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November 25

November 25, 2021 (2021-11-25) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

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Health and environment

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Politics and elections

November 24

November 24, 2021 (2021-11-24) (Wednesday)

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International relations

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Politics and elections

Murder of Ahmaud Arbery verdict

Article: Murder of Ahmaud Arbery (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ All three men, George McMichael, Travis McMichael, and William Bryan Jr., are found guilty in the Murder of Ahmaud Arbery (Post)
News source(s): CNN, The New York Times BBC
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ending to a major court case related to racial issues in the US. Andise1 (talk) 20:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Is it really necessary to discuss such a case again? I refer to here. Yet another case with zero international impact and interest, yet another case of a purely local trial. Far from being akin to the conviction for the murder of George Floyd. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:46, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alsoriano97 If "international impact" was required for postings, very little would be posted. 331dot (talk) 20:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but it should be much more decisive when it comes to court rulings than in other cases (sports, science, elections...). If the follow-up of a trial has a very low international coverage/interest, will you tell me that it's not an important requirement to take into account when determining whether a court case is blurb-worthy or not? So many people are condemned every day in this world... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, we aren't talking about someone convicted of robbing the corner store, but a black man who was murdered basically for being in the wrong neighborhood in a part of the United States where convictions for this sort of thing are rare. And as I said, this incident has influenced changes in laws. 331dot (talk) 21:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, laws of a single U.S. state (as far as I know). If it were at the federal level I might come to support it, but not at this one. And many are the events that trigger legislative changes. And without a doubt, the article is in excellent shape. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:35, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Article is also of decent quality from what I can see. 331dot (talk) 20:57, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's already had long term significance, both legally and perhaps socially. This was not a garden variety murder. I don't understand this line of thinking more generally. If this event is not notable due to not having "long term significance", it should be proposed for deletion. 331dot (talk) 22:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all, there does exist a middle ground between ITN and AFD. This is a prime example. It's the result of a clear-cut murder case which the perps videoed themselves. A no-brainer. What would have been newsworthy would have been this ending in a non-guilty verdict and the no-doubt ensuing riots. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:34, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
They taped it because they were in their mind attempting to make a citizens arrest(which was banned after this incident) even though they had no evidence of a crime. And in Georgia and elsewhere this is, rightly or wrongly, not clear cut. Even 15 years ago these men might have got off. And there was doubt Derek Chauvin would be convicted for killing George Floyd even though that was on video. 331dot (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's nuanced and emotive but ultimately it's just another crime story. It's been whipped up with publicity and is precisely the reason that we need to apply some common sense to these kinds of nominations. It is of minimal long term significance. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If this crime had occurred in the 1960s or earlier with the same verdict, I'd support posting due to its obvious significance. But it's not 1961. It's 2021 and in this day and age racial lynchings, when they happen, typically end up with long jail sentences. The man was murdered. His killers were tried and convicted in open court. Where's the long term significance? Again, this is not 1961 where there would have been a great deal of shock at this outcome. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:35, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Then it should be proposed for deletion. I am going to now withdraw from this discussion as I am finding it frustrating that we are drifting away from our mission here. This is on me and me alone, no one else. 331dot (talk) 23:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is in good shape, well referenced, and story is currently being adequately covered by reliable sources. Meets all requirements. --Jayron32 22:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Similar to the Rittenhouse verdict - limited notability, outcome that isn't nationally or globally significant in any game-changing or important way. Prism55 (talk) 23:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This wasn't a case with the same scope as the George Floyd killing , it had no ties to terrorism and did not create any major unrest from the original event (nor the verdict), and outside of the event, none of these people are notable. This is the type of thing we absolutely should NOT be posting to ITN. --Masem (t) 23:51, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I vehemently disagree with the idea that there must be global protests and riots in order to post a highly notable criminal conviction. We are supposed to follow the news at least somewhat and we have a great article to feature. 331dot (talk) 23:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't a notable criminal conviction - all parties involved are BLP1E. It's a highly-covered story, but given the bias our sources have towards US-based stories, this is not a surprise. And no, we're not supposed to follow the news - we aren't a news ticker. That's what the Current Events page is for. --Masem (t) 23:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

