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See also
[edit]- Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending – properties which have been approved but which are on hold waiting for the appropriate datatype to be made available
- Wikidata:Properties for deletion – proposals for the deletion of properties
- Wikidata:External identifiers – statements to add when creating properties for external IDs
- Wikidata:Lexicographical data – information and discussion about lexicographic data on Wikidata
This page is for the proposal of new properties.
Before proposing a property
- Search if the property already exists.
- Search if the property has already been proposed.
- Check if you can give a similar label and definition as an existing Wikipedia infobox parameter, or if it can be matched to an infobox, to or from which data can be transferred automatically.
- Select the right datatype for the property.
- Read Wikidata:Creating a property proposal for guidelines you should follow when proposing new property.
- Start writing the documentation based on the preload form below by editing the two templates at the top of the page to add proposal details.
Creating the property
- Once consensus is reached, change status=ready on the template, to attract the attention of a property creator.
- Creation can be done 1 week after the creation of the proposal, by a property creator or an administrator.
- See property creation policy.
On this page, old discussions are archived. An overview of all archives can be found at this page's archive index. The current archive is located at 2024/12. |
Person
[edit]Third-gender population
[edit]Description | number of third-gender people inhabiting the place |
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Data type | Quantity |
Example 1 | Pirganj Upazila (Q13419437) → 8 |
Example 2 | MISSING |
Example 3 | MISSING |
See also | sex or gender (P21), sexual orientation (P91), population (P1082) |
Motivation
[edit]Hello, I am adding some 2022 census data to Bangladeshi upazila. To count total population, government did something like this: male + female + hijra = total population for that upazila.
- For male, i used male population (P1540)
- For female, i used female population (P1539)
- For total, i used population (P1082)
(See for example Pirganj Upazila (Q13419437))
To add Hijra or non-binary population, I need this property. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 19:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Support for census data that includes a third gender category. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 18:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please add more detail in the proposal template, at least a description. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith, @Wd-Ryan & others who might see this: I need a property for Hijra population. I am not sure if the non-binary is the right term here. Wikipedia has two article for them (Non-binary gender & Hijra (South Asia)) & it says "Hijra are transgender, intersex, or eunuch people ...".
- Should i rename this proposal as Hijra population? আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would prefer something that isn't specific to hijra (Q660882). There are more of these in other cultures, like two-spirit (Q301702). It's possible "third-gender population" (third gender (Q48279)) would be better. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 00:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- This term Hijra only used in South Asia and may not be suitable for other parts of ther world. @Wd-Ryan, Yes, "third-gender population" would be fine. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please try to find more examples for the proposal template, there should be at least 3. Check out this other proposal for more pieces of information that you could add to the template. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 21:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- This term Hijra only used in South Asia and may not be suitable for other parts of ther world. @Wd-Ryan, Yes, "third-gender population" would be fine. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 00:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would prefer something that isn't specific to hijra (Q660882). There are more of these in other cultures, like two-spirit (Q301702). It's possible "third-gender population" (third gender (Q48279)) would be better. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 00:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I feel we could use population (P1082) with a suitable qualifier — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Given we have female population (P1539) and male population (P1540), I think it's reasonable to have a property for counting people that don't fall under the two. I'm personally unsure whether "third-gender population" or "non-binary population" is the better name. Can someone with more knowledge of the terms say more about the different implications of the two terms, so we can chose which one is best for Wikidata. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 12:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
romantic orientation
[edit]Description | pattern of romantic attraction of this person or fictional character |
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Represents | romantic orientation (Q4688879) |
Data type | Item |
Domain | item |
Allowed values | instances of romantic orientation (Q4688879) |
Example 1 | Yasmin Benoit (Q68549608)→aromanticism (Q52746927) |
Example 2 | Seanan McGuire (Q3476794)→panromantic (Q96188028) |
Example 3 | Joe Parrish (Q96333392)→quoiromantic (Q96195586) |
Example 4 | Lilith Clawthorne (Q130762102)→aromanticism (Q52746927) |
Source | Aromantic people, List of people on the aromantic spectrum |
Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
See also | sex or gender (P21) and sexual orientation (P91) |
Wikidata project | WikiProject LGBT |
Motivation
[edit]Before anyone suggests it, romantic orientation is a concept completely different from either sex or gender (P21) or sexual orientation (P91) so these properties cannot be used instead. --Trade (talk) 23:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Notified participants of WikiProject Fictional universes --Trade (talk) 23:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- WikiProject LGBT has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. --Trade (talk) 23:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Notified participants of WikiProject Narration --Trade (talk) 23:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support! ~ RampantSpirit (talk) 01:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support. --Wolverène (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support Needed this at some point. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 19:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as proposed with the description that just repeats the term of the label. @Trade: saying "it's completely different" without specifying how it's different is not answering the issue. Spelling out the intent, so that people in the future can read the property proposal is useful.
