Talk:Ariana Grande

Lead update and more

@Ben0006 I noticed your changes on Grande's lead. I don't think "The Voice" should be added, as her stint on there was very brief and for only for one season. The last paragraph is more reserved for her acting duties, with the Wicked movies coming up.

Also, Grande has sold 90 million records, which is also sourced and listed in here, and she now ties Rihanna for the most songs with one billion streams, and has won 10 MTV Video Music Awards. Months ago, the sentence "all of her studio albums have been certified platinum or multi-platinum by the RIAA" was removed, as her most recent album wasn't platinum. It was certified platinum this month, so it should be re-added too.

The last sentence of the first paragraph ends very abruptly. Maybe add "she is noted for her four-octave vocal range and her signature use of the whistle register, while her personal life has been subject of widespread public interest", as Grande's private has been heavily discussed by the media, since the beginning of her career, especially in recent years with her divorce and relationships. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed the part about "The Voice". But I came to find out it isn't mentioned anywhere in the prose. Shouldn't it be?

I updated the statistics.

The last sentence of the first paragraph would become: "Regarded as a pop icon and an influential figure in popular music, she is noted for her four-octave vocal range and her signature use of the whistle register, while her personal life has been subject of widespread public interest."

What do you think about the sentence structure-wise? Is it fine or should it be split or redone?

Ben | he/him (talk) 20:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant. Also, you forgot to include "the" before "RIAA diamond-certified". Mirrored7 (talk) 20:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm fine with the most of these edits, but I really don't think interest in Grande's private life is second-sentence-in-lead-worthy. Aoi (青い) (talk) 20:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Why? Just last year her divorce was widely discussed in the media. No to forget Manchester in 2017, the overdose of her ex-boyfriend in 2018 and her song "Thank U, Next" making a big impact in media and pop culture. She literally gets extensive media coverage every time she's in a new relationship or breaks up, same as Taylor Swift. She is also one of the most followed artists on social media and her fashion sense and ponytail are widely seen as "iconic". Mirrored7 (talk) 20:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not saying any of this isn't notable (or even that it shouldn't be in the lead at all), but I disagree that it's important enough to merit inclusion in the second sentence of the lead paragraph. Aoi (青い) (talk) 21:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, then let at least move "Rolling Stone named her one of the greatest vocalists of all time" to the first paragraph, just to establish it more. Mirrored7 (talk) 21:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

This was moved further into the lead per this thread above. I did not participate in that discussion but will note that singling out a specific publication in the opening paragraph seems to go against MOS:OPEN, which cautions against going into specifics in the opening paragraph. It also appears to give undue weight to a single publication. Aoi (青い) (talk) 21:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, now that you mention it. @Ben0006

This was removed back in Spring for unexplained reason. It should definitely be a re-added back.

In September 2021, she joined as a coach of the twenty-first season of The Voice; Grande became the highest-paid coach in the show's history, earning a reported $25 million per season. Mirrored7 (talk) 20:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Grande is now the female artist with the most songs over one billion streams on Spotify, with 17. Update. @Ben0006

Alos, add, "She was declared the Top Global Female Recording Artist of 2018 by the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI)", to her "Achievements" section.

Source: https://www.musicweek.com/talent/read/drake-named-ifpi-s-global-recording-artist-of-2018/075443 Mirrored7 (talk) 20:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

+ Grande has 22 top tens and ten number one songs on the Mainstream Top 40. Mirrored7 (talk) 08:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Where does the 22 top-tens and 10 number-ones part go exactly? In the chart-related paragraph in "Awards and recognition"?

Ben | he/him (talk) 09:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Yup. Mirrored7 (talk) 10:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, remove "On the Billboard 200 decade-end chart of the 2010s, the album ranked at number 68" and "the fourth-best-selling album by a woman", as number 68 and fourth-best selling, aren't that significant. Mirrored7 (talk) 10:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

It does not explicitly state that she was honored with that specific title. However, it can be added that she was one of the top 10 global recording artists of 2018 (#8), 2019 (#6), and 2020 (#8), and she was the top or highest-ranked woman in the list of 2018 (second being Lady Gaga at #9).

