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Again, welcome!   —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 19:26, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

== [[圕#Japanese]] ==

Hi, Du Dingyou did indeed invent this glyph, apparently in 1924.  But unless I'm missing something from his biography, he did this while living in Shanghai and working in the Chinese language.  I see nothing about him visiting Japan, let alone speaking Japanese.  See also [[:w:zh:杜定友]], and [[:w:Orthographic_ligature#Chinese_ligatures]].  Cheers, ‑‑&nbsp;[[User:Eirikr|Eiríkr&nbsp;Útlendi]]&nbsp;│<sup>''[[User talk:Eirikr|Tala&nbsp;við&nbsp;mig]]''</sup> 19:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

== {{temp|CJKV}} for single-character entries ==

Hi, please only add this template if the "descendant" is actually used independently (rather than only as a morpheme). —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 01:56, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
: {{ping|Justinrleung}}: OK_(:з」∠)_ --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 09:24, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

== Japanese names in Chinese ==

I've seen you adding these very often. Are you sure these are [[WT:CFI|attestable]] in Chinese specifically? —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 20:23, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
: {{ping|Justinrleung}}: Sorry…I'm not sure… --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 12:37, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Then I'd suggest you not add any more of these unless you're sure. I'll probably have to rfv these names then. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 04:28, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Justinrleung}} OK. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 05:58, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

== Sranan Tongo words derived from English ==

Sranan Tongo terms are not considered inherited from English, see [[Wiktionary:About Sranan Tongo]]. <s>←₰-→</s> [[User:Lingo Bingo Dingo|<small>Lingo</small> <sup>Bingo</sup> <sub>Dingo</sub>]] ([[User talk:Lingo Bingo Dingo|talk]])  15:56, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

== 竹竿 in Chengdu dialect ==

成都方言詞典 gives 竹(子)竿(竿) for 竹竿. I'm not sure if 竹竿, 竹子竿, 竹竿竿 and 竹子竿竿 are all correct ways to refer to a bamboo pole in the Chengdu dialect (the last two have some hits on Google so I guess they are correct). If you are familiar with the Chengdu dialect, could you please advise me whether all four forms are said in the Chengdu dialect? Thanks a lot! [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 03:15, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
: {{reply|RcAlex36}} Sorry, I can't speak Chengdu dialect. I just copy information form 四川方言词典;) --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 07:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

== [[神經多樣性]] ==

Please be careful with your pinyin. [[User:Tooironic|---&#62; Tooironic]] ([[User talk:Tooironic|talk]]) 07:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

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== Yuanling ==

Hi, I haven't read the book, but where is data for Yuanling from? [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 14:52, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
: Ok I see where it's from. Thanks for adding the three 方言點! [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 14:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
==Deidonata==
你好。 谢谢你的编辑。 真好看！
: {{reply|Deidonata}} 不用谢！BTW，留言时请{{w|zh:WP:签名|签名}}。--'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 14:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

== Guanyang and Lipu ==

Hi, what source are you using for these? [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 11:02, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|RcAlex36}} [http://lib.gxdfz.org.cn/view-c80-325.html 灌阳县志] and [http://lib.gxdfz.org.cn/view-c65-472.html 荔浦县志]. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 13:33, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

== Mae Salong ==

Hi, I do think we should be splitting into different varieties, but I think the only variety that has the most data is the Lancang dialect, the most common Yunnanese dialect spoken in Mae Salong, recorded in 泰国的西南官话, which also records other varieties of Yunnanese in Thailand. I'm not sure what the dialect 泰北美斯乐汉语云南方言调查研究 is recording in its section on vocabulary. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 13:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|Justinrleung}} Possibly Lancang? Only few words recorded in the section 美斯乐云南方言词汇研究 are marked with 美斯乐腾冲 or 美斯乐果敢. Most words are unmarked. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 13:48, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
:: Okay, I think we could specify it as Lancang then and not include words specific to 腾冲 or 果敢. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 16:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

== Revert ==

Sorry to do that to you, but the change from C to C-T caused 588 module errors, so I reverted it. Now that I've cleared all of those, I'll bow out and let the Chinese community decide what to do next. My sole objection was to the way it was done, not whether it should be done- I don't know enough to have an opinion on the content. [[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] ([[User talk:Chuck Entz|talk]]) 10:23, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|Chuck Entz}} It doesn't matter.--'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 10:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