- Wikidata is not supposed to be anglocentric. Properties should not focus on the meaning of English words, but you should seek to define them well, so that they can be used by speakers of other languages as well.
- Additionally, this seems to me like private information (property that may violate privacy (Q44601380)), so the idea of sourcing it from Wikipedia seems questionable. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 11:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see how this could violate privacy more than sexual orientation (P91). -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 15:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Didn't stop people opposing sexual orientation (P91) back then.--Trade (talk) 08:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Wd-Ryan If someone proposes a property, take the time to actually read the proposal in detail before you support it. Nobody proposed to just use Wikipedia lists/categories as source for sexual orientation (P91). sexual orientation (P91) is appropriately labeled with property that may violate privacy (Q44601380) indicating that it "should generally not be supplied unless they can be considered widespread public knowledge or openly supplied by the individual themselves". ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 19:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- The field simply states a source for people to find items to use the property on. Whether or not people chooses to use the articles as a source in of itself is something i (for obvious reasons) have no control over
- Besides, why would i tell people to list the Wikipedia articles as source when none of the examples does so? Doesn't make sense Trade (talk) 11:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- I do think that the general people we use the word source is to suggest places where you can use as a source for the statements. If your position is that items could be found there but they are not sourced you could say so explicitely in the property template form.
- I do believe, that it's worth making an effort to prevent privacy violations. If you take sexual orientation (P91) as an example, you could look at it and would see what we did to prevent it to be used in privacy violating ways. You skipped that step.
- Additionally, the point about defining the property in a way that's not relies on the particular meaning of an English term is still open. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 09:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree this property should have pretty much the same standards as sexual orientation (P91). The definition of this property can rely on the class of romantic orientation (Q4688879), of which there are dozens of instances. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 16:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have no way to add constraints to a property that have yet to be created. Unless you know something i don't Trade (talk) 00:05, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see how this could violate privacy more than sexual orientation (P91). -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 15:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support this list lists some acespec biographies with their romantic orientations, so it might be useful for these bios. There are some more sorted here. Web-julio (talk) 10:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
User account
[edit]Identifier
[edit]vardnica.aizpute.lv ID
[edit]Description | identifier for a person in the website vardnica.aizpute.lv |
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Data type | External identifier |
Example 1 | Pēteris Vasks (Q368449) -> 32-personas-v/681-vasks-peteris |
Example 2 | Mārtiņš Freimanis (Q937500) -> 17-f-alfabets/205-freimanis-martins |
Example 3 | Ingrīda Circene (Q2983484) -> 14-personas-c/112-circene-ingrida |
Motivation
[edit]Notified participants of WikiProject Latvia valuable website containing biographies of persons from Aizpute Municipality (Q2485015). --Ekrumina (talk) 13:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Support --Epìdosis 14:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is a weird one. This is a digital version of a 2015 book "Ar Aizputi un novadu saistītie". Website was made with the same data, I presume. The data appears to be compiled and curated by a single person. Her credentials appear in order, so I have no reason to doubt the accuracy. The site does have unique info not found elsewhere as she interviewed people firsthand and cites sources otherwise. It does lean heavily on "personal angle" rather than any sort of structured data. My concern is that the author is 98 now. Last update seems to be 2019 and 2016 before that a bunch after initial release. "Autortiesības" ("copyright") is just a text on the website. There is no contact info. There is no info about the plan here for this website and maintaining it. What happens if, for example, I spot an error - how will this get updated? I don't like that they haven't even set up HTTPS, this screams made by the "nephew who is good with computers". That said, the aizpute.lv domain belong to the local Municipality, so they could presumably retain this indefinitely. But I very much doubt they will ever update this unless all the IP rights are settled and some sort of initiative for this happens (or some volunteer takes over). I don't know if any of this is relevant to having a property, but it is likely the data will just remain as it is now until the website goes 404. I guess I don't oppose this particular "database", but I do think it would have been better served as a source for other long-term maintained databases. — HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK ∣ enWiki 09:52, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Ekrumina, could you please clarify the comment? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 08:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! I have no idea, the page seems to be invalid from 2007. https://web.archive.org/web/20081201000000*/aizpute.lv 185.31.46.25 09:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Ekrumina, could you please clarify the comment? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 05:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! I have no idea, the page seems to be invalid from 2007. https://web.archive.org/web/20081201000000*/aizpute.lv 185.31.46.25 09:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Ekrumina, could you please clarify the comment? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 08:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
dtf.ru person ID
[edit]Description | many notable russian speaking game designers have accounts on that website |
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Represents | DTF (Q4051032) |
Data type | External identifier |
Domain | human (Q5) |
Example 1 | Nikolay Dybowski (Q130453585) → 30271 |
Example 2 | Dmitry Gusarov (Q4152617) → 161216 |
Example 3 | Novik (Q130454004) → 320176 |
Motivation
[edit]dtf.ru is a notable website about video games. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 23:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]- Notified participants of WikiProject Video games --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 09:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Can you elaborate? Is this a social network? Are these user profiles? Why are they empty? Matthias M. (talk) 10:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Matthias M.: It used to be a social network for video game designers, but it was relaunched in 2016 and now it's more like a collaborative blog about video games. Any person can make an account and post videogames-related stuff. Some posts are written by staff members, and those are considered a reliable source at least in Russian Wikipedia. Currently almost no posts are gamedev-related.