Ben | he/him (talk) 10:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

1. Yes. Also, don't forgot the Pop Airplay info. Add them both in the Achievements section. She is also now the female artist with the most songs with over a billion streams on Spotify. Add in the lead. @Ben0006

2. Career section: It's enough to mention, that she was on SNL twice, performing and hosting, and she performed at the MET Gala with Cynthia Eviro this year. However, I would remove unnecessary details like the songs she performed. Also remove, YouTube session info, as it was insignificant to her career and only promotion. That too, "Grande performed a medley of "Imagine", "My Favorite Things", "7 Rings", and "Thank U, Next". Source: https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/snl-season-50-hosts-ariana-grande-john-mulaney-michael-keaton-1236149087/

3. Revert the change, that was made back in early August with combining the Achievements and Impact section, now "Awards and recognitions". Both should be apart, as Grande is a significant figure who has made enough impact on pop culture.

4. "tying with Justin Bieber for the third-most chart-toppers and with Maroon 5 for the third-most top-tens. With 30 weeks at number one across her ten leaders, she has the seventh-most weeks at the summit." and "In February 2021, "34+35" replaced "Positions" at the top spot of the Pop Airplay chart, making Grande the first artist to succeed herself at number one as the only act credited on both tracks. She also is just the fifth artist in history to replace themselves on the Pop Songs airplay chart.[201] Grande also simultaneously occupied the top two spots of the airplay chart with the two tracks, becoming the first artist to simultaneously occupy the top two with two solo songs, and just the sixth artist ever to simultaneously occupy the entire top two of the chart." That's too much information too and you already mentioned the latter in the career section. Mirrored7 (talk) 14:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Update "Grande is also one of the highest-certified artists in the UK, with nearly 28 million units" to "one of the best selling female artists in the UK, with over 31 million units", and include the article in it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_female_music_artists_in_the_United_Kingdom

Also, "The Boy Is Mine" peaked at #16, back in March, when the whole album charted on the Hot 100. Not afterwards. Mirrored7 (talk) 15:15, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Adding later today!

Ben | he/him (talk) 16:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Remove unnecessary TV shows and only keep notable movies; Hairspray Live, Don't Look Up, The Wicked movies on Filmography. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Please reorganize the Filmography section, similar Taylor Swift's. Films on one side, Documentaries on the other (One Love Manchester, Excuse Me, I Love You, etc.). Remove "The Voice", as her stint was only for one season and not that significant to her career. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

References

Added!

Ben | he/him (talk) 05:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Mirrored7 (talk) 05:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 While I appreciate your most recent changes, I think, "has over 100 million certified units (album and songs) sold in the US", in the lead is too much info, as it's already in the Achievements section and the lead is getting to long, so "all of her studio albums have been certified platinum or higher by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and she is among the fifth-highest-certified female digital singles artist on their Top Artists (Digital Singles) ranking."

Also, Grande has now the MOST songs with over a billion streams for a woman on Spotify, in a tie with Rihanna and she has sold over 131 million units, across albums, singles, and features, not 108. Mirrored7 (talk) 05:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed the units sentence in the lead and added about the tie with Rihanna.

Regarding the number of the units, 108 million is the total number of RIAA certified sales, albums (12 million) and singles (95.5 million) combined, according to the RIAA database. However, it does not take into account certified units as a feature.

So, is 131 million the number including features, what you mean?

I also noticed that "Bang Bang", which was certified diamond in May, is not included in/added to her certifications? The diamond units was stated as 0. And she is a co-lead artist on the single, not a feature.

Ben | he/him (talk) 06:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

The units are in here, when you go directly after her name. I'm pretty sure, that's the number when you count the features. There should be a note to search Grande's features in the database, so there will be no misunderstanding, or it could be misleading. Mirrored7 (talk) 08:20, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Chappell Roan recently stated admiration for Grande, describing herself as "an Arianator". Maybe add her to the artists, Grande has influenced. Mirrored7 (talk) 09:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Don't really understand your problem. What does that have to do with the lenght of Grande's career, when in fact, the streaming era started less than ten years ago and she is one of the most streamed artists of all time. When does "all the time" work? When she is about 50 and 30 years in her career? Many artists have "all the time" in their lead and their doing it way less years in their careers than her. Is their any rule for that, or is that your opinion? @Escape Orbit Mirrored7 (talk) 05:00, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Mirrored7 I don't know why you have dropped this into the middle of another discussion. If you have a question for me, please introduce it in proper context to explain what you are referencing. Would also appreciate it not being personalised as "your problem". This page is to discuss improvements with the article. Thanks. Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 08:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 When I think about it, re-add "and has over 131 million certified units sold (across album, songs and features) in the US". Just mention the features too, so there will be no confusion.