== Muli ==

Hi, I'm just wondering why you put Muli after Chongqing. Shouldn't we put Sichuanese (as in from Sichuan proper) varieties together? —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 05:39, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|Justinrleung}} I agree. I will edit relevant pages to put Muli after Xindu and before Chongqing. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 05:57, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
:: Okay, thanks! —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 05:58, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

== Revert to [[Module:zh-Christian-syn]] ==

I reverted your changes. When you add a new branch, you also have to add the appropriate entries to modules like [[Module:zh/data/Christian-syn/Corinth]], or you get module errors. [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 06:08, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|Benwing2}} It shouldn't be a problem now. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 07:49, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
: Just a curious question: what is the Church of the East? --[[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|talk]]) 07:44, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
:: {{re|Apisite}} in this module, it's {{zh-l|*景教|the {{w|Church of the East in China}}}}. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 13:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

== [[安心立命]] ==

Do you have a source for the Chinese definition you supplied? It differs from the one in the ''Hanyu Cidian'': 使身心安定，精神上有所寄托. [[User:Tooironic|---&#62; Tooironic]] ([[User talk:Tooironic|talk]]) 04:27, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|Tooironic}} I copied it from [[安心立命#Japanese]]… --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 12:38, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
:: Do you have a good reason for that? Chinese and Japanese have many [[false friend]]s. 22:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
::: {{re|Tooironic}} No, I don't … so I replaced that Chinese definition with {{tl|rfdef}}. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 04:32, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

== Templates translation ==

Hi!

A few months ago you supported a proposal I wrote at [[:mw:Global templates/Discuss]]. Thank you very much for that!

An essential part of that big project is now a community wish: [[:m:Community Wishlist Survey 2021/Translation/Templates translation]].

It would be very nice if you could vote for it by clicking "Support", and then "Support" again. After you vote, invite your friends to do the same :)

Thanks! --[[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|Amire80}} I voted "support" ;) --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 13:30, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you :) --[[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

== [[:Module:zh/data/dial-syn/彗星]] ==

All of the 13 entries that transclude this have module errors. I could simply remove "Lingui-P-DB" from the module, but it's probably just a matter of adding the missing data to the other module or fixing a typo, or both. [[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] ([[User talk:Chuck Entz|talk]]) 01:30, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|Chuck Entz}} Oh, that's a typo:( I [[Special:diff/61347829|fixed]] it. Thank you for pointing out this mistake. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 01:44, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

== 九姓漁民方言 ==

Also {{ping|Justinrleung}} Hi, there does not seem to be much data on 方言點 other than 蘭溪 in 九姓漁民方言研究. Perhaps we should be doing only 蘭溪? [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 16:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|RcAlex36|Justinrleung}} The book [http://book.ucdrs.superlib.net/views/specific/2929/bookDetail.jsp?dxNumber=000017351894&d=17AEE2D232A9E1F805DCA206A0E5404C&fenlei=08021303 钱塘江流域九姓渔民方言] contains data of 建德, 金華 and 屯溪. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 02:27, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
:: {{re|沈澄心}} I see. Thanks for telling me. [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 04:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

== Kulai ==

Hi, I'm not sure if we should be including Kulai (Huizhou). It would overlap (partially) with Senai from 马来西亚的三个汉语方言 since one of the informants for the Kulai paper is from Senai. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 09:43, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
: {{re|Justinrleung}} Maybe Kulai-HZ should be removed. I found that I confused {{w|Kulai}} town with {{w|Kulai District}} (which 古來 in that paper actually means). --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 10:00, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
:: {{ping|RcAlex36}} has suggested to me that one option is to have Senai renamed (in display) as Kulai so that we can use both sources. It could work, though it is kind of going "backwards". What do you think? —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 10:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
::: {{re|Justinrleung}} I don't think that's a good idea. BTW, is Senai Hakka recorded in 马来西亚的三个汉语方言 Huizhou (Huiyang) Hakka? I have no access to that book. --13:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
:::: Yes it is. [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 14:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
:::: BTW, we should avoid calling the dialects from Huiyang "Huizhou Hakka" (though many people, including the speakers themselves, do call it that) because it could be confused for Huizhou Bendihua. We should call it Huiyang Hakka. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 17:45, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

