Wikipedia:Simple talk/Archive 161

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Hello! How can I help?

I am new here, and I wanna help. What can I do? Theres not much vandalism to fix, and I am pretty bad at fixing article and putting sources... Haumeon (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can start digging in here for things where you think you have the right skills: Category:Wikipedia_maintenance. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other things to do:

When you find interesting facts, write a short hook, and nominate it for Did you know?
If you find an article that you think you can improve, there are two categories of bettter-quality articles Wikipedia:Proposed good articles and Wikipedia:Proposed very good articles. We both need reviewers, and people who propose new articles.
General article cleanup:

look at Category:Complex pages, and simplify articles listed there
look at Category:Pages with too many red links...
Category:All articles with unsourced statements....

Eptalon (talk) 07:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Jctbtm / table not correct end

Hi, I use en:WP:WPCleaner which lists errors from low to top priority, one of the categories in the top priority list is "table not correct end"

Usually this error means the end code ( |} ) to a table is missing or that an article is using a templated top but not a templated bottom (so for instance if someone wanted to close a discussion they would use {{atop}} and {{abot}} instead of {{atop}} and </table end> as {{abot}} is the footer/end of the table

Anyway motorway articles are in this category and I believe it's down to Template:Jctbtm and more specifically "invoke" somehow not working ?,

I say it's related to invoke because 1. Template:Jctbtm uses invoke and 2) over at SpongeBob_SquarePants_(season_1)#Episodes none of the edit summaries show (I've updated everything with the episode table template and I believe Module too)

I can add |} to the end table on articles which according to WPCleaner "fixes the problem" but it just leaves trailing table end codes behind[1]

At Template:Jcttop and Template:Jctbtm I had reverted back to pre-LUA conversions hoping that would work but it didn't, I had updated Module:Jctbtm and that only fixed the key placement and Template:Jcttop is only used on American highway articles (UK motorways have normal top tables),

I've checked English Wikipedia motorways on WPCleaner and the articles doesn't show there so it's an issue here and I'm lost as to how to fix it so not sure if anyone with more knowledge with this stuff would have any idea ?, Many thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 22:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not knowledgeable enough to fix it myself but @Djsasso: does, iirc, have more knowledge than I. So perhaps emailing him might be a good start. Other than that, there are some members of simplewiki who would know the answer. Failing that you could individually approach one of the enwiki authors about it. They have helped in the past and generally approachable. fr33k man 21:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Fr33kman, That's a great idea I didn't even think about asking enwiki authors, If DJSasso can't/is busy etc then I'll try asking enwiki authors in a few days time, Thank you for replying and helping it's always greatly appreciated, Many thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 21:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to get account back?

Hi. My account has a new password and I forgot it. I tried doing the forgot my password thing but it won't send. What do I do? 2601:402:4400:3A90:F920:2D8C:FC24:CB4D (talk) 14:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are some instructions at en:Wikipedia:FAQ/Technical#How_do_I_recover_a_password_I_have_forgotten?. Is that what you already tried? You can only do the recovery if you had an email address connected to your account. -- Auntof6 (talk) 16:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you haven't connected an email address to your lost account, you may create a new account and state that you had a previous account. 🪐 Haumeon the Adventurer 🪐 16:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vandalism

Anyone know how to change this? Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 12:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Short descriptions on Simple English Wikipedia are updated through Wikidata. I've reverted the vandalism—thank you for pointing it out. – Cyber.Eyes2005^Talk 12:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template categorizations

Currently in Simple Wikipedia, we have many templates for YYYY categories that very easily take categories such as Category:1985 establishments and puts it into Category:1985, Category:Establishments by year, etc. These templates are very useful as they provide an easy way to regulate and edit many similar categories quickly. However, this does not always work. In the case of Category:1930 movies, I do not think it is likely that there will ever be a category for Category:1930 in entertainment, which is a red link. This is very common (see Special:WantedCategories), and detracts from the quality of the categories since it becomes harder to navigate.

