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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

• Why "Kingdom of Bicycles" and not "自行车王国", but "məθkʷəy̓" and not "Muthkwey"? Americanist phonetic notation is not written in English or the Latin alphabet, although some parts resemble it, and is unintelligible for probably more people here than Mandarin (or Cantonese or whichever is used). We don't use "Цэцэйхэн" for Checheyigen either, even though that one as well has some recognisable characters. Fram (talk) 11:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  If this were about the title of the article, I would fully agree with you. However, given that this is a hook in DYK, and furthermore is the "quirky" hook as well, I'd be inclined not to say this is a hill to die on. Put it this way - there have been significantly more egregious liberties taken in the quirky slot over the years, that I'd be consider more worth fighting than this one...  — Amakuru (talk) 15:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  That's the attitude that just makes these issues go on and on and on though... There is nothing "quirky" about a hook being unreadable for most readers, and there seems to be no reason why this is done in this case and not in others (and it is a good thing it isn't done in other cases). Fram (talk) 16:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  More generally, the article itself does not meet accessibility standards (MOS:OTHERLANG) and MOS:FORITA. Making the hook and article accessible for all readers, instead of most, seems a rather good hill to die on to me. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

  Speaking of italics, {{lang}} doesn't automatically italicize Halkomelem-language text; AFAICT this is because it considers it to be written in a non-Latin script. If that's correct, then we need to transliterate it per MOS:NOTLATIN. Otherwise, it should be manually italicized. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I've unpiped it.--Launchballer 23:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I think it should be wrapped in {{transliteration|hur}} now (displaying as muthkwey), per WP:DYKMOS § C10. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

In which case the article itself also needs to be updated to match, and the above accessibility concerns addressed. If this needs more time, we can replace this and run it later.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I think that would be a good idea. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done  — Amakuru (talk) 23:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Amakuru @AirshipJungleman29 I'm confused about the status here. Your comments above make it sound like the hook was pulled, but it's in the currently live version of {{Did you know}} RoySmith (talk) 00:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

You sure about that? I see "Buy Cash" as the final hook in the set.--Launchballer 00:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

... that China was once the "Kingdom of Bicycles"? in slot 5 RoySmith (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer maybe I'm just confused about which hook we're talking about. This thread started out with Why "Kingdom of Bicycles" and not "自行车王国". So are we not talking about the Kingdo of Bicycles hook? RoySmith (talk) 01:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@Fram:'s starting sentence is "Why "Kingdom of Bicycles" and not "自行车王国", but "məθkʷəy̓" and not "Muthkwey"?" and they then talk about the American phonetic alphabet, which "自行车王国" isn't written in.--Launchballer 01:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Next DYK

• "... that a book known as the "Polish Pinocchio" was published a hundred years ago?" How does this meet the "interesting" requirement? Every book is published at some time and will at some time be 100 years old. Fram (talk) 11:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
  • I suppose some might find the "some times" being this year and 1924 interesting? I don't really. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  Also the article says "is sometimes known as", we have turned that into "known as". Secretlondon (talk) 15:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• "... that Twitter's rules were changed when StoneToss sought help from Elon Musk after an anti-fascist group published materials claiming to have revealed their identity?" It was called X at the time this happened, not Twitter. Fram (talk) 11:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

   Fixed. The article was full of Twitter referring to 2024 too. Secretlondon (talk) 15:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  Someone has reverted the article claiming that Wikipedia always calls it twitter, even when referring to 2024. Secretlondon (talk) 15:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've reinstated your edits, it makes no sense for the article to be using the term Twitter for recent usage when the sourcing doesn't support that, particularly in relation to things that Musk is doing. I don't know what we do if editors insist on reverting again, I'm not going to get into a full-scale edit war but I do think Fram's point is a valid one.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  And I see that Amakuru's edit has been reverted. I'm inclined to say we should pull this as failing WP:DYKCOMPLETE The article should not be subject to unresolved edit-warring. RoySmith (talk) 00:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

