Framing Protesters in This Light, It Gives The Authorities All The Leeway For A Massive Surveillance Operation
Framing Protesters in This Light, It Gives The Authorities All The Leeway For A Massive Surveillance Operation
Framing Protesters in This Light, It Gives The Authorities All The Leeway For A Massive Surveillance Operation
Fine Gael TD for Tipperary North, Noel Coonan, has likened water protestors to ISIS in the Dil this
afternoon. Video: Oireachtas
FineGaelTDNoelCoonanhasreceivedadeaththreatfollowinghiscomments
comparingthebehaviourofantiwaterchargeprotestorstothatoftheIslamic
Statejihadistrebelgroup.
MrCoonantoldtheDiltheStatewasfacingwhatispotentiallyanIsissituation
ifantiwaterchargeprotesterswereallowedtocontinuewiththeirdemonstrations.
SpeakingintheDilonamotiononwatersectorreforms,theTipperaryNorth
deputysaidsomeoftheprotestersinDublinwantedtoactlikeparasitesand
liveoffcountrypeoplewhohadpaidfortheirwaterovertheyears.
MrCoonandescribedthescenelastweekendwhenTnaisteJoanBurtonwas
trappedinhercarbyprotestersformorethantwohoursasdisgraceful.
Peoplewerehorrifiedbytheprotestsandthishasbeenanawakeningcallfor
them.
TheGovernmentbackbencherwasspeakingintheDilduringthetwodaydebate
onwatercharges.
Hesaidrecentbehaviourduringsocialistledprotestshadturnedthetidefor
peopleandthattherewasaneedforthedemonstrationstobenippedinthebud.
SocialistPartyTDPaulMurphyhasbeencriticisedforhisroleinaprotestatthe
weekendinwhichTnaisteJoanBurtonwastrappedinhercarinJobstownin
Dublinformorethantwohours.
MrMurphyhasinsistedtheprotestwaspeacefulandrejectedacallfrom
TaoiseachEndaKennytoapologisetoMsBurton.Protestershavecriticised
gardafortakingaheavyhandedapproachtopolicingtheprotests.
MrCoonansaid:ThepeopleofIrelandhavenowseenwhattheyarefacing
particularlywiththesocialistledproteststhatwerethere.
Thedisgracefulscenesthatwenton.Whattheydidtopeopleinpower.What
theydidtoourGardaSochnaandthatturnedthetideforpeople.
HesaidthepeopleinTemplemoreinCoTipperary,wherehelives,andacrossthe
countrywerehorrifiedbywhatsgoingon.
Ithinkthatithasbeenanawakeningcallforthembecausetheyarenow
concernedaboutelementsofsocialists,thesocalledwealthySocialistPartyledby
theMurph(PaulMurphy)andcompanyandaidedandabettedbyextremists
withinourcolleaguesherefromSinnFin,hesaid.
Thepeoplehavegiventhatsignalnowtousnipthatinthebud,ifnotweare
facingwhatispotentiallyanIsissituationintheMiddleEastifthosepeopleare
allowedgetontodowhattheyredoing.Godhelpthiscountryandpeoplerealise
that.
MrMurphylaterdefendedhimselfintheDil.HesaidtheTaoiseachhadcalled
himakidnapper,theTnaistedubbedhimaringleaderandnowFineGael
backbenchersarecallingmeanIsismilitant.
TheDublinSouthWestTDdescribedthecommentsashystericaloverreaction,
whichwereoffensivetothevictimsofIsis.
IslamicState,orIsis,isanextremist,jihadistrebelgroupthathastakencontrolof
territoryinIraqandSyriawithaviewtocreatinganIslamiccaliphate.Ithasbeen
criticisedforitsbrutalityandhaspublishedanumberofvideosonlineofWestern
hostagesbeingbeheaded.
MrCoonanspartycolleagueCatherineByrnesaidshewasdisappointedtoseeMr
Murphyclaimwithagrinonhisface,thathehadarrangedanagreementwiththe
protestorstolettheTnaistego.
