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THIS IS ART! JELLO IS FREE!

By Ruth Schwartz

The reality of the courtroom, the reality of the

legal system is not like any other reality anywhere
or for anyone . It is still incredible to me that these
officers of the court train in this reality for so many
years. I think that all of us who walked in there
blind, with a sense of justice and anger over this disruption of
our lives and liberty learned a big lesson in logic, law, and
reason.
When we started this trial (continued inside)

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 cams within the scene, worthy of attention? you? Its a tiny little box about 3 by 5 inches, not
Most people would agree, that as a species, a "suite" . Fuck that.)
man's remaining biological urges stem from the The ERMICO strike is far from over yet.
will to survive . Apart from this basic survival urge (ERMICO is the foundry where Independent,
which enlists systemic reactions, harnessing Thunder and Venture trucks are made ; ERMICO
adrenergic responses enabling fight or flight, is owned by Fausto and Eric who also own
when our bodies need nourishment and replen- THRASHER mag) Back then, they were starting
ishment, we become hungry and thirsty : we eat to talk about rehiring workers and making it less
and drink ; when we are in need of rest and repair, dangerous to work there, and it all sounded cool.
we become tired : we sleep . The survival of the BUT : the tuckers rehired only a few workers,
species needs be ensured, we sense sexual THEN hired about 40 Thai and/or Vietnamese
urges : we tuck . This is how it works, gang, on the workers to replace the mostly El Salvadorean
most fundamental biological level. workers who were striking and "causing all the
Man functions on other levels as well, how- trouble".
ever, and because of a built in fail-safe mecha- What's bad about that is this : many of the
nism to see to it we heed these biological urges, Viet & Thai workers they hired don't understand
there is an accompanying pleasurable sensation workers issues in the U . S . that well, never mind
attractive to the organism . Thus man enjoys the speak or understand much English, and besides,
Dear Maximum RnR and Readers, dubious distinction of being able to subvert bio- they are in a really shitty position themselves, and
Is it me, or does Mykel Board resemble Paul logical urges into the psychological urge for are sometimes more desperate for income than
Simon (the famed 60's folk singer)? I say they are pleasurable sensation in varying degrees along a the Hispanic workers, who at least have the
the same person . Here's my proof : A) They are contiuum, the extreme being obsessive-compul- Hispanic community here in SF to support them.
both from New York ; B) They both have receding sive behavior : gluttony, nymphomania, satyro- If Fausto and Eric did this on purpose (looks
hairlines (too many long nights with Art?) ; C) they mania, persons constantly placing themselves in like they did) then they pitted the Hispanic com-
are both extremely short ; D) Both appear to be of situations of high risk and grave danger to stimu- munity against the Vietnamese & Thai commu-
semitic heritage ; D) Neither can sing . . . in tune ; E) late adrenalin rushes. nity . Cool huh? On top of that, it's all a bunch of
They have a preoccupation with baseball i .e . the O .K . . . So what? Well, the prevailing argu- shit anyways, cuz the S .F . city supervisors voted
Yankees ; and F) When Artless was supposedly ment amongst opponents of same-sex relation- to allow the navy to move in an active navy base
in Europe on tour so was Paul with his band. ships, the one which seems to hold the most and nuclear warships starting with the Missouri,
Hmmn . Think about it . If anyone can offer any water, is that homosexuality is unnatural — it so ERMICO and Thrasher will have to move out
proof to the contrary I'd be happy to know of it . Oh subverts the natural order . Sorry folks ; the only of Hunters Point anyways . (There's 175 or so
Paul, er Mykel, I loved the new record, is it true sex that is natural is that done to propogate the small businesses in the Hunters Pt . Shipyard that
about you and G .G .? Finally for those species - sex with procreation as the end - if are all gonna go cuz the navy wants their land
who want to know, DISINFECT has a new ad- you're not intending to make babies - if you take back .) So it's another case of make as much as
dress, it being : DISINFECT/ Norman Bates/ 45 precautions to insure fertilizaton does not occur, you can, fuck everybody, then go somewhere
Abbot Hall MSU/ East Lansing, MI 48824 . Write 'tain't natural. else .
anytime! Thanks a lot, sincerely, Norman Bates And if you're subverting the natural order in AND SO : it ain't over yet . A boycott of
P .S . G .G . Allin is really Placido Domingo, search of pleasure, what's the difference if you do ERMICO products is getting started again . Don't
more later . .. it with someone of the same or of the opposite buy their shit . THRASHER mag is OK ; those guys
sex? It's just varying degrees of the same com- skate and are pretty cool, even though the
Dear MRR and everyone else out there, including pulsion along the continuum, and nothing to hate ERMICO guys own it . (They even helped us with
U Mykel; or fear in another nor against which to discrimi- stuff in City Hall over skate law in S . F .) Contact
Mykel Board's column in MRR#51 was at nate, especially in light of varying degrees of the Moulders Union for more details.