English channel disaster

Article: November 2021 English Channel disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 31 people die whilst crossing the English channel (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 31 people die whilst crossing the English channel, in the channel's worst disaster in modern times
Alternative blurb II: ​ 31 people die whilst crossing the English channel in a dingy.
News source(s): https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/calais-migrant-drowning-is-worst-ever-in-english-channel-official-says/ar-AAR5RlY https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/24/20-migrants-die-boat-capsizes-channel-near-calais/
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Nominator's comments: Article needs work but clearly a serious incident which should be posted once the page is ready Llewee (talk) 18:54, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Ongoing removal: 2021 Belarus–European Union border crisis

Article: 2021 Belarus–European Union border crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The article has not has any significant updates for a week, and thus fails the ongoing criteria: In order to be posted to ongoing, the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information. If there have been significant updates in the last week, these should be added, but right now, this article fails the ongoing criteria. In particular, the last significant update is older than the day of the oldest ITN event (21 November), which is a general rule for something not being updated enough for Ongoing. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Magdalena Andersson

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Article: Magdalena Andersson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Magdalena Andersson (pictured) is elected by the Riksdag as the first female Prime Minister of Sweden. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following the resignation of Stefan Löfven, Magdalena Andersson (pictured) is elected by the Riksdag as the first female Prime Minister of Sweden.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Magdalena Andersson (pictured) is elected as the first female Prime Minister of Sweden.
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR, as it falls under "Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election". First female prime minister of Sweden. BastianMAT (talk) 09:59, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment she takes office on the 26th (according to her article). Until that point, the blurb isn't correct, as she only becomes the first female PM of Sweden on that date. Is it usual to post when it's announced, or when they take office? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Usually when they are elected but yeah with the blurb of being elected. BastianMAT (talk) 10:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. BastianMAT (talk) 10:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since Sweden's in the EU, perhaps she'll become the next Merkel. – Sca (talk) 15:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC) [reply]
Then again, maybe not. – Sca (talk) 20:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update by the nominator Things are looking bad for her and her party now. The Center Party (liberal) voted for the opposition’s budget and it got through. The Center party did not agree with the goverment’s budget, stating it was way too left. That would mean Magdallena now has to rule with right wing economic politics, which she accepted. However their junior party the Green party did not accept it and have left the goverment meaning a new Riksdag election for the prime minister post shall be held. Interesting development. SVT BastianMAT (talk) 16:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update 2 by nominator Magdallena Andersson has officially resigned. We might have to pull the news back as she won’t be assuming office. She will only assume office if she wins a new prime minister vote, which might take place in a few days/weeks, depending on how the talks with the speaker goes. SVT BastianMAT (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Double Asteroid Redirection Test (DART)

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Article: Double Asteroid Redirection Test (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ NASA launches DART – the first attempt to change the course of an asteroid (pictured) (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Double Asteroid Redirection Test spacecraft is launched on a mission to the asteroid Didymos and its moon Dimorphos (artist's impression pictured)
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Double Asteroid Redirection Test spacecraft is launched on a mission to attempt to deflect the course of the asteroid Dimorphos (artist's impression pictured)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, NYT
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: There's going to be a follow-up launching in 2024 and arriving in 2027 so it's quite a long-term plan. But it's in the news now. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Such missions usually have multiple stages and each stage has separate rocket engines. The first stage is usually more spectacular but there's no scientific reason to prefer it. For deep space missions lasting years, the efficiency of the final spacecraft will be most important and this is a new design. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:54, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Impactfulness nonapparent at this pt. in time & space. – Sca (talk) 15:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You forgot to mention Taylor Swift. – Sca (talk) 15:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca: You mean Liv Tyler :) Brandmeistertalk 20:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

November 23

November 23, 2021 (2021-11-23) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

RD: Omar Malavé

Article: Omar Malavé (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Nacional, Efecto Cocuyo
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Venezuelan professional baseball player, coach and manager. NoonIcarus (talk) 22:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bill Virdon

Article: Bill Virdon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: GA article – Muboshgu (talk) 17:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Bulgaria bus crash

Article: 2021 Bulgaria bus crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 46 people are killed in a bus crash in Bosnek, Bulgaria. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 46 people are killed on the way from Istanbul to Skopje after a bus crashes and catches fire near Bosnek, Bulgaria.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters, dpa
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Nominator's comments: Needs expansion The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not opposing it. – Sca (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would think that you've been around ITN long enough to know "please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive."--WaltCip-(talk) 20:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's also untrue - it also substantially affects North Macedonia. Jim Michael (talk) 20:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD/Blurb: Chun Doo-hwan

