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== When exactly do the Stanley Cup champs have to give the Cup back? ==
For example, the 1998 Red Wings repeated as Stanley Cup champs, but did they, for example, have to give the Cup back before the postseason started, or do they have to give it back when the team is eliminated? Using the 1997 and 1998 Red Wings as an example, did they get to keep the Cup two years straight without having to give it back in between their 1997 and 1998 championship years?[[Special:Contributions/76.177.160.69|76.177.160.69]] ([[User talk:76.177.160.69|talk]]) 00:58, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's my understanding that the Championship team only gets the Cup for the summer. Each player gets their day with the cup and the cup is usually at the home opener of the winning team. Once the season is back on the cup is frequently used for promotional purposes by the NHL and I have never seen any team physically posses the cup in any promotion after the next season starts. [[User:Seen0288|Seen0288]] ([[User talk:Seen0288|talk]]) 01:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
::The Anaheim Ducks paraded with the Cup for the Tournament of Roses Parade (in Pasadena, California near Los Angeles) partway into the 2007-08 season. Brad May was with the Cup for Anaheim's parade float. [[Special:Contributions/24.85.1.205|24.85.1.205]] ([[User talk:24.85.1.205|talk]]) 04:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== GA ==
This article will be on hold for GA until image copyright problem is resolved. [[User:OhanaUnited|<span style="background-color:#DDDDFF; font-weight:bold"><font color="#0000FF">OhanaUnited</font></span>]] 09:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:Look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Zzyzx11&oldid=133841382 this] diff. It seems that all is settled now. [[User:Evilclown93|Evilclown93]] 20:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

'''GA Review'''

1. Well written? Pass {{tick}}
Some [[WP:WTA]] are found, but doesn't really affect a lot and pretty hard to avoid using them. So I gave it a pass.

2. Factually accurate? Pass {{tick}}
Seems to have sufficient information on all important facts and dates with references.

3. Broad in coverage? Fail {{cross}}
It looks like there's too much information on the section "Traditions and anecdotes". Do we really need to get into the details?

4. Neutral point of view? Pass {{tick}}

5. Article stability? Pass {{tick}}
I consider this a pass with due regards to the fact that it changes once a year after a team wins the Stanley Cup.

6. Images? Pass{{tick}}
The debate about the image of the cup is over so I give it a pass.

The only thing need to be done is to shorten up the Traditions and anecdotes section. [[User:OhanaUnited|<span style="background-color:#DDDDFF; font-weight:bold"><font color="#0000FF">OhanaUnited</font></span>]] 13:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

: Broad in coverage {{done}} This article '''passes''' GA criteria. [[User:OhanaUnited|<span style="background-color:#DDDDFF; font-weight:bold"><font color="#0000FF">OhanaUnited</font></span>]] 12:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I think this page should include a broad coverage of all anecdotes. I myself would like to add one or two, but i'm limited in my capacity to do so. #29 Phil Borque was a member of the Pittsburgh Penguins when they won in the early 1990's. They won in 91 and 92, but I'm not sure which year he was on the team or which year this happened. While partying at #66 Mario Lemieux's house in Pittsburgh Phil threw the trophy into the pool. The trophy didn't fare well in the chlorene and had to be polished before the parade in downtown Pittsburgh the next day. He told this story a few days ago on the radio. He is currently the color comentator on the radio with Mike Lange on 105.9 The X, whose call letters are WXDX. There was also a commercial that stated the stanley cup engraver in 2001 finally had to learn how to spell Borque. This is incorrect because Phil Borque was already a member of the Pittsburgh Penguins when they won the cup. I apoligize for posting this in the wrong place but I knew if I put this information in here someone more knowledgable could inject it into the main article. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.8.25.81|64.8.25.81]] ([[User talk:64.8.25.81|talk]]) 08:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


I also would like to say the Traditions and Anecdotes section should atually be expanded. For a trophy which is held in such high regard with in it's community, it's actually had an incredible, long and eventfull history. That is after all what makes the cup, The Cup. Just a suggestion, if that particular area becomes rather lengthy, it could be moved to a page onto itself. Thank you all for your time, and have a good evening. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.106.29.202|12.106.29.202]] ([[User talk:12.106.29.202|talk]]) 04:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:When sections get that long and bloated like this section would be it is split out onto its own article. This one is located at [[Traditions and anecdotes associated with the Stanley Cup]]. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 16:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