== Helping out with RFV ==

Hi, I'm wondering if you could help out with clearing up the Chinese requests at [[WT:RFVN]]. There's just a lot to go through, and it's hard to go through them alone. Whether you find evidence for something or fail to find anything, it would be greatly appreciated if you could just leave some comments as to the progress so that we can get things moving. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 23:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
: {{re|Justinrleung}} OK. I'll try to do some work about it. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 05:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
:: Great, thanks a lot! —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 06:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

== Translation of all kinds of borrowing ==

Hello. 在zhwikt，借词术语的翻译未定，我不清楚学术界是如何翻译的，您是否能提供建议？[[:zh:Wiktionary:啤酒馆#借词术语的翻译问题]]。谢谢。 [[User:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|EdwardAlexanderCrowley]] ([[User talk:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|talk]]) 13:02, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

== 拉薩城關四川話 ==

Hi, what source are you using for this? [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 05:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
: From [https://zhongguoyuyan.cn/area_details.html?id=34801&lang=cn 中国语言资源保护工程采录展示平台]. This website has data of 1284 方言點s. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 10:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
:: {{ping|RcAlex36}}. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 14:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
::: I've made an account on 語保工程. What do you think of the website? Some on Zhihu have noted the quality of the data collected is uneven. [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 14:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
:::: {{re|RcAlex36}} (Also {{ping|Justinrleung}}) Did they provide any evidence? --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 04:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

== 上海马桥话的台语底层词汇 ==

{{ping|Justinrleung}}: [http://www.doc88.com/p-7037791598284.html]. Though it's easy to add this to [[Module:zh/data/dial]]，hou to deal with the etymology part? There's clear evidence that some words come from proto-austro-tai. We can't say some of the words come from exactly proto-kra-dai or proto-austronesian. [[User:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|EdwardAlexanderCrowley]] ([[User talk:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|talk]]) 09:19, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, how to deal with Suriname Hakka in case it's added? Maybe a map-in-map?  [[User:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|EdwardAlexanderCrowley]] ([[User talk:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|talk]]) 09:11, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