least slightly interesting, and possibly accurate, compulsion our society reveres and holds as And thanks to all the Shred Locals who're
but consider this . .. ideals. doing good stuff all over, like Johnnie who did the
Way back when in our not so distant past Furthermore as a supposed alternative to Chicago scene report for MRR, and also to
society was entirely dominated by male ego, society-at-large, with the misfits, outcasts and Spikes Skates and Kathy Boitusch in Phila PA.
ideas, thoughts, masturbations, stupidities and exiles who make up our ranks, we of all peoples Shawn says Hi . We're slowly getting things done,
all falling into that ilk . And then women finally should be at the very least, tolerant of differences like raising $$$ for the 3rd zine, havin' T-shirts
started coming into their own (not literally, Mykel) in lifestyles . but alas, we tend to become like the printed for fun and $ and all that.
and had the freedom to spit out their own ideas, worst in those we oppose. MORE : Computer bulletin boards . They're
thoughts, masturbations etc . But the question is, Living in Minneapolis, the "Land of 10,000 not just for "hacking" and "phreaking" and all that
did they? Were (are) their 'creativities' actually Lakes, takes and fags," there is much in the stuff, but for human COMMUNICATION . Com-
their own, or only an effort to mimic male con- stereotypical gay lifestyle I find repellant . But puters are one of the most anarchic technological
cepts ; after all, male concepts were all that was stereotypes are extreme along the behavioral tools the world has ever seen, right under our
known . This is where it may all lie. spectrum, and gays exist throughout the entire noses . There are at least 500 in the SF Bay Area
Maybe we see a ma ority of males dominat- range of this spectrum . It is unfortunate when any alone, and they're hard to find cuz they are totally
ing art and etc . because the females are trying to individual chooses to focus his entire life's energy unorganized and unregulated . (It's too big a thing
copy male ideals, and not being male, naturally on any aspect which doesn't merit this focus, i .e. to cover in a letter .) There's even punk boards
don't do it as well . Before some closeminded sexual orientation . It is even more unfortunate too, and anything else you'd ever want . Some of
idiots climb all over my back, I'm not saying that that the vast submerged portion of the iceberg the people who run them are closet fascists and
women are too stupid to 'beat out' the men in this feel compelled to live lies : closeted or double- want your real name, phone number, blood type,
world, I am saying maybe (by no fault of theirs) lives for fear of being grouped with extremes . But favorite color, etc and some are really cool.
women just need to express themselves in a their fear is very real and very justified in most Try ours : ch@os, (415)-882-9835 . It's for
more female way . Many women were socialized scenes and most cities. anarchist skater vegetarian radical-faerie
around male concepts etc, so naturally at- Gary Hemp in the May'87 issue ; K .F . in the techno-punks from hell, and their friends . What-
tempted to reflect those concepts when the August '87 issue : neither of you included ad- ever that means. Fake names encouraged, and
chance came . . . after all, mankind can only depict dresses in your respective letters . I'm including there's some stuff on issues of privacy and such
what he/she already knows and nothing else . The mine in hopes both of you will write, and anyone that most other BBSs (bulletin boards) don't
fact that women are not men naturally makes else who isn't about to let peer pressure or rules wanna bother to deal with . (Maybe cuz its boring.
them poorer at it. Maybe women are just uncon- and expectations of social conformity determine Until its too late that is . . .) Not many programs, no
ciously reflecting male ideas and are powered out their partners with whom they choose to be games, no hacking . (Boring) It's a bit wierded out
accordingly . Could it be that women need to intimate. cuz I've been so busy and ignoring it, but that will
develop a feminine attitude toward expression, Tesco Vee said, "I'm not gay . I'm not change shortly, especially if people start calling.
and thus, being female, would be the best at it? straight, I'm not Bi - I'm TRI — I'll try anything!" EVEN MORE : I told Tim I'd do this, and I
I'm not saying we need female revolution, This is an irresponsible attitude to be sure, espe- haven't (totally) flaked : there is now tree over-
but a new concept of female attitude possibly. cially in light of AIDS ; but it is closer to what the seas electronic mail for computer bulletin board
Just a thought. prevailing punk attitude should be, rather than users . It runs from Portland OR to Australia, then
Quad/ 2930 Pomeroy Dr./ Louisville, KY/ 10218 "Kill the fucking faggots ." to Europe and back again . (I didn't say it was
Teg/ 4338 43rd Ave So ./ Minneapolis, MN 55406 efficient .) And it's all non-official and un-official.
