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== Sugar Bear ==

Hey, Torchiest. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind commenting [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Ban_of_Sugar_Bear.2FIbaranoff24 here] on the possible ban of Sugar Bear. [[User:Rockgenre|RG]]  ([[User talk:Rockgenre|talk]]) 00:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you very, very much for the barnstar! [[User:Rockgenre|RG]]  ([[User talk:Rockgenre|talk]]) 18:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

== Skinny Puppy - In Solvent See release date ==

"fixed release date info for In Solvent See, we don't put rumors in an encyclopedia)"

There's talk on SP's litany forums that SPV is now mentioning a November release for "In Solvent See", that's why I mentioned that the release date was said to be August, and now possibly November.  Despite what Amazon says, an August 31st release date is almost definitely not going to happen, since it's nearly July and nothing has been announced yet.  

Also, the album being called "In Solvent See" is a rumor itself, that has not actually been announced or confirmed by anyone.  Look into it.  If you're so informed about release dates, you should also be aware that the album title itself is a rumor.  So if you're so worried about rumors on an encyclopedia, you should delete the entire In Solvent See section and page or called it untitled for now, since that title is not official and the album is unlikely to be called that.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.9.150.17|68.9.150.17]] ([[User talk:68.9.150.17|talk]]) 03:17, 30 June 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Additional comments needed==
:Following a month-long process of multiple editors to have "Fictional history of Spider-Man" conform to [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)]], one editor has objected and wishes for the article, which has been the subject of three deletion discussions, to remain as is.

:Alternately, the proposed new version appears at [[User:Spidey104/Fictional history of Spider-Man sandbox]].

:Your input, as an editor involved in the deletion discussion, is invited at [[Talk:Fictional history of Spider-Man#Rewrite and replacement]]. --[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 21:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

==Backlog Elimination Drive Has Begun==
Hello, I just wanted to take a moment and announce that the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/July 2010|July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive]] has started, and will run for a month. Thanks for signing up. There's a special prize for most edits on the first day, in case you've got high ambitions. Enjoy! <big>[[User:Noraft|<span style="color:green;">ɳorɑfʈ</span>]]</big><small><sup>[[User talk:Noraft| Talk!]]</sup></small> 03:59, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion of [[List of Angela Anaconda episodes]] ==

Hey. I removed your speedy deletion tag of [[List of Angela Anaconda episodes|this article]] and gave my reasons on [[Talk:List of Angela Anaconda episodes|its talk page]]. If you'd like to comment, or if you have brilliant ideas about what else I should do or what I'm doing now, that would be great. I've read the relevant policy and a billion essays on how to handle this sort of dispute, but most of my work has been on low-traffic articles, so I've never actually done it, and I could stand to be trout-slapped a few times if I'm messing up. Thanks, [[User:Annalise|Annalise]] ([[User talk:Annalise|talk]]) 17:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[Samsung S860]]==
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The article [[Samsung S860]] has been [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed for deletion]]&#32; because of the following concern:
:'''Article was never more than a copy of a spec sheet with broken formatting'''

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be [[WP:DEL#REASON|deleted for any of several reasons]].

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the <code>{{tl|dated prod}}</code> notice, but please explain why in your [[Help:edit summary|edit summary]] or on [[Talk:Samsung S860|the article's talk page]].

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing <code>{{tl|dated prod}}</code> will stop the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion process]], but other [[Wikipedia:deletion process|deletion process]]es exist.  The [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion process]] can result in deletion without discussion, and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|articles for deletion]] allows discussion to reach [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for deletion.<!-- Template:PRODWarning --> <font face="monospace">[[User:Dgies|<font color="#00F">'''&mdash;dgies'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Dgies|t]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Dgies|c]]</sub></font> 07:40, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== GOCE Newsletter ==

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Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/July 2010|Backlog Elimination Drive!]] We have now passed the halfway point, so here's an update. 

'''Progress Report''' - Progress toward the targets has been good. 751 articles out of the approximately 1,600 we would like to get completed by the end of the month were done by July 15, so we will be very close to meeting the target for volume. However, we would like to clear all of the 2008 articles from the backlog, and there are still 892 left to do. Please consider choosing one of these older articles when looking for something to copy edit. If we focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue.

'''Participation Report''' - 95 people signed up for the July drive.  This is a great result compared to May, when we had 36.  However, in May only one person that signed up didn't do any copy edits, and in July only 59 of the 95 have posted any copy edits on the big board. 

The task may seem insurmountable but please remember that if all 95 participants copy edit just one article a day from now until the end of the month, we will eliminate 1,300 more articles from the backlog. So please consider participating at whatever level you can!  All contributions are appreciated.