: {{re|EdwardAlexanderCrowley}} We can always use "compare X, Y" in the etymologies when we're not sure if it's Kra-Dai or Austronesian. However, the paper seems really unreliable, as there are clear Chinese etymologies for some of the words listed (e.g. lɔʔ³³ 下(雨) is clearly [[落]]), and there does not seem to be any systematic comparisons shown. Comparing lɔʔ³³ suː⁵³ [[落蘇]] to Zhuang lɯk³³ ke²¹ or Paiwan lasaras is kind of ridiculous.
: As for Suriname Hakka, do you have a source or know speakers? If not, it's not a worry I would consider yet. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 22:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
::时珍曰∶陈藏器《本草》云∶茄，一名落苏。'''名义未详'''。按∶《五代贻子录》作'''酪酥'''，盖以其味如酥酪也，于义似通。The etymology for 落苏 is never clear. 马桥 has 缩气音, and is always of high O1a Y haplogroup, so as a Molecular Anthropology researcher, 李辉 published this article to draw attention, that's the background. 李辉's colleagues published good articles on linguistics: [https://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_3339066].
::I want to use {{tl|inh}} on some entries.
::Suriname Hakka: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do8FyUM0APg][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58MSiNxoV1E]. In [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkmqafyCVOQ], the uploader explicitly called her language Surinamese Hakka. [[User:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|EdwardAlexanderCrowley]] ([[User talk:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|talk]]) 02:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EdwardAlexanderCrowley}} Using genetics to determine etymology is a very bad idea. As an example, most of the recognizably Jewish terms in US English come from Middle High German, not Hebrew. If you think about it, anything that's part of the history of a group but not part of the history of those outside of the group will leave traces that are correlated with that group, regardless of whether it comes from inside or outside of the group. [[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] ([[User talk:Chuck Entz|talk]]) 03:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Chuck Entz}} Well, O1a is just background, not covered by the paper. 马桥话(Maqiao dialect) has many 缩气音 (implosive, pre-glottalized) which doen't preserve well in Shanghainese. However, 缩气音 (implosive, pre-glottalized) is found in Kra-dai languages like Bouyei language (布依语). See figure 1 in the paper. [[User:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|EdwardAlexanderCrowley]] ([[User talk:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|talk]]) 04:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
::::: {{re|EdwardAlexanderCrowley}} Having particular phonetic features in common doesn't necessarily mean much. English and Min Nan both have voiced consonants, but that doesn't mean the feature is related. As I've said, the comparisons made in the paper do not seem show any systematic patterns, and the part on comparing Maqiao to Austronesian languages (which are distantly related to Kra-Dai - and even this is disputed) is especially dubious, such as the section where the supposed substrate words have only "retained" one syllable. Many of the words shown are also in 市區 Shanghainese, so not looking at 市區 Shanghainese and other Wu varieties before looking to such faraway languages makes this really dubious.
::::: About 落蘇, if we just consider the comparison with Zhuang, it is already far-fetched. The only superficial similarity is in the first syllable, which is actually a prefix for fruit names in Zhuang. What would be the motivation for changing k to s? If 蘇 comes another root, what would it be? Also, if it's only the prefix that's borrowed, we might expect to see more productivity of the prefix, but I don't think there are other fruits that have this prefix in Shanghainese. The comparison is also not great because the root of Zhuang word is actually from Chinese. Even if 蘇 is somehow related to the second syllable in the Zhuang word, it would not show any connection to Tai languages.
::::: I don't have time to examine every point in the paper, but it is just not worth our time to pay attention to it. It was a paper in a conference that does not have much to do with historical linguistics or contact linguistics, which means that even if it's been reviewed, there might not have been experts on linguistics. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 05:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
::::: As for Suriname Hakka, I would not put it in the modules unless we have more resources. Just a few YouTube videos is not enough. We are also not sure which city/town it is. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 05:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
:::::: {{re|EdwardAlexanderCrowley}} The implosives could have arisen internally. See 朱晓农, & 寸熙. (2006). 试论清浊音变圈-兼论吴, 闽语内爆音不出于侗台底层. 民族語文, 2006(3), 3-13. [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 06:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
:::::::However, 朱晓农's another paper in 2017 shows an example of implosive caused by contacting: [https://www.ixueshu.com/document/6f1c39aa313492da381c0aab81c124ec.html 回辉话的内爆音:对音法类型学和演化音法学的意义](回辉话=[[:w:Tsat]]), he found implosive of 回辉话Tsat is of the same type as 海南话Hainanese. The paper [https://www.ixueshu.com/document/ab79a487ed7605dd686313cef74f1f5b318947a18e7f9386.html 论东亚语言内爆音的地理分布与族群渊源] argues for 族群渊源(links to ethnic groups). 朱晓农 never explains why there're so many implosives in 马桥话(Maqiao dialect). [[User:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|EdwardAlexanderCrowley]] ([[User talk:EdwardAlexanderCrowley|talk]]) 08:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
::::::: {{ping|Justinrleung}} It's not relevant to the point at hand, but English doesn't really have voiced stops: the contrast is between aspirated and unaspirated, just like in Mandarin (though other rules apply: if you play a recording of someone saying "[[spin]]" starting from after the "s", any English speaker will hear "[[bin]]").[[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] ([[User talk:Chuck Entz|talk]]) 18:40, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
:::::::: {{re|Chuck Entz}} Yes, that's true, but English does have voiced stops intervocalically, and the actually phonetically voiced variant is acceptable syllable-initially, though not necessarily common in native speech. I guess a better example would have been a Romance language having voiced stops. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 18:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
::: {{ping|EdwardAlexanderCrowley}} Going back to another point: a lect with a substrate doesn't inherit from the substrate, so you can't use {{tl|inh}} (you'd only get a module error if you tried). Inheritance is what what happens when a language changes over time to the point that it's no longer the same language, and the elements of the old language thus become elements of the new language. A substrate language doesn't change into the adopted language, it's replaced by it. 
::: Some elements of the substrate language may be transferred to the adopted language as spoken by the former substrate-language speakers, but the adopted language is still the same language it was. The speakers generally retain some of the grammatical and phonological structure of their former language, for instance (i.e., they speak with an accent), which may cause the adopted language to change in different directions than it would have- but that's not part of the history of the substrate language.
::: It could be argued that the transfer of vocabulary to the adopted language by speakers of the substrate language might not be properly described as borrowing, but whatever it is, it's not inheritance. [[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] ([[User talk:Chuck Entz|talk]]) 18:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