Dear MRR, And tree . I wouldn't call it "punk", but the people
I have been noticing with more than passing Yo MR&R. involved are cool, and not into the usual power
interest, an increase in the number of letters from This was gonna be a nice short letter be- trips . We are all welcome there . (Yes, there really
readers of a gay orientation who are choosing to cause I'm in such a hurry, but fuck it . Too much to are technically sophisticated and socially aware
use MRR as a forum in which to delineate their say . people in the world .) In the mean time . . . we need
issues and concerns . Does this seeming trend First, in the article in MR& R #49 the Shred of to find people in the usual places in Europe and
reflect an increase in the number of letters you Dignity Skaters' Union address is wrong . It North America that have access to bulletin
receive regarding these issues and concerns, or should be : 370 Turk, Suite 227/ San Francisco boards and particularly Fido boards so's we can
does it reflect a newfound willingness on the part CA 94102 . Not "Turn" St . We've been getting mail send stuff around. Even without the OR to AUS to
of MRR to recognize these as legitimate con- OK though . (Suite : wow, doesn't that impress EUR thing it's all in place . I'll have more on this
 subject later. of California with proposition 64, but he was This just came out after the Oliver North
AW SHIT NOT MORE : And yes there are defeated by a margin of 2 to 1 . To assume that hearings and kids are going ape over it. The
gay punks, but it sure seems like there aren't AIDS is a 'gay disease' always was, and still is, an enemy, in the video, is called the RED FALCON
some times . Growing up gay for me wasn't much ignorant thought . Although the first two individu- ORGANIZATION . The first word that got my
fun ; all I found was this mindless disco bunny als identified with AIDS in Los Angeles were attention was the word RED . In other words RED
clothes-horse shit, and that definitely wasn't for homosexual men, it is not a disease which is = COMMUNIST . Speaking of the latter, that word
me . I had friends, went to discos, but because I confined by race, religion, sex, or sexual orienta- is used a lot as part of the media hype . Shit, I've
couldn't see any alternative, not because I liked tion . The media and our government are guilty of ehard and read horror stories of the contras.
it . I had/have `straight" friends, but I just didn't labeling AIDS as the 'gay disease', now we must Everything from destroying homes, clinics and
have it together enough to speak out when call upon these institutions to help in the fight schools to raping and murdering civilians . For
people yelled "faggot" or whatever ; it's still kick- against this horrible killer . Once the U . S . Gov- what? I can't believe it that the kids are blind and
ing hard now, and now I'm a loudmouth and ernment realizes that they must play an active misinformed to the real facts.
everything . Who could expect anyone just out of part in the campaign, then this country will see an Well, here's the Contra game - call 1-800-
high school to take on the world on their attitude accelerated end to this disease. 592-1000 . Ya know? Like Jerry Falwell, Jimmy
towards sexuality? Shit, I'm still figuring it out at In order for this country to combat AIDS, Swaggart, and the like, call up and disconnect
32!I don't pick my friends by 'gay" or "straight" everyone must be educated about all aspects when someone answers. Or you can aggravate
first, but not everyone is cool, what can you do? related to this disease . AIDS education must the person on the other end . Whatever turns you
I'm lucky to have great people to live with, gay and encompass such areas as : high risk practices on . 1-800-592-1000 . Keep those phones ringing)
stra ht, and we're looking for a woman to make and 'safer-sex' methods ; the responsibilities of Waste their time and money to prevent them from
a fifth person here. those who have AIDS or are HIV carriers ; where keeping up the Contra Aid, and to stop them from
So yeah, it starts small . . . it gets easier and AIDS related organizations are located, and the keeping a steady mercenary army that keeps on
easier the more people who come out in the punk services these groups offer ; and we must insure killing innocent people . Remember, 1-800-592-
world . I'm not involved in clubs etc that much, but that compassion is not lost for those who are 1000 . Enjoy!
it's the only part of the world I've ever felt part of, affected by this disease - including victims, family P .S . To Dave Stein - you may find these
felt that sense of community . Even though in members, friends, and sexual partners. games (Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggart, etc . ..
most of it I'm not "out", and don't have a boyfnend, High risk practices are those practices now the Contras) childish and ridiculous, but two
socially, politically and every other part of me which endanger an individual in regards to be- people close to me became involved with the
feels closest to the "punk" world, whatever that coming HIV positive and/or possibly becoming Plain Truth and changed dramatically . It just
might be . But still, you go into a punk or HC show an AIDS victim . We must be sure that people shows how religion can brainwash people within
where everyone's talking about oppression and comprehend all high risk practices - sexual and a short period of time . I find nothing funny about
discrimination, and you hear you faggot!" (etc) non-sexual . In addition, 'safer-sex' methods it whatsoever . If you don't like this game, don't
and people wonder why there's no gay punks . should be included in the AIDS education proc- play . Furthermore, if I pissed you off by this, that's
We're here but . .. ess . The term 'safer-sex' is used, as there are no tough shit! Later, J .C.