==What material is it made up of?==
Is it known what the Stanley Cup is made of? I was a little interested in finding this out, but I didn't see any such info included in the intro or anywhere else in the article. What it is made of may be worth including in the article, IMO. [[User:Dominicus Cerberus|Dominicus Cerberus]] 07:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:The article mentions that it's made of silver several times. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] 09:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::Now that I knew to search for the word "silver," I did find that it was mentioned once that there was a silver band on the cup, and it was stated three or four times in the article that silversmiths worked on the Cup. But if the Cup really is made of pure silver, then I think that should be outright stated somewhere in the intro. At least two of the mentions of silversmiths weren't even made until the middle of the article. [[User:Dominicus Cerberus|Dominicus Cerberus]] 22:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== On the [[Main Page]] ==

The article is now on the Main Page (big news... Ducks win Cup), so keep an eye out for vandalism. [[User:Evilclown93|Evilclown93]] 01:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

==Engravings==
The introduction of the article claims that the Cup is "the only trophy in professional sports that has the name of the winning players, coaches, management, and club staff engraved upon it". The 'Engraving on the Cup' section, later in the article, states that this is not the case - other trophies do have these engravings, but the Stanley Cup is unique in that it has them on the chalice, as well as the base and rings. This needs to be clarified in the introductory paragraph. [[User:Ygoloxelfer|Ygoloxelfer]] 09:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The [[Grey Cup]] article states that "like the Stanley Cup, the Grey Cup has the team's name and players, coaches, & other staff members engraved every year onto the Cup." I believe that this is correct and that Stanley Cup article needs to be corrected.

:As a person who's actually touched the cup and examined it in person, I know for certain that the above quotation is correct! That said, it takes a citation for it to be verified as Wikipedia true, so here it is: [http://www.cbc.ca/cgi-bin/quiz/quiz.cgi?quiz=grey-cup-06 See bottom of the page]. [[User:Amchow78|Amchow78]] ([[User talk:Amchow78|talk]]) 21:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

::Would like to see a better source. And to me it looks like engravings on the Grey Cup are actually engraved on plaque which is attached to the wooden base of the trophy. —[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 22:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Perhaps this photo would better illustrate how there are engravings on the side of the Grey Cup.[http://www.mjtimes.sk.ca/photos/MooseJawTimesHerald/stories/Grey%20Cup2.jpg] Also, if I had access to the Grey Cup right now, combined with my camera, I would photograph one of the engravings upclose and upload it onto Wikipedia for all to see! Furthermore, though it may sound like I'm "pov pushing", I'm making a bona fide effort to point out a factual inaccuracy without a spiteful agenda ... a fact that the CFL website & the Canadian Football Hall of Fame are regrettably unable to provide me! :o( Also, the [[Canadian Broadcasting Corporation]] is a major Canadian network, and it's credibility is not at the same level as the typical blogger.[[User:Amchow78|Amchow78]] ([[User talk:Amchow78|talk]]) 01:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::::That photograph you provided confirms what I said, wooden base with an engraved plaque. That might be the reason why you are having a hard time finding a source since it isn't considered as engraving on the trophy but rather on a plaque. I know what CBC is, but generally sources should be published articles, not an online pop quiz. When you add information like that to the lead it can easily be considered pov pushing, but I do not think that it was your intention. I think we should get some more input on this, and if more accurate sources are found we can work the information into the main body of the articles with a slightly more [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral]] tone. Regards.—[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] <sup>([[User talk:Krm500|Communicate!]])</sup> 02:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::Much appreciated! I guess it's the way the sentence in the opening paragraph is phrased & how it's somewhat different than the way it's phrased in the NHL's website ("engraved on it" vs "engraved on the silver chalice"). The "engraving" portion of the article does a better job of making this distinction, and now that I see it ... it also gives an honourable mention to the Grey Cup! Therefore, I'll make that slight edit to correlate with the NHL's factoid, and leave it as is for the time being! I still respectfully disagree with the semantics of the claim, so I'll also see about trying to find more sources to back my claim about the Grey Cup when I get a chance! [[User:Amchow78|Amchow78]] ([[User talk:Amchow78|talk]]) 02:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::Well, that cannot be the reason because the names are not directly engraved on the Stanley Cup either. In fact every few years they remove one of the rings of names to retire in the Hockey Hall of Fame[http://www.hhof.com/html/exSCJ06_34.shtml]. I can also affirm that the names of players, coaches, and staff are engraved (and placed) on the Grey Cup and, unlike the Stanley Cup, it has ''all'' the winning teams on it. [[User:DoubleBlue|<font color="darkblue">'''Double'''</font><font color="blue">Blue</font>]] ([[User talk:DoubleBlue|Talk)]] 03:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Request for a Trophy Infobox... ==
I thought I'd ask here since the Stanley Trophy is the greatest trophy in the land...What are people's thoughts on a Trophy/Award Template? There are many, and I'm sure it's in the hundreds, big-time trophies/Awards in the world ([[Stanley Cup]],[[World Cup]],[[Claret Jug (golf trophy)Claret Jug]], [[Naismith Award]], [[Bednarik Award]],etc). These awards stretch over all sports across the world. I think that this would be a perfect place to start lobbying people for this template. Thoughts? [[User:Fuhreeus|Fuhreeus]] 10:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:I don't feel a trophy infobox would contribute much to an article, other than the date of its origin. All other information would be listed in the article. [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] 15:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The Stanley Cup isn't kept in a "bank vault" at the hall of fame as stated in the picture caption. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.198.171.32|71.198.171.32]] ([[User talk:71.198.171.32|talk]]) 18:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== WP:CANADA Assessment ==
I have assessed this as a Good Article (as it passed the requisite criteria) and of high importance, as most people would be familiar with the topic of the article and it is vital to understanding a specific topic (hockey) in Canada. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 16:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

