Katrina Redevelopment Tax Issues: Hearing
Katrina Redevelopment Tax Issues: Hearing
Katrina Redevelopment Tax Issues: Hearing
HEARING
BEFORE THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT
OF THE
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U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
WASHINGTON
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SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT
JOHN LEWIS, Georgia, Chairman
JOHN S. TANNER, Tennessee
RICHARD E. NEAL, Massachusetts
XAVIER BECERRA, California
STEPHANIE TUBBS JONES, Ohio
RON KIND, Wisconsin
BILL PASCRELL JR., New Jersey
JOSEPH CROWLEY, New York
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WITNESSES
Milton Bailey, President, Louisiana Housing Finance Agency, Baton Rouge,
Louisiana ..............................................................................................................
Dianne Bolen, Executive Director, Mississippi Home Corporation, Jackson,
Mississippi ............................................................................................................
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ADVISORY
FROM THE COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 06, 2007
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recovery effort. The Gulf Opportunity Zone Act of 2005 (P.L. 109
135) and the Katrina Emergency Tax Relief Act (P.L. 10973) that
preceded it provided critical tax relief in support of this most urgent national effort.
Two years later, it is clear that we must do more, particularly
in the area of housing.
Current law provides tax incentives to build low-income rental
housing that requires these homes be placed in service by 2008.
One more year is not enough time. These projects need more room
to serve the citizens affected by Hurricane Katrina and Rita. The
testimony we will hear today will make the case for extending this
due date, possibly through 2010. I wholeheartedly agree.
The special rules enacted to assist in the rehabilitation of severely damaged homes failed to consider the value of using mortgage revenue bonds to refinance existing loansloans on homes
that were totally destroyed. The testimony we will hear today will
make the case for allowing mortgage revenue bonds to refinance
homes that need to be rebuilt from scratch.
We need to make some tax law adjustments in order to start the
hammers pounding and get the bricks and mortar laid. That is one
way that this Committee can help ensure that the families affected
by Hurricane Katrina can get back home. Justice delayed is justice
denied. We cannot delay any longer. It is our duty. It is our mandate. It is our obligation. It is our responsibility as Members of
Congress.
Now I am pleased to recognize the distinguished Ranking Member, my dear friend Mr. Ramstad, for his opening statement.
Mr. RAMSTAD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for holding this hearing on Katrina redevelopment tax issues. Also, thank
you for your leadership, Mr. Chairman, on rebuilding low-income
housing in the Gulf States.
As I have said many, many times, there is nobody in this Congress with more compassion for people in need than the distinguished Chairman of this Subcommittee. We thank you for that,
Mr. Chairman.
All of us as Americans, all the world continues to see and feel
the tragic consequences of Hurricanes Katrina, Wilma and Rita,
which brought unspeakable carnage and the loss of hundreds of
lives in the Gulf States. As we know, hundreds of thousands of people lost their homes as a result of these hurricanes and tens of
thousands of affordable rental units were destroyed or severely
damaged.
While we all know the Federal Emergency Management Agency
(FEMA) dropped the ball miserably following the hurricanes, Congress acted quicklythat is, quickly for Congress, for the legislative branchand decisively to help the people of the Gulf States
with the challenge of rebuilding their lives. By the end of 2005,
Congress had passed nearly $15 billion in tax cuts and incentives
that were targeted to help the people of the hard-hit Gulf States.
This Committee did what it could within its jurisdiction to get
as many people into new homes as fast as possible, including expanding low-income housing credits for units built by 2008 in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida and Texas. In fact, affected
areas were given almost 10 times their general State allocation for
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I want to commend you, Mr. Chairman, for doing what we ought to do, what we
must do, until these American families can once again know the comfort of home.
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Now we will hear from our witnesses. I ask that each of you limit
your testimony to 5 minutes. Without objection, your entire statement will be included in the record. I will have all of the witnesses
give their statements and then the Members will ask questions of
the panel.
It is now my pleasure to introduce our first witness. Mr. Milton
Bailey is the president of the Louisiana Housing Finance Agency.
I believe he is joined by a longtime friend that I have not seen in
many decades. As we would say in the South, I havent seen you
since Buck was a pup, Mr. Wayne Neveu of the counsel.
Mr. Bailey, welcome.
Mr. BAILEY. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and Members of the Committee on Ways and Means, Subcommittee on Oversight. I really appreciate this opportunity to present to you today.
With me is Mr. Wayne Woods, the Chairman of the Louisiana
Housing Finance Agency (LHFA), a resident of New Orleans, and
a victim of the hurricanes. He has a compelling story to tell today
and he and his family are still digging out of the cataclysmic effects
of Rita and Katrina.
Also with me is Brenda Evans, who is our program administrator. As the Chairman mentioned, Mr. Wayne Neveu, who is
counsel to the LHFA.
I appreciate you allowing me to present testimony today on housing tax issues on behalf of the State of Louisiana and Governor
Kathleen Babineaux Blanco related to the redevelopment of the
Louisiana communities affected by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.
As the Chair and the Vice Chair have made clear, Hurricane
Katrina was by far the single most expensive disaster in American
history, while Rita ranks third in the all-time disaster list. The
magnitude of the infrastructure and socioeconomic damage has
never been experienced by any other State. Together, the storms
caused an estimated $100 billion in damages to homes, properties,
businesses and infrastructure in Louisiana alone.
About $40 billion of these losses are covered by private hazard
and flood insurance. The Governor and the citizens of Louisiana
sincerely thank the Congress and the American people for their
generosity and for the estimated 26 billion appropriated to the
State to help rebuild homes and physical infrastructure. This kind
of aid was unprecedented, but we are still faced with unprecedented challenges and need Congresss continued support.
Even with the $26 billion appropriation, there is a remaining gap
of unrecovered losses of approximately 34 billion, which amounts to
$20,000 in uncovered losses for every household in Louisiana. The
funding gap does not just include the 127,000 jobs and 4,000 businesses in southeast Louisiana that have not come back. Which
shrunk Louisianas economy by $11.5 billion in 2006.
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The magnitude of the housing, population and social service
losses for the hurricanes is evidenced by a few statistics. Ill only
focus on those relating to housing in the interests of time.
One hundred and twenty-three thousand homes in Louisiana
were destroyed or suffered major damage. Eighty-two thousand
rental properties were destroyed or suffered major damage. Of the
total rental and ownership occupied units that are now uninhabitable, a substantial portion was occupied by low and modest income
households.
Affordable housing in New Orleans is virtually nonexistent. With
over 35 percent of the citys rental units either destroyed or severely damaged. Over 65 percent of the owner-occupied units that
were damaged or destroyed in New Orleans belonged to low and
moderate income families. Low to moderate income families in New
Orleans rented 89 percent of the rental units that were damaged
or destroyed.
An estimated total of 119,000 owner occupied and rental units in
New Orleans serving low to moderate income population or 88.7
were damaged or destroyed.
At this point, Id like to thank the Committee on Ways and
Means and its majority and minority counsels for supporting
amendments to the Internal Revenue Code to extend the placed-inservice deadlines in connection with developing affordable housing
in the Gulf Opportunity (GO) Zone and Rita Zone to December 31,
2010, and simplifying the scope of bond financed qualified rehabilitation in the GO Zone and Rita Zone. These were the key provisions Governor Blanco asked the 110th Congress to consider during
her visit to Washington last month.
There is one other item that we would like to include for the
record. The matter deals with a technical amendment relating to
the combined use of block grant funds and GO Zone tax credits. We
would like the Committee to consider making it clear that emergency block grant funds appropriate to the State will be treated as
normal or regular block grant funds pursuant to the 1989 authorization. This technical amendment will allow the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) funds to be made available in the
GO Zone and incorporated in tax credit transactions as projectbased assistance without such funds being treated as either below
market loans or Federal grants.
Mr. Chairman, the LHFA and its developer partners are diligently working to address significant changes, including skyrocketing insurance premiums and rising construction costs. Notwithstanding the challenges that weve faced, we have been able to
provide for the financing of roughly 17,000 units of affordable housing in the GO Zone. We have used our $170 million GO Zone tax
credits, combined them with roughly $400 million of block grant
funds, created a demand of $397 million and we are only able to
forward allocate and fund all of our 2006, 2007 and 2008 tax credit
projects up to a limit of $183 million.
Again, demand was at $397 million, our supply at $183 million.
Our efforts will produce 17,000 units of affordable housing.
Tax credit investors and lenders are concerned about closing
these projects in whichunless the credits that the 30 percent
bump-up in credits are also pushed back from December 2008 to
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December 2010. Developers have already invested significant
amounts of time and money in getting these projects to the stage
of development.
As Governor Blanco explained in her recent meetings with the
congressional leadership, the 30 percent basis and the boost the
placed-in-service date to 2010 for low-income housing tax credits
will expedite the closing of those 17,000 units of affordable housing
that are now ready to be closed.
Mr. Chairman, this concludes my oral remarks. I stand ready,
along with my staff, to provide any follow-up questions that you
may have.
[The prepared statement of Mr. Bailey follows:]
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Louisiana citizens were displaced all over the state and country. Over 90,000
are in Texas and significant numbers in Mississippi, Georgia and Florida. In
total, approximately 296,000 Louisiana residents were living outside of the
State as of November 2006.
The hurricanes displaced nearly 90,000 persons aged 65 and older, many of
whom lived alone and had at least one disability. Displaced aged persons also
were poor (an estimated 15%) and one quarter lacked vehicles.
The child poverty rates in the areas most affected by the hurricanes were estimated by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) to be over 30%.
SOCIAL SERVICES AND HEALTH CARE
The non-profit sector accounted for 5.6% of the States total workforce and 55%
of all nonprofit jobs were in the heath care industry. 70% of these jobs were located
in the parishes most devastated by the hurricanes.
Second, permit me to share the observations of our State officials about how the
costs of responding to the catastrophic disasters of Katrina and Rita (which have
been extraordinary at all levels of government) have been shared. Much of the damage experienced in Louisiana has been the result of the failure of Federal levees
which should have held in the face of a Category 3 event like Katrina. In addition
to disaster costs unrelated to Federal relief programs, the State has paid to date
approximately $400 million to FEMA to match costs associated with FEMAs Individual Assistance program. For the State of Louisiana, the FEMA cost-share alone,
even after being adjusted up to 90% Federal share for FEMAs Public Assistance
program, remains over $1.5 billion. Given that Louisiana generates only about $8
billion in annual state tax revenues and has only 4.5 million residents, this match
requirement further burdens Louisianas recovery. Governor Blanco and the State
of Louisiana requests the Administration and Congress support an adjustment of
the Federal cost-share to 100% for all FEMA programs in the Katrina and Rita disaster areas. In addition to providing New York with 100% federal cost share after
the tragedy of 9/11, there is ample precedence for FEMA approving a 100% federal
cost share . . . 32 other disasters, including Hurricanes Hugo, Andrew and Iniki,
received a similar 100% federal cost share. The case for moving to 100% cost share
is compelling for Louisiana since the projected per capita impact of Hurricanes
Katrina and Rita exceeds the costs of prior disasters by many multiples$6,700 per
capita or more than thirteen times that of any other disaster in U.S. history. Let
me take this opportunity to applaud Senator Landrieu for her continued hard work
on this issue and express our thanks and appreciation to House Majority Whip Clyburn for introducing the Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Federal Match Relief Act of
2007, which would grant Louisiana this waiver. We are hopeful Congress will move
quickly and vote yes on this important legislation, thereby unleashing an estimated
$775 million for local construction projects and enabling us to press the accelerator
on our recovery.
