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Opinion and Perspectives

An Interview with Anabela Cardoso:

Anomalous Electronic Voices Received via
Instrumental Transcommunication
Sylvia Hart Wright
ABSTRACT
Anabela Cardoso, a career diplomat and successful ITC operator, is the author of Electronic Voices, Contact with Another
Dimension? She talks with Sylvia Hart Wright, author of When Spirits Come Calling: The Open-Minded Skeptics Guide to After
Death Contacts. Dr Cardoso describes some of her motives for using electronic means to explore unknown domains of reality and
outlines her results. She has carried out hundreds of conversations with communicators who identify as her deceased family
members and other unknown personalities and affirm to speak from a dimension beyond time. According to her communicators,
the survival of all forms of life--not only human--after physical death is part of the Natural Law. She says her communicators insist
on the need for expanding human consciousness; this seems to be one of their main goals when attempting contact with our
dimension in this novel way. Interesting parallels with the results of other ITC experimenters are drawn. Dr. Cardoso believes that
this path of investigation, in spite of the difficulties involved, is open to everybody sufficiently interested in the method, with the
disposition to persevere in the patient experiments it requires.
Key Words: Instrumental Transcommunication, Electronic Voice Phenomenon (EVP), Direct Radio Voices (DRV), Station, Rio do
Tempo, River of Time, Timestream
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Anabela Cardoso is a philologist and a career

diplomat. Her involvement in ITC experimentation
was the result of unexpected circumstances. Her
positive results drove her to set aside her
professional life and devote full time to this
fascinating field of research. She is the founder and
the Editor of the ITC Journal. She has published
articles and given presentations on ITC worldwide.
She recently completed an important project of
investigation designed to record anomalous
electronic voices under controlled conditions (See
article titled A Two-Year Investigation of the
Allegedly Anomalous Electronic Voices or EVP
published in this issue). Sylvia Hart Wright,
professor emeritus at the City College of New York,
holds graduate degrees in sociology and library
science. She has written widely on architecture and
political activism for peace and justice as well as
the paranormal. Her work on ADCs, When Spirits
Come Calling: The Open-Minded Skeptic's Guide
to After-Death Contacts, first published in 2002,
was recently released as an e-book.

Corresponding author: Sylvia Hart Wright

Address: Professor Emeritus at the City College of New York, USA
[email protected]
Received May 25, 2012. Revised June22, 2012.
Accepted Sept 11, 2012.
eISSN 1303-5150

Anabela Cardoso
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day in January 1998 we did get our first EVP

voice and a couple of months later, while I
experimented alone in my little home studio
(we carried out our recording sessions at my
house) the first Direct Radio Voice came out
from the loudspeaker of the radio tuned to the
static noise for the EVP experiments, as usual,
and very conspicuously, loud and clear, replied
to the question I had just asked.

Interviewer: Sylvia Hart Wright

Sylvia Hart Wright: It was a pleasure for

me to read your recent book, Electronic
Voices, Contact with Another Dimension? and
to listen to the fascinating CD that documents
apparent messages youve received via
instrumental transcommunication (ITC). [This
is sometimes also referred to as electronic
voice phenomena or EVP.] You make a strong
argument that the anomalous electronic voices
youve recorded supply evidence for the
survival of consciousness after death. What
prompted you to start trying to receive
electronic voices? It seems an unusual pursuit
for a career diplomat.
Dr. Cardoso: I believe nothing is strange for
anybody if the motivation is profound and
compelling. I started experimenting with two
friends at the very end of 1997 in Galicia, the
northwestern region of Spain where I was
posted as Consul General of Portugal, and we
got our first results at the beginning of 1998.
I suppose two main factors prompted
me to start this experimentation: firstly the
fascinating idea of attempting contact with my
beloved deceased ones, although I have to
confess that I doubted their existence and even
more, that they could be contacted in such a
way. Secondly, in case the few accounts I had
read on the subject were true--something that
I also doubted mainly because of my ignorance
of the discipline and its history--and if we got
results, the awe that even a tiny, faint voice
claiming to speak from another dimension
would inevitably produce in me.
This was exactly how my two friends
and I felt because we never expected any
results. But then, to our great surprise, one