== Copy edit ==

[[User talk:Maxim|Maxim]] has [[User talk:Awadewit#Some help needed...|asked me to copy edit]] this article. As I know nothing about hockey, I will be leaving a lot of internal questions in the article to clarify points before changes are made (these are best viewed with something like [[User:cacycle/wikEd|wikEd]] that color codes different kinds of edits). Also, I encourage other editors to alert me immediately if I introduce an error into the article - I want to know about it so that I don't make the same mistake in the future. Any extended questions I have, I will list here. (By the way, I think that the idea of a featured topic on trophies is excellent. I have been working on a featured topic myself ([[Template:Mary Wollstonecraft]]), but unfortunately, I have not had a whole project to help me out.) [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] | [[User talk:Awadewit|<small>talk</small>]] 22:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

*''Originally, Lord Stanley intended that the Cup should be awarded to the top amateur hockey team in Canada, to be decided by the acceptance of a challenge from another team.'' - This sentence does not explain to the reader who is challenging whom or how that would be decided. [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] | [[User talk:Awadewit|<small>talk</small>]] 22:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

: You are right, that should be re-written. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] 23:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*''In 1895, [[Queen's University, Kingston|Queen's University]] was the first official challenger for the Cup, not, however, without controversy. The [[Montreal Victorias]], who won the league title and thus the Stanley Cup the next year, but the challenge match was between the previous year's champion, Montreal HC, and the university squad. It was decided by the trustees that if the Montreal HC won the challenge match, the Victorias would become the Stanley Cup champions. The Montreal HC would eventually win the match 5-1 and their cross-town rivals were crowned the champions.'' - I do not understand why if the Victorias were crowned the champions when the HC won the game - please explain the reasoning behind this decision. [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] | [[User talk:Awadewit|<small>talk</small>]] 22:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

: The Cup went with the league, as well as the challenge series. The challenge was just really late. The challenge was supposed to be played before the end of the season, as it was supposed to pit league champion against league champions of the previous season! If Queen's had won, then their league (the Ontario HA) would become holder of the Cup and whomever won the 94-95 OHA season would take over as Cup champion. Victorias were the 94-95 AHAC champions and so took over the Cup on that basis. I hope this helps. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] 23:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

*The article has to have a consistent style for reporting series results - either spelled-out numbers or numerals. I don't know if there is a conventional practice or not. Check around. [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] | [[User talk:Awadewit|<small>talk</small>]] 00:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

*''In the 1970s, the [[World Hockey Association]] sought to challenge for the Cup. The Trustees denied them.''
:*They sought to challenge or they actually challenged? (Awadewit)
::*It wasn't a challenge cup anymore. Only the NHL could compete for it, and the WHA wanted to compete for the Cup with the NHL. The trustees didn't allow the WHA to do so. (Maxim)
:::*I got that. What I am trying to understand is a slight subtlety. Did they ''actually'' challenge and the NHL rejected their challenge or did they ''seek to challenge'' and the NHL said "if you try to challenge, we will reject you". These are two slightly different things. It should be clearer which of the two it is. [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] | [[User talk:Awadewit|<small>talk</small>]] 00:57, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: They seeked to challenge, and the ''trustees'' said "if you try to challenge, we will reject you". Simply they would not allow a challenge/competition from the WHA. '''<font face="Arial">[[User:Maxim|<font color="#FF7133">Maxim</font>]]<sub><small>[[User talk:Maxim|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Maxim|<font color="blue">(contributions)</font>]]</small></sub></font>''' 12:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
*"I would include this information in the article proper (Awadewit) But where? I don't see a good spot for it. (Maxim)" <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Maxim|Maxim]] ([[User talk:Maxim|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Maxim|contribs]]) 20:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*I still think the "Stanley Cup today" section is a bit stubby and awkwardly arranged and I think the trustee information could be better placed, but as for the sentence-level and paragraph-level prose, it looks good to me. [[User:Awadewit|Awadewit]] | [[User talk:Awadewit|<small>talk</small>]] 08:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