Third, let me commend the work of the Ways and Means Committee in shaping
a range of federal tax incentives in 2005 to facilitate housing and population recovery in the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. The Katrina Emergency Tax
Relief Act of 2005 (KETRA) and the Gulf Opportunity Zone Act of 2005 (GOZA)
provided a range of tools and resources to finance the first phase of housing recovery
in Louisiana, for affordable rental housing and for affordable owner occupied housing. By designating the GO Zone, Rita Zone and Wilma Zone as a difficult development area, the Ways and Means Committee first recognized that the cost of developing affordable rental housing in the GO Zone and Rita Zone would increase dramatically. By providing additional housing credits (GO Zone Credits) in an amount
equal to $18 multiplied by the portion of the State population in the GO Zone as
determined on the basis of the most recent census estimate of resident population
released by the Bureau of Census before August 28, 2005, the Ways and Means
Committee also recognized the magnitude of the population dislocation in the GO
Zone and the importance of providing a stable source of credits to finance affordable
and workforce housing in the GO Zone. By treating residences financed in the GO
Zone and Rita Zone with the proceeds of qualified mortgage bonds as targeted area
residences, the Ways and Means Committee recognized the importance of waiving
the first-time homebuyer rule and increasing the family income limits for households qualified to benefit from low interest mortgages as such households purchased
new principal residences to replace their prior principal residences damaged or destroyed by the hurricanes. By increasing the maximum amount of qualified renovation loans in the GO Zone or Rita Zones financed with the proceeds of qualified
mortgage revenue bonds from $15,000 to $150,000, the Ways and Means Committee
recognized that existing owner occupied housing suffered extensive damage and that
the $15,000 limit was wholly inadequate.
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Fourth, let me share with you the results achieved by the Louisiana Housing Finance Agency with the resources provided by KETRA and GOZA.
Since the spring of 2006, the Louisiana Housing Finance Agency has issued
$336 million of qualified mortgage revenue bonds to finance owner occupied
residences throughout the State, of which $100 million were GO Zone Bonds for
owner occupied residences exclusively in the GO Zone. This represents a four
hundred eighty percent (480%) increase over the historical average of $70 million per year. Over 2,052 households have benefited from the States low interest financing. Included in the last two issues is a pilot initiative to provide relief
to low income home buyers from the increase in casualty and flood insurance
premiums that deposits about $165 per month into the borrowers insurance escrow account for a portion of the increased insurance premiums.
As of December 2006, one hundred percent (100%) of the 2006, 2007 and 2008
GO Zone Credits have been reserved by the Louisiana Housing Finance Agency
to affordable housing developments in the GO Zone and one hundred percent
of the States 2006 credit ceiling has been reserved. Out of the 401 applications
seeking approximately $397 million in credits, the Agency reserved over $183
million of credits to 240 developments that will produce 16,914 affordable housing units. These credit reservations went to developments that best meet the
states housing priorities as articulated in the Qualified Allocation Plans.
Significantly, the Louisiana Recovery Authority made $667 million in Community
Development Block Grant funds available to applicants awarded tax credits from
the LHFA. This Piggyback Program paired CDBG funds with LIHTC tax credits
to make feasible mixed income development, deeply affordable units, and units for
the elderly and disabled in permanent supportive housing. Thus far, $440 million
in CDBG funds have been awarded to applicants under the Piggyback Program to
assist 33 tax credit developments which will create 5,700 of the aforementioned
units. In most cases, these mixed income developments will contain at least 60%
market rate units and at least 20% deeply targeted units affordable to households
earning less than 40% of the Area Median Income. In a few instances, most notably
proposals for the redevelopment of public housing, a second mixed income model has
been used in which at least 30% of the units will be market rate and no more than
33% will be deeply targeted units.
The Piggyback Program will also help special-needs populations achieve stable
housing and successful lives by providing incentives for developers to create Permanent Supportive Housing (PSH) units. PSH households require rents affordable for
households at 30% AMI down to zero income. All developments assisted with 2007
and 2008 GO Zone Credits must provide at least 5% of their units for Permanent
Supportive Housing (PSH).
Fifth, permit me to thank the Ways and Committee and its majority and minority
counsels for supporting amendments to the Internal Revenue Code to (1) extend
placed-in-service deadlines in connection with developing affordable housing in the
GO Zone and the Rita Zone to December 31, 2010 and (2) simplify the scope of
qualified rehabilitation in the GO Zone and Rita Zone. This was one of the key priorities Governor Blanco asked the 110th Congress to consider during her visit to
Washington last month.
The Louisiana Housing Finance Agency and its developer partners are diligently
working to address significant challenges, including sky-rocketing insurance premiums and rising construction costs, which have delayed the progress of many developments reserved credits in December of 2006. Now, tax credit investors and
lenders are concerned about closing affordable housing developments in which credits were reserved based upon a 30% basis boost that will evaporate if the development is not placed in service by the end of December 2008. Developers have already
invested a significant amount of time and money in getting these projects to this
stage. As Governor Blanco explained during her recent meetings with Congressional
leadership, extending the 30% basis boost AND the placed in service date to December 2010 for all GO Zone LIHTC projects will expedite closings and allow developers
the time necessary to complete these high priority and urgently needed affordable
housing units. Without these extensions, our recovery will be set back.
The Louisiana Housing Finance Agency is also pleased that the rules for financing
qualified rehabilitation in the GO Zone and Rita Zone with tax-exempt bonds will
be simplified by the provisions of Section 2 of the proposed bill. Hurricanes Katrina
and Rita did not distinguish between homes built 20 years or earlier and recently
built homes. Measuring the percentage of outer and/or inner walls retained in connection with a home damaged in an area suffering a cataclysmic disaster is bureaucratic overkill and hinders population and economic recovery in an area suffering
from a major disaster. In the aftermath of a major disaster, qualified rehabilitation
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should only be based upon the expenditures for rehabilitation (25% or more of the
mortgagors adjusted basis) so that homeowners will be permitted to not only finance the required rehabilitation of their homes but also to refinance the existing
mortgage indebtedness at the time the home was either damaged or destroyed by
the major disaster.
Finally, permit me to cite several other provisions of the Internal Revenue Code
relating to low income housing credits and qualified mortgage bonds that the Ways
and Means Committee may wish to consider.
Per Capita Credits: The magnitude of the rental property loss in Louisiana coupled with the substantial population shifts to areas outside the GO Zone require
additional credits to address the need that pre-existed the twin disasters as well
as the increased need post-disaster. For a five year period, the per capita credits
in Louisiana should be doubled.
Income Limits: Eliminate language in Section 1400N(a)(5)(B)(iii) disregarding
subparagraph (A) in Section 143(f)(3) in connection with the use of GO Zone
Bonds to finance owner-occupied residences in the Gulf Opportunity Zone. If an
area is to be treated as a targeted area or area of chronic economic distress
(ACED) for a period of time following a major disaster, State and local authorities should have the flexibility of using tax-exempt bond resources to finance owner occupied homes that will accelerate population and economic recovery. This flexibility will be tempered by the retention of the purchase price limitations applicable in such targeted areas.
Ten Year Rule For Existing Buildings: Waive the restriction on allocating credits to the acquisition costs of buildings in the GO Zone and Rita Zone for existing buildings until January 1, 2011. This waiver is particularly required in connection with bond financed projects that receive the so-called 4% credit in order
to generate sufficient credits to complete necessary rehab in a cost effective
manner.
Housing Credits for Mixed Income Housing: Concentrating low-income households in dense developments should be avoided. In the redevelopment of disaster areas where population and economic recovery in a short period of time
is extremely critical, credits should be used to redevelop or build new rental
units that promote mixed incomes. Incentives for mixed income projects should
be provided by increasing the numerator in the unit fraction and floor space
fraction to include a limited number of market units for developments in the
GO Zone, Rita Zone or Wilma Zone to provide the State flexibility of promoting
mixed income housing until January 1, 2011.
Apply Special Rules under Section 42(i) to qualified residential rental projects
under Section 142(d): The definitions and special rules under Section 42(i) for
projects receiving low income housing credits from a States credit ceiling should
be available to projects receiving credits as a result of a bond financing under
Section 142(d). These special rules under Section 42 that are not available
under Section 142(d) include (a) permitting units designated as transitional
housing for homeless to qualify as a low-income unit, (b) single-room occupancy
units, (c) units occupied by certain students receiving assistance under Title IV
of the Social Security Act or enrolled in a job training program receiving assistance under the Job Training Partnership Act or similar Federal, state or local
laws and (d) units occupied by full time students if such students are single parents and such parents and children are not dependents of another individual.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for permitting me to provide these comments and recommendations.
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Chairman LEWIS. Thank you very much, Mr. Bailey, for your
statement.
Our next witness is from the Mississippi Home Corporation. I am
pleased to welcome the Executive Director, Dianne Bolen. Thank
you.
Ms. BOLEN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Representative Ramstad, and distinguished Members of the Subcommittee.
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I want to thank you for the opportunity to appear before this
Subcommittee to discuss tax issues related to the rebuilding of
communities in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. I would ask
that you enter my full written testimony as part of the record.
Chairman LEWIS. Without objection, it will be done.
Ms. BOLEN. Thank you.
The Mississippi Home Corporation is committed to rebuilding
single family homes and affordable rental developments. To do so,
Mississippi needs Congress to extend the housing credit relief it
provided in the Gulf Opportunity Zone Act of 2005, to help us overcome unprecedented housing challenges in our State.
The corporation is utilizing the additional housing bonds and
housing credits that Congress provided in the GO Zone Act. To
date, we have issued 158 million in GO Zone bonds for single family homes. We have allocated 55 million in GO Zone credits. These
55 million in credits will fund 3,000 affordable rental units.
When the hurricane hit, Mississippi had approximately 8,500
units that were either destroyed or severely damaged. Developers
are currently encountering many impediments to the affordable
housing development. The cost of insurance has risen 280 percent.
Some insurance companies are pulling out of the State. Cost of
land has risen. Developments must conform to new elevations and
the International Building Code. Infrastructure is an issue in some
parts of the State. Local communities still have zoning and building code issues to address before developers can move forward.
Shortage of labor is a big issue. This in turn leads to a higher cost
of labor. Current conditions make it nearly impossible to develop
housing credit properties in many areas under the two-year credit
development cycle.
The Mississippi Home Corporation respectfully asks Congress to
amend the GO Zone Act to allow all housing credit developments
in the GO Zone to qualify for a 30 percent basis boost if placed in
service by December 31, 2010. This 30 percent basis boost is necessary to offset the increased costs associated with rebuilding in a
disaster area. Without the GO Zone Acts boost, which is set to expire December 31, 2008, developers cannot make their projects cash
flow due to the high costs of rebuilding, combined with rent and
income restrictions placed on credit developments. An extension of
this relief through 2010 is crucial.
