Pottery: Is this 19th C. American Redware Pottery?

Hello everyone,

First I would just like to say that I know next to nothing when it comes to American pottery.

These two piece were found yesterday here in the South Jersey, NJ./Phila. PA. area.

Through my very short online research, I believe these are 19th C.(?) American redware(?).

The first I believe is a Pennsylvania(?) urn(?), and has what appears to be coggle(?) marks at the neck. The base is marked with what appears to be illegible incised initials near the footrim. The other I believe is a Bristol County, MA.(?) parcel-green glazed flower pot, decorated with white and brown slip and has what appears to be a built-in flower-frog(?). The base is pencil marked with what appears to be the original asking price of $4.50

All of the above is probably wrong??? Can you all please help ID the possible age, origin and type of wares these items may be?

Thank you!

 

I'm not going to be of much help but here's what I've got. Usually coggling is done with a coggle wheel (I think) and is a repetitive impressed design. The design around the neck of your first piece almost looks incised to me so I'm not sure if it's coggled or not. I find this type of pottery to look very similar from country to country so I can't comment on whether it's American or not.

Your other piece looks buff bodied to me rather than red bodied. It looks, what shall I say, not American to my eye but the problem of course is that people from all over brought their traditions for pottery making with them here. I have a ewer with the same type of strainer that I've been puzzling over for years as to it's origin. I suspect that mine and yours are European but I have nothing specific to base that on. Hopefully someone will have more to offer.

 

The green one is probably French, Saintonge.

 

Found this googling Anund's hint: http://www.jaunesetvertes.com/products.php?categories_id=4&products_id=160

 

Thanks, SIS, for your reply and thoughts.

So both are probably European and not American?

Also, am I correct in saying that the item is white and brown slip decorated?

 

Thanks, Anund!

Saintonge appears to be spot-on. I haven't found anything in this form as of yet. Not sure if it's some type of pouring vessel or flowerpot.

This clay and glaze appears to match best to my eye: http://www.bashford.co.nz/largeitem.php?pid=502

It's probably not correct, but it's what I've found so far.

 

Thanks for the linked info.