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Atlanta Braves nomination

I nominated Atlanta Braves back in February and an editor picked it up for review today. Forgive me if this is the wrong venue, but the editor reviewing appears to be inexperienced in this area and could use some help. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 18:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I sadly do not have time to review an article of such length but that looks like a drive by review to me. Someone should re-review the article again, considering that the reviewer already promoted it to GA. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone remove the botched review? I realize it's a large article and it's already been waiting several months. This attempt it just a waste of time and it's clear the person who is attempting to review the article lacks the experience to do it correctly. Nemov (talk) 03:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW this article is now a good article. I'm not sure there was much of a review. I gotta admit this has been a discouraging experience. I paid for a newspaper archive membership to add a lot of citations. Then I nominated the article in February. After a long wait it doesn't seem like this process was worth it. Nemov (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- There was no review. I will request G6 deletion of Paytonisboss's mucking around and put the article back into the queue. Sorry about this disruption. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Extraordinary Writ:, this should be a standard increment to /GA2. I've not seen a /GA0 before, I'm not sure what interactions that might have with tools and scripts. CMD (talk) 01:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  This was the end result here, but you're probably right—I'll move it back. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Oh, I didn't know about that. That feels almost like deletion through obscurity, it'll never be linked. CMD (talk) 10:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Pentagonal pyramid/GA1

Is WP:ORES considered part of WP:GACR? I mean, the WP:GACR states the six criteria involving the prose, sources, images, section arrangement, neutrality, and stability. But ORES is nothing but a tool to provide the descriptions of measuring how high the article's quality is. While WP:GACR does not says explicitly about the tool, can someone enlighten me in this case? Dedhert.Jr (talk) 01:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ORES is not related to the GACR. They are evaluated by the reviewer. It can be helpful in rating articles but when you get into peer review processes like GA and FA it isn't relevant. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... Do reviewers consider ORES as an optional tool? Dedhert.Jr (talk) 02:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, because it is completely optional and, as Sawyer said below, has nothing to do with evaluating the article based on the GACR. I'd go so far as to say an evaluation with ORES shouldn't be part of a GA review for that reason, although that's my personal opinion and there's nothing forbidding it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dedhert.Jr Yeah, ORES also seems to evaluate articles based on length. For example, Si Ronda and How Brown Saw the Baseball Game are both short Featured Articles. They seem fine, but ORES gives them both a C rating.[1][2] This kind of makes sense if it's just looking for patterns (C-rated articles are often short and FA-rated often long) but length is not in either criteria, and it's probably not a desired metric. Idk if there are other issues, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This simply means that ORES does not observe the quality of the article as in the comprehensiveness and broadness coverage, but instead counts how many bytes, words, sentences, paragraphs, and other super long texts might not expected like other FAs or GAs. Anecdotally, I assume a quote of "do not use ORES while reviewing". Lesson learned. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 04:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ORES has nothing to do with the GACR and it is absolutely not "the bigger problem" (compared to sourcing issues) as @Randomstaplers says. i have an ORES script installed, but i put about as much faith into it as i put in my roommates' dish-washing abilities. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 02:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's fair. I've noticed after using this tool it tends to be biased articles that rely on print sources, but TBH, it's not helping my hesitancy.⸺(Random)staplers 02:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This obsession with ORES has got to stop. The only thing it knows is what articles look similar. Everything else is guesswork. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but why do anything yourself when you can feed it to an algorithm and hope for the best? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nomination of a article

So I want to nomination princess Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha I recently just made bunch of improvements of sourcing addition to references I want to edit this page so some can review and I can get it nomination and pass and make it good article so I need permission to edit this page so I can get put nomination for Princess Alexandra of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha Qubacubazamniauser (talk) 03:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Qubacubazamniauser, follow the instructions at WP:GAN/I and a reviewer can pick this up when they are ready :) Before you do, there are quite a few broken references which you should fix; you can see these by installing User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 04:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok gotta fix new error just popped up Qubacubazamniauser (talk) 06:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I just fixed error now there is new one saying lead to short not onrgirzed wil the reviewer fix it or should I ? Qubacubazamniauser (talk) 00:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, you should resolve any cleanup banners (like this one) before nominating an article. Nub098765 (talk) 02:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KKKKKKK i will try Qubacubazamniauser (talk) 03:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article review circles

Hello, I thought I should give an update on good article review circles which has so far fostered approximately 48 good article reviews.

I feel the project has moved past any teething issues and is now working quite well, however in recent months the number of nominations being submitted to the project has plummeted.

If you have an article you needs to be reviewed and are also willing to review someone else's article, please consider participating so we can get more circles running more often. GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. If editors' aren't fussy and are willing to do a review, they can always put in someone elses' nom if they don't have one.

Just means that the items in the circle don't get removed for being under review, which means they were reviewed without getting an extra review (your review is then worth two for the backlog). Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 21:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could you explain the bit after "which means that" please? Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:47, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chiswick Chap Sure, sorry it reads confusingly. GARC's purpose is to get more reviews to take place. This works by participants agreeing to review an article in exchange for theirs being reviewed. However, if someone outside the pool starts reviewing something in the pool, the nominator of that article no longer is obligated to do a review. So we've lost an extra review. Pools taking longer to fill up makes this more likely to happen. However, if you put an article in the pool it fills up faster and it makes it less likely we lose an extra review. In the case where you prevent one from dropping out, the review you committed to has now ensured a second review will take place. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 12:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for explaining. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it okay if I nominate an article for GA that I had previously nominated for deletion?

For context, while participating in the 2024 November Unreferenced Articles Drive, I nominated the article for Quiver (video game) for deletion on November 2. After additional reviews were found that led to a clear consensus for keeping the article, I withdrew and closed the nomination on November 7. However, while the nomination was still ongoing, I used the reviews found to expand the article, essentially to get a good sense of what an article for the game would like given the sources.

Since the article was kept and I expanded the article significantly as best as I could, I am actually considering nominating it for GA. Is that okay, or would it be misguided? Lazman321 (talk) 19:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perfectly fine. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, nominated Lazman321 (talk) 23:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know of one case where someone nominated an article for deletion and eventually got it promoted to featured article. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Onto the WP:Deletion to quality list it goes! TompaDompa (talk) 00:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]