== Dimensions ==

As an actual, physical, 3 dimensional object, shouldn't this have dimensions, materials used, likely for the actual cup and then also the additional rings? [[User:Aboutmovies|Aboutmovies]] 11:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, what section would think is the best? I haven't searched for sources, but I know with a good degree of certainty that it's made out of silver, it's about 5 feet tall, and 1 foot wide, just by looking at it, but the silver I know for a fact, the cup was made by a silversmith. ;-) '''<font face="Arial">[[Special:Contributions/Maxim|<font color="#FF7133">Maxim</font>]]<sub><small>[[User talk:Maxim|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]]</small></sub></font>''' 12:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:: Seems like the people at FAC totally forgot about this matter. I'll take a look and try to find its dimension. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="#0000FF">OhanaUnited</font></b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="green"><sup>Talk page</sup></font></b>]] 16:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
::: Found the dimension. I added the info to the lead section. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="#0000FF">OhanaUnited</font></b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b><font color="green"><sup>Talk page</sup></font></b>]] 17:04, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== Additional image ==

I was looking through the [[List of members of the Hockey Hall of Fame]] and saw this image of [[Syl Apps]] with the Cup:

[[Image:Apps1.jpg]]

and noticed the Stanley Cup looked much different than it does in any of these pictures and different than how it currently looks. So, I figured this would be a good image to have in this article, though I'm not sure if it's already been in it. Has this image already been in the article and was removed or should it be added? The only downside, I couldn't figure out the year of this picture...looking at when he played and when Toronto won cups it must have been at the end of either the [[1941-42 NHL season]], [[1944-45 NHL season]], [[1946-47 NHL season]], or [[1947-48 NHL season]]. The article says the Cup was redesigned in 1948, so maybe this would be a good picture of what it looked like before hand. [[User:Bsroiaadn|Bsroiaadn]][[User talk:Bsroiaadn|<sup><small>Talk</small></sup>]] 06:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

:I've been [[WP:BOLD|BOLD]] and put this image instead of the Campbell image in "NHL takes over" section. It would be a better choice, as the current pic only shows Campbell with the cup we know today. This pic gives more variety. '''<font face="Arial">[[Special:Contributions/Maxim|<font color="#FF7133">Maxim</font>]]<sub><small>[[User talk:Maxim|<font color="blue">(talk)</font>]]</small></sub></font>''' 15:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

== Upcoming Stanley Cup ==

I've a contact from the Entertainment and Publicity director of the NHL sitting in OTRS. He's looking to explore ways of getting something on the front page for the upcoming competition. Anyone who can help with this or has suggestions, please email me. --''[[Wikinews:User:Brianmc|Brian McNeil]] /<sup>[[Wikinews:User talk:Brianmc|talk]]</sup>'' 09:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

== Lock Out Season ==

There is no mention of the controversy during the lock out season. A group of people protested the NHL not awarding the cup because it is technically not the property of the league. The NHL had to admit this.
<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:69.114.165.5|69.114.165.5]] ([[User talk:69.114.165.5|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.114.165.5|contribs]]) </small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:Please read the last paragraph of the "[[Stanley Cup#NHL takes over|NHL takes over]]" section. It currently says, "The lockout was controversial among many fans, who questioned whether the NHL had exclusive control over the Cup. A website known as freestanley.com (since closed) was launched, asking fans to write to the Cup trustees and urge them to return to the original Challenge Cup format." Cheers. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 06:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Ongoing Vandalism ==
Just undid some vandalism by 76.243.192.77. Checked his page and is the 2nd time hes done it. I recommend that an admin bans him. [[Special:Contributions/99.240.227.140|99.240.227.140]] ([[User talk:99.240.227.140|talk]]) 03:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:Leave a messege on [[WP:AIV]], they'll take care of it. Thanks! '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 03:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Women on the cup ==