In addition, the Mississippi Home Corporation needs Congress to
extend through December 31, 2010, the placed-in-service deadline
for all credit developments that are allocated credits in 2006, 2007
and 2008 in the GO Zone area. This is necessary because developers in some areas of our State cannot meet the credit programs
two calendar year deadline.
The Mississippi Home Corporation does have procedures in place
to ensure developers complete housing credit properties in a timely
manner. Developers will be monitored to ensure timely completion
of their development and that any delays are genuine and unavoidable. It is the goal of Mississippi Home Corporation to have developments placed in service as soon as possible in order to get workforce thats needed on the Gulf Coast so that the rebuilding can
continue.
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Again, I would like to thank the Subcommittee for the opportunity to appear before you today.
[The prepared statement of Ms. Bolen follows:]
Statement of Dianne Bolen, Executive Director,
Mississippi Home Corporation, Jackson, Mississippi
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Immediately after the hurricane, Gulf Coast communities were not prepared to
begin rebuilding. Katrina wiped entire communities off the map, and the cleanup
process and rebuilding of infrastructure has taken some time. Only now are some
communities ready to begin accepting developments.
As the population begins to return to the Gulf Coast, we must provide affordable
workforce housing for the communities.
Difficult to Develop Areas
The GO Zone Act designated the 49 Mississippi counties eligible for FEMA individual and public assistance as Difficult to Develop Areas (DDA), which allows developers who receive GO Zone tax credits a 30% boost in eligible basis. This basis
boost offsets the increased cost of building in the disaster area, which includes increased costs for labor, materials, land, and insurance. Without the boost provided
by the DDA designation, developers cannot make their projects cash flow due to the
high cost of rebuilding combined with the rent and income restrictions placed on developments funded with Low Income Housing Tax Credits. The GO Zone Act provides that the GO Zone shall be treated as DDA for properties placed in service by
December 31, 2008.
It typically takes a tax credit developer 18 to 24 months from the time an allocation is received to reach placed in service status. MHC is authorized to allocate approximately $35.4 million annually in GO Zone tax credits for 2006, 2007 and 2008.
If the GO Zone DDA designation expires on December 31, 2008, due to the current
placed in service language, and HUD subsequently fails to designate the GO Zone
counties as DDA, the developer will lose the 30% basis boost and be exposed to a
risk in development cost. MHC expects this will discourage developers from applying for GO Zone tax credits in 2007 and 2008. MHCs last application cycle ended
on March 9, 2007. The scoring of these applications is expected to take up to 120
days, which means developers would receive notification of their awards in July of
2007, leaving them only eighteen months in which to place their developments in
service and receive the 30% basis boost provided by the DDA designation. This
deadline would be difficult, if not impossible, under ideal circumstances, let alone
in current conditions.
Proposed Extensions
The Mississippi Home Corporation respectfully asks Congress to extend the
placed in service deadline for GO Zone tax credits to December 31, 2010. In addition, Congress should extend the GO Zone Acts Difficult to Develop Area designations from December 31, 2008 to December 31, 2010. These extensions will provide
developers with valuable time to overcome the myriad delays listed above. Without
the extension, increased costs and delays, both foreseeable and unforeseeable, would
rob Mississippi of the benefit intended by the GO Zone Acts additions tax credit
award. I have attached to my testimony a copy of a letter from Mississippi Governor
Haley Barbour to Chairman Rangel and Congressman McCrery in which the Governor expresses his support for the extensions mentioned above.
MHC has measures in place to ensure developers complete tax credit properties
in a timely manner. Developers will be monitored to ensure timely completion of
their respective developments and that any delays are genuine and unavoidable.
MHC continues to strive to provide affordable housing as soon as practically possible.
In summary, I would respectfully ask the subcommittee to remember that entire
communities were leveled by Katrina. This requires a monumental act of rebuilding,
taking into account many small pieces to an enormous puzzle. Affordable housing
remains an integral part of that puzzle, without which we cannot rebuild sustainable Gulf Coast communities.
Again, I thank the Subcommittee for the opportunity to appear before you today.
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The GO Zone legislation provides that properties financed by tax credits placed
in service in the calendar years 2006, 2007, and 2008 will be treated as Difficult
to Develop Areas (DDA), which provides a 30% boost in eligible basis for the properties. This boost in eligible basis provided by the DDA designation helps developers
overcome increases in costs associated with development in the areas most affected
by Hurricane Katrina.
The DDA designation for tax credit properties on Mississippis Gulf Coast helps
offset the increased costs of insurance, labor, and materials. Many insurance issues
still wait to be resolved, and demand for labor outpaces the supply, thereby increasing the cost.
The DDA designation as written in the GO Zone legislation is set to expire on
December 31, 2008. It generally takes a developer 18 to 24 months from allocation
of tax credits to placed in service status under ideal conditions. The Go Zone deadline threatens to repeal the DDA status for any project not placed in service by December 31, 2008, thereby increasing the overall cost of development and reducing
the affordability of the individual units. For developments receiving tax credits in
2007 and 2008, the fastest development timeline of 18 to 24 months still places the
placed in service date outside the timeframe provided by the GO Zone legislation.
In addition, there is one additional item that I would place as the highest priority
to be addressed immediately so that the investment in affordable housing in Mississippi is not curtailed:
To alleviate the pressures, I ask you to extend until December 31, 2010
the deadline for placing Low Income Housing Tax Credit developments in
service, as well as the deadline for benefits to these housing developments
available through the and GO Zone LIHTC Basis Boost.
This additional time would allow developers to overcome the increases in development cost while providing ample time to work with government agencies and local
communities to provide affordable housing to areas of greatest need.
Sincerely,
Haley Barbour
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Chairman LEWIS. Thank you very much, Ms. Bolen, for your
statement. Thank you for taking the time to be here, you and Mr.
Bailey.
Without objection, I would like to include two recent Washington
Post articles in the record. One from February 21, 2007, called
Mostly Black Mardi Gras Event Shows a City in Pain, and one
from March 12, 2007, called We Called it Hurricane FEMA.
[The information follows:]
Mostly Black Mardi Gras Event Shows A City in Pain
Under the Bridge, Joy Masks Despair
By Peter Whoriskey
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 21, 2007; A03
NEW ORLEANS, Feb. 20The Mardi Gras celebration that took place under the
bridge today wasnt broadcast live on TV. It didnt appear on tourist brochures. Indeed, it hardly seemed to exist, to judge by the absence of attention.
But the predominantly African American tradition that goes on in the shadows
of the Interstate 10 overpass draws more than 10,000 people, boasts its own proud
and bizarre spectaclesZulu warriors, brass bands and Day-Glo feathered Indians
among themand in its own separate reality offered a stark contrast to the hopeful
hype that attended the more official, more publicized part of the citys Fat Tuesday.
Mayor C. Ray Nagin (D) and others touted the ample Mardi Gras crowds and
packed hotels elsewhere in the city as a sign of New Orleanss vitality.
This is what Mardi Gras is about is New Orleansits back, yall, its back! he
told a largely white Canal Street crowd to kick off the festivities.
But among those celebrating Under the Bridge, many noted the far smaller
crowds in that area compared with pre-Katrina years, a product of the lingering
devastation in African American neighborhoods. Moreover, people said, among those
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who have returned, the sense of celebration often masked the personal hardships
of post-Katrina New Orleans.
All that other stuffall that theyre saying on TV about us coming back, about
us rebuildingits just a front, said Bennie Pete, the tuba player and band leader
for the Hot 8 Brass Band, a local institution, a few hours before taking the stage
beneath the overpass. Its terrible here. People are struggling. Just look around.
He pointed to the nearby Lafitte housing complex, which has been closed since
the storm. Metal shutters cover the windows of hundreds of units to prevent residents from returning. Notices posted warn passersby that anyone entering could be
fined or jailed. Within view, many other buildings have been similarly abandoned.
People need places to live, he said. Now ask yourself: Why cant they reopen
that?
For the day at least, people at Under the Bridge where hugging and dancing and
watching the peculiar spectacles, intentional or not, that abounded.
Crawfish could be had for $4 a pound, turkey necks or pigs feet for $3; other cooks
stirred roadside vats of gumbo. Brass bands, a local tradition, played. Men sporting
bright feathersa tradition supposedly started to honor the American Indians who
once aided runaway slavesroamed and periodically shimmied to the music. Members of the Zulu krewe, whose parade ends nearby, sashayed about, wearing Afro
wigs and grass skirts.
Beneath the masks and costumes and smiles, however, lurked tales of postKatrina dislocation and ongoing struggle.
Jack Humphrey, 58, a construction worker who had just finished parading with
the Zulu krewe as a walking warriorhe was dressed in rabbit and cow skins,
a grass skirt and a helmet affixed with bullhornslost his home. Its been really
rough, he said.
Blair Conerly, 33, a barber and Mardi Gras Indian, had to commute from Dallas,
where he now lives.
Pete, the tuba player, comes in from neighboring Kenner because his home in the
Ninth Ward was destroyed. Just a few months ago, in the midst of one of the citys
crimes waves, a member of his band was shot and killed while driving with his wife
and child.
Asked whether the hard-hit Ninth Ward would ever come back, Pete exhaled
forcefully enough to billow his cheeks.
If it ever does, it will be a really, really long time, he said. The answer is, I
really dont know.
The city is still half-empty, by most estimates, and the toll has been heaviest on
black residents. The proportion of African Americans residing in the city is estimated to have slipped from nearly 70 percent before Katrina to about 55 percent
now.
The Lower Ninth Ward remains almost desolate, with only a handful of trailers
to signal any intention of residents returning. On some blocks nearest the canalwall breaches, nearly all of the homes already have been torn down.
In New Orleans East, once a vast area of middle-class African Americans, there
are just a few more trailers and a lingering wonder about whether the community
will come back. On one typical block, only about four of 24 homes are occupied.
Were pioneers out here, said Leroy Thomas III, a cable installer fixing up his
New Orleans East home. We dont really know whats going to happen here. But
right now, I dont have time for Mardi Gras.
Even among those who have returned, the struggles in post-Katrina New Orleans
have cut any appetite for celebration.
Ernest Penns, 74, a church deacon living in a Federal Emergency Management
Agency trailer in a nearly deserted street in the Lower Ninth Ward, said he couldnt
think about Mardi Gras nowat least until he could get back into his home or at
least get the heater fixed in the trailer.
Theres no peace of mind for us yet, he said.
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Why?
What about school?
To the residents of the Yorkshire Mobile Home Park, all of them families displaced by Hurricane Katrina, the Federal Emergency Management Agency crews offered answers that were uncertain and sometimes contradictory. As residents spilled
out of their homes to meet their similarly bewildered neighbors, the adults wondered where they would be sent next, and how far they might wind up from their
jobs. Some began sobbing. Then the children, seeing their parents tears, began crying, too. A woman fainted, and an ambulance came.
It was like shock and awe, recalled Ron Harrell, 40, a tenant. We called it Hurricane FEMA.