And someone wrote in MR&R #51? I forget, 100% 'safe-sex' methods . Abstinence is the 01y
that thereis no gay/straight ; it is a continuum from 100% safe practice known at this time ; but it is Maximum Rock "n" Reds,
one end to the other. I agree completely, but the impossible to expect humans not to have sex, as I've noticed that no skins have written in to
fact is that in the many worlds that make up the we are quite physical and sexual beings . The this shitpile in at least a year (or maybe you
one weal) consider the "real world", gay & straight term 'safe-sex' as Representative Dannemeyer censored their letters?) so I've decided to de-
ARE different because THEY MAKE IT THAT (CA) refers to in his proposed legislation and nounce you and your mockery of democracy.
WAY . And that creeps into everything, like it or various correspondence, deceives the You believe in freedom for all who think the same
not . I can be anything I want, but I have to at least uninformed individual ; the term 'safer-sex' must as yourselves, much the same as Khomeini,
keep in mind that others can be threatened by it, be emphasized, as these are practices which are Khaddafi, Stalin, and other "humanitarians" . Who
and may threaten me in return . I don't bother to safer than the usual sexual practices we are the fuck are you to condemn Skrewdriver, a band
set in complex theoretical arguments over it, fuck accustomed to, yet they are not 100% safe. that has been around since the Sex Pistols &
it, get out in the world and live it ; put your ass on There are many sexual experiences which can hasn't sold out or changed their message, in spite
the line and it's a little different. be just as satisfying as the usual experiences, of daily police harassment, death threats from
MORE BURNING QUESTIONS : Every pit they will also be healthier for our bodies . Individu- European Communist organizations, physical
I've ever been in goes counter clockwise . I'm still als who have AIDS and those who show to be attacks from immigrants, and prison sentences?
waiting to hear from people in England which way seropositive to the AIDS virus (HIV), must be Nobody . What punk/HC bands can make the
theirs goes . Doesn't Hong Kong drive on the educated about their responsibilities in protecting same claim? Crass? MDC? OK's? Wrong again
`other" side too? It really is an interesting thing, other people and themselves . These three areas faggots . Oh, yeah, and you won't see Ian Stuart
why would it be so consistent? Mammilian inner of AIDS education should go hand-in-hand, as on MTV, either.
ear construction? So you can push & grab the these aspects work together in achieving a posi- In conclusion, I'd like to say that everythingQ~
crowd wall with your right hand? tive result in 'safer-sex'. you stand for is a load of trendy bullshit . You'II
Is there any word on what that German guy All individuals in our communities should probably have some smartass comments (that
really meant to do when he landed his plane in know where AIDS related organizations are lo- you've had a month to think about) to say about
Red Square? I thought I'd see something in cated, and the services these groups offer. this letter, so instead of being your greedy Jewish
MR&R, I sure as shit don't trust the American (or Programs which are beneficial to victims, their selves, splurge on a 220 stamp like I did, and
Russian orany) press to tell me what's happening needs, and those who are indirectly affected by write to me personally, instead of printing one of
with this one . Any first (or 2nd) hand news? We this disease must know where help can be found. your sickening editorial responses . And in case
could sure use a positive example these days. Society must not lose sight of the importance you're wondering why I read your magazines, it's
What's the story on punks and Green poli- compassion plays in the fight against AIDS. merely to keep up with the latest whinings about
tics?Anything here in the U . S .? I read some stuff Supporting victims and all those affected by AIDS "skinhead oppression" and to read Mike Board's
in Utne Reader, was wondering . . . I better go this will help strengthen the spirits of these individu- articles.
is awfully long . Keep living loving and working at als . These people, with the display of compas- Erc/ Rochester, NY 14604.
it . .. sion from others, will feel as though they are not P .S . : And don't try to say that you don't
Tom Jennings/ 164 Shipley/ San Francisco CA alone . Once assistance is known to exist, these censor, because I wrote to you AIDS-carriers
94107 individuals will seek help from the service organi- before and you never printed my letter.
zations an other individuals . People will realize
Dear MRR: that there is help, and that hiding 'underground' Eric,
This is in response to Bill Hall's article on would not be an excusable option. No real smart responses here, but just
AIDS in MRR issue #49, June 1987 . The article This country must emphasize the idea of wanted to print this letter to exemplify why we
was very truthful in what it stated about govern- educating all people about AIDS . The United usually don't print letters from nazi skins. Tim
ment assistance (or the lack there of) in fighting States has always been proud of our education,
AIDS. Everyone of us must realize that this intelligence, and ingenuity, now is a time when Mykel dear,
dreaded disease can be effectively destroyed, we must display this pride to ourselves and the Your August column just doesn't standup.