This article states that 13 women have their names on the cup but the [[Traditions and anecdotes associated with the Stanley Cup]] article claims 12. Which is correct? <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:42, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:Whichever one is backed up by a good source. [http://www.legendsofhockey.net/html/silver_stFFFs.htm I count 13]. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 03:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
::And I count 12. M. Norris is mentioned twice. First in the "first woman on the cup" entry and then a second time in the full list of women on the cup. <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
::Oops, yeah. There's 12. '''<span style="border: 2px Black solid;background:Black;font-family: Tahoma">[[User:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">Black</font>]][[User talk:Blackngold29|<font color="#CDB87C">ngold29</font>]]</span>''' 14:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

:<s>But there's something else funny here. If you read the [http://www.legendsofhockey.net/html/silver_stFFFs.htm cited reference] a bit more carefully, you see:
:*Marian Ilitch (Detroit 1997, 1998, 2002)
:*Denise Ilitch Lites (Detroit 1997, 1998, 2002)
:*Lisa Ilitch Murray (Detroit 1997, 1998, 2002)
:*Carole Ilitch (Detroit 1997, 1998, 2002)
:Four first names, same team, same three years, same surname/maiden name. Are there really four different sisters (or a mother and three daughters), two married, who were all on the Detroit masthead from 1997-2002? —[[User:Ummit|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:Ummit|talk]]) 20:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)</s>

:: Never mind. Short answer: yes, there are. The first clue is that searching for "Ilitch" at [[Detroit Red Wings]] reveals that the ''owner'' is [[Mike Ilitch]]. Sure enough, Marian is his wife, and the other three are daughters. —[[User:Ummit|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:Ummit|talk]]) 20:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== "kidnapped" and held for ransom...? ==

I was astonished to read the "engraving" section of this article to learn that the cup had been, in the words of the article, "kidnapped" and held for ransom. There was no other mention of this event that I could see in the article, and the provided in-line reference doesn't mention a thing about the cup being "kidnapped" and held for ransom. I thought this might have been main-page vandalism, but I looked back through the history and saw that the version that was newly tagged as a featured article included this phrase. Ack. Shouldn't something be mentioned about this event that appears to be highly significant in the history of the subject of this article? Or is this just vandalism that nobody (including FA reviewers) noticed for months and months? [[User:Neil916|Neil916]] ([[User Talk:Neil916|Talk]]) 07:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:It doesn't look like vandalism, but it doesn't look like it's fully supported by the source either. It looks like it was first added [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stanley_Cup&diff=next&oldid=140966895 here], then removed and re-added with the reference right around [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stanley_Cup&diff=prev&oldid=164340595 here], by two eminently respectable editors on both occasions. I also didn't see anything in the source that correlates to this particular incident. In fact, it seems to contradict the statement that the existence of a replacement cup was first revealed in 1970; the ref contends the secret lasted about three years, which would put the year at 1967 or so, if my math is to be trusted. The reference ''does'' mention some sort of similar incident in Chicago during the 1962 playoffs, but it doesn't say anything about ransom, or even if the theft was successful—the ref only says "attempted to steal", but one of the engravers says it was actually stolen. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 08:51, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and removed that part for now. I've also changed the 1970 date to just "three years later", which is more in line with what the reference says. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 09:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== ".. most coveted.. in the world.." ==

On main page it says:
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The Stanley Cup is the most coveted ice hockey club championship trophy in the world, awarded annually to the National Hockey League (NHL) champion.
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So, how can it possibly be the most coveted trophy in THE WORLD, if it's awarded only to the NHL champion, which is American?
Is wikipedia getting way too America-centric? Seems so.. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.40.240.137|88.40.240.137]] ([[User talk:88.40.240.137|talk]]) 22:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:no, just some or one of its editors.--[[Special:Contributions/68.9.116.76|68.9.116.76]] ([[User talk:68.9.116.76|talk]]) 23:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

It's not really American, just a majority of the teams are. The HHOF is in Canada. Plus players fight for rankings around the world to be apart of the NHL to get their names engraved on it. That is why they call it that. [[User:Asatruar|Asatruar]] ([[User talk:Asatruar|talk]]) 09:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:That is actually quite a bold statement, I think a rephrase would be good. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 11:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