The Yorkshire residents were eventually scattered to other FEMA parks. But
their sudden evacuation last weekend illustrates the upheavals that still accompany
life in a government trailer park 18 months after the hurricane struck the Gulf
Coast in August 2005.
About 12,000 households in Louisiana live in such settlements, temporary arrangements that only out of desperation are being stretched out indefinitely.
Almost all of the trailers occupants were renters before the storm; unlike homeowners, they received no direct rebuilding assistance from the federal government.
Some parks are rife with crime. Others are in isolated rural areas, far from schools
and bus routes. Some trailers are in poor condition.
Park tenants are keenly aware that they are not particularly welcome where they
have ended up. Fearing blight, many local communities have tried to block FEMA
trailer parks, and several are trying to enact deadlines for the removal of trailers.
FEMA itself seems torn between closing the parks and serving the poor evacuees
squeezed out by the scarcity of housing since the hurricane. Several times since
Katrina, the agency has threatened to close the parks, only to grant an extension.
Under the latest deadlines, tenants have until August to find other homes, but
many seem unsure what they will do then.
People say we shouldnt still be living in a FEMA park, said one former Yorkshire tenant, a Wal-Mart worker who wanted to be identified only as P. But take
a look at the rents people have to pay in New Orleans now who can afford that?
The evacuation of Yorkshire March 34 had its roots in the three-way political
and legal wrangling among the sites owners, local officials and FEMA. That tension
is mirrored across Louisiana and Mississippi, where scores of trailer parks have
opened since Katrina.
Before it was emptied, 58 families lived at the Yorkshire park. Their trailers were
arranged on either side of a gravel road in a rural area about an hour north of New
Orleans.
Under a contract initiated the month after Katrina, owners Frank Bonner and
Ken Albin were to get $42,700 per month in rent from FEMA.
The residents began arriving about 6 weeks after the storm.
Eventually, some found jobs as aides for the elderly or the mentally retarded,
some as workers at Wal-Mart, and some as housekeepers. Some are disabled. Many
are single mothers.
The appearance of such parks in Tangipahoa Parish, as elsewhere, was not entirely welcome. For months, Tangipahoa officials sought to slow the growth of
FEMA trailer camps. At one point, parish President Gordon Burgess called on Rep.
Bobby Jindal (RLa.) to intervene with FEMA.
Trailers were moved in the middle of the night, Burgess explained. People woke
up and theyd have a FEMA site next door.
At about the same time FEMA and the property owners were fighting over the
terms of the contract, the owners clashed with the parish over approval for their
trailer parks.
A newspaper article appears to have precipitated the mass evacuation. Two days
before the evacuation, the Daily Star of Hammond published a story about the latest
power outage at Yorkshire. It was the third in recent months, the newspaper reported, and it happened because the electric bill had not been paid.
Owners Bonner and Albin, who are responsible for the bill, which ran about
$15,000 a month, blamed FEMA for not paying rent on time; FEMA officials have
said they paid promptly after they were invoiced.
Quite frankly, we received press earlier that week that pointed the finger at
FEMA for not paying the bills. We were getting beaten up, said Jim Stark, director
of FEMAs Louisiana Transitional Recovery Office. At this point, we said, Enough
is enough.
The park would be evacuated, and quickly, FEMA officials decided. Officials began
telling tenants to pack up even before the agency had decided where they would go.
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FEMA told residents and reporters that the people had to be moved for their own
protection: The agency feared another power outage, officials said, and the trailer
parks sewage system, which sometimes smelled, posed a health hazard.
But at the time of the evacuation, the power was on, the bill paid. State health
officials deemed the sewage plant, for which the owners are responsible, free of violations, according to Brian Mistich, who oversees state inspections in the area. Although some complained of the stench from the plant, state officials said some odors
from the facility are unavoidableand legal.
In an interview Friday, Stark said he made the decision to vacate the park based
largely on the possibility of more power outages. Although many residents said they
were told they had to leave within 48 hours, Stark said it was not meant as a deadline.
Could we have done a better job on this? Absolutely, he said. We just wanted
to be out of there.
Nearly all tenants interviewed said there was no reason to have moved, or at
least no reason to have moved so suddenly.
Several tenants fought back tears last week as they explained why they would
rather be back at Yorkshire. Even those who said the park did at times stink preferred it to their new location.
Shametha LaFrance and her five children were moved from Yorkshire into another FEMA mobile home, where, on the second day, the toilet backed up and the
water stopped running.
Darcelin Turner, 49, was relocated to a trailer in Belle Chasse, more than an hour
away. She commutes every morning to bring her children to their school in Hammond; she does not want to transfer them again.
Several others who moved to a site near the Hammond airport said that the new
park is crime-ridden and that they would prefer to be back at Yorkshire. Out of fear,
they said, they venture outside less and keep a close watch on their children.
They took us from bad to worse, said Lekesha Vernon, 27, a mother of two, one
of those moved to the site near the airport. But when you have no other place to
go, you have no choice.
The tenants said the sense of rootlessness that comes with the trailer life is affecting their children.
Im tired of tossing my kids around like a bouncing ball, LaFrance said. And
I hate waking up every day wondering whats going to happen next.
When she brought her 5-year-old to school last week, he would not let go of her
and began crying.
He asked her: Mama, are you going to be there when I get home?
Chairman LEWIS. Both show the severe ongoing human suffering that still remains in Louisiana and all over the Gulf Coast.
Neighborhoods in New Orleans remain abandoned aside from a few
brave pioneers. Communities have not been rebuilt. People cannot
return home and remain scattered around the southeast. Families
are being bounced from trailer park to trailer park. Children who
cant understand why they dont have a stable place to live are having emotional problems and are afraid that after school, even their
temporary homes will have disappeared. Their whole world has
turned upside down. These people are being treated with such a
lack of respect for their human dignity.
I would like to ask the two of you, do you believe that some of
the changes to the tax law that we have discussed will solve some
of these problems? Do you think that we need to be doing more?
What else do you need to get people into stable homes?
Mr. Bailey, Ms. Bolen?
Ms. BOLEN. Okay. Yes, I do.
One of the things the housing credit does is help in the rebuilding and get more affordable housing units on the ground. As I said,
8,500 units were either severely damaged or destroyed. By making
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the changes that I requested, this would allow us a little more time
to get those developments.
We would not provide the additional time if it was not needed.
Chairman LEWIS. Mr. Bailey.
Mr. BAILEY. Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that question because
it gives us an opportunity to take a look at not only what the immediate need is, but we also have an opportunity to take a look at
what the prospective need is. I think that once we, as policymakers, decide what the objective of affordable housing really is
and mixed income communities really is, the next phase of development, both in Mississippi as well as Louisiana, has got to take into
consideration what we are going to do down the road.
Now, with that having been said, allow me to offer these observations. When over 200,000 people are dislocated, they are dislocated
all over the State, all over the United States, and they typically
move into residences provided by family members, friends, and the
like. The dislocation of 200,000 folks from the GO Zone has caused
an in-migration problem for our other metropolitan areas throughout the State.
We have been using our per capita tax credits as well as our GO
Zone tax credit to provide for the rehabitation of the GO Zone
areas, but there was a preexisting need prior to Katrina that we
are not able to fulfill with the resources that we currently have.
The fact that GO Zone tax credits can only be used in the GO Zone,
we are not addressing and must continue to address in the future
how we are going to go about stabilizing those communities that
have seen an influx in housing.
So we are recommending that the per capita tax credits be increased for a period of five years in the State of Louisiana to help
right the affordable housing imbalance created as a result of outmigration from the GO Zone.
We are also recommending that the income limits, particularly as
it relates to areas of chronic economic distress, that the States be
given or provided flexibility in using tax-exempt bond resources to
finance owner occupied homes that will accelerate population and
economic recovery. There are several amendments to the Code that
we would ask the Committee to consider.
There is also the matter of the 10-year rule for existing buildings. We are recommending that Congress consider waiving the 10year rule covering existing buildings located in the GO Zone and
Rita Zone until January 1, 2011. This change will permit the acquisition cost of a building to be included in the eligible basis in connection with bond financed projects that receive the so-called 4 percent credit.
The other is in the area of mixed income housing. I think that
we can all agree that conventional wisdom recognizes that concentrating low-income households in dense developments should be
avoided as a public policy matter. In the redevelopment of disaster
areas where rapid population and economic recovery is essential,
credit should be used to redevelop or build new rental units that
promote mixed income communities and not provide for the reconcentrations of poverty and the reentrenchment of despair.
Incentives for the GO Zone, Wilma Zone and Rita Zone as it relates to mixed income projects should be provided. The States,
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given the flexibility of promoting on a strategic basis the development of mixed income communities that include market rate units
at least until 2011.
Theres one more item, Mr. Chairman, that I would like to offer
for consideration. That applies to the special rules under section
142(i) to qualified residential projects under 142(d). Now, the definitions and special rules under 142(i) for projects receiving low-income housing tax credits from a States credit ceiling should also
be available to projects receiving credits as a result of bond financing under 142(d).
There are special rules under the tax credit side of section 42
that will permit special needs populations to occupy low-income
units that are not available under the bond financed side of 142(d).
The special populations that, under the tax credit side, would be
eligible for financing include financing for homeless persons, singleroom occupancy, for certain students receiving Federal assistance
under the Social Security Act or enrolled in job training programs
receiving assistance, or full-time students with kids.
Those provisions are not embedded in the provisions of the bond
financing authority. Those are the elements that we would recommend additional consideration be given to going forward, Mr.
Chairman.
Chairman LEWIS. Thank you, Mr. Bailey. Thank you, Ms. Bolen,
for your response.
Now I turn to the Ranking Member, Mr. Ramstad, for his questions.
Mr. RAMSTAD. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you to
both the witnesses for your helpful testimony.
I want to ask you both, and both of you know well, at the end
of 2005, we increased the per capita low-income housing tax credit
from $1.90 per person to $18 per person in the GO Zone for properties that were built before the end of 2008. You alluded to that,
Mr. Bailey, in your testimony.
The primary objective, as I think we all know, was to build housing as quickly as possible, to get it up fast for displaced residents
who wanted to come home to Louisiana and Mississippi. The idea
was to put a roof over these peoples heads, not to maximize returns to investors in low-income housing projects.
The idea was to get housing built so these people had a roof over
their heads, not to fatten the pockets of investors in such projects.
Now, my question is this to both of you. If the so-called placedin-service deadline were extended so that developers had five years
instead of three years to build housing, do we run a risk of actually
encouraging delay in building housing? Can you give us any assurances that a two-year extension would not discourage the development of housing that otherwise would have been finished by the
end of 2008? Thats my concern.
Ms. Bolen, start with you, please?
Ms. BOLEN. We have procedures in place that say the development must be completed in two years, and we go out and monitor
on a regular basis. We look at them when they first begin, we look
at them at six months, and at 15 months, if theyre not 50 percent
complete in their construction, then we go to them and find out
why. Of course, weve been talking to them all along.
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Now, if it is something that is within their control, then we do
not grant any type of extension. They still have to meet that twoyear deadline, but if we come along and theyre not 50 percent complete, we have a stiff monetary policy which gets those developers
going, because money talks in their world and they do not like the
penalties. So, they will keep the projects moving along and we will
keep the procedures in place, because our goal is to get the housing
done as quickly as possible.
