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  | en = The identifier for people in the Swedish Riksdag (Parliament) database
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{{Authority control properties}}

== new ID ==

Riksdagen tells us to change value see [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235521 T235521] {{Tracked|T235521}} - [[User:Salgo60|Salgo60]] ([[User talk:Salgo60|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:07, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
*If the identifier scheme changes, you need to propose a new property. Values shouldn't be overwritten. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 21:28, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|Jura1}} please explain why or call me 0046705937579. I had a meeting last month with the people at the Swedish Parlament IT department see [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235527 T235527] they will run in parallell the old and new id (is a guid) and then it will be killed
::I have created a task for me to convert them see [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235521 T235521]
::- [[User:Salgo60|Salgo60]] ([[User talk:Salgo60|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:21, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
:::We don't delete information from Wikidata once the source websites is discontinued or changed. Wikidata users should still be able to use the (old) identifiers.
:::For the new identifier, please use [[Wikidata:Property proposal]]. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 23:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Jura1}} Lydia had on telegram Wikidata a mature discussion about what to do with depreciated data and it depends...
::::I know this dataset good and has followed your advice in other user stories like {{P|5587}} see request [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Libris-URI link] that is a new parameter replacing e.g. {{P|906}}
::::This user case is 
::::* The owner of the data tell us we have the wrong data
::::* The current value works in parallell with the old value
::::* I have seen so far no one external using Wikidata values directly and compared to {{P|5587}} its very few users
::::* We have already started to convert some ....
::::- [[User:Salgo60|Salgo60]] ([[User talk:Salgo60|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
:::::Maybe Lydia could comment here. She rarely edits and I think the creation of a phabricator ticket might have been an error: developers aren't involved in content decisions. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 00:10, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
::::::* Phabricator
::::::** I use phabricator for all things i do with Wikidata see changes [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/3477/ WMSE-Magnus Sälgö changelog]
::::::* Lydia comment in Telegram yesterday was about depreciate value or not or delete and as always I feel she is just open to what feels best
::::::* Proposal created that I {{Oppose}} ;-)  see [[:Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid]] as [[:Wikidata:Property_proposal/Person|Type Person]] (feels like [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control&diff=prev&oldid=1060220909 list Authority has a bug] that I didnt fix...) - [[User:Salgo60|Salgo60]] ([[User talk:Salgo60|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:55, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

== {{P|39}} and work location ==

Is there a problem with the way the constraints were defined? Why were they removed? --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 21:28, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
:You can have an ID without being a member of the Riksdag (examples : [[Q4949040]], [[Q16595498]], [[Q4979205]], [[Q234872]]). --[[User:Rashinseita|Rashinseita]] ([[User talk:Rashinseita|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:34, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
::So it would be member or minister (also Stockholm) or MEP (not Stockholm)? --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 21:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
:::Yes, I agree with that. (I didn't see other cases). --[[User:Rashinseita|Rashinseita]] ([[User talk:Rashinseita|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:17, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
::Fixed the constraint. Finds people like [[Q5992996]] who lacked a P39. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 21:37, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

== Repair needed ==
It appears that the content has become partially unusable as some of the identifiers of this property were overwritten and are no longer in Wikidata. Users attempting to process database dumps get this identifier (see explanation by {{ping|Popperipopp}} at [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid]]). 

The proposed way to solve is it to create a separate property for the other identifier and restore the old data. Accordingly, please support the proposal at [[Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid]]. 

{{ping|Rashinseita|Esquilo|Lokal Profil}} as you contributed to this property.  --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 08:55, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
:So far I have not seen a single "new" 36-byte identifier actually work (as in the link leading to data and not a 404). All "old" (all digit) identifiers I have seen have worked. That is why I have replaced "new" identifiers with "old" ones when I come across one. /[[User:Esquilo|ℇsquilo]] 11:44, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
:: Not sure why this is. Have identifiers changed? If you go to [http://data.riksdagen.se/data/ledamoter/skapa-sokfraga-for-ledamotsdata/ this page] and select a person from the first drop down you land on a page that uses the new style ID in the url. Also, the liked images and person pages use the new style. Seems more future proof to have both. [[User:Belteshassar|Belteshassar]] ([[User talk:Belteshassar|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:40, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

*If so, we could close the proposal and just restore the property values we had a year ago. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 11:51, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

{{Ping project|Sweden}} --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 09:40, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

{{Ping|ℇsquilo|Belteshassar|Popperipopp|Jura|Ainali}} please give example of errors and let me know which direction we move so can I try to fix it...
* Background:  I had a meeting oct 29 2019 with the people in charge of this identifier see [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235527#5615454 T235527#5615454] and they told us to use the guid as the short version will not be supported in the future see task [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T235521 T235521]
* I created a proposal for the new identifier see [[d:Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid]] and then it stalled
* I think {{u|Ainali}} and I spoke about that we should have both but change the rank for the guid as prefered. 
* Examples
** {{Q|3540867}} old id [http://data.riksdagen.se/personlista/?iid=0758652610&utformat=html 0758652610] new [http://data.riksdagen.se/personlista/?iid=83345459-cc17-4d4a-b2bb-3748a0f3721c&utformat=html 83345459-cc17-4d4a-b2bb-3748a0f3721c]
** [https://w.wiki/Utb List with links www.riksdagen and data.riksdagen.se/personlista] 
- [[User:Salgo60|Salgo60]] ([[User talk:Salgo60|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

: From what I've seen, the "old" identifier is always present in data dumps and API calls from data.riksdagen.se whereas the "new" identifier is ''sometimes'' present. I see no reason to replace the current identifier with the new one. Who knows how long it will take Riksdagen to complete their updates? With that said, I think it's a good idea to add a new Wikidata property for the new identifier, clearly stating that it is, in fact, different from the old one. Mixing the two complicates things considerably when merging data from Riksdagen with Wikidata items. [[User:Popperipopp|Popperipopp]] ([[User talk:Popperipopp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{ping|Popperipopp}} give examples so can I ask the people at data.riksdagen.se they are easy speaking with and can easy tell us why it is in one way or the other... 
::* did a [https://github.com/salgo60/open-data-examples/blob/master/Riksdagen%20P1214.ipynb Jupyter Notebook accesssing the data at Riksdagen] and found 
::* 1991 records with the new ''sourceid'' - everyone had
::* 1874 records with the old ''intressent_id''
::I guess they dont give new members the old id 
:: - [[User:Salgo60|Salgo60]] ([[User talk:Salgo60|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::: The [http://data.riksdagen.se/dataset/person/person.csv.zip CSV file with MPs] 1990- found on the page [http://data.riksdagen.se/data/ledamoter/ Ledamöter] only has the old identifiers. [[User:Popperipopp|Popperipopp]] ([[User talk:Popperipopp|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
::::Ok then I suggest we create a new property see [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid#Motivation Wikidata:Property_proposal/Riksdagen_person_guid] I did a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL2EVlKb1yY Swedish video] of what {{u|Popperipopp}} found and I guess its easier have two separate properties - [[User:Salgo60|Salgo60]] ([[User talk:Salgo60|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
:::::Well, I'm glad this is finally sorted out, whatever the reasons for the detour. --- [[User talk:Jura1|Jura]] 14:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)