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Article: Chun Doo-hwan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former President of South Korea Chun Doo-hwan (pictured) dies at the age of 90. (Post)
News source(s): AP, Reuters, NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Comoelto  (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

November 22

November 22, 2021 (2021-11-22) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Politics and elections

RD: Volker Lechtenbrink

Article: Volker Lechtenbrink (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ + many others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German actor with a unique voice, used for dubbing and country rock songs, also stage director and theatre and festival manager, remembered for his role in Die Brücke (film) at age 14 (or 15). Article was there but substantially expanded and sourced. Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Babette Smith

Article: Babette Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Australian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian colonial historian, mediator and business executive. TJMSmith (talk) 18:00, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Doug Jones (baseball)

Article: Doug Jones (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 23:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hilda Múdra

Article: Hilda Múdra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News Agency of the Slovak Republic
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian-born Slovak figure skating coach. TJMSmith (talk) 18:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support it's just about longer than a stub. Everything is well sourced (AGF on non-English language sources), would be good to add a little more content if available, though I imagine that may be difficult if sources are all in Slovakian. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article lacks 3 complete well-rounded paragraphs for minimum content; one of the paragraphs is 3 sentences and another has 2. Could use a couple additional sentences in Career section for depth but close. SpencerT•C 22:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2021 Waukesha Christmas parade car rampage

Discussion is longer the article, time to close. No consensus to post. --Tone 09:32, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2021 Waukesha Christmas parade car rampage (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five people are killed and at least forty are injured in an apparent vehicle-ramming incident during a Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A Christmas parade car rampage in Waukesha, Wisconsin leaves five people dead and at least forty injured.
News source(s): CNN, AP, BBC, Guardian, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Credits:
 Thriley (talk) 03:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ha! – Sca (talk) 13:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's no need to laugh. You, Sca, among all people, are fully aware of my incompetence. --Jayron32 13:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
By executive fiat. – Sca (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well most of the support votes are from Americans (of those who have userpages), and almost all of the opposes are from non-Americans. So I guess it'll be a coin toss on whether an American or non-American admin decides... Joseph2302 (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How about one from a neutral country, say Liechtenstein? – Sca (talk) 16:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I voted to oppose as an American ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:02, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, you must be from Manchester, N.H., then. – Sca (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This at first got attention because it might have been terrorism related, no problem there. But all we are left with now is an accident which leaves 5 death: while tragic, this is sadly an everyday occurrence. We have e.g. this week a ferry accident in Sri Lanka (at least 6 death)[5], 7 death in Greece when migrants flee the police[6], 22 deaths on Lake Kivu[7], nine deaths in a fire in Bulgaria[8], 10 deaths in China after a car crash[9], ... I see no reason to post this, as it is not exceptional, has no lasting importance, and isn't even very interesting (without the terrorism angle). It's a sad tragedy, but a very common one. Fram (talk) 17:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it is WP:TOOSOON to make a determination as to whether this was an act of terror or not. Terrorism or not, the ramming appears to be deliberate, and it has made national and international headlines. Aasim (talk) 06:53, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Per Fram, tragic, but not significant enough at a global scale: we don't even have articles about many similar tragedies elsewhere. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:45, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Sad but ephemeral. Ericoides (talk) 07:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Pulled) 2021 Bulgarian general election (presidential second round)

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Article: 2021 Bulgarian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Bulgaria, Rumen Radev (pictured) is re-elected President of Bulgaria. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Rumen Radev (pictured) is re-elected President of Bulgaria.
News source(s): Reuters, Aljazzera, Politico
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Second round of the presidental election, ITNR (being part of the general elections), Radev has been declared winner with a landslide. BastianMAT (talk) 01:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, heads of state elections are posted even if they are ceremonial/wield little power, it mostly depends on the article quality itself which should be more than sufficient. Two examples are the Italian presidental election and Czech presidental election, both having similar powers to the Bulgarian one. [10] [11] BastianMAT (talk) 09:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I thought going by older posts that head of state elections are still part of ITNR but if its been removed, no problem and thanks for the headsup for future nominations. BastianMAT (talk) 12:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I just saw this now. I must have missed the change or forgot about it. So my comment on other presidents is not relevant here. --Tone 17:49, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, that’s what got me confused to when I ITNR nominated this. In the past as you and I mentioned, similar head of state elections (with similar powers) such as Moldova(November 2020), Germany, Austria, Italy, Czech Republic have been posted. 331dot said the removal of ceremonial head of state elections from ITNR were ’recently’ done, so the change must have not been too long ago for us to not know that.BastianMAT (talk) 18:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • PFHLai there wasn't consensus to do this update- the presidential election is not ITNR, and there was not consensus here that it's important enough for ITN. We should leave it where it is, so it can roll off soon, instead of moving it up so it'll stay on ITN for another week... Joseph2302 (talk) 13:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose while there are some states with significant power invested in the secondary office, this is not one of them. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't particularly mind about the unilateral action myself - it was made in good faith - and my oppose is purely on the merits of the case, for much the same reasons as you. I suggest we move on from this.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:45, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