<small>This newsletter was prepared for the [[WP:GOCE|GOCE]] by [[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup>, [[User:SMasters|S Masters]] ([[User talk:SMasters|talk]]), and [[User:The Utahraptor|<font color="green">The Raptor</font>]] [[User talk:The Utahraptor|<sup>Let's talk</sup>]].</small>
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== July drive home page ==

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|Hi! The July drive home page is starting to load really slowly for some of us on slower internet connections.  So I am suggesting that people with lengthy article lists can move them to a difference location, such as their sand box or their talk page.  Just leave a link to the new location where your article list used to appear.  See my section for an example of how this could be done. Thanks. And thanks for having such a long list of completed articles! Your contributions are appreciated. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 23:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
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== RfC on [[Media Matters for America]] at [[WP:RS]] ==

Hello there, Torchiest. There was a recent discussion at [[WP:ANI]] regarding the systematic removal of [[Media Matters for America]] as a reliable source. I've started an RfC regarding MMfA, [[Media Research Center]], [[Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting]], [[Newsbusters]] etc. at [[Wikipedia: Identifying reliable sources]]. Some of us believe that these hyperpartisan sources should never be used as factual sources at Wikipedia, due to their tendency to selective edit facts. Please participate in this important discussion, concerning one of Wikipedia's most fundamental editing policies, on the Reliable Sources Talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Identifying_reliable_sources#RfC:_Hyperpartisan_sources here]. ''Skoal.'' [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 14:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
==Promotion nominations==
For things nominated as spam, I will delete it if it uses promotional language or seems to only say unbalanced good stuff, or has too much information on the how to take advantage of the promotion.  However if the style is informative, or only a small part is advert like, then I will decline it, as someone could edit off the advert.  In the case of [[Houston two step]] there is no language there encouraging people to make it, or saying where to get it, so it does not look like an advert.  Of course the person may be pushing some promotion by putting the article in, and there may be a lot of that going on, people with some political agenda improving the encyclopedia where it supports it.  However we just accept that, because over all it is an improvement, and we can't complain about imbalance.  For [[Houston two step]] a prod will probably do, there is no urgency to get rid of it as it is not harming Wikipedia.  The risk could be that it is deprodded for no good reason and then an AFD with a bit more work, but even with a 20% chance of a prod deletion, it would be worth trying out the prod.  I suspect the drink is non notable, but there is not a speedy delete option for drinks! [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 03:48, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== Barnstars ==

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|style="font-size:1.65em; padding:0; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Star'''
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|style="border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For exceptional copyediting efforts during the [[WP:GOCE|Guild of Copy Editors]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/July 2010|May and July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drives]], copy editing articles with a combined total of 129,512 words, <big>Torchiest</big> is presented with this exclusive, brilliant, Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Star. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 17:36, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''Leaderboard Award—Number of Articles—4th Place'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to '''Torchiest''' for copy editing 100 articles during the [[WP:GOCE]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/July 2010|July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive]]. Thank you so much for your contributions to the project. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])</sup> 17:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
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== GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive Wrap-up ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/July 2010/Newsletter 8-1}}

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== Re: [[Talk:Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran#RFC]] ==

Your comments at [[Talk:Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran#RFC]] would be greatly appreciated. [[User:AzureFury|'''<span style="color:blue">Azure</span><span style="color:red">Fury</span>''']]  ([[User talk:AzureFury|talk]] | [[Special:contributions/AzureFury|contribs]]) 21:51, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

== GOCE Backlog Elimination Drive invitation ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/September 2010/Newsletter 1}}

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==RfC: Partisan sources==

I have proposed an edit for the mainspace of an important Wikipedia policy, the [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources]] policy. Essentially, I believe that some sources are so partisan that using them as "reliable sources" invites more problems than they're really worth. You've previously participated in the RfC on this subject, or another related discussion indicating that you are interested in this important policy area. Please indicate [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Identifying_reliable_sources/Hyperpartisan_Sources_1 here] whether you support or oppose the proposed edit. The original discussion is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Identifying_reliable_sources#RfC:_Hyperpartisan_sources here]. [[User:Phoenix and Winslow|Phoenix and Winslow]] ([[User talk:Phoenix and Winslow|talk]]) 13:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion declined: [[:Godlike (single)]] ==
Hello Torchiest. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of [[:Godlike (single)]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''A redirect is not a disambiguation page.  Please ask on my talk if there was a different reason this ought to be deleted.'''  Thank you.  [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 14:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion declined: [[:Light (KMFDM single)]] ==
Hello Torchiest. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of [[:Light (KMFDM single)]], a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''Redirects are not disambig pages.'''  Thank you.  [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 14:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== KMFDM / Industrial edits ==

Regarding your comment about cited discogs.com, I left a response on my page, but in case you don't see it:
Thanks Torchiest. The thing is, I own these albums and have been referring to them as well as their liner notes for the information I have added thus far. I am not sure how I can cite this information. I turned to discogs.com since users had posted pictures of these albums. I was thinking visual proof. Please let me know what I should do in this case. [[User:Incredibly Obese Black Man|Incredibly Obese Black Man]] ([[User talk:Incredibly Obese Black Man|talk]]) 03:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== [[My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult]] ==