Mr. RAMSTAD. That sounds to me like a pretty strong assurance. I appreciate that response.
Ms. BOLEN. Youre welcome.
Mr. RAMSTAD. Mr. Bailey, please?
Mr. BAILEY. Mr. Chairman, Id like to join my colleagues comments. We have embedded within our Quality Assurance Plan
(QAP) very strict timing requirements. We have our regulatory
monitoring responsibilities that we take very seriously.
We have gone so far as to make sure that, to the extent that
there is any indication that those projects do not meet the time line
as imposed within the QAP, that we have an opportunity to recover
those tax credits and cycle them back through our projects that did
not receive tax credits.
Mr. RAMSTAD. Well, not surprisingly, those were the responses
I had hoped for and expected. You are doing your jobs well and we
appreciate those assurances.
I also want to ask both witnesses another question. As you know,
Congress declared the entire GO Zone a difficult to develop area as
part of the December 2005 tax relief package. This, of course, gave
a 30 percent bonus credit for low-income projects placed in service
in the GO Zone. The bonus was intended to offset the increased
costs of building these low-income housing units quickly. Again, to
get them up, to get a roof over peoples heads. They included paying premiums for materials, labor and insurance.
I note that you have asked for an extension of time to place these
units in service, which you mentioned again here today. If we are
going to extend the placed-in-service deadline through 2010, is a 30
percent bonus still needed? Is it still needed and would it make
sense to only offer the bonus through the end of 2008, so we can
maximize the number of units going up quickly? Or perhaps give
less of a bonus the longer it takes to place housing in service,
thereby creating an incentive to get the housing built quicker? How
would you respond?
Ms. BOLEN. I would say the boost is definitely needed, especially in those areas that are along the Gulf Coast. One of the
things that you do on a tax credit application is onceonce they
have completed a development, all the costs that that developer incurs from that development is certified by an independent third
party. So, he only gets the boost in basis if he has actually incurred
those increased costs.
I would say we definitely need it. We have procedures in place
to ensure that the developer moves along in a timely fashion and
completes the development in a two-year timeframe. We are just
asking for some flexibility for those that might run into difficulty
that is beyond their control.
Mr. RAMSTAD. Which I think makes eminently good sense.
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Mr. Bailey.
Mr. BAILEY. I would agree. I would suggest that we keep it in
place because the cleanup after a cataclysmic event that we are
talking about now, just in being able to develop on pristine land
takes 18 to 24 months. When you are talking about developing on
land that has been contaminated and heaped with debris and you
are talking about an absence of a workforce both in the construction supply, service, to build those facilities, then you are going to
be paying a premium.
The purpose for which that premium was provided by the Congress, and we are grateful for that, is in recognition of those additional costs, but, as my colleague said, there are cost certifications
at the end of the day that must be met. To the extent that we can
recover some of that, yes.
It is imperative that those bonus points be included as we move
forward in the extension.
Mr. RAMSTAD. Let me just conclude by saying you two have
certainly reassured this Member in a very articulate way that flexibility is very much important and is very important and much
needed. So, thank you again for being here today and for your helpful testimony.
Yield back.
Chairman LEWIS. Thank you very much, Mr. Ranking Member,
for your question.
Now, I turn to Mr. Becerra of California for his questions.
Mr. BECERRA. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for
holding this hearing.
I thank the witnesses for being here. I am glad you are here. I
hope you will continue to leave us additional information so you
can make the case. I think many of us believe that this is 2 years
too late and that we should have been on the ball from the very
beginning. So, once again, to all the residents who stayed and who
did everything they could to try to rebuild, please send along not
only our congratulations but every measure of support that we can
provide to make it possible for folks to return.
I keep hearing these messages that a lot of folks dont want to
come back and that a lot of folks arent interested in taking up
some of the housing stock that might become available. I think that
if folks knew that they had a chance to go back to a job and to a
safe environment, they would be going back in droves. So we want
to make it possible for folks to not only get their life back together
but to do it the way they had it before.
I have a couple of questions. I think many of us here want to be
as supportive as possible. You are the folks on the ground who
know what you need to do, especially with regard to housing, but
I want to make sure that none of the programs that we authorize
are abused, because there will be another Katrina at some point,
and hopefully the government will be more prepared to respond in
a more direct and efficient way. We want to know that we can use
these types of programs that we are now extending to folks in the
affected areas by Katrina so we can do it again and do it better.
So, you, in essence, become the paradigm. If we end up finding
there is an abuse of some of these tax benefits, then it makes it
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tough in the future to believe that Congress will extend them to
others.
So, my question to you is this, if we extend these tax benefits a
bit more, whether it is under the Low Income Housing Tax Credit
by extending the date on which the units become serviceable, or if
we allow there to be some liberalization, continued liberalization on
the mortgage revenue bonds, tell me what is being done to ensure
that there is no abuse of the system?
For example, on mortgage revenue bonds, I dont know if this can
happen or not, but my concern would be some developer, not low
income, but some developer goes to someone who is low income and
says, I can help you purchase a property, let us get it fixed, get a
mortgage revenue bond, and then we will sell it and I will give you
a cut of whatever we get, so you cause this flipping activity to perhaps occur, the speculation to occur in the real estate market,
which ultimately hurts the folks we want to help most, the low-income folks who want to try to purchase homes. If all of a sudden,
speculation causes prices to go up because youve got short-term developers going in there to try to make a profit, how can we make
sure those types of abuses cannot occur?
Maybe it is already an existing law, or maybe there are certain
things that are being done just through the oversight, but give us
some sense of confidence that as we move to extend to you some
of these tax benefits further, that we wont hear in a year or two
or three later that the program was abused, which makes it tough
in the future to extend these types of opportunities to other affected communities in the future.
Ms. BOLEN. On the mortgage revenue bond, a couple of neat
features about that program is, of course, it waives the first-time
home buyer and it targets a slightly higher income individual.
Across the board, people lose their house, no matter what their income is.
The rate
Mr. BECERRA. Ms. Bolen, do me a favor. Just focus on things
that either you are doing through oversight or what you know exist
in law so that we know what will prevent those types of abuses
from occurring in the system.
If there arent certain protections in the law that we need to
have in place, let us know that as well. Perhaps as we move forward trying to extend these provisions, we include something.
I just wantI am not saying that anyone is abusing, taking
wrong advantage of this. I am just asking, is it possible? If so, how
can we prevent it?
Ms. BOLEN. I know when we look at the monthly reports from
the service and lenders and one of the things you can look for is
if they paid that loan off within a month or two. We have not seen
that.
What remedies there are in the law to prevent someone from
flipping, that I am unclear on.
Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Bailey, did you want to?
Mr. BAILEY. Yes, sir. There is protections under 143 of the
Code.
Mr. BECERRA. One forty-three of the Tax Code?
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Mr. BAILEY. Tax Code, as it relates to the use of mortgage revenue bonds for single family homeownership, that requires that an
individual, when they purchase a home and they go to sell it, must
sell it to another person of the same income category.
If they do not sell it to a person of the same income category,
which would then allow them to pass on that benefit, then there
is a recapture provision associated with that sale.
Mr. BECERRA. That lasts only for a certain amount of time?
Afterward, the property is available on the open market?
Mr. BAILEY. That is correct. That would be roughly 5 years.
Mr. BECERRA. Mr. Chairman, I know my time has expired. So,
I will conclude with this.
When we raise the limits, when we allow those who are more
I want to say they are better off. Right now, the mortgage revenue
bonds are typically limited for those who are low income and whatever the income level is, but we are going to try to raise those caps
because we know under these circumstances of Katrina, there are
a lot of families that were affected who could easily fall into very
low income because of the fact that they have now lost their home,
for example.
Mr. BAILEY. That is correct.
Mr. BECERRA. So, you have liberalized the standards. So, you
now allow a higher income, at least on paper, family to be able to
use these mortgage revenue bonds.
Mr. BAILEY. That is correct.
Mr. BECERRA. They then turn them over, let us say they flip
the property to somebody who has a higher income but qualifies
under this special circumstances. Then all of a sudden, the time expires and now they get to sell. If it is just a flipping process that
occurs, there may bethere is a chance of abuse.
So, I will close by saying this, Mr. Chairman. If we could just
have the witnesses give it some thought, please provide to us anything that makes it clear to us that you have thought about whether there could be abuse of this program and how you either are
preventing it, cant prevent it or provide us with some suggestions
on what we can do in passing any extension to you that will have
provisions that will prevent it.
So, I would like to make sure that in 3 years you are not coming
back here and we are saying, so what happened.
Mr. BAILEY. I understand. I appreciate that. We can always go
back to the shop and come up with some innovative ways, but I
think that, if you take a look at the Tax Code and the penalties
associated with abuses under that code, and the mechanisms that
are in place to prevent those abuses, the type of monitoring that
both her agency and mine are involved in, there has got to be a
trace amount of instances where the abuses have escaped.
Mr. BECERRA. If we have got the protections in place, great. If
they are being utilized and administered, great. That is what you
can say.
I just want to make sure, you have been forewarned. In three or
four years
Mr. BAILEY. I appreciate that.
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Mr. BECERRA. Just so that way we can feel confident that as
we extend these provisions to you, its not because a lot of folks
who shouldnt have taken advantage did. Thank you very much.
Chairman LEWIS. I thank the gentleman from California for his
questions and I am sure these distinguished Members of the panel
would be guided by what you suggested. I think it can be most
helpful.
I now recognize the young lady from the State of Ohio, Ms.
Tubbs Jones.
Ms. TUBBS JONES. Mr. Chairman, thank you for hosting these
hearings. It is an important issue for me and many people across
the country.
I have had an opportunity to visit Louisiana and Mississippi
since the terrible storm two or three times, trying to raise the
awareness and attention of this country on the issue.
Also, Mr. Chairman, I want to thank you for calling me the
young woman. I love it. I am going to keep talking to you on a
daily basis.
When Katrina struck, I introduced legislation expanding the lowincome housing tax credit in the affected region allowing for greater tax credits and benefits to be utilized so that more affordable
housing could be built. That is why I was pleased to see in the Gulf
Opportunity Zone Act that the Congress passed in 05, additional
low-income housing tax credit for the affected States were provided.
Needless to say, as you have already said, our work is cut out
for us, and we still need additional housing for low income folk. Although the additional low-income housing tax credits allocated
have been effective, I would say that we need to do more.
I recently introduced H.R. 1043, the Community Restoration and
Rehabilitation Act of 2007, which improves the existing historic
preservation tax credit, reap credit, for the restoration and rehabilitation of underutilized historic buildings. Senator Mary
Landrieu is a Senate co-sponsor.
The reap credit has been a great economic development tool
throughout the country, including Louisiana and Mississippi. In
New Orleans alone, the National Trust for Historic Preservation
estimates that Katrina damaged more than 38,000 historic structures across the citys 29 districts registered as historic. The citys
historic district encompassed half of its total area, the largest concentration of historic buildings in the United States.
Along Mississippis 90-mile coastline, approximately 300 historic
properties have been completely lost and another 1,200 remain that
are mostly damaged. This includes historic districts like Bay St.