I wonder if we could instead auto-categorize to the decade if there is not an existing category year through the template. In this case, Category:1900 movies would be categorized into Category:1930s in entertainment. Does anybody know if this is possible? MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 16:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This somewhat exists in Template:Category if exists. This would categorize the category if said category existed. However, there is no parameter for if the category does not exist, and instead just removes the category entirely. So it would need to check if the category for the "year in entertainment" exists, and if not, it would use the "decade in entertainment". (see the enwiki article on "else statements") Is this possible? MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 17:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It should be possible by directly using the "ifexist" function (if that's the right term) that the template uses. What if the decade-in-entertainment category doesn't exist, either? How far up the chain would you go to find a category that exists?

We actually had a discussion a while back about whether templates should assign categories at all. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about using the "ifexists" function and manually adding the larger parent category if the specific one doesn't exist? Like the change made by @Auntof6 in this category: Category:2002 establishments in Australia (ignore my changes just look at Auntof6's). ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 17:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant by @MrMeAndMrMe, I confused you two, my bad. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 17:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntof6 I probably do not have the skills to implement a LUA function, but I think it is definitely possible. Addressing your second point, I think we could just use "if else" statements up to the relevant century. If the category for the century does not exist, then that is an issue on its own. In most cases, the category for the century can pretty easily be filled. If there is another discussion for if templates should have categories, that would be an interesting one because I can see both sides of it, but for now I think using another template would solve the current issue pretty well.

@Dream Indigo this does not work for every category. I was able to change that category from "2002 establishments in Oceania" to "2000s establishments in Oceania" because that category is not part of the template. However, let's say "2002 establishments by country" did not exist. Then you could not easily change this. I suppose one could manually add on "2000s establishments by country", but that does not fully address the problem in my opinion. MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 17:38, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrMeAndMrMe But if we change all template-categories to be included only "ifexists", then they will never appear as red categories, I believe. I might be wrong though. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 17:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dream Indigo: I think you're right. I think that's why this kind of thing was not adopted in the past. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe there can be code included to both include the red categories and the closest category near it, so it is useful to both navigate and edit to see wanted categories. MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 17:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MrMeAndMrMe: I don't think there's any Lua required. There's Lua inside the ifexists structure, but that's just what is done if the if condition is met. I just createdTemplate:Category if exists/sandbox with the code indented to show the actual structure. I think the ifexist things existed before we had Lua here. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

31 RfDs numbered 1..27..

Topic says it all? Eptalon (talk) 19:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eptalon It's because these aren't listed at WP:Requests for deletion:

The 4th RFD seems to be vandalism. 2601:644:9083:5730:EDCD:F32E:CE64:CD67 (talk) 19:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add them later, thank you... Eptalon (talk) 19:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added them all, but closed the last one as a speedy keep... Eptalon (talk) 20:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Astronomy needs more people

I like astronomy (my name is a play on the dwarf planet Haumea), and I searched for an astronomy task force. Turns out everyone there is now inactive, and there were only three people. So the project is inactive. Could some more people visit the WikiProject and get it started again? Haumeon (talk) 19:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Haumeon. You can't really try and talk people into joining. My best answer is if your WikiProject has some sort of userbox that you can put in your user page, you can hang it up there and see what happens. You can discuss that in your WikiProject's talk page. Hope this helps. Maggie🌺 ^talk ^edit 22:15, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Haumeon, I can help with astronomy stuff, as for the wikiproject, it's... dead. RiggedMint 17:19, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! We really need to bring that wikiproject back to life; there are a lot of astronomy articles needing work. Also, I'm confused about the article grading scale. Does it still work here? 🪐 Haumeon the Adventurer 🪐 18:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Haumeon: Since WikiProjects here are unofficial (for example, we don't put banners on article talk pages), any article grading would have to be tracked in userspace. I haven't seen anyone do that here before, but I suppose you could. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. Could you please clarify? 🪐 Haumeon the Adventurer 🪐 23:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Haumeon: My understanding is that WikiProjects on English Wikipedia have a grading scale that is indicated by banners on the talk pages of relevant articles. If that's not true, or that's not the grading scale you're talking about, please tell me more. Here on Simple English Wikipedia, we don't put anything related to WikiProjects on article pages or article talk pages. -- Auntof6 (talk) 00:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good evening