To win the Stanley Cup one has to be part of the NHL, and thus to be one of the 24 american or 6 canadian teams.. Sure they accept other players, but that's not like the Olympics where anyone(whose country is recognized..) can participate. Thus it can't be the most coveted hockey cup in the world. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.40.240.137|88.40.240.137]] ([[User talk:88.40.240.137|talk]]) 18:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Sure it can. People from all over the world try to make it into the NHL. The NHL is considered the top level hockey league no matter where in the world you live. Which would make its championship the most coveted. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 18:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:: That's a ''presumption,'' unfortunately. [[User:Ravenswing|'''<span style="background:Blue;color:Cyan"> &nbsp;Ravenswing&nbsp;</span>''']] 18:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::: There are exceptions to every rule, of course some may choose not to go to the NHL etc. But in order for something to be the most coveted trophy in the world for hockey only 51% of the people have to feel its the most important trophy. And I would say that is easily the case for hockey fans around the world. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 18:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::No, it doesn't even have to be coveted by a [[majority]], just by a [[plurality]]. Unless there is another club trophy more coveted than or as coveted as the Stanley Cup, the Stanley Cup ''is'' the most coveted club trophy in the world (though not necessarily the most coveted ''throughout'' the world, which seems to be what the original IP thinks it claimed). I'm 100% sure that this is the case (the second most coveted/prestigious club championship would probably be the new [[Continental Hockey League|KHL]], and I can't imagine that it will come anywhere close to the Stanley Cup), but it's probably impossible to source such a thing, so I agree with its removal. It might be mentioned that the [[International Ice Hockey Federation]] thinks that it is the only club championship important enough to be a prerequisite for the [[Triple Gold Club]], though, which might say something about ''prestigious'' but not really about ''coveted''. -- [[User:Jao|Jao]] ([[User talk:Jao|talk]]) 20:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh I realize it had to be a plurality. I just said 51% because at that point there is no way another could be more coveted. I think the main problem is that in some parts of the world the Ice Hockey World Championship (though obviously not a club trophy) is more coveted than the Stanley Cup. That is the only real contender to the Stanley Cups claim. As far as sourcing all you would really need is a [[WP:RS]] calling it the most coveted championship trophy which I wouldn't think would be that hard to find. That being said we can definately tone down the language. I was just pointing out that it wasn't an outrageous thing to say. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 20:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
== Bot report : Found duplicate references ! ==
In [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?useskin=monobook&title=Stanley_Cup&redirect=no&oldid=229693667 the last revision I edited], I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
* "DiamondNHL100–45" :
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== Cup wins by city ==

Is there a list of Cup wins by city? As part of the Habs centennial, a newspaper article said that Montreal has won the cup 36 times, 24 by les Canadiens. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.198.171|76.66.198.171]] ([[User talk:76.66.198.171|talk]]) 03:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:The list of champions article seems to indicate there are another 25 Montreal wins to the 24 of les Habitants. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.198.171|76.66.198.171]] ([[User talk:76.66.198.171|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment was added at 03:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Name scratched of (with photo) ==

Why did they do it? Is it against the rules? If it is then why did they allow this in the first place? It seems the NHL is making a lot of errors and it seems strange since it seems common but unacceptable for a trophy of this significance. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.32.31.254|68.32.31.254]] ([[User talk:68.32.31.254|talk]]) 03:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The scratched off name was added by the owner of the Edmonton Oilers. He added his father (without permission from the league), and it was later scratched off. -- [[User:Scorpion0422|<font color="#FF8C00">Scorpion</font>]]<sup>[[user talk:Scorpion0422|<font color="black">0422</font>]]</sup> 03:52, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
So I'm guessing the league wouldnt have given him permission if he asked right? Or was it that he just didnt ask?
But my biggest question is how did the owner add it? Did he take an engraver and scratch out the name? I thought they had special people do it that was beyond the owner of the Stanley cup champions team <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.32.31.254|68.32.31.254]] ([[User talk:68.32.31.254|talk]]) 04:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I am pretty sure they just added his dad's name to the list of people to put on the cup and then it was later found out that his father didn't actually have any real job duties with the team which meant he wasn't elligible to be on the cup. -[[User:Djsasso|Djsasso]] ([[User talk:Djsasso|talk]]) 12:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== the bowl and its manufacture ==