November 21

November 21, 2021 (2021-11-21) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Health and environment

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(Posted) RD: Gurmeet Bawa

Article: Gurmeet Bawa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian folks singer. Article can do with some minor expansion, but, is almost there. Edits and basic content expansion done. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 02:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Sudan political agreement

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Article: Abdalla Hamdok (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Abdalla Hamdok (pictured) is reinstated as Prime Minister of Sudan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the aftermath of October 2021 Sudanese coup d'état, a political agreement is reached reinstating Abdalla Hamdok (pictured) as Prime Minister of Sudan.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Abdalla Hamdok (pictured) is reinstated as Prime Minister of Sudan as part of a political agreement.
News source(s): Aljazzera, Reuters NYTimes DW News AP News
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR, as it falls under "Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election". Feel free to add another blurb if there is any better way to announce the reinstation. BastianMAT (talk) 14:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's a major omission to not include it. Jim Michael (talk) 16:08, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I updated altblurb 1. Hope that works.BastianMAT (talk) 17:23, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 World Rally Championship

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Article: 2021 World Rally Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In rallying, Sébastien Ogier and Julien Ingrassia win the 2021 World Rally Championship, while Toyota secure the manufacturers' title. (Post)
News source(s): WRC.com, Autosport
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Congrats on their 8th world titles; will update asap. Unnamelessness (talk) 12:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

November 20

November 20, 2021 (2021-11-20) (Saturday)

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(Posted) RD: David Longdon

Article: David Longdon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.loudersound.com/news/big-big-train-singer-david-longdon-dead-at-56
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Multi-instrumentalist and singer of British progressive rock band Big Big Train Pretty low key name, so article is pretty short. Floydian τ ¢ 16:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

November 19

November 19, 2021 (2021-11-19) (Friday)

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(Posted) RD: Cedric Robinson (guide)

Article: Cedric Robinson (guide) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian (UK)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British guide. Found this article in good shape. RIP. Ktin (talk) 02:42, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Disappearance of Peng Shuai

No consensus to post. SpencerT•C 19:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Peng Shuai (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chinese tennis player Peng Shuai disappears after accusing a former Chinese Vice Premier of sexual assault. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Chinese tennis player Peng Shuai is reported missing after accusing former Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli of sexual assault.
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Seems to be a forced disappearance. This is a bit unusual, but has been a major news story. Disappearance section seems solid but the rest of the article on her career is less well sourced. The person has disappeared without a trace, so while it cannot be verified that this person person has died or been imprisoned, her disappearance is in itself the notable event. I wonder if this could be treated as something like the equivalent of a recent death. Blythwood (talk) 22:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Completely agree it's an awkward thing to summarise in a way that fits BLP while keeping it clear why the event is notable, I'd welcome suggestions for alternative phrasing. I realise this is a fairly limited action, but for that reason I deliberately didn't link to the person she accused in the proposed blurb. Blythwood (talk) 01:57, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per LaserLegs, there's something wrong about posting speculation that someone disappeared straight after they made accusations. With little reliable information, this seems like a BLP issue to post it. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Far too speculative, with overtones of anti-China sentiment, and with too many unknowns. Needs far more clarification before it is posted. And a guarantee that ITN will publish a full We Were Wrong! statement and retraction on the Main page when it is found out she has just eloped with her boyfriend or girlfriend, as the case may be. HiLo48 (talk) 01:55, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Clearly if China "disappeared" her, that would be a story, but this appears to be Western nations making a demand of China and there's no hard evidence she has been killed or imprisoned or the like. We don't post this type of speculative stories. --Masem (t) 02:16, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per wide coverage in RSes. Normchou 💬 03:22, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless the incident has a separate article. Sun8908 Talk 07:38, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — article looks decent enough for ITN standards by my eye, wide coverage in RSes. If the choice of "disappears" is undesirable, then "is reported missing" might be a potential alternative (posted as altblurb). [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 08:41, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that suggests she was reported missing in the police report sense, not that Novak Djokovic described her as "a missing person" to reporters. Not a bad idea. Just a bit ambiguous. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support, in the news, top page news in many countries. The issue is she has suddenly disappeared after accusing a senior cabinet minister of a serious crime, and the involved parties are public figures indept of this incident, so there is nothing wrong as long as it is sourced and not stated as truth. Peng's disappearance and the resulting sports diplomacy pressure and boycott threats are sufficient Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Have you ever studied the difference between correlation and causation? HiLo48 (talk) 21:48, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I have and I wonder if it's possible to have a maths competition over Wikipedia lol. I never said there was a causation, although I am sure many on Wikipedia have noted your hard-left POV eg trying to get all right of centre Australian newspapers struck off at RSN. Bumbubookworm (talk) 22:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Applause. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:33, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Kyle Rittenhouse verdict