I just need to ask whether there is a bot that archives talk pages for use on my talk page? ToadetteEdit (talk) 15:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ToadetteEdit: Yes, there is. You use it by putting User:MiszaBot/config at the top of your user talk page. There are instructions in the doc on that page. You can see an example on my talk page (and many other user talk pages), but don't make an exact copy of what's on my talk page because it's specific to me. If you need help setting it up, feel free to ask. -- Auntof6 (talk) 16:09, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! ToadetteEdit (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Page deletions RFD/QD

I've seen quite a few cases recently where an article winds up on RFD when it's clearly a matter for QD. This then leaves a new RFD discussion page being created for the RFD page and the article being deleted by a roving admin. For instance, when I'm patrolling RC and I see a good QD candidate I don't nominate it I just delete it. Then I get back to new changes and sometimes I see someone has tagged it with an RFD via twinkle. When this happens I'm recommending that we remove it from RFD and simply delete the discussion page via WP:G6 as housekeeping. Thoughts? fr33k man 19:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, it seems more convenient Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 08:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on what the nominator of the RfD wants to do but I find it isn't that difficult to just close it on the spot. --Ferien (talk) 11:11, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, in obvious cases where a discussion is unnecessary, the should just be closed and the page deleted. It doesn't harm anyone to keep the discussion page up. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 11:31, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Temple of Confucius

I have been working on this article for some time, and it is currently listed as a proposed Good Article. I welcome reviews from editors regarding its level of simplification—specifically, is it simple enough? Which sections might still need improvement? I believe the article meets the other requirements for Good Article status, and I have fixed most of the red links; only one remains in the history section and one in the infobox. The article has been on the proposed Good Article list for a while now, so consider providing feedback and voting there. – Cyber.Eyes.2005^Talk 20:12, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Establishments and disestablishments

"Establishments" and "disestablishments" are pretty complex, and simple wikipedia has pretty much just copied these words from Wikipedia. I wonder if it would make more sense to change these words to "beginnings" and "endings", respectively. This would mean, of course, that "beginnings" and "endings" would also include Births and Deaths. What are your thoughts? MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 01:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought we had consensus to do something like that. Maybe the discussion got archived? -- Auntof6 (talk) 08:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The most recent discussion (from April 2024) can be found here: Wikipedia:Simple talk/Archive 157#Category move discussion ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 19:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It looks like a consensus had been established that a simplification would be useful. However, a consensus for the specifics had not been reached, and the discussion died out and was archived. As many others have pointed out, words like "started" or "created" can have issues based on the scope of "establishments" being too broad. However, if we use broader terms like "Beginnings" and "Endings", this would make things simpler. Additionally, Simple Wikipedia is supposed to generally have simpler category structure. By including categories such as "births", "deaths", and "introductions" (were the category "introductions" to ever be used in the first place), this makes the category structure simpler. MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 22:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will there be many cases of horrible English or experimental-English or unknown-English? "A 'company beginning' and a 'company ending' - not sure i have heard of the nouns 'beginning' and 'ending' about companies.--A company ceases its operations etc.--Have there been cases where we had to go back on some grand idea that we started to roll out?--How about starting with only smaller pieces of the category tree, before we start work higher up in the 'food chain'. 2001:2020:331:CCFE:2CDA:A476:2D02:BF45 (talk) 15:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You would not refer to something as "company endings in 1942". The category is called "endings in 1942", meaning that the company was "ended" in 1942. This is perfectly normal English. It goes the same way with disestablishments. It is not referred to as "company disestablishments", it is referred to as "a company that was disestablished." In this case, you would say "a company that was ended".

The point of the category system is that the parent category is a description that can still apply to its children. For example, an article in Category:Biology is also a valid article in Category:Science (with some rare exceptions, such as container categories). In English Wikipedia, an article that is in en:Category:2020 disestablishments belongs just as much as en:Category:2020 endings. This is my primary reasoning for suggesting the terms "endings" and "beginnings", instead of "started", or "created", or whatever else. By default, "endings" and "beginnings" would not result in "horrible/experimental/unknown" English.