knowing how to do this is the problem many rest of the world . The more educated our society Did you foget that it takes a jaajS to make a
people do not understand. becomes towards the various AIDS issues, the baby?? Even yQi,i
Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome is a faster we can effectively battle this fatal disease. From the womb of . . . Mary
disease which has become a major health prob- Being influenced by irrational or emotional ideas
lem in the United States and throughout the does not play a role in accomplishing this mis- MRR : Welcome to the new age of Punk
world . Congress, the President, State Officials, sion. Rock . The once anti-govt, anti-profit, and anti-
medical authorities, and citizens must work to- Sincerely, Mickey W ./ Arlington, VA authoritarian alternative music has become a
gether to battle this devasting disease . We must racist, sexist , fascist, capitalistic, pro American
notallow conservative thought or actions to inter- Dear MRR, offspring of Cock-rock heavy metal . It's now cool
fere in the fight against AIDS . We must not afford Recently, I saw in a newspaper a new video to sell out — it's the American way, after all we're
emotional individuals the opportunity to scare the game called CONTRA . I was disgusted when I all taught to promote wealth over ethics . With all
population or law makers into any irrational deci- read this because it's just like movies such as the poverty, oppression, and homelessness (not
sions which will prove ineffective in fighting this RAMBO, TOP GUN, and RED DAWN, which to mention America's blatant disregard for
disease . Lyndon LaRouche tried this in the state glorify war and make killing look like fun . blacks, women and Indians) punk rock and leftist
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 spontaneity. For example, the old Punk stuff make them punks? Of course punk is being take an interest in, and talk about, the problems
used to be so exciting because you didn't know yourself, but only if being yourself is being a punk. and the wrongs in this world, maybe this concern
what to expect from it . A performer jumping oft Do you follow me? will mushroom until it actually means something
the stage, shaking you around by the shirt, calling Punk is caring not just for yourself, but for in the 'scene' . Moreover, maybe, just maybe,
you a lazy asshole" is enough to wake anyone the world as a whole. It's also a radical style of even people outside of Punk will take notice and
up. Spontaneity made Punk Rock great . After a dress . I understand that, due to our society we all want to discuss it with their friends . And so on,
while the spontaneity dwindled away because have to work. So when you go to work, put on and so on and. .. well, you get the point.
Punk Rock became too predictable, therefore some pants with no holes, take out your ear/ nose The bottom line of what I'm trying so desper-
boring . The same thing is happening to the HC rings, and lay your hair down . But when you're not ately to explain is that Punk itself means nothing
scene. The HC scene is becoming too predict- working, sport your boots and your earrings . So on its own . What is needed to make it into the
able, everyone knows what to expect from it . It is go on! Sike your hair, take your stand against all movement which it is reputed to be is a renewed
becoming boring because there is nothing new to he wrongs in the world, have fun, and be proud commitment to presenting an alternative to the
create this spontaneity, new in the terms of doing that you are part of the greatest cultural revolution existing society, not a mirror of it. This means a
things different from the norm of the scene. ever, PUNK! I don't know if you'll publish this (I return to addressing societal concerns (and not
What ever happened to the DIY (Do It don't know if I got my point across correctly) but just in lyrics, the elimination of Punk 'rock stars'
Yourself) attitude . Remember when "punks" I hope you do, because it's something I think a lot with their minimum guarantees and their 'living off
spent countless hours making their own clothes of people need to think about. Oh, and to ARWE their art', and an end to the myriad of convenient
to express their individuality . Now a majority of in Mayfield, don't worry . As long as people like us excuses which Punks have been using to justify
the 'punks" I see wear t-shirts with factory prints are around, Punk is NOT dead! Thanx . Anarchy their apathy towards their surroundings, both
probably purchased for $12 from some "punk" and peace . "punk" Chris/ 3969 Maricopa Drive/ inside and outside the 'scene' . It will also require
shop. Why don't the "punks" help the scene they Santa Barbara, CA 93110 a serious change of attitude for a lot of people out
say they belong to . A large portion of the punks P.S. I would appreciate letters from other there who have long since lost track of what Punk
within this scene sit around idly, content to pay $9 punx anywhere, to exchange fliers, pictures, was supposed to be about . If punk is going to be
or more for a show with a few bands and then etc. . . (especially Europe!) so please write, any- a business, then let's admit that and let down to
complain afterwards that they've been ripped off one. the proper marketing of it . But if it's going to be an
because they paid too much, the bands sucked or alternative, then let's make it one that really
didn't show up . Or even worse, they didn't An Open Letter To All Punks: counts below the surface . For, if we don't make
complain at all and accepted this as the way the I've sat on my can and brooded like some this choice soon, someone else will make it for us
"scene" should be . If you find yourself in this damn politician over this thing for long enough. later.