Whatapatheticwaytobeginonescareerinpoliticsshesaid,adding:Thisis
nottheMiddleEast.Weliveinademocraticsociety.
TheDublinSouthCentralTDstaunchlydefendedtheroleofgarda.
Inanimpassionedspeech,MsByrne,whosesonisamemberoftheforce,saidshe
wantedtotalkaboutthemothers,fathers,wives,husbands,childrenand
grandchildrenofthosewhoproudlyweartheblueuniformofAnGarda
Sochna.
Shesaidhersonsonethoughtwhenheputonhisuniformeverydaywasto
upholdthelawandprotectpeoplelivingincommunities.
ShesaidtotheOpposition:Howwouldyoulikeyoursonordaughtertobespat
at,kickedintheshinsandverballyabused?Ihaveneverheardsuchabusebefore
anditiswrong.
TheGovernmentyesterdayannouncedarevisedpackageofwatercharges
followingaseriesofprotestsacrosstheStateinrecentweeks.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/state-faces-potential-isis-
situation-over-water-protests-1.2009289
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The hysteria from our Free Staters has reached hitherto, unseen
levels. Even someone like myself dissmissive of protests for their
ineffectiveness has been astonisihed at the reaction from the Free
Stater's politicians.
Leo Varadkar has been at the front of this hysteria, worrying about
'fringe' elements inside the water protesters. Infiltrating, sneaking,
touching, hypnotizing and God knows what else.
Is that the 'sinister fringe' that left the nationalist population of the
Six Counties at the mercy of the Orange state?
Is that the 'sinister fringe' that has all but given away hundreds of
billions of euros worth of fishing rights, zinc, lead, oil and gas to the
private sector?
Is that the 'sinister fringe' that created a cosy little tax haven for
the benefit of domestic and foreign corporations alike?
Is that the 'sinister fringe' that nationalised the debts of the private
banking sector and private property developers, inflicting decades of
debt onto this and future generations?
Is that the 'sinister fringe' that collaborated with the Troika to turn
the Twenty-Six County state into a neo-liberal economic
experiment?
You know what Leo - you and the political and economic elite (of
which you are an integral part) are the most dangerous 'sinister
fringe' that the Irish people have ever had to face.
Since before the time of partition your gombeen political class has
talked the talk of democracy and fairness whilst systematically and
deliberately creating a deeply anti-democratic and unfair economy
and society. So away with ye and your scare tactics.
The days of you and your class being able to control through lies
and fear are gone. Social media and the widespread use of phones
and video are changing Ireland in a way that you do not even
understand.
David Quinn
November 7 2014
InBritaintheyhaveUKIP,whichisridingawaveofantiestablishmentangertothepointwherethey
nowthreatenthehegemonyoftheConservativesandLabourinaseriousway.HereinIreland,wehave
aragtagbandofpopulistleftwingpoliticians,suchasPaulMurphy,thenewlyelectedTDoftheIrish
SocialistParty.
IwonderifpeoplereallyknowwhattheyareelectingwhentheychoosethelikesofMurphy,orhis
partycolleague,RuthCoppinger?
CoppingerwasontheSeanMoncrieffshowearlierthisweekandexplainedinfullwhatitmeans.
In a sinister twist, dissident republicans have infiltrated groups protesting against water
charges.
They are being blamed for a barrage of attacks on gardai trying to safeguard staff installing
the meters.
...
During the violence, which involved the dissidents, a garda inspector was badly attacked, a
female garda had a car window smashed and a volley of missiles was fired at the garda
station.
Several of those taking part in the water meter protests have been arrested in the past by
gardai investigating outbreaks of violence at other demonstrations.
Many of them are well known to the gardai for their connections with associates of Ryan,
who was shot dead by criminals on the northside of the city in September 2012.
"There is a hardcore group, who turn up anywhere they think they can exploit a legitimate
demonstration and cause trouble," one officer said.
Health Minister Leo Varadkar yesterday blamed what he called a "sinister fringe" for
hijacking the water protests.