Grande and Rihanna are now both the female artists with the MOST songs with over a billion. It reads SECOND-most.

Add more information to Eternal Sunhine. Maybe "After a musical hiatus, Grande ventured into dance music on her seventh album, Eternal Sunshine (2024), which received critical acclaim and produced the number-one singles "Yes, And?" and "We Can't Be Friends (Wait for Your Love)". It became her fourth consecutive number one album on the Billboard 200.

Restructure the paragraph about informations about her Spotify achievements:

"On Spotify, Grande was the most-streamed female act of the 2010s, has the second-most songs with over a billion streams for a woman, with 16, and is the second-most streamed female artist on the platform, as of 2024."

Remove specific Instagram follower number, as many celebrities are losing followers right now, because of the removal of spam accounts and just mention that she is "the third-most-followed female and sixth-most-followed individual on Instagram".

Re-add "ever" behind "one of the most streamed artists, as the conversation is about whenever to add "all the time". Mirrored7 (talk) 05:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

The source of 98 billion streams was randomly removed back in Spring. @Flabshoe1

Deadline is a reliable source, so it should be re-added back, as Grande is still the most streamed artist overall as of 2021, and there has been no other source claiming otherwise since then. So, "Having amassed 98 billion streams thus far, she is one of the most-streamed artists ever, and the most-streamed female artist as of 2021."

@Ben0006 Mirrored7 (talk) 19:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

References

Thanks, I'll add 98 billion streams back now that we have a source for it. Is there a source for her being the most streamed artist overall or female artist as of 2021? (Edit: I found this article in the history which states she became the first female artist with 90 billion streams in 2021, so bringing this back too). Flabshoe1 (talk) 20:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

References

@Ben0006 Add her Facebook and TikTok pages to "external links". Add Twitter info with sources, as it's worth knowing, that she had a Twitter Account.

nearly 90 million followers: https://www.geo.tv/latest/389693-ariana-grande-leaves-fans-completely-baffled-as-she-deactivates-twitter-account

with 85 million followers: https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-celebrities-least-favorite-social-platform-elon-musk-buy-1701104

Re-add Instagram count and placements with sources, as it's impressive neverthless.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/2024/03/01/who-has-the-most-followers-on-instagram/72524222007/

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-has-the-most-followers-on-instagram-soccer-stars-kardashians-2023-11

Mirrored7 (talk) 06:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL, her Facebook and TikTok pages should not be included in the external links. And requesting that another user add her IG follower count, etc., despite a lack of consensus to do so in the thread below (#Source for Social Media followers is not advisable. Aoi (青い) (talk) 07:26, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Remove “other names” section

I’m so confused why her nickname needed to be added: She has never been professionally known as ‘Ari’. It’s simply just a nickname Olivergrandeee (talk) 11:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree tbh. Has no purpose either. Mirrored7 (talk) 20:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. I removed it. Prefall 20:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Re-etablish "Impact" section

Hello guys, I don't know why Ariana's Impact section was deleted and why its content was moved to the "awards and recognition" section, but I demand that the Impact section be restored, because it is obvious that Ariana already has her place within the music industry and her impact on pop culture is undeniable, so please, I call the motion to restore what was already there, please. 2800:BF0:60:F22:91A8:2AB7:D321:91B0 (talk) 12:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The change was pointless. Can you fix this? @Ben0006 Grande has made enough of an impact in the industry that she deserves her own "Impact" section and the "Achievements" section is long enough already.