3-9, consensus will not develop to post at this time. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:27, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Kenosha unrest shooting (talk · history · tag) and Shooting of Jacob Blake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After shooting three people and killing two amidst protests surrounding the Shooting of Jacob Blake, Kyle Rittenhouse is found not guilty on all charges. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Ending to a major news story/court case. Andise1 (talk) 18:46, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well my direct opinion is that it is not notable. My reasoning is the discussion that already took place on the 2021 talk page. I also have previous discussions months ago where things highly notable to one country aren’t included. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not a discussion of the page 2021. The criteria established for other parts of Wikipedia don't apply here. If you wish to change the criteria used for the ITN box, then start a discussion at WT:ITN. Votes without valid rationales are given little weight. It's fine if you have a useful rationale, but merely "I don't think it's notable enough" does not provide any useful guidance to admins when deciding consensus. I mean, you're allowed to say any silly thing you want, I suppose, but you can't expect anyone to take you seriously if it isn't valid. --Jayron32 19:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well since you don’t like my reasoning, just let me say “no”. People have supported ITN’s in the past without giving a reason, so my “Oppose” in this case will not have a reason. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, it's a free world. People do nonsensical things all of the time. --Jayron32 19:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I couldn’t agree more. In reality, my oppose on this comes more to combat American Wikipedia vs English Wikipedia. There is a essay on Wikipedia that I recently read that has that meaning. Not everything that happens in America is notable for Wikipedia/2021/ITN/Portal Current Events, etc….Elijahandskip (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose (at least on news of just the verdict). It was a highly watched case in the U.S., but it was clear early on to many legal experts that are crying foul on judicial behavior. It is very very likely to see an appeal and so this is not the end. This is not like the result from the very public George Floyd protests (which we posted and had ongoing about those, and the verdict). That said, there had been concerns there may be rioting following an acquittal , and while I'm not seeing any immediate news on that, a major riot (akin to the LA riots after King's verdict) would likely be the newsworthy factor here. --Masem (t) 19:05, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    There literally cannot be any appeal of a not guilty verdict. This is a core principle of how double jeopardy is handled in American jurisprudence. A not guilty jury verdict is basically always final. See [12]. There are some exceedingly rare exceptions to this, but none of them would apply in this case. An ordinary jury verdict of "not guilty" like this one (even in a controversial trial) is treated as basically sacrosanct, and there can be no appeals by the government. --Jayron32 19:08, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Except for the calls for a mistrial that are being entered now. I know there's complexities with double jeopardy there, but that's still on the books and that itself can be a legal process. --Masem (t) 19:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Um, what? There were calls for a mistrial by Rittenhouse's defense team prior to the jury verdict coming back. Now that the verdict is in their client's favor, I doubt highly they will press forward with these requests. Indeed, articles such as this one note "The verdict also meant that Judge Bruce Schroeder did not have to rule on the defense's motions for a mistrial." --Jayron32 19:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as above. If we had to have an American court psychodrama today, the better option from a world-historical perspective would probably be the acquittal of the purported killers of Malcolm X. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose AGF, but this is such a small story in the grand scheme. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. It is too early to tell what impact this will have. It could be a Rodney King-like result where acquittal of the accused leads to broad social unrest, or it could pass with a shrug. I expect that we will know within 24 hours. BD2412 T 19:30, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and close US-centric nomination, not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and renominate once the riots get into full swing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:49, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Far from blurb-worthy, lack of deep international coverage and interest. U.S-centric. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Very US centric. It's probably not even the most important news in the US right now, let alone the world. I agree with Piron above that the clearing of Malcom X's killers is more noteworthy in the grand scheme. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:32, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is the most important US news event ongoing right now. Every major US news outlet is covering the story and many have been broadcasting portions of the trial for the past several days.XavierGreen (talk) 20:48, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Edgardo Labella

