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=== [[:Category:One]] ==
===[[:Category:Two]]===
===[[:Category:Three]]===
===[[:Category:Four]]===
===[[:Category:Five]]===
These are proper topics as such, but where does it stop? [[:Category:Fourty-two]]? [[:Category:Googol]]? {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 19:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

* See also [[#Category:Three]] above. It has been closed as kept on 8 August 2012 for no consensus. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 19:39, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
*Category: One, and Five - '''delete'''. [[User:Maro|Maro]] 19:54, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
::But not Two, Three and Four? [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 20:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Yes, only these two. [[User:Maro|Maro]] 20:11, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
:::: Is there something special about the numbers 2, 3 and 4 that you are not telling us...? {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 20:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Category Five has only one page in it and One has two entries. Category:en:Three has 83 entries so someone can find it useful. You've made separate sections for each category here so I suppose we do not consider them collectively but separately. [[User:Maro|Maro]] 22:28, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::: Well, it doesn't really it make sense to me if we think a category for 'Three' is a good thing to have but a category for 'One' is not. What is important about 3 that it is more deserving of a category of its own than 1 is? {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 02:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::::We do have the option to add things to categories. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 08:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' I doubt that these are of use to anyone other than their creator. Criteria for existence of and membership in topical category tree are simply the whims of creators, patrollers, and voters. The membership in classes like this ends up being quite Borgesian. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small >  13:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
*'''delete''' and please stay with prefix/suffix categories instead of creating such pseudo-etymology categories. -- [[User:Liliana-60|Liliana]] [[User talk:Liliana-60|•]] 16:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
* I have decided to vote '''keep''', as I am unconvinced by the stated arguments for deletion, and as Roget's 1911 thesaurus has entries per several small positive integers: "87. Unity", "89. Duality", "92. Triality", "95. Four", and "98. Five". See for instance {{R:Roget 1911|triality}} The categories are not really etymological; they contain words whose meaning contains the particular small number in some way. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 18:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
** If we do decide to keep this, then we would have to agree where to stop, though. I doubt [[:Category:Forty-two]] is something we would want to keep. {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 18:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
*** We should stop when the category can no longer contain an interesting number of member entries. Have you had a look at Roget 1911? --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 19:47, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
****Yes, ''thesaurus''. I'd support a [[Wikisaurus:one]], [[Wikisaurus:two]] etc. without second thought, but surely not this. -- [[User:Liliana-60|Liliana]] [[User talk:Liliana-60|•]] 19:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
***** Why do you support thesaurus but not a topical category? Which argument of yours applies to a category but not to thesaurus? What is the negative consequence of having these topical categories? --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 19:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
******Categories appear at the bottom of every page. If we have topical categories for everything people can come up with, it will be an utter mess. -- [[User:Liliana-60|Liliana]] [[User talk:Liliana-60|•]] 19:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
******* Links to the thesaurus will eventually appear in every member entry of each thesaurus page. So again, how are categories different from thesaurus pages? Furthermore, which of the member entries of the categories proposed for deletion are overcrowded with topical categories? Certainly not [[trimetallic]]. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 20:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
********And not to forget, you cannot sort category members by [[hypernyms]], [[hyponyms]], [[holonyms]], [[meronyms]], [[synonyms]], [[antonyms]] etc. like you can with a Wikisaurus page. -- [[User:Liliana-60|Liliana]] [[User talk:Liliana-60|•]] 20:07, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
********* I am the last one in English Wiktionary to fail to appreciate the charms of Wikisaurus over topical categories. But with "triality", "three" or "threeness", the semantic relations that you have mentioned do not find any use. I still do not see why you oppose topical categories while having no objections to thesaurus entries. I also do not see you respond the points I have raised, or admit an error. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 20:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
: '''Delete''' the categories; make and link from entries to an appendix, if desired. [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 18:59, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
*:#I don't get the relevance of there being a thesaurus entry in Roget for having a category in Wiktionary. For having a Wikisaurus entry, yes.
*:#Appendices are great places for laying out thematic relationships with much more detail and richness than a simple listing.
*:'''Delete''' each and every one. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small >  19:13, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
*:: You have already voted delete, DCDuring. Topical categories classify words by semantics, just like a thesaurus does. (A true thesaurus like the Roget's one, not a dictionary of synonyms.) --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 19:47, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
For the record, the English variants of the categories now have the following numbers of member entries:
* [[:Category:en:One]]: 33
* [[:Category:en:Two]]: 47
* [[:Category:en:Three]]: 92
* [[:Category:en:Four]]: 52
* [[:Category:en:Five]]: 66
The great job of filling the categories seems to have been done by {{user|Robin Lionheart}}; kudos. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 19:51, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
: And six has 29, seven has 21, eight has 32, nine 18, ten 25, eleven 20, twelve 18, thirteen 13. There are no categories for fourteen and above yet. {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 19:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:: Good. Now what is wrong with these categories? Why do you want them deleted? What is it that you do not like about them? --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 19:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
::: As topical categories by themselves I am not sure if there is anything really wrong with them, although I do think there should be less and broader topics rather than more and specific ones. The issue I have with these categories in particular is the precedent they set towards having categories for more and more integers without end. Judging them based on how many entries they (can) contain does not work, because more can always be added. {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 20:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:::: Only attested entries can be added. I doubt that you can find a meaningful number of memeber entries for [[:Category:en:Thirty-five]]. I challenge you to find ten candidate entries in Wiktionary for that category. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|talk]]) 20:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
:::::Explicitly '''abstain'''. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 20:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
: Now that some people have been working to create new categories and fill them all, I am leaning towards '''keep''' myself. But I do hope we keep the highest at 20 for now. {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 01:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
'''Strong keep''' now that they have a lot of entries. --[[User:Metaknowledge|Μετάknowledge]]<small><sup>''[[User talk:Metaknowledge|discuss]]/[[Special:Contributions/Metaknowledge|deeds]]''</sup></small> 00:01, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
:'''Keep''' em, they're well populated now. ~ [[User:Robin Lionheart|Röbin Liönheart]] ([[User talk:Robin Lionheart|talk]]) 15:49, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

'''Kept''' as now well populated.--[[User:ElisaVan|ElisaVan]] ([[User talk:ElisaVan|talk]]) 13:22, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
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