He said he feared a repeat of the violent scenes at Coolock garda station and was worried
that it was only a matter of time before someone got hurt.
When the labeling of protesters as 'lefties' and 'socialists' did not work, of course
they decided to try a new bogeyman - dissadent republicans!
Yes, if you protest now, you are not only a leftist but also a TERRORIST!
What really makes this hilarious is in every thread we have here on the water
charge protests multiple people called this weeks ago. It's an obvious attempt to
try and cull the huge numbers by associating the protest with something people
are against. Since calling them socialists didn't work, now they have moved to
terrorists.
If that doesn't work expect DOB and the Indo to tell us all the protesters are
paedos next.
Oh, and for good measure the Indo threw in an nice article on how all socialists
like the ones in the Dail are actually murderers as well...
Yeah, when they start trying to demonise the electorate and use such scare
tactics you know they are completely out of ideas. It would appear now they are
just going to berate people and try and call them names since bribes and
threatens did not work.
Here I was a few days ago marching in Dublin to a protest and as it turns out, it
was just a big Real IRA meeting according to Leo and the Gards. Yup, we are all
members of the Real IRA now according to the Gards and their 'report'. I would
really like to see that report. I didn't know the Real IRA had 150,000 members
here in Ireland.
As Paul Murphy pointed out on Morning Ireland, that when people were protesting
at Rossport, the owner of the Independent had oil interests, and now the owner
of the Independent has an interest in water meters.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/hard-
left-adept-at-exploiting-fury-at-water-charges-but-in-power-theyd-
be-a-disaster-30725264.html
November 7 2014
When they labelling of protesters as 'lefties' and 'socialists' did not work, of course they
decided to try a new bogeyman dissident republicans!
Yes, if you protest now, you are not only a leftist but also a TERRORIST!
What really makes this hilarious is in every thread we have here on the water charge
protests multiple people called this weeks ago. It's an obvious attempt to try and cull the
huge numbers by associating the protest with something people are against. Since calling
them socialists didn't work, now they have moved to terrorists.
If that doesn't work expect DOB and the Indo to tell us all the protesters are paedos next.
Oh, and for good measure the Indo threw in an nice article on how all socialists like the
ones in the Dail are actually murderers as well...
Yeah, when they start trying to demonise the electorate and use such scare tactics you
know they are completely out of ideas. It would appear now they are just going to berate
people and try and call them names since bribes and threatens did not work.
Here I was a few days ago marching in Dublin to a protest and as it turns out, it was just a
big Real IRA meeting according to Leo and the Gards. Yup, we are all members of the Real
IRA now according to the Gards and their 'report'. I would really like to see that report. I
didn't know the Real IRA had 150,000 members here in Ireland.
This is absolute nonsense. Its more likely to anger even further the ordinary
people who were out en masse to have these fictitious labels hurled upon in a last
gasp attempt to curb the rising tide of animosity toward this government.
They have lost their mandate. They should recognise the signs.
I protested and I am not a terrorist, so I take it as an offense to me and my
family who did attend to be labelled as such.
It really shows their mentality if they are going to start branding us all as
terrorists.
http://www.thejournal.ie/water-charge-protest-in-dublin- 1718557-Oct2014/
http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-water-protests-liveblog-1756926-Nov2014/
http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/responsibility_and_neo_liberalism
Alan Kelly worried about
"sinister fringe" among Irish
Water protests
Minister for Environment agrees with assertion of Leo
Varadkar
6 Nov 2014
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The Minister for the Environment has criticised what he
describes as a "sinister fringe" taking part in protests against
Irish Water.
Alan Kelly was speaking as he confirmed that people who do
not pay their water bill will not have their supply cut off or
reduced.
The Government insists the charge will be "modest", but it
may be after next week before there is clarity on the exact
cost.
Minister Kelly stressed that the vast majority of protesters
were not violent, but he was concerned about the sinister
element.