This would not be a particularly big project, either. According to AuntOf6, there are about 6,436 relevant "establishments" and "disestablishments" categories. Including births, deaths, debuts, etc., you could add another 2000 or so. Using Cat-A-Lot, this would maybe take a couple of days at most. I have no idea how long it would take to fully automate this. MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 15:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey identical person, 2001:2020 you look like me except I have this, 2001:569. 2001:569:7C55:9000:91D9:EB7A:44FC:90C3 (talk) 16:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to point out that the phrase "disestablishments" does not always work. In the case of Anglo-Saxon runes, it lists these ruins as being disestablished in the 8th century, as though they were formally disestablished in the 700s. However, a much better way to put this would be to say that the ruins "ended" in the 8th century, instead. This is the same for all languages, which were started in a certain century, and ended in another century. MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 01:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Runes and ruins are different concepts. From the context I assume you mean the former. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:48, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Macdonald-ross Yes, the writing system seems to have "ended" or "not used" after the 11th century. Even though english wikipedia does not do this, I agree that it is a good idea to date languages in the category section from when languages came into usage and (if applicable) left common usage. However, that is another discussion. In any case, the term "disestablishments" does not really work with this. MrMeAndMrMe_Talk 16:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RFC: Move TV seasons

On English Wikipedia they removed the parentheses for all articles about TV seasons, per an RFC. For example, from The Simpsons (season 1) to The Simpsons season 1. Should Simple English Wikipedia do this too?

Note: RFC stands for "Request for comment".

Support Per WP:FOLLOW. Also, the season number is not disambiguation, so it would be better not to be in parentheses. Yamazaki Kaoru (talk) 17:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yamazaki Kaoru Here on the Simple talk we don't use voting templates. Also, that seems like a big change. I never expected that to happen. We (Simple Wikipedia) should have our own discussion. After all, we should not just blindly import rules from over there, but instead discuss them and see if they should be here too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haumeon (talk • contribs) 23:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Haumeon: I think we do use the kind of template that Kaoru used to show support or opposition. Did you see a guideline or something about that? -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:00, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mainly here to seek approval

I recently created a category for pages tagged as {{historical}} (Category:Historical pages) but wanted to see if there was any opposition to me making it so any transclusion of the template would automatically add it to the cat.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 13:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No opposition from me. --Ferien (talk) 10:56, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 12:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 02:23, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good fr33k man 12:14, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objections after a week,

Done.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will your talk page, host a new thread?

Alternative literature (see
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_literature
). Is there any wikipedia-user that will let their Talk page, host the creation of a stub? (That stub would be the start of the title, Alternative literature.) Regards from IP-for-all-of-2024's-third-quarter: 2001:2020:359:8904:8167:8349:1882:33F4 (talk) 12:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, You're more than welcome to use WP:SANDBOX, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 13:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You (or anyone) can start that article at Sandbox.--I will not (start that article there).--If this reply is regarded as simple and polite, then fine. Thank you. 2001:2020:359:8904:298A:C4BA:BD57:D0DC (talk) 14:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:359:8904:8167:8349:1882:33F4[reply]

QD of non-offensive redirects (and justification for such)

When a redirect is bad (without being offensive), can QD be justified? How then would one justify the following QD (without saying more than that it is a bad redirect)? Please see

simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Geothermal_power&action=history
, which shows the bad redirect for Geothermal_power. 2001:2020:359:8904:298A:C4BA:BD57:D0DC (talk) 17:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see m:DDR, w:WP:CHEAP. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 01:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme Yes, but this redirect is clearly bad, as it redirects from a type of energy source to a specific power plant. 2601:644:9083:5730:488:19E9:B97E:CC52 (talk) 02:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not it redirect it to geysers, which are geothermal power sources Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 02:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The target page isn't about geysers in general, it's just about one particular group of geysers in California. 2601:644:9083:5730:488:19E9:B97E:CC52 (talk) 03:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then change the redirect to Geothermal energy Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 03:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, thanks! 2601:644:9083:5730:488:19E9:B97E:CC52 (talk) 03:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that "Geothermal power" is a different title (and page) at En-wiki, alongside "Geothermal energy". 2001:2020:30B:CC99:192C:6627:C4B8:C8D3 (talk) 05:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They can be deleted as WP:QD#G6 (housekeeping) or WP:QD#R3 (uncommon typo). I don't know whether the admins would delete this redirect. But I think if there's no article about geothermal power, it might as well redirect to geothermal energy because the topic is partially covered there. 2601:644:9083:5730:705B:5A85:D291:730 (talk) 05:39, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It can't deleted as an uncommon typo if it isn't a typo. As for housekeeping, I don't see a housekeeping reason to delete this. -- Auntof6 (talk) 09:13, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia users mind-blown after finding hidden function they never knew about