There seems to be some confusion - I have changed the phrase which said the bowl was 'forged' in Sheffield as silver is not forged. It would have been made in Sheffield by one company - the hallmark will tell you who - and then '''sold''' by G R Collis and Co in London. Collis and Co didn't make it: they only operated as manufacturing silversmiths (as opposed to retailing ones) in Birmingham and London, so if the bowl was made in Sheffield it was by another compnay, and Collis acted as the retailer in London. It was a [[punch bowl]], a specific type of bowl, so I have linked to that. Further information here [http://www.hhof.com/html/exSCJ06_01.shtml] [http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Birmingham-G.html] [http://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/London-GK-GR.html]. BTW, Boodles and Dunthorne Jewellers is spelled the British way as it is a proper name. [[Special:Contributions/86.137.138.12|86.137.138.12]] ([[User talk:86.137.138.12|talk]]) 11:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


== Right Sentence Structure? ==
== Right Sentence Structure? ==
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I want to gauge everyone's opinion on whether the 125th Anniversary Commemorative Coins paragraph should be kept in or removed, does it or does it not meet notability as such? What ever the consensus is, I will abide. So let's go. [[User:YborCityJohn|YborCityJohn]] ([[User talk:YborCityJohn|talk]]) 18:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
I want to gauge everyone's opinion on whether the 125th Anniversary Commemorative Coins paragraph should be kept in or removed, does it or does it not meet notability as such? What ever the consensus is, I will abide. So let's go. [[User:YborCityJohn|YborCityJohn]] ([[User talk:YborCityJohn|talk]]) 18:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:An entire section is overkill. A sentence at the appropriate point of the history maybe. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 23:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:: I put it together with the Stanley Cup monument mention. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 20:25, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

==Engraving Errors==
This section claims that "Dickie Moore, who won the Cup six times, had his name spelled differently five times (D. Moore, Richard Moore, R. Moore, Dickie Moore, Rich Moore)." Is this really an error or just inconsistency? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.179.186.73|98.179.186.73]] ([[User talk:98.179.186.73#top|talk]]) 12:19, 29 December 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Name inscriptions section's logic is not clear==
This section uses OR AND logic in the sentence explaining the conditions a player must meet to have his name engraved on the cup. But the logic is not clear at all, is it A OR ( B AND C) or is it (A OR B ) AND C, they are not the same at all and the way it is written currently means the former ( which might be correct, but you cannot expect everyone to know about logical operator precedence). This needs to be explained in a more straightforward way. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A01:E0A:69:1240:4588:2E1F:89CA:8088|2A01:E0A:69:1240:4588:2E1F:89CA:8088]] ([[User talk:2A01:E0A:69:1240:4588:2E1F:89CA:8088#top|talk]]) 20:51, 9 April 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Picture ==

The main pic in this article looks a little ridiculous with the Cup being all cropped out with a blank background. I'm not even sure the pic is real. The rest of the NHL trophies' pages have actual pictures of the trophies sitting atop a surface in a literal real-life setting.

Wouldn't this be better?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Hhof_stanley_cup.jpg

It's a regular picture like the rest of the trophies as well as sitting in the Hockey Hall of Fame like the rest of them. The current one isn't only cruddy-looking, but also unprofessional and even ugly. Shouldn't we fix this? [[Special:Contributions/2601:42:3:63D0:28DA:A5C5:4B68:638D|2601:42:3:63D0:28DA:A5C5:4B68:638D]] ([[User talk:2601:42:3:63D0:28DA:A5C5:4B68:638D|talk]]) 09:38, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

==Stanley Cup==
FYI, [[wikt:en:Stanley Cup]] has been nominated for deletion -- [[Special:Contributions/67.70.32.97|67.70.32.97]] ([[User talk:67.70.32.97|talk]]) 23:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

== Updated Cup photo? ==

The 2015 photo of the cup is outdated with the recent season and maybe a newer photo of the cup with new seasons is better? [[Special:Contributions/2600:1006:B1CF:4600:39B3:4113:5B41:274E|2600:1006:B1CF:4600:39B3:4113:5B41:274E]] ([[User talk:2600:1006:B1CF:4600:39B3:4113:5B41:274E|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 20:30, 30 June 2024

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Right Sentence Structure?