situation, do something about it, organize your There is a rapidly growing threat to the vitality and Steve Beaumont/ 93 Russett Ave/ Toronto, On-
own shows or get a few friends together and start integrity of the so-called Punk movement and it's tario, Can M6H 3M4
a band . If you feel that your scene needs a better time someone addressed it! What is the worst
way to transfer information, like shows, protests, thing about this threat is that it comes not from the Dear MRR
whatever, make fliers or publish a fanzine. If you PMRC, Ronny Raygun, or Nazi skinheads, but I just want to say 2 things . I went to
think a lot of the records out now suck, find bends from our very selves . Furthermore, this challenge Murphreesboro TN a couple of weeks ago to an
that you like and start your own independent is so subtle, so insidious, and so discreet that I Anti Klan Rally. What I saw sickened and dis-
label . Don't sit around expecting others to do stuff know a lot of you probably haven't even noticed mayed me . There were 10-yr-olds wearing full
for you, get out and do something that you like to it yet. However, before I go on about this strange Klan garb and proud parents waving confederate
do to help out, whether you are happy or not with and terrible spectre which I have conjured up, let flags . In their eyes was an ignorant defiance to all
the scene. Just imagine if everyone did a little me first review some of what I feel has always the protesters chanting at them . To top it all off
something to help out, think of all the great bands, been a major theme of Punk. marching with them was a skin with rolled up
shows, fanzines, etc ., that would result from this Certainly everyone reading this has their levi's and cherry red Doc's . I felt like crying or
situation. own personal definition of exactly what consti- fighting . The emotions just welled up as I watch
I'm not writing this letter to preach to you by tutes this thing we call Punk, and it would be these pathetically ignorant people march by . I
saying that this what you have to do, I just wish incredibly presumptuous of me to attempt to hope people realize that the Klan is real and the
you would view these suggestions with an open present a conclusive definition of 'The Meaning sickening disease of racism is still alive, not just
mind and consider the possibilities . Remember, of Punk". Even so, though, there are certain with the Klan but with rich yuppies as well . It's
what we belong to is an alternative, we have no elements of Punk which I believe almost every- everywhere so fight it . Seeing the Klan really
limitions, no boundaries, no standards . We can one would agree upon . One of these aspects - opened my eyes.
do whatever we want . What we have here has and, now that I think about it, perhaps the only Next I want to talk about Punk . Not just the
potential, so let's create something exciting in- aspect - is rebellion . Everyone who gets involved music but the individuals who make it up . KFor
stead of letting it be sucked under by the mighty in Punk is usually prompted by some form of me it's 3 years of my life I love . I still get a kick out
toilet bowl of society . I"don't mean to sound rebellion, be it against parents, authorities, or the of seeing a person with a mohawk . But it's more
negative, but something needs to be done to whole system itself . In fact, even those who may than that. It's an attitude. It says that something
create a scene that we all can be very proud of. not be motivated by direct rebellion will be seen here is just not right . It's an alternative way of
Although some of the things I mentioned above as rebellious via their association with other living . Punks may not change society but they
do exist with us today, you have to look very Punks . Thus, rebellion assumes an undeniable stand as glaring examples of people who don't fit
carefully to find them, therefore, I would like to role in Punk, so now what? Well, this is exactly in. It makes people uncomfortable and threatens
thank the people who exercise these to keep the where the current problem lies, punk is fast their neat rank and file existence . Sure some
scene vibrant . While I have found that many becoming about as rebellious as Pat Boone! change and go their separate ways . But I'm
people agree with what I have mentioned, there Now you're thinking °Wait a minute, has this amazed at all the little ones that crop up and carry
are probably many others that don't agree with guy lost his mind? I'm as much of a rebel as I've on the movement . I feel good today to know that
me. If you don't agree or have further sugges- ever been!' And I say to you that this is all part of tho I may sell out some kids will take my place,
tions write me or to Max Rn R . Thanx for your time the problem . Attending Punk gigs regularly, read- who dyes his hair and says I'm not going to take
and let's change the world together. ing your monthly MRR and sneering at people on this shit any more . I wish I could define it but I'm
Brian Damage/ Daily Survival Zine/ POB 3144/ El this subway when they look at you funny do not glad that punk is still around.
