Property talk:P8317

Documentation

Philadelphia Museum of Art entity ID
identifier for a person or organization in the Philadelphia Museum of Art

Associated item

Philadelphia Museum of Art (Q510324), Philadelphia Museum of Art (Q510324)

Data type

External identifier

Domain

human (Q5) or organization (Q43229)

Allowed values

\d+

Example

Marcel Duchamp (Q5912) → 15513
Mary Cassatt (Q173223) → 15388

Source

https://www.philamuseum.org/collection

Lists

Proposal discussion

Current uses

Total	17,320
Main statement	17,281	99.8% of uses
Qualifier	2	<0.1% of uses
Reference	37	0.2% of uses

Search for values

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Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Single value, SPARQL

Type “human (Q5), organization (Q43229)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “human (Q5), organization (Q43229)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Type Q5, Q43229, SPARQL

Item “instance of (P31)”: Items with this property should also have “instance of (P31)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Item P31, search, SPARQL

Item “date of birth (P569)”: Items with this property should also have “date of birth (P569)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Item P569, SPARQL

Item “place of birth (P19)”: Items with this property should also have “place of birth (P19)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Item P19, search, SPARQL

Item “sex or gender (P21)”: Items with this property should also have “sex or gender (P21)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Item P21, search, SPARQL

Item “occupation (P106)”: Items with this property should also have “occupation (P106)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Item P106, search, SPARQL

Item “given name (P735)”: Items with this property should also have “given name (P735)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Item P735, search, SPARQL

Format “\d+|”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Format, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as reference (Q54828450): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8317#Scope, SPARQL

Works with creator missing link
List of works that are in collection (P195) Philadelphia Museum of Art (Q510324) and have creator (P170) set, but that creator doesn't have a Philadelphia Museum of Art entity ID (P8317) link (Help)
Violations query:

SELECT ?item ?url ?creator { 	?item wdt:P195 wd:Q510324 . 	?item wdt:P170 ?creator . 	MINUS { ?creator wdt:P8317 [] } . 	MINUS { ?item wdt:P170 wd:Q4233718 } . # Filter out anonymous 	OPTIONAL {?item wdt:P973 ?url } . }

List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P8317#Works with creator missing link

Probably death
People with Philadelphia Museum of Art entity ID (P8317) born before the year 1900, but no date of death (P570) (Help)
Violations query:

SELECT DISTINCT ?item WHERE {   ?item wdt:P8317 [] .   ?item p:P569 ?birthclaim .   MINUS { ?item p:P570 [] }   ?birthclaim ps:P569 ?birth .   FILTER(?birth < "+1900-00-15T00:00:00Z"^^xsd:dateTime) . }  ORDER BY ?birth LIMIT 1000

List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P8317#Probably death

artists

According to the proposal this is an identifier or artists in the collection" "We would like to leverage and query the existing data in WD with artists in our collection. We've also been working to enhance and create WD records for around 200 African American artists such as Evangeline Montgomery and Margo Humphrey and would like to connect those records with our collection/data. " I will change the description to reclect that. Please undo if this is not only about artists in the collection. --Hannolans (talk) 19:04, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Creator or Subject

This identifier is used for both creators whose works are in the museum, as well as subjects depicted in works. It does not imply that the museum has works created by the individual. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure? On https://www.philamuseum.org/collections/search.html you can only fin 'Artist / Maker beginning with:'. When adding the id, for example 4334, the website displays Artist/Maker's Name: Johann Moritz Edlinger. Is there an example that it displays the person depicted? For example the subject should be 'Carl Christian Vogel von Vogelstein' for https://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/9781.html?mulR=1858314646%7C1 but that person is not a link nor id, while he is in the collection as 4739 So it seems that the id is only for the creator. --Hannolans (talk) 19:50, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am sure. That is why I posted. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:06, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please give an example link as I can't see how that should work. See the example of Carl Christian Vogel von Vogelstein. --Hannolans (talk) 18:37, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, as per this edit, the Roman poet Virgil has ID 1343. However, Virgil created no works of art and is only the subject of several works in the collection. He is not the creator of any of those works. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:34, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But this id gives no results in the corresponding link: https://www.philamuseum.org/collections/results.html?searchTxt=&bSuggest=1&searchNameID=1343 give 'no result' so this is a wrong id or the external identifierlink is wrong defined. --Hannolans (talk) 14:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the IDs proposal? It sounds as though you did not. Please read the original proposal to find the answer to your question. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:01, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in the proposal is written '"We would like to leverage and query the existing data in WD with artists in our collection.',. It is also obvious you can also see that the website declares the ID as 'Artist / Maker' and you can see that 'Carl Christian Vogel von Vogelstein' while he in the collection as depicted as well as a creator, only as a creator gives results. Again, can you please show an example of an id of a depicted person resulting in a working external link that proofs that it is an id for depicted persons and not for creators only. --Hannolans (talk) 00:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the part about many IDs not yet having functioning pages? Please demonstrate that the IDs that do not connect to an existing page are incorrect. Please also explain why you think that the IDs are exclusively those of artists. Nothing in the proposal nor in your comments demonstrates this. you have made a unilateral assumption without asking the people who proposed and set up the property. What makes you think you understand the property better than the people who proposed it? --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:41, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Formatter URL broken

I have deprecated the formatter URL (P1630) because it doesn't seem to work (any more), and I cannot readily see how to fix it. Bovlb (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]