Article: Edgardo Labella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cebu Daily News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Mayor of Cebu City. Article looks decent but could warrant some improvements ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 15:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest

Article: 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India announces the repeal of 3 farm laws which led to mass protests. (Post)
News source(s): AP, WSJ
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This article was previously in ongoing, now has a noteworthy update which should bring it towards conclusion. - Indefensible (talk) 06:50, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • to international notability. It won’t be listed on 2021 per previous discussions of it not having international notability.
  • India-centric nomination, not important enough for ITN
  • and renominate once the riots get into full swing.
  • per above. Far from blurb-worthy, lack of deep international coverage and interest. India-centric
  • Very India centric. It's probably not even the most important news in India right now, let alone the world.
  • Actually not even sure this is going to be more than a couple days' news in India
"Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." 331dot (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's important to remember that 1/7 of the people on this planet are Indians. We don’t post a great deal of India related stories. 331dot (talk) 23:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Interestingly I didn't see the same PDM feedback from you above for another "country-centric" nomination from the worlds third most populous country. In fact, we do post many India-centric stories here, this one having festered in ongoing for nearly a year. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Invariably it is announcements that get more attention than the actual act, most of the time(we post elections when the result is known, not when the results are official/certified). If Modi renegs, that will likely be newsworthy itself. 331dot (talk) 23:16, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - as Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI says, the BKU is still protesting. I would prefer waiting till the laws are actually repealed (and FWIW, these laws are being repealed just before the 2022 Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly elections and elections in some other states, which are crucial for Modi's political party). Tube·of·Light 02:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – On article quality – and as others have noted because the laws haven't taken effect. The article, at more than 10,000 words, is grossly overwritten, overblown and overweight – presumably by partisans who view the topic as a cause célèbre that calls for a crusade. – Sca (talk) 13:20, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) November 2021 lunar eclipse

Consensus will not develop to post this. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 21:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: November 2021 lunar eclipse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The longest partial lunar eclipse in 580 years occurs. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NBC News, NYT
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: We don't usually post lunar eclipses but this one has gotten more RS coverage. Davey2116 (talk) 04:32, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – I didn't see it. – Sca (talk) 13:06, 19 November 2021 (UTC) ...  ;-)[reply]
Yeah. We always seem to post eclipses well after they conclude, with the snarky undertone of "and, ha ha ha, you missed it!". —Cryptic 13:12, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Why THIS MUCH INDENT? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:53, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're forgetting that lunar eclipses often presage globally cataclysmic events, such as permanent cancellation of The Boat Race, which I fear may now be in the offing for 2022. – Sca (talk) 13:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, lunar eclipses and the Boat Race are entirely unrelated. And of course, there will be no "permanent cancellation of The Boat Race", that's total bollocks, but perhaps inline with your regular contributions. As you perhaps should know already, The Boat Race 2022 is scheduled for next year, and if COVID stymies it, one imagines it will simply be moved to the River Great Ouse once again. I'm unclear as to where you think that a lunar eclipse would be a portent for the permanent cancellation of an event which has been conducted since 1829, even before the Third Reich failed to play nicely. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:56, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ease up, Ramblo, it was a joke. (And BTW, the Third Reich and this topic are entirely unrelated.) – Sca (talk) 18:26, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and this topic and the Boat Race are completely unrelated. And it wasn't funny in any sense. So explain yourself. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:45, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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November 18

November 18, 2021 (2021-11-18) (Thursday)

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(Posted) RD: Peter Buck (restaurateur)

Article: Peter Buck (restaurateur) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Independent
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American nuclear physicist and co-founder of the Subway fast-food restaurant chain. --PFHLai (talk) 02:25, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jimmie Durham

Article: Jimmie Durham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American sculptor, essayist and poet. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 17:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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