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pfarah
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Torque Tube Question
So, I've just removed the four TT bearings and am wondering if more than four bearings can be
installed? Will it harm, enhance, or will it be overkill? Thanks...
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I did that job, but so long I forget the particulars of placement.
My guess is more bearings in not a good (or necessary) thing. I imagine they calculated bearings for
the the load, and probably tried to locate them at vibration nodes ( not at vibration peaks...) to
minimize the pounding. A rotating shaft will vibrate too, and without thinking about it too deep, it
should have some nodes of minimal run out two places about 1/4 way from ends. I think you could
'over constrain" it, and get a noisy bearing sooner than necessary by placing it at a vibration peak
point
Did you get that bearing and bushing kit , or did you find proper size bearings elsewhere ? If I recall
it was the bearing ID that was hard to find, at least in combination with the required OD
I remember using a hi lift jack and some landscape timbers to make a deep set bearing press.
My best guess is look at shaft for wear marks from the old bearings and try to replicate those
locations.
Add some details of how you are going about it ...
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It's been done. A good rebuild will require only four. I have rebuilt more than 100 with only four
bearings, and only one with five bearings.
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06-15-2014, 05:40 AM
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I rebuilt mine a few weeks ago. C3 bearings were 8 bucks each. The difference is clearance inside
the bearing, not ID or OD. They are readily availabile in c3. Mine are nice and quiet!
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06-15-2014, 09:30 AM
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Thanks for the responses... I figured that 4 would be adequate since it was engineered that way.
Gtgt, I haven't purchased anything yet although I'm starting to research what I need.
PDX, where you buy the bearings? Also, would you happen to have the distance of all four bearings
along the TT? I would like to compare lengths if possible. Thanks!
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06-16-2014, 08:10 AM
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Crap, I just erased the diagram I drew on my white board a few days ago. Next time I'm at my
shop I can check the spare I have, but it may be this weekend.
I got mine from mcguire bearing in Portland
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Thanks, I'm very interested at your measurements. I stopped by the local bearing shop today:
$6.50ea.
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It just takes FOREVER to do! I believe they were fairly evenly spaced. The clutch end bearing was
about 3 inches in, I remember that much, then I believe they were pretty even in the rest of the
tube. 17 3/4 rings a bell. Maybe I'm just making that up though lol
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06-16-2014, 06:52 PM
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its a job made much faster with (gtgt bangbang's favorite) an impact gun and a big airtank.
saves a lot of wrench turning while pulling out/pulling back in the bearings...rubber lube helps too.
the bearings are 6006 size iirc, the hard part about the replacements are the clearance/tolerance of
the ID of the bearing vs the factory...factory parts were tighter tolerance and are hard to
find/expensive. slightly looser tolerance = $8.
06-16-2014, 07:08 PM
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I like where this is going rocket, but dont understand (again) how the the impact gun applies - do
you mean to make a loooong extension so to speak, and coax the old bearings out with a twitch of
the trigger finger ? Wouldnt an air hammer / chisel do better to simply move the bearing? I have
welded ridiculously long pieces of rod to air hammer / chisel bits in order to pound on parts beyond
my reach.
But I feel compelled to pointdexter out that pounding on the inner race of a bearing during install
might and probably will dimple the races; only load up on the OUTER race (assuming a bearing that
is going in a OD bore).
I feel so confused at this point - learning all sorts of new uses for mah truck tire taker off gun thing
but I cant understand this one at this time.
I recall holding the torque tube down with blocks screwed on long landscape timbers, afixing a hi-
jacker lift in line, and using long pipe between the jack and the bearings. It wasn't pneumatic, but I
did feel Damn Right manly pumping that jack handle . it mainly made sense at the time cos I had
some timbers on hand. Could made a 10 foot bearing press out of some angle iron too.
pfarah I was a veritable 944 babe in scary woods when I did my TT so this tolerance stuff is news
to me (thanks Pelicanians!) but in the day, there was a shop in FL kitting larger (than shaft) ID
bearings and had custom made some plastic bushes to bring in the fit. Have not encountered them
since but I imagine still searchable.
soooo, the news seems to be that proper ID (clearance) bearings ARE available ?
I didn't particularly like the plastic bush route, and may a rumble again. Its nice to know. Details on
the parts are welcome
PS (later) oh I GET IT ! are you guys making threaded rod pullers out of unistrut or
something ? So COOOOOOOOL.
Well played pelicans, well played.
Still, watch out for loading on the INNER race; drive only by contact with the outer race.
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06-17-2014, 08:22 AM
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People say a 3 inch washer as the puller on allthread works. I couldn't find one readily so I took a
3x3 square of metal and rounded the edges to fit perfectly. This eliminates stressing only the inner
race. The impact as you said is to spin the allthread. I also used the soapy water in the tube, which
you can also spray through the holes where the shifter mounts.
I actually used a little wd to help them slide out. Remember to get the shaft out first (you would
have to anyway). A little wd will help it slide out too.
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06-17-2014, 09:46 AM
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now that I am learnt a thing or two, the AllThread idea is great. What was I thinking !?! hi jacker
HA!
I would still use a bit of pipe (match bearing OD) between the washer and the bearing. The bearings
were not too hard to drive AFAIK,so I imagine even a short bit of OD matchied PVC pipe or a fitting
(as found in the Clutch Inspection Port Cover aisle of HomeDepot) will do, to completely spare the
inner race plus wont dork the bearing's sealed face . I've been amazed how many times PVC/ABS
pipe or fitting have good enough diameters to serve as seal drivers too
damn all this talk makes me almost want to do a TT again, just to sip mint juleps with one hand
and run my lug buster with the other.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gtgt__bangbang
damn all this talk makes me almost want to do a TT again, just to sip mint juleps with one
hand and run my lug buster with the other.
you're well on your way to porsche master mechanic with this revelation.
06-17-2014, 10:40 AM
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naw Im basically a cheap bustard , too tight with a pfenig to get it done by a clock watcher,
See I already owned the hi jack, pipe & and the wood.
The All Thread would have been out of pocket and anything that dilutes my Aprs mechaniski beer
is inconceivable
06-17-2014, 04:16 PM
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I have the original metal bushings still in good shape. Can they be reused or do I purchase the
Delrin pieces?
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06-17-2014, 06:56 PM
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Reuse them. The Delrin is supposed to actually be worse.
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06-17-2014, 07:29 PM
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all things being equal I'd prefer metal v. plastic.
Measure. Dont guess. Looks can be deceptive
06-17-2014, 07:59 PM
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Makes sense...
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So, here's what I found for the original bearing locations. I used a template found somewhere on this forum (please
take this as a formal request to use someone else's info) by inserting measured values. The bearings are not really
symmetrical which has me to pause...
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I have two torque tubes with bearings still in. I'll measure next time im at the shop. I don't recall 4
inches, I recall maybe a hair over 3.. Im thinking exact position isn't crucial, just close
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