== [[直覺主義]] and [[白人至上主義]] ==

Could you please explain the reversions you made to these two entries? The pinyin for [[主義]] is treated as a suffix in the hundreds of other derived terms on Wiktionary: [[愛國主義]], [[保守主義]], [[悲觀主義]], [[表現主義]], [[超現實主義]], etc. Surely we should remain consistent? [[User:Tooironic|---&#62; Tooironic]] ([[User talk:Tooironic|talk]]) 00:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
: {{re|Tooironic}} Per 汉语拼音正词法基本规则 (2012): “5.3 四音节及四音节以上表示一个整体概念的名称，按词或语节（词语内部由语音停顿而划分成的片段）分写，不能按词或语节划分的，全都连写”. Also, 主義 is not just a suffix. It's a noun. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 05:58, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
: 愛國主義 is transcribed as àiguó zhǔyì in ''Xiandai Hanyu Cidian'' (7th edition). --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 05:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
:: I see. So does anyone want to volunteer to make the edits to the hundreds of 主義 entries? [[User:Tooironic|---&#62; Tooironic]] ([[User talk:Tooironic|talk]]) 06:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
::: {{re|Tooironic}} I will do it later. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 06:15, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
:::: That would be great. However, the pinyin entries will also need to be deleted. I guess you don't have admin privileges to do that? [[User:Tooironic|---&#62; Tooironic]] ([[User talk:Tooironic|talk]]) 06:23, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
::::: {{re|Tooironic}} No, I don't. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 12:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

== [[推翻]] ==

Are you sure this is an intransitive verb? You can say 推翻舊王朝, "to overthrow the old dynasty". [[User:Tooironic|---&#62; Tooironic]] ([[User talk:Tooironic|talk]]) 22:47, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
: I think it should be transitive. 兩岸詞典 gives these examples: 推翻茶几, 推翻板凳, 推翻暴政, 推翻專制, 推翻強權, 推翻定案, 推翻前人學說, 推翻原先結論. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 23:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
:: {{re|Justinrleung|Tooironic}} Yes. It's transitive. The “intransitive” label might be a typo :( --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 00:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
:::Thanks for fixing it. —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 01:59, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
::::Thanks everyone. [[User:Tooironic|---&#62; Tooironic]] ([[User talk:Tooironic|talk]]) 23:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

== [[戒嚴]]: Tense ==

With reference to [https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=%E6%88%92%E5%9A%B4&diff=65377252&oldid=65364679 this edit], are you really sure that [[戒嚴]] is used as a noun in Chinese? As stated in [https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=%E6%88%92%E5%9A%B4&diff=65345358&oldid=65345329 my edit note], the term itself is almost being used with other verbs, so it's unlikely to be used solely as a verb. Moreover, dictionaries (like [https://dict.revised.moe.edu.tw/dictView.jsp?ID=90824&q=1&word=%E6%88%92%E5%9A%B4 this ]entry from the Ministry of Education Mandarin Chinese Dictionary) also states that it's a measure (military control measures imposed during wartime or state of emergencies).[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 08:22, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
: {{re|廣九直通車}} but 戒嚴 in quotations in 重編國語辭典修訂本 is not used with other verb. --'''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 08:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
::Honestly, I don't think instances in classical Chinese quotes justify that the term is used as a verb in modern vernacular Chinese, especially when considering [[w:Classical Chinese grammar|nouns are often used as verbs in classical Chinese]]. Meanwhile it is quite understood from everyday text that 戒嚴 is used as a noun in modern Chinese. So should we create another verb meaning like [[作文]]? Regards.[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 09:59, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
:::{{re|廣九直通車}} [http://paper.takungpao.com/resfile/PDF/20190717/PDF/a5_screen.pdf 謠言 各區要戒嚴], [https://epaper.xmnn.cn/xmrb/20200714/202007/t20200714_5378849.htm 台立法机构“戒严” 国民党表示坚拒陈菊人事案], [https://kns.cnki.net/kcms/detail/detail.aspx?dbcode=CJFD&dbname=CJFDN0508&filename=BKHC200810020&uniplatform=NZKPT&v=06P6nMMJLJIynBZKaBp36kgRFGyNWz5HiTc9d6MDOW7e6e1CxH8MQbt6O5e4hNhv 抓捕“四人帮”前夜 北京暗中控制秘密戒严]. '''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 10:09, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
::::I see, so perhaps we should list both noun and verb meanings on that page?[[User:廣九直通車|廣九直通車]] ([[User talk:廣九直通車|talk]]) 10:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
::::: '''Oppose'''. It is classified as a verb in both 現代漢語詞典 and 現代漢語規範詞典. It should be a 動賓結構 verb indicated by the slashes in the pinyin transcription in 現代漢語詞典. 戒了嚴 has many hits on google. [[User:RcAlex36|RcAlex36]] ([[User talk:RcAlex36|talk]]) 10:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

