Wikidata:Property proposal/Helveticat ID

‎Helveticat ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: Helveticat ID (P12899) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Identifier in the authority file of the Swiss National Library (Q201787)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	book (Q571), newspaper (Q11032), publication (Q732577), literary work (Q7725634)
Allowed values	sz[0-9]+
Example 1	Chariots of the Gods? (Q1354710) → 001156464
Example 2	Les Mythes du Temple Solaire (Q126678354) → 001121823
Example 3	Journal du Jura (Q633032) → 001291446
Source	https://www.helveticat.ch/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	Authority control

Motivation

Sorry if I screwed this up (I am quite new here). Helveticat is the categorization system for the Swiss National Library (Q201787), which is useful for publications, including books and newspapers, related to Switzerland. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

related to swisscovery edition ID (P9907),

Manoillon Pasleim Alexmar983 Masegand Hadi Lantus Nattes à chat 1-Byte Eihel M2k~dewiki Epìdosis Mathieu Kappler Jahl de Vautban GeneraleAutunno Luca.favorido Mfchris84 AnBuKu Albinfo Tuxfux Uschoen

Notified participants of WikiProject Switzerland Mfchris84 (talk) 21:13, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Support seems fine to me. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support --Mfchris84 (talk) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support -- AnBuKu (talk) 21:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 23:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Conditional support Maybe the identifier format should contain also "sz" other than digits to better keep the URI integrity? Anyway, I support it. --Luca.favorido (talk) 06:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Luca.favorido I'm going to be honest I am very new here so I was unsure of how to format the identifier format. Apologies! Feel free to modify. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the property proposal @PARAKANYAA and welcome to our community. :-)

  I ping the other supporters just to be sure they are not against to have also "sz" in the identifier. @ArthurPSmith @Mfchris84 @AnBuKu @Jahl de Vautban. Thanks and have a great day! --Luca.favorido (talk) 18:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  no prob here AnBuKu (talk) 18:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  Fine as well, I assumed that was already the case since they were the values given in the examples. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 19:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  Ok with me. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• @Mfchris84, ArthurPSmith, AnBuKu, Jahl de Vautban, Luca.favorido, PARAKANYAA:  Done as Helveticat ID (P12899). Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 06:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  @ZI Jony Could you account for the change with the sz in front of the identifier, so it can match/link to the url? This was proposed later but I find I agree with it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  @PARAKANYAA: done. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 07:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

  @ZI Jony thx for your work AnBuKu (talk) 12:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Support. This system number is not a Swiss speciality. The US Library of Congress has defined it for the MARC format field 035: https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd035.html . So I dont know if it's usefull to define it here only for the Swiss national library with the prefix sz or to define it internationally. Independent from that I suggest to call the ID System Control Number according to the naming by the Library of Congress and the Swiss national library (in German: Systemkontrollnummer). See field 035: https://ead.nb.admin.ch/web/marc21/dmarcb01x-09x.htm (in German) --Hadi (talk) 07:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)