Do you enjoy them as well? I have started to really clean up their page and moved their discography to a new page ([[My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult discography]]). I'm hoping to get it to the same place as [[KMFDM]]. This will take a long time, or less with your help. [[User:Incredibly Obese Black Man|Incredibly Obese Black Man]] ([[User talk:Incredibly Obese Black Man|talk]]) 01:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

:I used to be a huge fan of theirs back in the 1990s.  Haven't kept up with them as well lately, but I saw them in concert a few years ago, and they still have the knack for putting on a good live show.  I may chip in a little here and there, but I'm not quite as familiar with their history as I was with KMFDM's. <B>—[[User:Torchiest|Torchiest]]</B> <sup>[[User talk:Torchiest|talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Torchiest|edits]]</sub> 03:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

== September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive Conclusion ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/September 2010/Newsletter 5}}

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== November copy edit drive ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/November 2010/Newsletter 1}}

== [[Starflight]] ==

Hello. It's good to see the article for such an impressive, yet obscure title get the attention it needs. I'm almost done with an overhaul of the gameplay section, which was spotty and unwieldy. For instance, it stated that the MU was short for "Monetary Unit" and a [[fictional currency]], but left several facets of gameplay unmentioned. When you describe a space exploration game, you should mention the combat. Do take a look at the rest of my changes, if you're so inclined. I'm about to change the bit on planetary exploration, and add a paragraph on the screen and interface on various platforms. I'm a bit worried that someone will come along and cry "gameguide," but my prose is descriptive, not instructive. Besides, the article fails its job if it doesn't give the readers a good overview, it's more problematic to write "the game has many different modes and features" and let the readers take it on faith than it is to describe those features, and the genre names that would normally give readers an idea of the gameplay don't work here. Besides ''besides'', one of the major reasons behind interest in older games is their relationship to the development of their genre and to their contemporaries (the "Cripes on cripes this thing was out as the same time as Super Mario Bros?!" effect), making description necessary.

Yeah, I'm probably practicing arguments here. I should hang out less at AfD, it'd lessen the cynicism.

I'm relaxed about making statements that are apparent from the work itself, like ship upgrading being costly, or planets being far too large to search exhaustively, but I get that others need not be. As for the first paragraph, I'm thinking that it could mention cash-making and omit how cash is made, since that's covered below, and it should retain the phrase "a crystal left by an ancient race that fuels interstellar flight," because (only read this rot-13 if you know the big twist at the end) gur flagnpgvp nzovthvgl va gung fgnrzrag vf zntavsvprag. ;)

Do you happen to be able to take screenshots of planets? --[[User:Kizor|Kiz]][[Special:Contributions/Kizor|<span style="color:black;">o</span>]][[User_talk:Kizor|<span style="color:green;">r</span>]] 14:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

:I'm pretty much okay with the changes you made.  I mainly changed the first paragraph because it was just poorly written.  Particularly, "seek out and explore strange new worlds" was not the proper tone, though it could conceivably be included if it were in quotes, perhaps along with the rest of the officially stated in-game goals.  That's why I changed it to more general statements that, I feel, adequately cover the main aspects of the game, exploration of space, discovering life forms, and tagging colony worlds.  The other part of the sentence "The goal is to... discover the state of the galaxy and, later, put a stop to the state of the galaxy before it kills everything." was just awful and unwieldy, as well as being pretty uninformative.

:The costly thing just seems like original research in a way.  I mean, who's to say what's costly and what's not?  If you do a lot of mining right off the bat, it's not that hard to get to level 5 everything in short order.  Plus, the range of prices goes from (I believe) 1000 MUs for the weakest armor to 200,000 MUs for level 5 photon torpedoes.  So a blanket "costly" isn't really needed anyway, with a factor of 200 separating the high and low.  I suppose you could explain that, saying something like what I just did, but that seems like too much detail.  The ancient race part, eh, I can take it or leave it.  Again, it just seemed like an extra detail (which is explained better later on anyway).  Hope that helps. <B>—[[User:Torchiest|Torchiest]]</B> <sup>[[User talk:Torchiest|talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Torchiest|edits]]</sub> 14:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

:Oh, as for screenshots, I'm not sure if I've got SF loaded on my computer at home or not.  I might be able to get a couple images eventually. <B>—[[User:Torchiest|Torchiest]]</B> <sup>[[User talk:Torchiest|talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Torchiest|edits]]</sub> 14:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

==Request for mediation - your input is required==
[[File:Information icon.svg|40px]] A request for mediation has been filed concerning a matter in which you have participated. 