It was a mans voice, who would later

identify himself as Carlos de Almeida, my
main communicator for a couple of years. On
that memorable afternoon he said, among
other things, that it [the work of the Direct
Radio Voices] was very, very difficult and that
he spoke from another world! Our
astonishment and wonder had no limits, I can
assure you. We were in shock because the
unbelievable had happened to us! Indeed the
adventure had just started and, since then, the
Direct Radio Voices have not stopped except
for a break of some eighteen months, a couple
of years ago. Then they resumed with great
vigor and enthusiasm, to my great joy!
Their first statements, after the
temporary halt that worried me so much
because I thought that perhaps I would never
again hear those mysterious voices, were: We
came back, we came, we returned, you had
faith in Tempo [Rio do Tempo], we are happy,
this is the Station and other things (see
Electronic Voices CD). From the tone of the
voices they also rejoiced with our renewed
contact. I never knew what caused the halt, if
anything. This is a very mysterious area
because the laws of the next dimension of life
are not similar to our own laws. We know so
very little about these communications that
practically everything is inexplicable for us,
starting with the formation of the voices
themselves.
Sylvia Hart Wright: Can you briefly explain
what these anomalous electronic voices consist
of?
Dr. Cardoso: The voices are part of a wider
group of phenomena currently called
Instrumental Transcommunication (ITC) that
include anomalous images on computer or
television screens, recorded audio messages,
telephone calls and computer texts--in short,
anomalous communications received through
electronic media. When we started our own
experiments, we started experimenting with
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images and a few seemed to be anomalous.

However, that branch interests me less
because the images by themselves do not
transmit information, although they can also
be very interesting because some of those were
identified as deceased personalities after their
reception (Locher and Harsch, 1989). But,
when the DRV happened, the remarkable
possibility of a dialogue with another
dimension was the main factor that impelled
me to stay with the voices. The research is
time-consuming; it demands a lot of patience,
persistence, and dedication. I have received
thousands of communications which convey
information, that need to be digitized,
transcribed, and stored safely. It is hard work
and I felt I could not do all at the same time, so
I decided to keep to the audio experiments.
Sylvia Hart Wright: Your communicators
have emphasized that they communicate from
a Station i.e., Rio do Tempo. Can you explain
what you mean by a station in the context of
our discussion?
Dr. Cardoso: I will try! The concept of a
station first emerged from Jrgensons and
Raudives
communications.
Friedrich
Jrgenson averred the existence of a
transmitting center where communications
with our level of existence originated
(Jrgenson 2004). Dr Konstantin Raudive
mentioned also a Latvian group in the scope of
his contacts. My communicators have
identified themselves as the Portuguese
Group at Rio do Tempo [River of Time]
Station. In Luxembourg, ten years earlier, at
the house of Jules and Maggy HarschFischbach, and in Germany, at Adolf Homes,
the extraordinary communicators stated they
spoke from Zeitstrom (translated into
English as Timestream). At Homes another
group also communicated and identified their
station as the Zentrale.
The communicating entities have said
about the stations in their world that they are
transmitting centers through which the most
advanced contacts with physical worlds, such
as ours, must pass. They specifically
mentioned DRV, anomalous computer texts
and images, and telephone calls. The messages
only heard on playback, commonly called EVP,
do not seem to need the agency of a station.
But the reference to a center, more
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our world was already mentioned in the