With that said, I'm not sure I support this property. The vast majority of DTF account holders are non-notable (for instance, me). There is no infromation you can extract from DTF that would be suitable for Wikidata, you can only see posts and comments the person made. Novik account from examples section isn't even verified, I would advocate against connecting it with Wikidata. Unless there are lots of verified accounts for notable persons (which has to be proved), I don't see much use for this property. A particle for world to form (talk) 10:51, 7 October 2024 (UTC)- I found https://dtf.ru/u/443496-gabe-newell but I am not sure if it is legit. Matthias M. (talk) 19:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is most certainly not legit. Someone made an account named Gabe Newell, that's it. A particle for world to form (talk) 21:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- > The vast majority of DTF account holders are non-notable
- The same for Facebook, X, YouTube.
- Most of the notable Russian speaking game designers have an account on dtf.ru Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 09:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- There aren't that many notable Russian speaking game designers to begin with. And while many of them might have an account on dtf.ru, the vast majority of them do not post anything. Also it's a bad sign when you have to do a direct communication with the designer to confirm that the account is legit.
Facebook, X and YouTube are social networks, also it's a primary tool for doing PR. Whenever you visit an official website for a person, a studio or a game, you can usually find links to social networks. I've never seen anything like that with DTF.
DTF is more like IGN, Rock Paper Shotgun, Polygon, etc. We do not have properties for accounts for these websites, even though some of notable video game journalists and designers might have an account there. A particle for world to form (talk) 13:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- There aren't that many notable Russian speaking game designers to begin with. And while many of them might have an account on dtf.ru, the vast majority of them do not post anything. Also it's a bad sign when you have to do a direct communication with the designer to confirm that the account is legit.
- > Novik account from examples section isn't even verified
- I did a communication with him - its a famous guy, for example - author of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_%26_Sickle and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Watch_(video_game) Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 09:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is a page about some game designers on dtf.ru https://dtf.ru/games/2886476-16-igr-ot-rossiiskih-razrabotchikov-kotorye-sidyat-postyat-i-otvechayut-na-dtf-tut-i-horror-i-strategiya-i-taktika-i-shuter-mnogo-raznogo Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 10:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I found https://dtf.ru/u/443496-gabe-newell but I am not sure if it is legit. Matthias M. (talk) 19:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Matthias M.: It used to be a social network for video game designers, but it was relaunched in 2016 and now it's more like a collaborative blog about video games. Any person can make an account and post videogames-related stuff. Some posts are written by staff members, and those are considered a reliable source at least in Russian Wikipedia. Currently almost no posts are gamedev-related.
- Weak support Being a Russian speaking person, I can confirm DTF being a quite notable source. I'm giving it only a week support, because I think that only verified accounts should be linked to Wikidata, if a person is notable. I see this proposal as a Facebook ID of some sort, so why not. It just needs a bit of adjustment to my taste. --David Osipov (talk) 12:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support --MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 09:04, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. While DTF is indeed a notable source about video games, there's nothing notable in having an account on this website, especially when this account haven't posted anything and only left a dozen of comments (which is true for all three examples). I'm not convinced there is a potential for more than a couple of dozens of statements for the proposed property and I don't see any way Wikidata can benefit from that. Also, while Wikidata doesn't seem to have "No original research" policy, I heavily dislike the fact you have to contact the person to verify their account. A particle for world to form (talk) 13:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Unless there's exceptional circumstances, properties should usually be expected to be used at least 100 times, and I'm not quite convinced there's enough notable users on this website to meet that requirement. This is a better use case for website account on (P553), in my opinion. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 15:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Comprehensive Information System on Korean Historical Figures ID
[edit]Description | ID of a person in Comprehensive Information System on Korean Historical Figures |
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Data type | External identifier |
Example 1 | Q110114053 -> PPL_8KOR_A1930_1_0030006 |
Example 2 | Yun Chi-wang (Q496310) -> PPL_7HIL_A1895_1_0032102 |
Example 3 | Seo Wal-bo (Q7451485) -> PPL_6JOc_A1886_1_0017954 |
External links | Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt]. |
Formatter URL | http://people.aks.ac.kr/front/dirSer/ppl/pplView.aks?pplId=$1&category=dirSer |
Motivation
[edit]An encyclopedia for historical Korean people.--GZWDer (talk) 12:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]Notified participants of WikiProject East Asia. Samoasambia ✎ 17:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Chtyvo author ID
[edit]Description | an online library of Ukrainian-language literature. The library also contains works in foreign languages on Ukrainian topics. |
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Represents | Chtyvo (Q12103346) |
Data type | External identifier |
Allowed units | human (Q5) |
Example 1 | Hryhorii Skovoroda (Q336803)→Skovoroda |
Example 2 | Bohdan Lepky (Q2985059)→Lepkyi |
Example 3 | Mykhailo Hrushevskyi (Q371322)→hrushevskyi |
Motivation
[edit]A well-known online library of Ukrainian-language literature.--Максим Огородник (talk) 16:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
[edit]Notified participants of WikiProject Ukraine. Samoasambia ✎ 12:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Identifiant L'AF au champ d'honneur (fr) – (Please translate this into English.)