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"named for Lord Stanley of Preston, then–Governor General of Canada, who awarded..." seems to be badly structured. Am I correct? Buscus 3 (talk) 03:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article conflict

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Please see Talk:Brendan Burke#Article conflict. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Original Version of Stanley Cup

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The article talks about the three existing cups: original (1892), authenticated (1963), and replica versions (1993). The original version 'grew' in stove-pipe fashion until the 1940s, at which point it was redesigned to look like what we are used to today. The authenticated version was created in 1963. A current picture of the original cup shows only the original 'bowl'. Is it safe to assume (and maybe it should be added to the article), that once the authenticated 1963 version was made, the original version was taken apart with all additional rings taken off and most likely added to the authenticated version. This is just my assumption, but I am curious to know if it is correct.Juve2000 (talk) 00:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Serge Savard name on Cup

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Hi, are you sure Savard name is not on the Cup 8 times because I did a contribution and it was reverted. If you click on this link and go to Quick Hits and then to Most appearances on Cup (player) you see that Serge Savard has 8 --> http://www.hhof.com/htmlsilverware/silver_stFFFs.shtml @Zzyzx11:. I suggest that if there may be a confusion to simply erase the word engraved and add Savard. Thank you. --Danielvis08 (talk) 03:10, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, unfortunately the hhof site is full of errors. They, like a lot of the public, are confusing winning the cup with being on the cup. -DJSasso (talk) 03:12, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Trustees

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I think the trustees section should show how each line descends. For example:

Trustee Year of Appointment Served Until Trustee Year of Appointment Served Until
Sheriff John Sweetland 1893 1907 P. D. Ross 1893 1949
William Foran 1907 1945
Cooper Smeaton 1946 1978 Mervyn "Red" Dutton 1950 1987
Clarence Campbell 1979 1984
Justice Willard Estey 1984 2002 Brian O'Neill 1987 current
Ian "Scotty" Morrison 2002 current

This is how List of Co-Princes of Andorra is done. Alternatively, it might make sense to use a timeline graphic.--Metallurgist (talk) 04:34, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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TFA rerun

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I'd like to throw this article into the pile of potential TFA reruns for this year and next, but I'm seeing more unreferenced text than we're generally comfortable with at FAC. Anyone interested in helping out? If it helps, here's a list of dead or dubious links. - Dank (push to talk) 23:50, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seeing 6 dead links and 1 dubious link today. - Dank (push to talk) 19:10, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You are more likely to get a response on the ice hockey wikiproject page. Most talk of this nature goes on there. I'd just post a link there to this discussion. -DJSasso (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, TFA re-runs are a thing now? Resolute 19:25, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A thing indeed. RfC is at WT:Today's_featured_article/Archive_9, and there's a discussion at WT:TFA now. I'll be posting my list there soon, covering one month this year and the four months next year that I'll be scheduling. - Dank (push to talk) 19:52, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, unwatching here, but ping me if there's progress, please. - Dank (push to talk) 15:27, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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125th Anniversary Commemorative Coins paragraph, Inclusion or Removal?

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I want to gauge everyone's opinion on whether the 125th Anniversary Commemorative Coins paragraph should be kept in or removed, does it or does it not meet notability as such? What ever the consensus is, I will abide. So let's go. YborCityJohn (talk) 18:14, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

An entire section is overkill. A sentence at the appropriate point of the history maybe. Resolute 23:28, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I put it together with the Stanley Cup monument mention. Alaney2k (talk) 20:25, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Engraving Errors

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This section claims that "Dickie Moore, who won the Cup six times, had his name spelled differently five times (D. Moore, Richard Moore, R. Moore, Dickie Moore, Rich Moore)." Is this really an error or just inconsistency? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.179.186.73 (talk) 12:19, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Name inscriptions section's logic is not clear

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This section uses OR AND logic in the sentence explaining the conditions a player must meet to have his name engraved on the cup. But the logic is not clear at all, is it A OR ( B AND C) or is it (A OR B ) AND C, they are not the same at all and the way it is written currently means the former ( which might be correct, but you cannot expect everyone to know about logical operator precedence). This needs to be explained in a more straightforward way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:69:1240:4588:2E1F:89CA:8088 (talk) 20:51, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

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The main pic in this article looks a little ridiculous with the Cup being all cropped out with a blank background. I'm not even sure the pic is real. The rest of the NHL trophies' pages have actual pictures of the trophies sitting atop a surface in a literal real-life setting.

Wouldn't this be better?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Hhof_stanley_cup.jpg

It's a regular picture like the rest of the trophies as well as sitting in the Hockey Hall of Fame like the rest of them. The current one isn't only cruddy-looking, but also unprofessional and even ugly. Shouldn't we fix this? 2601:42:3:63D0:28DA:A5C5:4B68:638D (talk) 09:38, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stanley Cup

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FYI, wikt:en:Stanley Cup has been nominated for deletion -- 67.70.32.97 (talk) 23:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Updated Cup photo?

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The 2015 photo of the cup is outdated with the recent season and maybe a newer photo of the cup with new seasons is better? 2600:1006:B1CF:4600:39B3:4113:5B41:274E (talk) 20:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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