Grande will most likely be placed in the top ten of the "Billboard’s Greatest Pop Stars of the 21st Century" this month. So, let's wait until then, so the section can be updated, with more content. Mirrored7 (talk) 20:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mirrored7

Oh thank u so much, please do everything to restore the Impact section. Personally i think it was unfair to remove it because Ariana certainly has impact on music industry and life overall. 186.65.53.238 (talk) 14:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ben0006 Again, can you fix this? Orginally there was a "Achievements" and "Impact" section both which are now "Awards and recognitions". Look it up and revert it.

Edits:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ariana_Grande&diff=prev&oldid=1239434628

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ariana_Grande&diff=prev&oldid=1239434825 Mirrored7 (talk) 14:58, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll look into it and revert it. I will just check and make sure that any new content added since the change, is not deleted.

Reformatting later today. Thanks!

Ben | he/him (talk) 16:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Great. Thanks! Mirrored7 (talk) 11:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, so it's a perfect time to restore Impact section since the greatest pop stars 21st century article came out and we can add some of it. Thanks!

https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/ariana-grande-greatest-pop-stars-21st-century-1235804073/ 186.65.52.87 (talk) 20:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Great work! @Ben0006 While you are it, can you finally re-establish the "Achievements" and "Impact" section?

There are some good points from the new Billboard article, that showcases Grande's impact in pop music;

Her influence on newer pop artists;

"Trace that ring from start to finish, and you’ll witness something fascinating; a young woman who managed not only to transform her pain into prosperity, but created a mold-breaking model for success. The career framework Grande built has only benefitted recent pop ingénues like Sabrina Carpenter and Tate McRae, who’ve capitalized on her streaming-focused strategies and sweetly melodic (and slyly winking) pop&B sound to rocket-launch their own music. Ariana Grande consciously changed how pop music is perceived and enjoyed by the masses, in a way a new generation of fans and artists will forever be so f–king grateful for."

Billboard stating that Grande’s “thank u, next” is an album that reshaped the entire music streaming industry;

"Where Adele had revit album sales in 2010, Grande became proof of concept at how the streaming era could generate gargantuan pop idols in the modern music business. Curating the social media experience for her army of Arianators over the course of her career paid dividends in Grande’s modern eras, as her loyal fan base rallied to support their fave at all costs, even as they occasionally crossed the line with comments about her image and personal life. She learned from the prolificacy of her hip-hop contemporaries like Drake that more was more when it came to content creation. Putting those two skills together, Grande became the artist to beat in the streaming game. " Mirrored7 (talk) 12:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Would the Impact section be well sized enough to split though?

And I believe much of that will be converted into prose, to avoid too many quotes.

Ben | he/him (talk) 17:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Probably, if we add the Billboard article. I have some similar articles/sources about Grande's impact, I can later post in here. It should be similar to the likes of Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Bruno Mars or Adele's Impact/Legacy sections. We definitely could get it to 3-4 sections.

I know this needs some time, and is not as easy, because of phrasing and adding sources, so please don't rush. I just want to make sure, you have it on your radar. Mirrored7 (talk) 19:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Sounds perfect.

Yes, it will take time, but will be done gradually. (Some) content about honors by publications and artists inspired/influenced is there already.

The excerpts you shared from the Billboard article will be added eventually.

Ben | he/him (talk) 19:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi everybody. So since the Christina Aguilera's interview from Rolling Stone came out she said this about Ariana and her production skills: “i’m not the girl who sits behind a line board visually & does my own. i’m like, God bless, Ariana, i’m not that girl”. If you can add this on Impact section would be amazing, something similar what Katy Perry said. Thank you so much for your labor.

https://youtube/jGwkU0DC8ec?si=kVxD6HWxRvryH3FL 2800:BF0:60:F22:8527:F403:EB60:5B8D (talk) 10:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Name Pronunciation

It's not the correct pronunciation. It's not Grahnday, it's Grandee. 2A02:3100:6468:2F00:B58B:7BD:E8AD:26EC (talk) 10:17, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

The pronunciation is still wrong! 2A02:3100:592E:200:F06D:CA61:5F43:9A47 (talk) 15:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

