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Issues raided by Dschungelfan

To note to stewards that user:Dschungelfan is a blocked user at deWP and is continually adding content to this page about deWP administrators. Could you please confirm to watchers that additions here by that user can be reverted/removed. May I also be so bold to suggest that this is one user who you should consider to be blocked from this page when the new blocking capabilities are introduced. Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm fine with that user being reverted without any further comment. For the partial block, let's see how it works in production (and our practices on using that) before we actually do that. — regards, Revi 04:51, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Clarification from a deWP user: user:Dschungelfan has been banned on deWP for a year by community decision in September 2018. He has made one request on this page since then. As far as I can see all of his requests here on this page have been strictly according to deWP policy. What are the grounds for blocking him from this page or blindly reverting his changes? Please note that user:Uwe Martens does not speak for the deWP community in any capacity. He does not truthfully or accurately represent deWP community consensus here on meta. --109.193.229.118 10:09, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

The community consensus on WP:DE was a one year block, especially for hunting German admins! EOD! -- Uwe Martens (talk) 10:28, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Again, AFAICS every single desysop request Dschungelfan made on this page has been strictly according to deWP rules. The admins would have been desysopped anyway as per deWP rules as soon as someone else had noticed. In this case Kritzolina chose not to stand for reelection. So she was fully aware that she was going to be desysopped. Others have been desysopped as per deWP rules for inactivity. There is nothing wrong with his requests here on meta. --109.193.229.118 10:35, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

He got blocked for one year with the goal, that he has no longer any influence on the German Wikipedia. Now he is continuing this through the backdoor, and this is abuse of the Meta Wiki just for provocation. And now: EOD! -- Uwe Martens (talk) 10:56, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Dschungelfan got blocked for one year on deWP. Since then he has made one edit on meta, requesting an absolutely uncontroversial desysopping strictly according to deWP rules. This is no abuse whatsoever and you are just about the only one feeling provoked by that. P.S. Screaming EOD will not make me stop replying. --109.193.229.118 11:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

@109.193.229.118: I remember at least one case in which Dschungelfan was wrong : Steward requests/Permissions/2017-12#Ziko@dewiki. I'd suggest that his edits on the permission page should be handled with a second pair of eyes on it, that's all since he is not blocked on Meta. NNW (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Good point. In this case I second your suggestion that Dschungelfan's requests on here should be scrutinized by at least one other person before a steward processes them. --109.193.229.118 13:58, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Info: The issue has/is been discussed here. Have a nice day! -- Uwe Martens (talk) 11:18, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Official policy at ro.wiki regarding to removal special permissions for inactive patrols

At romanian Wikipedia (w:ro:Wikipedia:Revocare) is not existing an official policy on the expiry of special permissions for inactive patrols, as in the case of administrators and bureaucrats, instead "can be done after a similar discussion in which it will show that the user has been mistaken too often to be able to base his patrols or that he has flagged malicious alterations made by another account or anonymous users" to w:ro:Wikipedia:Destituiri. We currently have 2 inactive patrols (4 years for a user and another one who is in wiki-vacation at this moment). In the local discussion we did not reach a consensus. How could the situation be clarified?--Kunok Kipcsak (talk) 17:59, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Add 2019

• • 2019: 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 11, 12

--جار الله (talk) 20:56, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

@جار الله: here + here, so Done --Alaa :)..! 06:06, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Strange administrator wikiquote:de:user:Missbrauchsfilter

Tracked in Phabricator:
Task T212268

There is no local log entry on that user:

https://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Spezial:Logbuch?type=&user=&page=Benutzer%3AMissbrauchsfilter&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=thanks&wpfilters%5B%5D=patrol&wpfilters%5B%5D=tag&wpfilters%5B%5D=review

Moreover there exists no local log entry about the extended admin rights:

https://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Spezial:Logbuch?type=rights&user=&page=&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=rights

Even on meta don't exist any log entries:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3AMissbrauchsfilter&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=

Please check that account, as there is no SUL account of that name:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Missbrauchsfilter

a×p_de^Hello! 13:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@Axpde: that is a system service account that would be used if your Abuse Filter is configured to block users. The localized name is configured in MediaWiki:Abusefilter-blocker. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

See also phab:T212268 and related tasks. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:28, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

But why is there no log entry anywhere?!? And who control those strange admin users? a×p_de^Hello! 15:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

There's no log entry as it's a system account. No person can login to it; it's the abuse filter that is controlled by filters created by local admins. Vermont (talk) 15:05, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

And why is this user only active on wikiquote, not on wikipedia and alike?!? a×p_de^Hello! 19:27, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@Axpde: It is used by AbuseFilter to performs blocks on wikis where it is allowed, if that is what you mean. Esteban16 (talk) 19:55, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@Axpde: the username is localized using the link I posted above. For example here on meta it is User:Abuse filter, on enwiki it is w:en:User:Edit filter. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:56, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Hallo Axpde, in deWP gab es dazu neulich eine längere Diskussion, siehe de:WP:Administratoren/Notizen/Archiv/2018/12#Benutzer:Bearbeitungsfilter. Gruß --Schniggendiller (talk) 22:59, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Danke an alle, thanks to all, but talking about "transparency": IMHO it would have been better to install ONE systemwide account with ONE name that is explained at ONE place, e.g. here on meta! On a first glance it looks as if there are still five admins on wikiquote whereas there are only four human admins! Or create a new class of user, something like a hybrid of "steward" and "bot" that is allowed to perform the desired action but openly shows that is a system generated user! a×p_de^Hello! 06:51, 4 January 2019 (UTC)