The operative page is at '''[[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Creampie (sexual act)]]'''. Please go there and indicate your acceptance of mediation at the [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Creampie (sexual act)#Parties' agreement to mediation|Parties' agreement to mediation]] section (or you can decline to accept mediation, if for some reason you want to.) If you have any questions about mediation, see [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation]] or message me. Thank you for your time and consideration. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 16:09, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
:Hi, I noticed that you posted as disagreeing with the request for mediation, which is your right of course. I notified everyone who made even a single post on the issue, as is required (I think), and sorry if this has been a bother to you. If your objection is just that you don't consider yourself a party to the discussion and/or don't want to be bothered with the issue, would you consider removing yourself as a party (or I'll do it for you if you request) rather than remaining as a party but actively disagreeing. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 05:20, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== KMFDM professional review links deletion ==

Hello!

I'd like to know why you keep deleting the links I am providing to professional reviews of the industrial rock band KMFDM? These reviews are written and posted by me on my own industrial rock magazine, Fabryka. You never leave any reasons why you do it. Myself as well as an American editor spend 20 or more hours to prepare a review; from writing, to preparing the graphics, posting it online etc... Fabryka has promoted KMFDM for many years. We are personally sent their albums on a regular basis  by their record label, Metropolis for professional reviews. If this happens again will report this activity  to KMFDM, Metropolis and Wikipedia. Thank you.

Best Regards,
NINa  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fabrykanina|Fabrykanina]] ([[User talk:Fabrykanina|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fabrykanina|contribs]]) 09:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==GOCE Drive – Final push==
Greetings '''[[WP:GOCE|GOCE]] [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/November 2010|Backlog elimination drive]]''' participant, We are now coming up to the last few days of the drive, the last for 2010. Currently, it looks like we will achieve our target for reducing the backlog by 10%, however, we still have huge numbers for 2009. We have 55 participants in this drive. If everyone just clears 2 articles each, we will reduce the backlog by a further 110 articles. If everyone can just do 3 articles, we will hit 165. If you have yet to work on any articles and have rollover words, remember that you do need to copyedit at least a couple of articles in this drive for your previous rollover to be valid for the next drive. There are many very small articles that will take less than 5-10 minutes to copyedit. Use [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives#Finding_articles|CatScan]] to find them. Let's all concentrate our firepower on the first three months of 2009 as we approach the end of this final drive for the year. Thank you once again for participating, and see you at the finish line! – '''[[User:SMasters|SMasters]]''' ([[User talk:SMasters#top|talk]]) 04:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

==GOCE elections==
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/2011/Notice1}}
<small>Sent on behalf of the [[WP:GOCE|Guild of Copy Editors]] via [[User:SMasters|SMasters]] using [[Project:AWB|AWB]] on 02:33, 1 December 2010 (UTC)</small>

==  Spamstar of Glory ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | To [[User:Torchiest|Torchiest]] for diligence in the tireless battle against [[WP:SPAM|Linkspam]] on Wikipedia. --[[User:Hu12|Hu12]] ([[User talk:Hu12|talk]]) 20:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
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Many thanks for your tireless efforts in keeping article clear of spam and other nonsense.  Wikipedia is a better quality project because of hardworking and conscientious editors like you!--[[User:Hu12|Hu12]] ([[User talk:Hu12|talk]]) 20:47, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== ''[[A Momentary Lapse of Reason]]'' ==

The fact that the article was once at FAC does not mean that our [[WP:NFCC|non-free content criteria]] do not apply. Edit warring to keep an image which does not meet our NFCC is not at all acceptable, and I have seen users blocked for it. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 18:15, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, sorry, I appreciate that. I thought the distinction was more obvious than it clearly was. In any case, the issue is now resolved, and hopefully everyone involved has learnt something from it- many people have learnt about the nature of the NFCC, while I've learnt that this particular issue is by no means clear. (Also, I did not mean to threaten you, though I did threaten another user, I was merely trying to point out the severity of the issue.) I hope there are no hard feelings- I did find the whole thing a little tiring... [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 19:50, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

== Merry Christmas! ==

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| text  = <center><big><span style="color:red">'''Wishing you a very Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!'''</span></big></br>Wishing you all the very best for the season. Thanks for all your help and support this year. </br>Merry Christmas and may Santa be good to you! – '''[[User:SMasters|SMasters]]''' ([[User talk:SMasters#top|talk]]) 04:05, 24 December 2010 (UTC) </br><small>Click to play!</small> [[File:Oh Christmas Tree.ogg|noicon]]</center>
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== Re: Industrial music ==

Thanks for the message.  I will take a look at the discussion and see if I have anything to add.  Cheers! ---<font face="Georgia">'''[[User:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#009900">RepublicanJacobite</span>]]'''<sub>''[[User talk:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#006600">The'FortyFive'</span>]]''</sub></font> 15:55, 28 December 2010 (UTC)