Macero CA, 95618 constitute being a rebel . Nor does skating down Herb Rieth/ 837 Kendall Dr/ Nashville, TN 37209
the sidewalk scaring the hell out of pedestrians or P.S. Punk's t& Dead
Dear MRR and readers: refusing a drink because you want to stay P.P.S. For Die Vixers EP's send $2 to the
I would like to address a train of thought that "straight and alert" . The burden of true rebellion is above address.
has existed in the past, but is currently enjoying much heavier than that, it involves a responsibil-
an explosion in a lot of scenes . It's this notion of ity to be critical of your environment at all times. Dear MRR:
being "yourself" . I've been reading letters from a When was the last time you paused to ponder on For all you people who are into playing the
lot of people, and interviews with bands recently, the pathetic state of the world today? How long Falwell game, here's another right-winged reli-
that punk is just "being yourself" . This is a bunch has it been since you sat down and considered gious group you can call up. Herald of Truth (1-
of bullshit! I mean, I'm sitting in class, listening to the fact that the largest power in the Western 800-672-2800). Ask them for the free tape
these three guys with long hair, pentogram neck- Hemisphere is being run by a government that is "Amazing Grace" (great for recording over) and
laces and S.O.D. shirts talking about hte latest riddled with corruption? Has it even occured to the book "Can I Be Forgiven .' Order as many
Nightmare on Elm Street movie and the part you that in the "land of equal opportunity", the vast times as you want (1 for all your friends too!).
where this Freddy guy says "hey, let's get high" majority of the available wealth is controlled by a Remember, these religious fanatics threaten our
and I say "yeah, that was neat ." very small minority? These are all things which way of life (maybe life itself?) by supporting and
Soon, this conversation dies down, so I say should be of profound concern to everybody, yet advocating that freedom of press and freedom of
"Hey, what do you think of 011ie North?" One guy they aren't even considered by most of us "reb- speech be disposed of . Of it doesn't fit their own
says "I don't know," another says 'who cares" and els". Pigeon-holed ideas) . They support politicians
the third says "that dude's bad, he's got balls! He So now the question arises as to what one like Sen. Sam Nunn (D), who is head of the
made those senator dudes look so stupid!" The erson can do, and the answer is not a Hell of a Senate Armed Services Committee . Well, of
conversation soon turns to Camaros, so I leave. Pot . However, as a gent by the name of Arlo Sam thinks "It was a mistake to abolish the draft"
Here's three people who live for right-wing poli- Guthrie pointed out some twenty years ago, if and wants Congress to consider "some type of
tics, fast-ugly cars, women with big tits and enough people start doing something it can compulsory service ." Seems 18-20-year-old
Marlboros. They're being themselves . Does that become a true movement . Thus, if you start to recruits are few and not where they used to be
 and maybe of Sam thinks he can put the fear of from Ax/ction records . I've ordered lots of stuff subdivisions called "plantations" . Unlike the his-
God in us when we march off to boot camp . Plus, from Ax/ction in the past and I've always been toric southern plantations there are few black folk
with the '88 elections comin' up, he probably very satisfied with the music I received and the to be seen ( with only a little menial labor to be
wants to make the democrats look just like some service those guys give . They always enclose a done , as compared with the historic model , most
war-monger Republicans (which they already note thanking me for the order and usually throw could be dispensed with) . If there should be any
are) . If you're reading this and saying "who gives in a bunch of flyers, art, Garbage Pail Kids stick- question as to who is welcome and who is not ,
a fuck," well, you'll probably start givin' a fuck if ers and stuff like that . So the Ax/ction guys are there is a guard gate at the entrance to each one.
you're some corporate meat-puppet down in great as far as I can tell and I don't want to slag There are two major types of people that are
'Central America . So, give a fuck now—get off them ppeersonally! attracted to this place (very few people , like
your asses and out on the streets and demon- Anyways, they sent me the Too Cool For myself , grew up here) . The first is the retiree who
strate. It'll be a lot easier reaching Sen . Nunn jRock+Roll LP by the Impotent Sea Snakes today. has come to this wonderful place to die . They clog
here, than down in Nicarauga. Fuck the sys- While listening to it I discovered that it contained up the roads and run the government even
item—they can't have me. the most imbecilic, vacuous, racist bullshit I've though they are a minority . The second are the
Jeff Arnold/ U-347/ D-19395/ P .O . Box 2000/ ever had the misfortune of hearing . I won't elabo- hedonists who sit there ass on the beach and
Vacaville, CA 95696 rate further as the enclosed lyrics speak for their don't care . Savannah , an hour away , is a little
own retardation. better because it is not an elephant's graveyard.