I just thought you people should know. It'll be interesting if it increases traffic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to say the same thing. It's comical how wrong they are about exactly what Simple is, as it is obviously not a "function" but an entirely different website, but even reliable journalists often get the finer points wrong when writing about WP. Just Step Sideways (talk) 23:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its kinds funny how they confused it. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 03:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would really be interesting is to see if the number of editors increases. Eptalon (talk) 06:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here comes some more: People only just learning hidden Wikipedia function that makes site easier to read. Well, it's not like this wiki has been around since 2001 or something like that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was expecting this to be some sort of button or feature that no one knew existed .... but yeah Simple is more than just a "function", Surprised these aren't DailyFail news pieces to be honest, –Davey2010^Talk 18:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had the same thought, like am I missing something. But yes, definately more than a function; they got this idea from a viral TikTok, interesting. – Cyber.Eyes.2005^Talk 19:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These things typically don't increase the number of editors we get, from what I have seen. This one came up on my YouTube Shorts a couple years back, as a hack for "beating teachers" :O (but didn't end up in any increase in editors) --Ferien (talk) 20:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's so weird how they write about this Wikipedia as if it was some "hacker tip" and how they tell you to change the URL instead of, you know, checking the languages or simply coming to this site. It really shows how little they know about how Wikimedia projects work. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 22:00, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Special character sort keys

Hi, I proposed two changes regarding special character sort keys. Please, join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categories#Special character sort keys. Thank you :) ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 23:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two new good articles

Hello, Nestor Makhno and Temple of Confucius are now good articles. I promoted them earlier today. Thank you to all who contributed, good work. Eptalon (talk) 08:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Eptalon Remember to move them, I did it for you. Thanks Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 07:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject under vanished user name

We have WikiProject Paralympicsat User:Vanished user adhmfdfmykrdyr/WikiProject Paralympics. This seems to be the only page for this WikiProject (no userbox template, for example). It seems to me that WikiProjects should be under active users. Does anyone want to adopt this project? If not, maybe we should close the project. -- Auntof6 (talk) 00:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntof6 Can I adopt? I don't want to let a Wiki project die. Can you move for me? Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 01:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: I can, but I'm in the middle of something right now. I'd want to take time to make sure I get all the pieces and change the old user name, so hold on until I can get to it. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I will work on the template. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 01:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: If you work on any part of it, it will make it harder for me to change everything over. Can you wait until I get to it? It won't be long. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:55, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay sure. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 01:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: Your comment on User talk:Cactusisme/Wikiproject Paralympics Barnstar says that the original was made by me. What original? -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From User talk:Vanished user adhmfdfmykrdyr Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 02:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntof6 Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 02:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: I didn't make that. I just used the generic barnstar template. -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But it still a good design for the wikiproject. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 02:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the topicon for? -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just a icon Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 02:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: "Just an icon"? A WikiProject here doesn't really need a top icon. But if you're going to have one, make sure it's set up for the project that's using it. Look closely at what's in it. -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 05:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: You still need to look closely at what you have in the icon code. I'm going to let you figure it out so you get some practice debugging. :D -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntof6 I'm not really good, but let me see. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: It's pretty obvious. I'm sure you'll find it. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntof6 Check now :D Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its a really funny and dumb error I made. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should probably check before I post next time. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: Yep, it was the name of the project. :D Not sure the gold medal makes a good image for it, but whatevs. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now you figured out how I got the code. Don't tell anyone. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cactusisme: Why not? Plagiarism is an old and respected technique in coding. I made good use of it during my career, and others copied code from me. Why reinvent the wheel? -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

.. Really, wow. :D I don't really know this decade old code so maybe it fine. Cactus🌵 ^spiky ^ouch 06:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a CS student, couldn't agree more. That's how coding evolves. – Cyber.Eyes.2005^Talk 07:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]