Louis and Pass Christian.
So, there is an abundance of historic buildings in the region that
can be rehabbed and turned into businesses or affordable housing.
However, under theas the tax code is written now, if a developer
tries to combine both the rehab credit with the low-income housing
tax credit in one project, for example, developing an historic site for
affordable housing purposes, the tax benefits are decreased.
My tax legislation prevents this from happening and encourages
projects to utilize both credits, increasing affordable housing.
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Do you think allowing developers to combine both the rehab and
low-income housing tax credit would assist you in your reconstruction efforts, Mr. Bailey, Ms. Bolen?
Mr. BAILEY. Without a doubt.
Ms. BOLEN. I definitely agree.
Ms. TUBBS JONES. Although I understand as the law is written
now, the same negative effects occur when housing projects utilize
both low-income housing tax credit and community development
block grants. That is when you combine both Federal programs,
you are forced to take a lower tax benefit. Which does not make
sense, since we should encourage the full use of both programs.
How has this program affected you, if at all, Mr. Bailey, Ms.
Bolen?
Ms. BOLEN. It hasnt. Our agency doesnt administer the community block grant fund, so I am not as familiar with the ins and
outs. I do know that I have not seen any tax credit applications
come through with community block grant funds. I know that is
one of the reasons, is that it is reduced because it is a Federal subsidy.
I also know that there is a great need for it and if you have community block grant funds combined with the 9 percent credits, it
would allow you to target even lower income individuals than you
already are.
Ms. TUBBS JONES. Thank you. Mr. Bailey?
Mr. BAILEY. Yes, maam. You might have recalled from my earlier testimony that we have been successful in combining with our
$183 million in tax credits roughly $450 million or so in block grant
funds. That has been helpful, a very useful tool in terms of developing the 17,000 units of housing that will be going into the GO
Zone.
As I also mentioned, there is a technical glitch associated with
the use of those block grant funds that we would ask Congress to
consider resolving. That has to do with being able to use those
block grant funds or treat those block grant funds that were provided under the emergency relief effort as normal block grant funds
under the 89 provisions.
Ms. TUBBS JONES. Youre good, Mr. Bailey. I wouldnt be trying to speak over all these buzzers for anything in the world. Just
a moment.
Now, okay. Go ahead.
Mr. BAILEY. Essentially, so that they would not be treated as
a below market loan or a Federal grant for purposes. I think once
you eliminate that glitch, then your objectives are achieved tremendously.
Ms. TUBBS JONES. Mr. Chairman, if you would allow me, I was
in a meeting with Secretary of Housing Jackson and he said that
you have housing units in New Orleans that people dont want to
come back and use. Is thatI dont want to go into a war on this,
but I found it hard to believe that people didnt want to come back
and take advantage of opportunities.
Do you have housing units that nobody is using, sir?
Mr. BAILEY. Madam Chair, that is probably an issue that we
need to really spend some time thinking about, in terms of public
policy and housing policy in this country going forward.
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Now, yes, there are units that people want to reoccupy. There is
no question about it. The Housing Authority of New Orleans
(HANO) is in the process of making those units available.
We have got to step away from the issue and ask ourselves a
moral question. That is, do we want to recreate centers of poverty
or do we expect to build within new communities opportunities that
will give people hope, that will give people examples, living examples to live by and aspire to in their lives.
The reconcentration of poverty in public housing units without
including the opportunity to develop mixed income communities,
like we did very much here in Washington, D.C., under the HOPE
6 program, where we tore down public housing, gave public housing residents an opportunity to come back
Chairman LEWIS. Do you have a HOPE 6 program?
Mr. BAILEY. Sir?
Ms. TUBBS JONES. Turn your mike on
Chairman LEWIS. Do you have a HOPE 6 program?
Mr. BAILEY. Yes, sir. I was the former director of the Housing
Finance Agency here in Washington, D.C. We participated in the
financing of over eight HOPE 6 redevelopments.
Ms. TUBBS JONES. No, he was asking do you have HOPE 6 in
New Orleans.
Mr. BAILEY. Yes, maam, we do. I apologize, but using the
HOPEmy point being this. Using the HOPE 6 model in the reconfiguration, redevelopment of affordable housing for persons who
are coming from public housing circumstances gives them an opportunity to repopulate the area within a more improved and holistic
community, a community that builds within struggling communities the same social, economic and educational framework that
exists in thriving communities.
So, as we think in terms of public policy, the future of public policy as it relates to housing, it is not just putting people back in
their homes. It is thinking about what is the best way to achieve
this in a holistic and supportive way.
Ms. TUBBS JONES. Mr. Chairman, I know my time is up, but
if I could get a written response from both of you? One of the
things in my travel to New Orleans, I just saw acres and acres and
acres of housing that was gone. I wonder what is our strategy in
terms of there needs to be water lines, sewer lines, electrical, the
whole nine yards. Is there a strategy in place to address that issue
as well?
Without doing that, we might as wellaint nothing going to
happen. There is not anything going to happen, excuse me.
I would be interested in hearing if there is a strategy, how we
address the infrastructure of those communities that are devastated.
I thank you for your time, Mr. Chairman.
Chairman LEWIS. Thank you, the young lady from Ohio, Ms.
Tubbs Jones, for your questions.
I recognize my friend and colleague, the gentleman from New
Jersey, Mr. Pascrell.
Mr. PASCRELL. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
Im glad it took us to the end of the hearing to talk about HOPE
6. That model is excellent. It has worked, it worked in my district.
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It is interesting that the President has tried to almost zero out
these moneys. So, you have a lot of folks competing for the dollars
that are shrinking.
HOPE 6 is a very important concept that I think would be tremendously useful in southeast Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana and
Alabama. I think we should take a look at that, in terms of where
do we get the biggest bang for our dollar.
Now, this hearing is not only about what has happened, but its
prospective. You both seem to indicate that the mortgage revenue
bonds which are tax exemptI love mortgage revenue bonds. I
think a lot of good comes out of that for everybody. You want to
make them available for substantial renovations, not just new
housing. To refinance existing residential mortgages, particularly
loans, mortgage loans.
Would you address that? I think this is an area that we need to
take a real good look at. Rather than talking about new housing,
substantial renovation to the housing that is existing, which is a
better opportunity to keep people where they were and where they
want to be.
Ms. BOLEN. I know that currently in Mississippi what we are
seeing a lot of right now, I know that there is a rehab loan where
Congress extended the dollar amount of that rehab. One of the obstacles was that the house had to be at least 25 years old. So, that
product didnt really get used a lot.
We are seeing a lot of individuals that are something in and getting temporary financing through the bank. They might be using
the Federal Housing Administrations (FHA) 203(k), which is a
rehab loan. Then since it is short-term financing, then they are
coming to us for a bond loan to take the short-term financing out,
so they are staying in their existing homes.
Mr. PASCRELL. I think that should be a priority, shouldnt it?
Ms. BOLEN. Exactly.
Mr. PASCRELL. Mr. Bailey, do you agree with that?
Ms. BOLEN. I agree. The majority of people want to stay where
they are.
Mr. PASCRELL. So, if that is the case, then we should expand
legislation that is already on the books to include those homes that
can be salvaged, but they will need major renovations. The tax-exempt bonds, mortgage bonds are an important part of doing that.
Would you agree to that?
Ms. BOLEN. I would definitely agree with that.
Mr. PASCRELL. My next question is, if the placed-in-service
date, if we extended that date to 2010, because you both spoke
about that, how many more low-income rental housing units would
be created? How many families would be provided housing? Have
you planned this, if we can move to the next step?
Ms. BOLEN. I know we have done a very preliminary, cursory
survey of where developers are. I know with the 2006 GO Zone
credits, there are only one or two developments that seem to have
some trouble that are on the Gulf Coast. 2007, there is one.
We are in our final cycle. We just took applications for about 51
million of 07, 08 GO Zone credits. We will complete the analysis
of those applications in July, so that will only leave them an 18month window to complete their development and in good times, 18
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to 24 months is pretty normal, but these are not normal circumstances.
That 51 million would generate probably about 3,000 units of affordable rental units.
Mr. PASCRELL. How does that stand up against what is needed?
Ms. BOLEN. When you compare the 3,000 we funded, and the
3,000 we will fund in July 2007, you get 6,000 units, and totally
the State had about 8,500 severely damaged or destroyed that we
need to replace. So, there is a little gap there.
Mr. PASCRELL. Seventy-five percent, 80 percent of the way
there?
Ms. BOLEN. Exactly.
Mr. PASCRELL. Mr. Bailey, what about your situation?
Mr. BAILEY. Our situation is a little bit more intense from this
perspective, sir. We have forward allocated everything we have. All
of our 2006, all of our 2007, all of our 2008 GO Zone tax credits.
That will produce, provided that this Congress allows us to extend
the placed-in-service date, 17,000 units of housing.
Without any more resources, we still have a need of 123,000
units of affordable housing.
Mr. PASCRELL. So, it is very different in Louisiana than it is
in Mississippi with that regard, anyway. In that regard.
Mr. BAILEY. That is correct. So, it could be that we are going
to be asking the Congress to consider, based upon what we already
know we can deliver and will deliver, extra allocations of tax credits and funds to break even with what the existing demand is. That
17,000 is only 10 percent of the real need.
Mr. PASCRELL. Mr. Chairman, it would seem to me, and I am
not convinced of this and maybe you could convince me, that both
States that we are talking about here, and thank you for your testimony today, are both States, are each of these States committed to
getting people back to where they want to be and where they came
from? I dont know if that is the case, particularly in Louisiana
with the tremendous gap between what we are doing and what
needs to be done. Mississippi, although we are closer to our goal,
obviously, you still are going to have specific needs.
Are you committed to getting people back to their original domicile?
Chairman LEWIS. Mr. Bailey and Ms. Bolen, can you convince
this Member from New Jersey that you are committed, dedicated
to the proposition that
Mr. PASCRELL. I am sure they are committed. I dont know
about their governors. That is what I am talking about.
Mr. BAILEY. I can assure you that Governor Blanco is absolutely committed, sir. So much so that she has been to Congress
on several visits and she has made the case very clear.
I think though, sir, that what you have got to look at is what we
have done, measure our commitment by what we have done. We
dont have any more tax credits to allocate, sir. All of our tax credits
Mr. PASCRELL. We hear you.
Mr. BAILEY. We still have 120,000 units of affordable housing
to build. Yes, we are abundantly committed to this effort and would
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like the Congress to consider providing us with additional resources.
Mr. PASCRELL. I am not trying to be facetious, but we have a
long way to go here. We are going to be helpful. You can be assured
of that.
Mr. BAILEY. Thank you, sir.
Mr. PASCRELL. That is our job, that is our responsibility. This
is not free lunch here, but on the other hand we know what our
responsibilities are. With the Chairmans sensitivities, we are going
to get it done.
Thank you for your testimony this morning.
Chairman LEWIS. Mr. Bailey, I just want to inform my friend
from New Jersey, I can hear the ads on the local radio from your
governor, the road back home. Come home. Come home. There are
a large number of people from New Orleans that are living in Atlanta. Theyre trying to get them to come home.