== Examples from other sources ==

Hi, for examples you pull from other sources, could you please put in the source, either using a quote template or using the {{para|ref}} parameter in {{temp|zh-x}}? —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 02:50, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

:{{re|Justinrleung}} OK. '''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 03:19, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks! —&nbsp;[[User:Justinrleung|justin(r)leung]]&nbsp;<sub>{&nbsp;[[User_talk:Justinrleung|(t...)]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Justinrleung|c=›]]&nbsp;}</sub> 03:44, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

== Urdu unicode characters ==

Hi, please ensure that you use the correct Urdu Unicode characters ک, ی, ہ, ھ. [[User:نعم البدل|نعم البدل]] ([[User talk:نعم البدل|talk]]) 12:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:نعم البدل|نعم البدل]] OK. Perhaps there're something wrong on [https://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/ DSAL], from which I copy headwords. '''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 12:52, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
::Yes. Those dictionaries do not use the correct Unicode characters. [[User:نعم البدل|نعم البدل]] ([[User talk:نعم البدل|talk]]) 13:01, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

== [[toilet]] ==

Hi, I wonder where did you get the pronunciation to1 ji4 le4 from? It seems to be inferred from Japanese [[toire]], and doesn't match the usual pronunciation in Hong Kong, which is toi1 let4. – [[User:Wpi31|Wpi31]] ([[User talk:Wpi31|talk]]) 15:51, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Wpi31|Wpi31]]: from [https://hdl.handle.net/11296/q9v3g7 馬來西亞怡保粵語研究], p. 143 (the author is from Hong Kong). '''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 09:11, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks. This seems to be a valid (but perhaps slightly dated and not so common) pronunciation. From google results there are people who spell this as toile, though I can't really tell if they are pronouncing it as to1 ji4 le4, toi1 le4, or if it's just a misspelling of toilet. I'll add more to the entry. – [[User:Wpi31|Wpi31]] ([[User talk:Wpi31|talk]]) 09:41, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

== Tagalog Entries ==

I saw that you added the words "chloroform" and "database" into Tagalog, is it based on Diksiyonaryo.ph? Because it's not really a Tagalog dictionary, but a Philippine languages dictionary, compilation of words used all over the archipelago across different languages. [[User:Mar vin kaiser|Mar vin kaiser]] ([[User talk:Mar vin kaiser|talk]]) 04:56, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

:@[[User:Mar vin kaiser|Mar vin kaiser]] Oh, I see. '''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 10:42, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

== Hi ==

There are multiple mistakes in the reconstructed 'vulgar latin' tables. Please stop putting them everywhere, especially on attested entries (they were never meant to compete with normal Latin inflection tables). [[User:Nicodene|Nicodene]] ([[User talk:Nicodene|talk]]) 16:14, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Nicodene|Nicodene]] Okay. '''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 16:15, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

== [[Template:cu-IPA]] ==

Please don't add this template to entries. It is bogus and is about to be deleted.