[edit]Description | identifiant d'une personne dans L'Action française au champ d'honneur, base prosopographique créée par l'archiviste et historien Antoine Dandre(131295073) (fr) – (Please translate this into English.) |
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Data type | External identifier |
Domain | être humain(5) |
Example 1 | Marius Plateau(3293845) → plateau-marius |
Example 2 | Pierre Héricourt(48926748) → hericourt-pierre |
Example 3 | Marius Ardisson(131334577) → ardisson-marius |
Source | https://lafauchampdhonneur.fr |
Formatter URL | https://lafauchampdhonneur.fr/$1 |
See also | identifiant Mémoire des hommes(P2071), identifiant Maitron(P4724) |
Notified participants of WikiProject France. 194.199.3.13 15:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support Une sorte d'anti-Maitron, d'une envergure certes bien plus modeste, mais intéressante cependant. Ayack (talk) 16:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- @194.199.3.13, Ayack: Done: L'AF au champ d'honneur ID (P13159). --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 11:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Identifiant d'un(e) auteurice dans Vidas (fr) – (Please translate this into English.)
[edit]Description | identifiant d'un(e) auteurice dans Vidas, dictionnaire biographique (en construction...) des auteurices occitan(e)s (fr) – (Please translate this into English.) |
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Represents | Occitanica(108913948) |
Data type | External identifier |
Domain | être humain(5) |
Example 1 | Savinian(30116930) → 2072 |
Example 2 | Lydie Wilson(3269238) → 18 |
Example 3 | Frédéric Mistral(42596) → 2146 |
Formatter URL | https://vidas.occitanica.eu/items/show/$1 |
Notified participants of WikiProject France et CaféBuzz. Maxime 17:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support Ayack (talk) 17:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support — Baidax 💬 20:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support Rémi sim (talk) 22:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support CaféBuzz (talk) 04:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
identifiant sur Mémoire des avocats (fr) – (Please translate this into English.)
[edit]Description | identifiant sur Mémoire des avocats (fr) – (Please translate this into English.) |
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Represents | musée du Barreau de Paris(6402206) |
Data type | External identifier |
Domain | être humain(5) |
Example 1 | Joseph Python(16026385) → 504 |
Example 2 | Catherine Ammar(131343970) → 463 |
Example 3 | Agathe Dyvrande-Thévenin(76388630) → 405 |
Source | https://memoire.avocatparis.org |
Formatter URL | https://memoire.avocatparis.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=$1 |
Notified participants of WikiProject France. Maxime 22:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support — Baidax 💬 22:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment @Maxime Ravel: The resource looks really useful, but your proposed "ids" are just (very long) url fragments which are very likely to break on site structure change and are not unique as they include a lot of "decoration", so defeating the very purpose of an identifier. The real ids are 504, 463 and 405 respectively. I would suggest using those instead, with a formatter set to https://memoire.avocatparis.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=$1 --Nono314 (talk) 10:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support with the change--Nono314 (talk) 13:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
WHL player id
[edit]Description | identifier for player at WHL site |
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Represents | no label (Q131386005) |
Data type | External identifier |
Domain | human (Q5) |
Example 1 | Alena Polenská (Q4716122) → 24214 |
Example 2 | Viktoria Kulishova (Q48487503) → 24417 |
Example 3 | Noora Räty (Q455479) → 35865 |
Source | https://whl.khl.ru/players/ |
External links | Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt]. |
Planned use | for usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614) |
Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
Formatter URL | https://whl.khl.ru/players/$1/ |
Robot and gadget jobs | Maybe check captures in Internet Archive for just in case? |
Motivation
[edit]Will be useful for stated in (P248), contains valuable statistical data. Full coverage for every Zhenskaya Hockey League (Q2952044) player since 2015. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 16:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)