They have to have a place to live and a placesomething to do,
something to work. We must try to help.
Thank you very much for your question. Thank you very much.
Now we will hear from the gentleman from Massachusetts, Mr.
Neal, the former mayor of Springfield. Mr. Pascrell is the former
mayor of Paterson, right? So they have some knowledge of what to
do with cities.
Mr. Neal.
Mr. NEAL. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Just by way
of note, my ears perked up when community development block
grant moneys were being discussed, because it still remains the
best tool that local officials have. You both nod your heads without
looking at each other, and that would be universal whether it was
a Republican mayor sitting there or a Democratic mayor. Those initiatives work.
Mr. BAILEY. Yes, they do.
Mr. NEAL. I know we have heard in previous testimony that the
tax incentives that were outlined earlier may be reduced by other
Federal subsidies. That is an area that my Subcommittee, the Subcommittee on Select Revenue Measures, plans to look into. We are
going to view particularly how these tax incentives complement
other Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) programs. So, I hope that we will have an opportunity to hear from
you at the right moment. I certainly thank Mr. Lewis for proceeding in a timely manner on these issues.
Since you have just been through so much in administering these
tax credits, can you explain what external factors have caused you
to request an extension of the placed-in-service date, such as cleanup delays, and so forth, and the complications that have settled in
because of it?
Ms. BOLEN. A lot has to do with permitting, zoning, lack of infrastructure in certain areas. Given the elevation requirements
along the coast, you see more developments moving further inland
to areas where there is no infrastructure, so they are having to
place them and put the infrastructure in place.
Of course, the insurance costs. Finding an insurance company
that is going to insure your development, just to name a few.
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Mr. BAILEY. I would have to echo my colleagues observations.
That is exactly right.
The only additional thing I would add would be the increased
cost of labor supply, borne as a result of out-migration. You need
to recapture your workforce in order to build the units.
Mr. NEAL. Much of that is skilled labor?
Mr. BAILEY. Sir, it is.
Ms. BOLEN. Unskilled.
Mr. NEAL. Unskilled labor as well.
Well, thank you both. I hope we will have a chance to talk more.
Ms. BOLEN. Thank you.
Mr. BAILEY. Thank you, Mr. Neal.
Chairman LEWIS. Thank you very much, Mr. Neal.
Let me just ask you, Mr. Bailey and Ms. Bolen, in New Orleans
and also along the Gulf Coast of Mississippi, places like Biloxi, I
guess Waveland, where there existed at one time, you have many
historic properties, buildings that was on the National Register and
others.
Do you think there should be something special, some type of
special tax credit for historic places and buildings? Is there something that we can do to produce something very special?
Mr. BAILEY. Those antebellum homes are national treasures. To
preserve a part of our legacy, a part of the American legacy, I think
is tremendously important as well. Not just because theyre pretty,
but because they identify who we are as Americans. So, yes.
Chairman LEWIS. Ms. Bolen.
Ms. BOLEN. I would definitely agree with my colleague. You
want to preserve your history, your heritage. Along the Mississippi
Gulf Coast, a good many of our antebellum homes, especially the
ones that lined Highway 90, which is right there on the beach,
were totally wiped out. They had been there 100, 200 years. Anything that Congress can do to help restore the ones that are left
would be greatly appreciated.
Chairman LEWIS. Do you have anything that would stand out,
a particular home that existed or a particularly historic building,
say in New Orleans or along the Gulf Coast? Ive visited that area
over the years and I know in New Orleans you hadis it a customhouse? What is that old building called?
Mr. BAILEY. Customhouse
Chairman LEWIS. But it was not destroyed, it was not damaged?
Mr. BAILEY. It wasnt, but you have other communities in Louisiana that did have damage to the historic landmarks. To the extent that this Committee is considering or has influence to consider
appropriations or allocations for restorations of national treasures,
that should be considered.
Chairman LEWIS. I appreciate that.
Mr. Ramstad, did you have further questions or comments?
Mr. RAMSTAD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Just a final question. Mr. Bailey, you cited in passing the need
for the development of mixed income housing. Last year, Mr. Neal,
who is a real expert in this subject, and I introduced a package of
reforms. They were incorporated in H.R. 4873. That package of reforms would allow the low income housing tax credit to be used for
mixed income developments as you recommended here today.
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Could you just elaborate why this would be a useful tool, a useful
reform?
Mr. BAILEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would.
I think that while this is a tremendous disaster, it is also a tremendous beginning. It is a tremendous beginning because it gives
us an opportunity to think strategically and futuristically about
what we want affordable housing to look like in America. So while
there is a need to redevelop affordable housing instantly, it has got
to be tempered with the need to develop affordable housing based
on what the human dynamic is going forward.
HOPE 6 projects are a good example of what the future is. They
take a modern day example of what works in thriving communities
and applies it to struggling communities. Mixed income housing,
the combination of mixed income housing and affordable housing
tears down the barriers that have restricted individual growth, individual aspirations as a result of public housing. When you tear
down those barriers, another Milton Bailey 20 years from now
might be sitting in front of you providing testimony that would not
have been given the opportunity but for the ability to integrate economically, socially and educationally our communities.
Mr. RAMSTAD. Well, let me just say I love your response and
certainly agree with it. With somebody as capable and dynamic and
knowledgeable as Mr. Neal chairing the Subcommittee on Select
Revenue Measures, I am hopeful that we are going to move this
bill. If we have a hearing, you would be the best possible witness.
So, thank you, Mr. Bailey.
Mr. BAILEY. Thank you, sir.
Chairman LEWIS. Thank you, Mr. Ranking Member.
Mr. Neal, do you have any further comments?
Thank you very much.
Let me thank you for being here. I think your testimony has
been very, very helpful to Members of the Committee and everything that you have said will be in the record and other Members
will have an opportunity to view and hopefully we will be able to
move some legislation out of this Committee to the full Committee
and to the Floor of the House.
So, thank you for taking the time to come to Washington and to
testify when you have so much work to do back in Louisiana and
back on the Gulf Coast. So, we really appreciate your effort to be
here and to testify.
Is there any other business to come before the Subcommittee? If
not, there being no further business, this hearing is adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 11:16 a.m., the hearing was adjourned.]
[Questions submitted by the Members to the Witnesses follow:]
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established in 1988 the MRB recapture provision to discourage flipping and use
by borrowers who could soon afford a conventional mortgage. Congress created the
provision out of concern that upwardly mobile professionals were using MRBs to
purchase homes even though their rising incomes would permit them to soon purchase homes conventionally.
The MRB recapture provision applies to borrowers who sell their MRB-financed
residence within 9 years of the date the loan is made. The recapture amount is
based on the number of years the loan is outstanding (09), the gain on sale, and
the borrowers income at the time of sale. The recapture amount cannot exceed 6.25
percent of the MRB loan or 50 percent of the gain realized on the sale if less. Treasury requires MRB borrowers subject to recapture to file IRS Form 8828.
For example, assume an MRB loan of $100,000 sold during the second year of the
loan (40 percent holding period), at a gain of 20 percent ($20,000), and an increase
in borrower income of at least $5,000 over the applicable income limit (as adjusted
by a 5 percent annual inflation factor allowance). The recapture amount cannot exceed the lesser of $6,250 (6.25 percent of the tax-exempt financed loan) or $10,000
(50 percent of the gain). The recapture amount is then 40 percent (the holding period percentage) of $6,250 (the federal subsidy), which equals $2,500.
The recapture provision, as detailed above, forces the borrower to effectively repay
the interest benefit received from using the MRB program. The negating of this benefit discourages borrowers from buying homes using the MRB program with the intention of selling them within the 9 year recapture period, thereby helping ensure
that the bond proceeds are distributed to families who genuinely need the program.
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[Submissions for the Record follow:]
Statement of Alabama Housing Finance Authority, Montgomery, AL
Mr. Chairman, Representative Ramstad, and members of the Subcommittee,
thank you for the opportunity to comment on issues regarding Katrina redevelopment.
As you know, H.R. 4440, the Gulf Opportunity Zone Act of 2005, among other
things, allocated additional Low-Income Housing Tax Credits to Alabama to aid the
11 counties declared disaster areas in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. In addition,
the legislation designated the GO Zone as a Difficult Development Area. The DDA
designation allows a new construction development to receive a 30 percent increase
in eligible basis to offset added costs. The cost savings conferred by the boost is
passed on to the lower-income residents in the form of lower rents.
H.R. 4440 provides that DDA developments receiving the increased credits must
be placed in service by December 31, 2008. This deadline should not be a problem
for projects funded in 2006, but will prove inadequate for projects receiving credit
awards in 2007 and 2008. While we understand Congress intent to get units operational as quickly as possible, the shortened deadline will make construction in a
demanding market unfeasible and will remove one of the primary incentives for
building in this areaultimately reducing the number of available affordable housing units.
The recommendation of the Alabama Housing Finance Authority is that the December 2008 deadline be amended to match existing IRS Code Section 42 regulations which state that a developer has two years from the time an allocation of
Housing Credits is made to place in service. Developers awarded GO Zone Credits
in 2007 and 2008 would then have until 2009 and 2010, respectively, to place their
developments in service and maintain the 30 percent boost in basis.
Thank you for your attention.
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criteria it specified when receiving the tax credit award, the IRS will recapture the
tax credits.
In December 2005, Congress passed the Gulf Opportunity Zone Act (the GO Zone
Act) and, among other much-needed tax incentives, it included a significant increase
in Housing Credits for the Gulf states, and a 130% basis boost in which they treated all regions of the GO Zone as Difficult to Develop Areas, thus allowing them
more funding for the rebuilding. New Orleans and the Gulf Coast region face many
obstacles for redevelopment. However, as legislators we can ease the process and
strain on those trying to make a difference by extending deadlines for the GO Zone
Act of 2005. By extending the placed in service deadline for both the credits and
for the treatment as Difficult to Develop Areas, we would effectively give the people
in these communities a reasonable time to reinvest in their communities. The Low
Income Housing Tax Credit has a history of success in the Gulf Region and throughout the Country. It is imperative that we as legislators vote to extend the placed
in service deadlines to help with the rebuilding efforts and allow the citizens of the
Gulf region return home.
A further issue with the additional low income housing tax credit authority is that
as written they would be treated under Code Section 42 as federally sourced financing and not covered by Community Development Block Grants (CDBG) financing exception. Instead of receiving a 9% credit for LIHTC projects, investors would only
receive 4%. In effect, this would cut down the amount of money available for project
financing and the number of projects for the areas it is intended to benefit.
It is necessary to clarify how Katrina CDBG Funds are treated as such under
Code Section 42(i)(2)(D), that the funds are not classified as below-market federally
sourced financing. The Authorizing Acts specifically allow waivers and alternative
requirements only in such provision are not inconsistent with the overall purpose
of CDBG statutes.
Finally, Mortgage Revenue Bonds (MRB) have provided over 3.5 million lower-income American with affordable homeownership and another one million with rental
housing opportunities. Every year, 100,000 families buy their first homes with MRB
mortgages. These bonds are typically for first time home buyers but there is a provision in GO Zone legislation that waives this requirement for those whos homes
were damaged by the hurricanes. This would assist with the rebuilding efforts, allowing these bonds to go towards refinancing home loans.