There probably shouldn't be two American hooks next to each other, so I'd swap it anyway.--Launchballer 00:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "On this day"

Today's OTD

Sherman's March to the Sea is POTD, so it should probably be swapped out on OTD (technically it's not the bold article on OTD, but it's still repetitive).:Jay8g [V•T•E] 03:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done. I've swapped it out.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(November 15, today)

• There are three redirects in the blurb

CJ E&M - pipe to CJ ENM Entertainment Division JennyOz (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Mnet Asian Music Awards - pipe to MAMA Awards JennyOz (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Big Bang (band) - pipe to BigBang (South Korean band) (nb no space in band name) JennyOz (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• "music video-centered" - pls swap hyphen to suffix dash JennyOz (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

•  Fixed all of them. Schwede66 07:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

  thanks 38.43.30.101 (talk) 23:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Monday's FL

(November 18)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

Notice to administrators: When fixing POTD errors, please update the corresponding regular version (i.e. without "protected" in the page title) in addition to the Main Page version linked below.

General discussion

Idea for a addition to the main page

I think they should add a quotes section that would focus on notable quotes by famous, or not so famous people - one each day. Scaledish! Talkish? Statish. 13:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Did you know… section

I noticed that most of the facts in today's Did you know… section seem to rely on intentionally misleading names in order to be surprising, which I think is a bad idea. This is a significant deviation from Did you know… sections of past days. Was this an agreed-upon change?

And I realized that it's already April Fools Day in most of the world just before I was about to submit this. Never mind about what's above. Congratulations on fooling me. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 00:50, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:30, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Was a little disappointed that the whole main page wasn't all tongue in cheek like preceding years.  :( -dashiellx (talk) 12:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I think it's misleading, despite the holiday, and damages trust in what people see here. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 14:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 1 April 2020

Main Page → Main page – In general, Wikipedia pages (even the ones in the Wikipedia: namespace) should be in the sentence case. I'm not sure if the Main page should be exempt from this rule, but I think it should follow it. Even the left pane has it sentence case. Interstellarity (talk) 11:52, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, as this would lower-case the words 'main page' when used in the middle of a sentence, as in the opening banner above. So even your nom is incorrect as you've capitalized 'Main'. This title is used "mainly" on pages such as this, and not in article text, so leaving it as is does not violate site guidelines. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:17, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

  @Randy Kryn: You probably know this already, but Wikipedia automatically capitalizes the first letter of every page and this page is no exception so it would be technically impossible to title it main page. It would either have to be Main Page or Main page. Interstellarity (talk) 13:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

• I meant in mid-sentence, where sentence case takes over in titled links. So in your nom the sentence would read "...if the main page should" and not as you've instinctively cased it. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:53, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

• I assumed this was an April Fool  :) but oppose, per Randy Kryn; Main Page, in its internal-WP usage is effectively a proper noun (i.e., it is used as a proper noun, not that it actually is). ——SN54129 13:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
• Move to Portal:Main (maybe Portal:Welcome) - as the original "portal" and inspiration for that namespace. -- Netoholic @ 13:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose (assuming it's not an April Fool ). The main page isn't a typical article, and doesn't have to conform to the same rules and naming conventions as anything else. Changing the name would cause technical work and headaches, for no real benefit.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

  @Amakuru: Most moves require some work, and some require a lot of work, so argument from inertia is rarely a valid response. What we gain is WP:CONSISTENT application of namespace scope and article titling guidelines. This benefits repackagers of Wikipedia content who don't need to manually strip out this page. If we follow my recommendation of moving it to Portal: space, could revitalize usage of that namespace by showing a strong, working example. I hope other benefits can be identified in this process, and that we recognize that the sooner we shrug the remnants of old Wikipedia software limitations, the easier it will be overall. -- Netoholic @ 14:05, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