I worry from a society point of view and from being a citizen of
this country, about the motives of a very, very, very small
quantity of those people, Mr Kelly said.
I believe there is a fringe out there who are using genuine
people, genuine protestors for other political ambitions.
It is sinister, I agree with my colleague, and that would be the
feeling of people inside and outside politics, Mr Kelly said.
Last night a group of approximately 200 people protested
outside Coolock Garda station in response to the arrests of
three protesters earlier Wednesday in Santry. There were
reports of physical confrontations. There were no arrests
made.
Health Minister Leo Varadkar, speaking to Newstalk Breakfast,
said there is a very sinister fringe among water charges
protesters who are behaving in a violent manner. Mr Varadkar
claimed that some protesters are particularly aggressive
towards garda and are spreading misinformation.
What Im worried about is that it is only a matter of time
before someone gets hurt, he said.
"While there are a lot of people protesting legitimately and
reasonably, this fringe element is very sinister.
"It is a very nasty fringe to these water protests.
Mr Varadkar called on the parties who oppose water charges
to condemn violent actions of protesters.
"I think it is really important that Sinn Fein, the Austerity
Alliance and Independents all condemn the violence and the
abuse of gardai that occurred yesterday, Mr Varadkar said.
Anti-Austerity Alliance Councillor Michael OBrien, who was
involved in the protests outside Coolock Garda station,
rejected Minister Varadkars claims, saying they are an effort
to discredit the protests.
This is a desperate attempt by the Minister to try to discredit
the anti-water charge movement and to cover up for the
thuggish behaviour of the Garda, Mr OBrien said.
http://www.newstalk.com/Alan-Kelly-worried-about-sinister-fringe-
among-Irish-Water-protests
Poll Results:
S IT
HAPPENED: TENS OF THOUSANDS
PROTEST AGAINST WATER CHARGES
We followed the demonstrations as they took place around the
country.
SATURDAY 1ST OF NOV 2014
11:02AM 1 NOV 14
Will you be attending a protest? Thats what were
asking in todays poll. Heres the reaction so far:
http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-water-protests-liveblog-
1756926-Nov2014/
These are the most nationwide protests that we have seen in the recent history of
the State, he said.
His claim about tomorrows marches came as former minister Pat Rabbitte TD
claimed that the public mood is being exploited by those opposed to water
charges.
Rabbitte compared the objections to the utility to the objections to bin charges,
something he says was detrimental to the service in the long run.
People are very apprehensive after six years of hardship. They are tired of
charges and that mood is being exploited by the same people who gave you the
anti-bin charges protests, Rabbitte said. And remember where the anti-bin
charges protests led to it led the privatisation of the bin services and it led to
people not being able to pay.
So, there is no danger, its an entire red herring about privatisation of
water services. There wont be any privatisation of water services. No
government with its head screwed on would seek to privatise
something as critical as the water supply.
Rabbitte said that in some parts of the country water services are derelict and
that the water is not fit to drink. These issues, he said, need up to 1 billion a
year for the next ten years to fix.
The State doesnt have the 1 billion, so the reason it set up a new company in
public ownership to treat and supply water is that that new company will be able
to go the markets to borrow the investment that is necessary to give us a water
system thats fit for purpose, he argued.
Asked what mistakes have been made in the establishment of Irish Water,
Rabbitte said that the Government had been under constant pressure from the
Troika to set up the utility in two years while similar systems in Europe took three
to five years to establish.
But Boyd Barrett said that Rabbitte was being entirely disingenuous.
I met the Troika, Im on the the finance committee, the Troika made it
absolutely clear that we could switch one measure for another as long
as it brought it the same money so theyd have no problem if wed
brought in a wealth tax and not water charges, he said.
He gave the example of a Financial Transaction Tax in Ireland which could raise
up to 100m asking: Which is fairer, a 0.1% tax on financial speculation or
hundreds and hundreds of euro on the backs of ordinary people?
The protests are kicking off at a range of different times according to
Right2Water, some began at 11am, while others wont begin until
2pm.