and might even stipulate it in contracts. Casual fans probably don't know the difference between cars except for the halo. And it's not exactly fraud as you're still watching an F1 car. 

[cheekybru]

Well the ban is on tobacco advertising. The Ferrari is not running with tobacco advertising on it, so no problem there. E-cigarettes are a bit of a grey area I guess.

It does appear that the ban does not cover historic events though.

This isn't what the OP is talking about though. They're talking about when teams paint old cars in their current livery for promo work.

Actually the article said that the e-cig in question was different to other e-cigs, because rather than heating up a liquid with nicotine in it, it heated up actual tobacco, which rather clearly makes it a tobacco product.

But....Its Ferrari

Edited by cheekybru, 06 September 2018 - 22:26.

[Peat]

This popped up on reddit:
*shudders*

[PayasYouRace]

That weirdly suits it.

Weird that so many F310s retain the low nose in preservation. It carried the high nose for more races after it was introduced.

[taran]

That weirdly suits it.

Weird that so many F310s retain the low nose in preservation. It carried the high nose for more races after it was introduced.

 

Not really IMO. The (low nose) F310 isn't particularly pretty and the high nose version adds an extra dose of truly ugly.

So it stands to reason most owners (who will actually look at their cars) will prefer the low nose version.

[Burai]

I'm not sure the people at Aston Martin, Exxon and Tag Heuer would be particularly happy to see Red Bull doing promotional demo runs in a car adorned with Infiniti, Total and Casio stickers.

 

It's a necessary evil.

[Scotracer]

That weirdly suits it.

Weird that so many F310s retain the low nose in preservation. It carried the high nose for more races after it was introduced.

 

The low nose looks so much better than the fake "high" nose that came after. 

[CoolBreeze]

Personally, i feel that if you run a demo in a 1998 car, it should be in the 1998 livery and not 2018 livery.

[PayasYouRace]

Not really IMO. The (low nose) F310 isn't particularly pretty and the high nose version adds an extra dose of truly ugly.

So it stands to reason most owners (who will actually look at their cars) will prefer the low nose version.

 

 

The low nose looks so much better than the fake "high" nose that came after. 

 

You guys really think the low nose looked better?

[taran]

From some angles, the low nose F310 looks fast and purposeful, even a bit like the gorgeous F412T2.

No such angles can be found for the high nose F310.....

[Shuffle]

I hate seeing it, I don't know why it bothers me so much, but it just seems so wrong.

One of the worst one's I saw was the Brawn BGP 001 car of 2009 with a Mercedes livery on it, it seems especially wrong when the car ends up with the livery of a different team. That F310 Ferrari above is even worse though, a car from 1996 with a 2017 (or 2015?) livery. Urgh.

[Atreiu]

Seems wrong to me as well.

 

As if some pretender is trying to steal what others have done.

[StanBarrett2]

Personally, i feel that if you run a demo in a 1998 car, it should be in the 1998 livery and not 2018 livery.

That is from a 'real'  fan's point of view.  The marketing chaps think that 'today'  fans will more recognise the 'today' livery and not the 'yesteryear'  model.

 

And as a demo is all about marketting

[PayasYouRace]

From some angles, the low nose F310 looks fast and purposeful, even a bit like the gorgeous F412T2.

No such angles can be found for the high nose F310.....

 

I just think the low nose looks fat and broken, and the wing still hangs below it. The high nose fits with the look of the rest of the cars at least, and has something of a continuous line up to the cockpit.

 

Anyway, anyone know why that F310 is in "modern" livery?

[PayasYouRace]

I hate seeing it, I don't know why it bothers me so much, but it just seems so wrong.

One of the worst one's I saw was the Brawn BGP 001 car of 2009 with a Mercedes livery on it, it seems especially wrong when the car ends up with the livery of a different team. That F310 Ferrari above is even worse though, a car from 1996 with a 2017 (or 2015?) livery. Urgh.

 

Well that was the same team.

[Kalmake]

Anyway, anyone know why that F310 is in "modern" livery?

Must be current sponsors paying to have it done.