mediumistic literature many years before.
Unfortunately, I am not well versed in
mediumship but a short time ago a passage
from The Blue Island came under my eyes. I
was very surprised to find therein, mention of
a special building for communications with
our world. It came from William T. Stead
purportedly communicating through the
automatic writing of a friend of his daughter
Estelle, Pardoe Woodman.
The deceased
Stead tells of a house which is given over to
this work [communication]."
He states: "For a building given over to
this kind of work it appeared to be
inadequately equipped. I had rather expected
to see many implements and instruments,
many wires and machines, and the presence of
electrical forces, but there was nothing of that
kind at all. It was all and only the human
element." We should keep in mind that Stead
was communicating through human agency
and, therefore, it is plausible that he did not
see electrical instruments and other devices,
something Timestream has confirmed in
Luxembourg where the image purportedly of
the building of the station was also received.
And my own communicators have specifically
referred to Rio do Tempos building as the
hemicycle. The same precise information was
conveyed to the Luxembourg team some years
before. The parallel is obvious.
Sylvia Hart Wright: Do you believe youve
had any contacts with extra-terrestrial beings?
Dr. Cardoso: According to information
received by the Harsch-Fischbachs in
Luxembourg, a very high being of non-physical
origin, a kind of great angel of wisdom,
knowledge and compassion whom they called
the Technician, is the supervisor of the
contacts with our world (and possibly others).
I have received a voice very similar to the
recordings attributed to the Technician. It is
only a few words but the similarity is striking.
However, when I once asked my
communicators if I could expect more contacts
with the Technician, a figure I find fascinating,
they replied: But you have spoken with it
many times! So I dont know what to reply to
you because if I had many contacts with the
Technician, I could only recognize the
characteristic voice once. However, I suppose
the Technician can produce many different
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voices. As for Dr. Swejen Salter, whom the

Harsch-Fischbachs reported to be an extraterrestrial, according to her own words, I once
recorded a talk between two of my
communicators, as it frequently happens, and
one of them said: Shall we speak with Dr
Swejen? Thats the only mention I have of
Swejen Salter.
Sylvia Hart Wright: Have you found any
evidence that the discarnate voices indicate
some sort of post-death evolution?
Dr. Cardoso: Indeed evolution seems to be
the purpose of all life, here and in other levels
of existence. When I once remarked to my
communicators that their values were
obviously very different from our prevalent
ones and asked what the most significant
worth in their world was, they replied with a
single expression, The truth. And when I
asked what the endeavor of non-human
animals in their world was, they said: They
also try to know more, and so on. In
Luxembourg, Timestream communicators
affirmed that the main purpose of ITC contacts
was to contribute to the expansion of human
consciousness. The different groups that speak
through DRV, Rio do Tempo included, have
also reiterated the equal value of all life. The
Technician specifically said in Luxembourg
that ITC is also meant to render humans aware
of the need to protect Nature and defenseless
animals, human and non-human alike.
Sylvia Hart Wright: Have you asked your
electronic voices about reincarnation?
Dr. Cardoso: I have asked about the
existence, or otherwise, of reincarnation and
their simple reply, in typical ITC semantics,
was: Only when there is no other way, which
I interpreted as meaning that reincarnation
only takes place when there is no other way to
progress.
Sylvia Hart Wright: Have you identified
any peculiarities in the voices youre familiar
with?
Dr. Cardoso: The voices are electronic and
most of the times they sound typically like
electronic reconstructions of the human voice
so it is very difficult to identify distinctive
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occasions, Ive noticed not only a characteristic

accent of the region of the South of Portugal
where I was born but even sentences
constructed with the semantics not only of the
region where I was born but of the specific
place in that region where I grew up. One of
those sentences, so loud and clear that it
cannot be mistaken for anything else, is so odd
in its construction that I asked my sister who
still lives near my family place, if she knew
about its use and meaning. She replied saying
that the phrase is not used where she now lives
(around 45 km away from my parents region)
but that she had enquired and found out that
some years ago it was used in the very
restricted countryside area around my familys
original house. I have also recorded voices
with the typical, unmistakable accent of the
region. When I speak about voices I generally
mean the DRV because those are the ones my
communicators mostly work with.
Sylvia Hart Wright: What would you
recommend to people interested in attempting
contact through ITC?
Dr. Cardoso: I suppose I would use the same
words Friedrich Jrgenson addressed to
George Meek when Meek visited him in
Sweden in 1975: You have to have great
dedication for this work ... and there are four
basic requirements. First, you must have time
plenty of it. Second, you must have patience
an incredible amount of it. Third, you must
have money, money to assemble equipment,
discard what doesnt work, and buy more to
replace it. But the most important thing of all
is the willingness to take ridicule and slander
(Fuller, 1985, pp. 124-125).
Sadly, almost forty years later, not
much seems to have changed in this regard!
But I would add my own estimation of the
work, emulating the words of a communicator
who identified as my deceased father. When I
asked him if all the sacrifices he had endured
in this life were worth it, in view of his new
condition, he replied, It was all worth it!
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