You won't get any traction here unless you show WP:SECONDARY sources supporting your pronunciation. Binksternet (talk) 16:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpUTDAfktYU 2A02:3100:5E24:B00:ACC3:F680:254E:D1E4 (talk) 14:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

She literally hasn’t referred to herself as “Grandee” since this interview. In every interview shes done since (most recently Wicked press) It’s Grahn-day. It shouldn’t be changed because that’s how everyone (including herself) pronounces her name now. Olivergrandeee (talk) 22:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

+ Plus that Beats interview is already referenced in a note next to her name Olivergrandeee (talk) 22:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Source for Social Media followers

I'm kinda irritated. Since when, do you need sources for followers from Forbes etc., when you have literal access to that artists accounts, where can you see the most accurate number. Isn't it the biggest source you can get? Every artist has it sourced that way. @Lililolol Mirrored7 (talk) 18:05, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you reverted? @Ben0006 Thanks! Mirrored7 (talk) 18:57, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Bruhh why reverte :) Lililolol (talk) 19:48, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Seemed like a fine removal to me. Citing follower counts using primary sources does not establish notability of the numbers themselves, and linking to wiki articles like List of most-followed Instagram accounts for specific rankings is not appropriate as WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Much of that paragraph is unencyclopedic in its current form. Prefall 19:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

@Prefall

Tik Tok numbers: https://www.rnd.de/medien/ariana-grande-spricht-ueber-bodyshaming-appell-auf-tiktok-J57VXAHV4ZB5NEJLKZNEXMA53Q.html (Reliable German source)

Instgram numbers: https://www.brandwatch.com/blog/top-most-instagram-followers/ (One of the most reliable social media sources.)

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/2024/03/01/who-has-the-most-followers-on-instagram/72524222007/

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-has-the-most-followers-on-instagram-soccer-stars-kardashians-2023-11

380 million which is a much closer number than 150 million.

Sources about her deleted Twitter account:

nearly 90 million followers: https://www.geo.tv/latest/389693-ariana-grande-leaves-fans-completely-baffled-as-she-deactivates-twitter-account

with 85 million followers: https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-celebrities-least-favorite-social-platform-elon-musk-buy-1701104 Mirrored7 (talk) 20:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mirrored7 Artist accounts fall under primary sources (WP:PSTS), which is why they were tagged, also primary sources aren’t always reliable, and I don't think we should include follower counts unless the amount is significant (per WP:SIGCOV). By significant, I mean platforms like her Instagram and Spotify, which have a notable number of followers that received coverage—unlike her Twitter, Facebook, and TikTok, which don’t need to be included due to the lack of notability, i.e., coverage. Lililolol (talk) 19:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

@Prefall There are sources for the numbers outside follower counts. I would agree, for TikTok and Facebook, as there is really not enough coverage. However, I would add them on "external links".

Grande is known for her strong social media following, which heavily counts in her Instagram. Her having 380 million is worth mentioning, as it's a high number and therefore impressive. Her being "the sixth most followed individual and third female", is worth being mentiond too, as many celebrities are losing followers right now, with Instagram removing bots and fake accounts, the placements will not change any time soon. Stating "that she one of the most followed", would not make the reader think, that she is among the top ten most followed. Mirrored7 (talk) 07:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

@Lililolol Sources about her Instagram followers and deleted Twitter are available.

So must of it should be re-added back.

Most recent Instagram numbers: https://www.brandwatch.com/blog/top-most-instagram-followers/

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/2024/03/01/who-has-the-most-followers-on-instagram/72524222007/

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-has-the-most-followers-on-instagram-soccer-stars-kardashians-2023-11

Sources about her deleted Twitter account:

https://www.geo.tv/latest/389693-ariana-grande-leaves-fans-completely-baffled-as-she-deactivates-twitter-account

https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-celebrities-least-favorite-social-platform-elon-musk-buy-1701104 Mirrored7 (talk) 09:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Month is wrong.

By citation 322 it reads, "as of November... It's still October.  A Reader here1 (talk) 16:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing that. I have corrected that error. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 October 2024

Add to Relationships: Ariana began dating Broadway actor Ethan Slater in July 2023. 2600:1009:B102:EF04:657A:FA20:FC54:A834 (talk) 02:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)