  No, the point stands. Changing the most viewed page on the entire project is a waste of time and effort, and crucially it has no benefit, only downsides. This is not an article, and in particular it is not a discussion of main pages in general, it is a specific landing page. Others may have different views, but mine is firmly that this should be rejected.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:14, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

• Note: This nomination is a serious nom and has nothing to do with April Fool's. Interstellarity (talk) 13:41, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. I too assumed this was an April Fools joke, but as it's not... This is the Main Page, not an article about a specific main page or home pages in general. It's a proper noun. If anything, we should adjust the sidebar to match, not move the page. The idea of moving the page to Portal: namespace has been discussed and rejected on numerous occasions, see this FAQ. Modest Genius ^talk 14:25, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Not a very good April Fools joke. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:44, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
• I don't think this was a joke, and I think it was made in good faith, but (a) I won't go digging thru the archives but I have a vague memory of this being a perennial proposal, which died off maybe 10(?) years ago (b) the benefit/cost ratio on this change is very, very, very close to zero. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:53, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose There's no particular reason to make the move as there's no particular reason general rules should apply to unique cases like the main page, beyond that the proposal didn't even suggest any advantages the move might have. Moving, even with a redirect, such a long-standing and heavily linked-to page should only be considered if there are strong advantages to the move. ApLundell (talk) 16:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose this is a specific main page, not a main page in general, namely Wikipedia's main page. See Extremely large telescope (a type of telescope) and Extremely Large Telescope (an individual telescope with that name). Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:BROKE. --Jayron32 17:53, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Request to remove profanity from the "Did you know section"

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The April Fools jokes were pretty clever in this section, but it is a little bit unsettling seeing "fuck off" in the main page of the site. Seeing how the main page is usually a safe for work site, is it possible to remove this fact or at least be able to censor the vulgarity itself? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RandomGuy666 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

See WP:NOTCENSORED. Thank you. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:06, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Thank you for referring me to this section, it was a great resource for examining Wikipedia's policy on censorship and I will retract my statement about censoring the vulgarity itself. However, after reading the policy itself as well as WP:PROFANE I believe that having this statement on the main page violates the principle of least astonishment. If readers were to examine the 17 Million Fuck Offs page itself, the censorship policy would not apply as it is assumed they would have a general expectation to see profanity in the article itself. However, Wikipedia's main page itself rarely (albeit almost never) contains profanity so it cannot be anticipated for a user to have this expectation when viewing the main page. It is not necessary to include "fuck off," in the "did you know" because there are other facts that can be used to achieve comedic value. I apologize for the earlier formatting issues and I look forward to hearing back. --RandomGuy666 (talk) 15:44, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

The thing is that that is the title of the song. There is no other way not to have it as PROFANE even says: "a vulgarity or obscenity should either appear in its full form or not at all" and you cannot avoid it if it is the name of the song. I'm guessing you missed the day when "Fuck" was once The Featured Article? Indeed we have run several articles with rude names on DYK before like Fucking Hell, Shit Brook, Wan King Path, Shitterton and John le Fucker to name but a few. This is no different The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:55, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Removing a common word like "fuck", even when it appears in the title of a work, would set a very low bar for "profanity". ApLundell (talk) 16:19, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Chiming on to add that I also recall seeing an image with nudity on the main page a while back. While WP:NOTCENSORED has a lot of good rationale behind it, IAR it doesn't seem like a great idea to do that — the idea that children should be shielded from nudity, as profanity, is widespread across the English-speaking world, and that sort of action has the potential to scare off readers, especially when there are non-offensive alternatives. That said, I'm sure it was discussed somewhere and that smarter minds prevailed. Sdkb (talk) 19:40, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

I believe that WP:CENSORMAIN makes points that fall in line similar to this. While it is just an essay and not written policy, it details points similar to this that there are better alternatives you can use without having to offend people. --RandomGuy666 (talk) 20:40, 1 April 2020 (UTC)