As a general rule, don't make changes to languages you don't know. I see several messages above related to cases where you've done this. [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 22:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

== Chinese errors ==

If the errors are real transcription errors, please fix them ASAP, otherwise I will revert your changes again. You can't leave such errors sitting for 24 hours+ in the expectation someone else will fix them. [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 07:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

:Fixed. '''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 12:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

== Portuguese  ==

Please, before editing a language you don't even know, try to be more careful. You created two pages for the same word, it was correct, but the problem is that you gave preference to European spelling, in the new agreement we are trying to be as impartial as possible. [[User:Stríðsdrengur|Stríðsdrengur]] ([[User talk:Stríðsdrengur|talk]]) 14:38, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

== Avestan reconstructions ==

Avestan reconstructions are transcribed in Latin letters. Please don't move them to Avestan script. --<code>&#123;&#123;[[User:Victar|victar]]|[[User talk:Victar|talk]]&#125;&#125;</code> 00:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

== Mirandese ==

Please stop editing languages you don't know! We don't need new low-quality entries, I'm working to solve exactly that. mirandese is a delicate language and needs someone who understands at least Spanish or advanced/fluent Portuguese. [[User:Stríðsdrengur|Stríðsdrengur]] ([[User talk:Stríðsdrengur|talk]]) 16:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

:I'm sorry. I don't know Mirandese and copied some entries from http://www.mirandadodouro.com/dicionario/ . '''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 16:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

== Upper Sorbian  ==

I really didn't want to come back here, but unfortunately I have. You are jumping from language to language very quickly and although your inputs are not bad, all these languages I mentioned are delicate. Upper Sorbian for now doesn't need new entries, but to correct the old ones, and that's what I'm doing since the language is a mess just like Hunsrik and Mirandese. [[User:Stríðsdrengur|Stríðsdrengur]] ([[User talk:Stríðsdrengur|talk]]) 13:26, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:沈澄心|沈澄心]] Dude, I'm really getting tired of asking you to stop, it's getting tiring, I'm getting deactivated from Wiktionary but I stop by at least once a day to see how everything is going. [[User:Stríðsdrengur|Stríðsdrengur]] ([[User talk:Stríðsdrengur|talk]]) 11:19, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:沈澄心|沈澄心]] I came here to thank you for creating the module, thank you :) [[User:Stríðsdrengur|Stríðsdrengur]] ([[User talk:Stríðsdrengur|talk]]) 15:09, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

== wuu-pron for Jiading ==

Hi - can't help but noticing that you've added Jiading to the wuu-pron module. Can I maybe ask about the source you used for the tone sandhi data? It does seem correct at a first glance, just thought it would be good to double-check it either way. — [[User:Musetta6729|Musetta6729]] ([[User talk:Musetta6729|talk]]) 15:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Musetta6729|Musetta6729]] It's 嘉定方言研究 (1993). '''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 16:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks so much! — [[User:Musetta6729|Musetta6729]] ([[User talk:Musetta6729|talk]]) 16:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

== Yanshan in [[Module:zh/data/dial]] ==

Hi, I found that {{cd|Yanshan}} is marked as "to be deprecated" in [https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3Azh%2Fdata%2Fdial&diff=prev&oldid=65164489 this edit]. Should I assume that this is to be replaced with {{cd|Yanshan-HK}}? I found this while error checking my bot script for auto updating the data modules. See [https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3Azh%2Fdata%2Fdial-syn%2F%E4%B8%80&diff=79846336&oldid=79846023 this] for a test run. If you want to, please also feel free to ask me any questions you have regarding the script/task. --[[User:Kc kennylau|kc_kennylau]] ([[User talk:Kc kennylau|talk]]) 21:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Kc kennylau|Kc kennylau]] Yes. It's <code>Yanshan-HK</code>. '''[[User:沈澄心|沈]][[User talk:沈澄心|澄]][[Special:Contributions/沈澄心|心]][[Special:EmailUser/沈澄心|✉]]''' 06:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

== [[músík]] ==

Don't create pages without references, and your pronunciation is wrong. [[User:GrænnHundur|GrænnHundur]] ([[User talk:GrænnHundur|talk]]) 16:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Lower Sorbian ==

Hey, since you made automatic declension for Upper Sorbian adjectives, do you think you could modify it to make one for Lower Sorbian? I explained them on [[Appendix:Lower Sorbian adjectives]]. It has 2-way animacy (animate-inanimate) and is simplier I think. [[User:Sławobóg|Sławobóg]] ([[User talk:Sławobóg|talk]]) 18:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, I'm occupied at the moment. '''<span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">[[User:沈澄心|<span style="color:#9f3526">dring</span>]][[User talk:沈澄心|<span style="color:#534fa3">sim</span>]]</span>''' 16:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
::No problem! [[User:Sławobóg|Sławobóg]] ([[User talk:Sławobóg|talk]]) 14:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)