Homeowners in the region would be allowed to refinance at a lower interest rate.
There could be two possible results from this. The lower interest rate puts more
money in the pockets of the homeowner and the homeowner could use this money
to improve his monthly cash flow. The other option would be to refinance the home
using the equity in it to take care of other expenses or to rebuild the home. Both
bring greater cash flows to the homeowner that could be used to help spur economic
development.
Immediately following the hurricanes, the affected communities were not prepared to rebuild. Entire areas were damaged so severely that it effectively changed
the landscape of the area. Only now are some areas ready to begin redevelopment.
We need to do everything we can to facilitate rebuilding. I respectfully ask the Committee pass legislation that would 1) extend the placed-in-service deadlines for the
GO Zone Housing Tax Credits; 2) extend the placed-in-service deadline for the Difficult to Develop Area designation; 3) clarify that the use of CDBG funds will not
reduce the allowable credit rate from 9% to 4%; and 4) allow the use of MRBs for
rehabilitation of property suffering more than 25% damage, even if the property has
not been in existence a minimum of 20 years.
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Affordable rental housing is a cornerstone of redevelopment efforts in the Gulf
Coast region. It is imperative to rebuild affordable multifamily housing for evacuees
who wish to return home. Likewise, affordable rental properties, especially Low Income Housing Tax Credit (LIHTC) developments, provide essential workforce housing.
With these principals in mind, NAHMA respectfully requests extensions of two
key LIHTC-related deadlines. NAHMA concurs with testimony the Subcommittee
has received about the necessity of extending the placed-in-service date for the GO
Zone LIHTC properties to December 31, 2010. Even under the best of circumstances, there is no perfect development deal. With the many challenges that
remain in the Gulf Coast, our members are concerned that failure to extend this
deadline would be detrimental to rebuilding efforts. Another important deadline
that should be extended is the temporary grace period against recapture of LIHTC
credits, which was provided in the IRS Rev. Proc. 9528 for Section 42 properties
in major disaster areas affected by Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma. A number
of our members with properties in the Gulf Coast have voiced concerns that the 24month temporary relief from recapture and loss of credit provided in Rev. Proc. 95
28 section 7.01 may not allow sufficient time to bring low-income units back online.
We respectfully request that this relief be extended to 48 months, with an option
for the IRS to provide additional extensions upon expiration. Although the IRS has
the authority to extend this deadline, our members believe it is in the public interest to include this extension as a component of hurricane relief legislation.
Thank again you for allowing me to share NAHMAs position on these important
issues. Our members remain committed to providing quality affordable housing in
the Gulf Coast and across the nation.
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The IRS private tax collection program was enacted under circumstances
that gave unfair and wasteful advantages to contract bidders. The most important terms of the private collection contractscommission rates by which contractors are paid for their serviceswere never put up for competition. The IRS set
commission rates at 21 to 24 percent of the revenue collected by contractors, denying bidders an opportunity to make offers on terms that would have resulted in the
IRS getting a greater share of the collected revenue. Consequently, two of the companies who lost their bid for the contract filed complaints with GAO over the contract competition. GAO has also reported that the IRS did not established a mechanism by which it could evaluate the cost-effectiveness of the program, or a mechanism for incorporating lessons learned during the programs first phase.
Illicit conduct by one of the private collection agencies IRS contracted
with raises questions about the integrity of the private tax collection program. A 2006 New York Times article reported that one of the winning bidders
Linebarger Goggan Blair & Sampsonhad a former partner sent to jail for bribing
the San Antonio municipal government in exchange for debt collection contracts. In
addition, a Linebarger competitor is now suing the city of Brownsville, TX, charging
that the municipal government gave a debt collection contract to Linebarger in exchange for campaign contributions to city commissioners. Linebarger has reportedly
been forced to give up the IRS contract to collect federal debts, but for reasons that
the IRS has not disclosed.
For these reasons, we believe that this program should be terminated.
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Statement of State of Mississippi
The Gulf Opportunity Zone Act provides Mississippi with additional tax credits
for 2006, 2007, and 2008. These additional tax credits will provide much needed
housing for Gulf Coast residents in the form of affordable rental units.
The GO Zone legislation provides that properties financed by tax credits placed
in service in the calendar years 2006, 2007, and 2008 will be treated as Difficult
to Develop Areas (DDA), which provides a 30% boost in eligible basis for the properties. This boost in eligible basis provided by the DDA designation helps developers
overcome increases in costs associated with development in the areas most affected
by Hurricane Katrina.
The DDA designation for tax credit properties on Mississippis Gulf Coast helps
offset the increased costs of insurance, labor, and materials. Many insurance issues
still wait to be resolved, and demand for labor outpaces the supply, thereby increasing the cost.
The DDA designation as written in the GO Zone legislation is set to expire on
December 31, 2008. It generally takes a developer 18 to 24 months from allocation
of tax credits to placed in service status under ideal conditions. The Go Zone deadline threatens to repeal the DDA status for any project not placed in service by December 31, 2008, thereby increasing the overall cost of development and reducing
the affordability of the individual units. For developments receiving tax credits in
2007 and 2008, the fastest development timeline of 18 to 24 months still places the
placed in service date outside the timeframe provided by the GO Zone legislation.
In addition, there is one additional item that I would place as the highest priority
to be addressed immediately so that the investment in affordable housing in Mississippi is not curtailed:
To alleviate the pressures, I ask you to extend until December 31, 2010 the deadline for placing Low Income Housing Tax Credit developments in service, as well
as the deadline for benefits to these housing developments available through the GO
Zone LIHTC Basis Boost.
This additional time would allow developers to overcome the increases in development cost while providing ample time to work with government agencies and local
communities to provide affordable housing to areas of greatest need.
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The Act established a special allocation of LIHTCs for the Gulf Opportunity Zone
(GO Zone), with each State allocation equal to $18 multiplied by the states population residing in the GO Zone. The cap applies for years 2006, 2007, and 2008. Further, a credit amount equal to $3.5 million for 2006 is available to the states of
Texas and Florida. Qualified basis for all LIHTCs (including the regular LIHTC allocation) in the GO Zone is determined by applying the 30 percent basis boost. However, there is no carry forward of unused credits from year to year.
Congress established a December 31, 2008 placed-in-service deadline for utilizing
the additional GO Zone LIHTC resources to ensure that affordable housing is developed as quickly as possible. However, in the eighteen months since the hurricanes
it has become apparent that the development process in the gulf coast region will
take much longer than under normal circumstances. Indeed, the unprecedented devastation from the hurricanes has created significant obstacles for builders and greatly extended the time it takes to bring an affordable housing property from inception
to being occupied. These obstacles are so significant that many LIHTC developers
are in jeopardy of missing these statutory deadlines and losing their tax credits. The
cost of this will be measured in terms of the loss of affordable housing desperately
needed in the region.
In the immediate term following the hurricanes it was unknown as to how the
breadth and depth of the damage would impact the recovery and redevelopment
process. Now, with the benefit of on-the-ground experience, it is appropriate to consider an extension of the placed-in-service deadlines for LIHTC-financed properties
to accommodate for the unusual development environment in the GO Zone. Given
the challenges associated with reconstruction, it will be extremely difficult for developers to meet the current statutory deadlines for these tax incentives.
Factors Impacting Development of Housing on the Gulf Coast
There are many factors that have acted to slow down the development process in
the GO Zone. The five factors summarized below are not an exhaustive list, but are
among the most significant.
Availability of Predevelopment and Engineering ProfessionalsNAHB
members report a scarcity of predevelopment and engineering professionals in the
GO Zone which in turn impacts otherwise reasonable development timelines. There
is a significant backlog of work for civil and soil engineers, surveyors, environmental
analysts, etc in the GO Zone. This backlog is in part the result of a workforce depleted by the departure of residents who lost homes in the hurricanes and have
since left the region. Builders attempt to work around this issue by employing third
parties from outside the region, but this comes with additional cost, delays in their
mobilization and unfamiliarity by third-party professionals with the local physical
and bureaucratic landscapes.
A second factor contributing to a scarcity of predevelopment professionals for
housing redevelopment is the sheer amount of infrastructure repair needed in Louisiana, which absorbs a limited resource of skilled professionals. Federal and state
governments initiated this repair work very soon after the hurricanes and ahead of
reconstruction of affordable housing. Many firms are committed for weeks or even
months at a time and are precluded from being able to accept additional work now
for housing construction.
Availability of Construction LaborThe same factors creating delays in the
availability of predevelopment and engineering professionals apply to construction
labor. Amplifying this situation is the fact that the majority of residents who left
southeastern Louisiana were employed in the labor and service industries. Further,
the labor shortage for construction will be compounded even further as governmentsubsidized residential repair and construction projects cycle into the actual rehabilitation and building phase. Numerous LIHTC projects are entering their construction
phase simultaneously and all will compete for the same limited number of laborers.
Availability and Cost of Construction MaterialsAgain, affordable residential construction demand is about to hit a crescendo, which means shortages and
higher costs for building materials. Costs also are exceeding anticipated levels due
to astronomical flood and wind insurance premiums forcing developers to seek out
construction methods and materials that are outside their normal practices. There
is both a learning curve-based delay associated with this shift, and material-related
cost inflation due to establishing economies of scale from suppliers. Material costs
that are high on a national levelbrick and fuel, for examplecontribute to rising
expense as well.
InsuranceBuilders report a dearth of available insurance in the GO Zone and
a drastic escalation in premiums (by as much as 400 percent in some cases) for insurance that can be secured for both flood and wind risks. Housing projects cannot
move forward without insurance coverage and finding a provider slows down the de-
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velopment process. Also, the premiums required are most often not what were anticipated at the time many properties were originally underwritten. As a result,
these properties cannot financially sustain the additional cost. In order to bring the
insurance cost down as well as to meet more stringent FEMA requirements, many
projects must be redrawn with higher elevations and the addition of other mitigation elements such as stronger wind-resistant windows or structural components.
Drawing up new architectural plans sets back every aspect of development that follows from engineering evaluations to local permitting.
Local Regulatory DelaysMany local jurisdictions in the GO Zone are significantly understaffed in inspectors, plan reviewers and other permitting professionals
to meet demand. Inspectors brought in from outside the region are helping to meet
the shortage, but struggles remain. In addition, the high level of redevelopment activity has set back the review process so much that it can take months to even secure a design review hearing with local planning entities.
Conclusion
For all of the factors noted above, NAHB would recommend an extension in the
placed-in-service deadlines for properties in the GO Zone financed through LIHTCs.
As currently written, these placed-in-service requirements could result in many of
the tax credits going unused because properties cannot be completed within the time
limits set by law.
Thank you for the opportunity to submit the views of NAHB on these important
issues. We look forward to working with the committee to ensure that resources allocated by the Congress are used most efficiently and effectively to aid in the recovery on the gulf coast region. While this statement focuses on the Katrina redevelopment tax issues, NAHB also looks forward to working with the committee as it considers other key matters related to the recovery of the impacted region. We stand
ready to work with Congress and the federal government in delivering safe, decent,
affordable housing in the Gulf Coast.
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