Dear MRR, I'd really like to know why a cool company It is run by the traditional southern 'old boy'
Dean Tetreault is 20 years old an lives in like Ax/ction would distribute shit like this! I network and has the same police force mentality
Middleboro, Mass ., a town of 18,000 located honestly don't think they share the racial views of that is common on the south.
roughly between Boston and Providence, R .I .. this band, but fuck, when you distribute their There are few shows so Al Hurde, Mark
For the past 3 years Dean has self-published and racist shit for them you consent to it! Ax/ction 'Lumpy' Sherwood and myself are throwing
distributed collections of his writings and clip art guys : why help assholes like the Impotent Sea shows . The last one ( the second in a year) was
among his friends and along alternative chan- Snakes when you're in a position where you can Government Issue and Vacant Lot . C .O.C. were
nels . His work has seen print in an assortment of hurt them? supposed to show up but they had a fuck up with
publications including Suburban VoLcQ, Complex Please don't support the Impotent Sea their booking agent . It was held at the American
, Nightmares of Reason and Alternative Snakes! They are obviously moronic assholes Legion Hall . The Legionnaires were 500% cooler
Fiction and Poet(v . Occasionally reminiscent of who embody the bad aspects of our world! If you than I expected them to be .They thought that the
the works of Henry Rollins and Steve Albini (Big are just dying to hear the album, don't send them fucked up hair and makeup `was a hoot" . Nothing
Black), at his best Dean brings forth powerful and your money, send me a tape comprende? got broken thanks to the skinhead (left skin)
distruing imagery from subconscious depths Buy some of Ax/ctions great stuff! and when security force, so we can use the hall again . We
which many people would prefer not to acknowl- you do, ask them to drop shit like Too Cool For lost some money but not enough to cry about ,
edge within themselves. ock+Rollt Peace/Love/Equality, besides I had fun.
On July 7th 1987 Dean was visited at home Tim Boelter/ 75 Woodacre Dr. / Carmel, IN 46032 The point (and isn't it about time this letter
by Detective Gerald Thayer of the Middleboro had one) is it you are want to play Savannah ,
Police Department and was warned that he was Missing Link want fliers, or just want to say hi write me . I need
under investigation pending charges of distribut- Abraham Lincoln, what a goddamn fool to know if there are any real people out there ,
ing pornography to minors . The chap-books Let the niggers go free, and now they want to Scott Corkern, Abattoir Productions/ Box 5340/
Faithless and #6/Less Is Better had been brought rule Hilton Head Is, SC 29938
to Detective Thayer's attention by the mother of I never understood it cause it never made
a 16 year old Middleboro youth, who had found sense Touring Bands:
the books in her son's room upon his running Why they drive big cars when they can't pay If you're planning to play the Northern East
away from home. rents Coast, don't skip Worcester . Right now there's
The detective made a great show of disgust Let me tell you, Jesse Jackson, an active community center that I'm doing shows
while leafing through the books in the presence of If they'd have given you that crown at. Soon there could be a club, who knows?
Dean and his parents, who up until that time had Me, mother fucker, would have shot you down Bands that have played include : Uniform
no knowledge of Dean's writings . Detective Choice, Kingface, No FX, Creeps, 76% Uncer-
Thayer stated that Dean would be prosecuted it When you .•gig about niggers, you better make tain, and more . Pay varies with turn-out, but the
his department received another complaint or if it funky average is about $150 for an out-of-state band.
the woman pressed charges . Elsewhere at this But I'll oe damned if I'll serve a monkey Door price is usually around 4 bucks for 3 bands.
time the mother of the runaway youth declared Put the prehistoric man Write for more info—Brett Ackerman/ 2
her intentions to take Dean to court, characteriz- In the garbage can Baypath Dr ./ Boy/ Stow, MA 01505 . Call before
ing him as a "Psychopathic Flesheater" (most We ain't got time for this shit 10 :30 (617) 869-2429.
likely referring to the cover of#6/Less Is Better). As monkey king Jackson made a dent P .S .—If you'd like to know why you
Although Dean was told the police would be But not goddamn president shouldn't eat murdered animals, write.
contacting him "in a day or two", the investigation So let's send the slaves
lasted over a week . Finally, after a meeting be- Back to the caves Dear MRR and Readers:
tween Detective Thayer and Dean's father, Dean Cause the White House needs some wit Just a couple of apologies we owe to
was informed that he would not be prosecuted people . First, we would like to apologize to the
with the condition that he stop distributing his Chorus : They look like shit and stink people in Connecticut, Vermont, Virginia, S.
writings . (Please note : the wording was not "stop They can't sing, talk, or think Carolina, Little Rock and Texas for canoelling our
distributing to minors" but "stop distributing," They resemble baboons shows . We had some problems amongst our-
period . So much for the First Amendment .) So we call them coons selves, problems that we couldn't get worked out
A possible factor in the decision not to Niggers are the missing link on the road . We gsoecially apologize to the ones
prosecute Dean was the extreme lack of credibil- Evolution's answer's on the brink who set up our shows in these places . It's a lot of
ity on the part of the woman who had brought The solution is alive we think work to set up a show, and we really do appreci-
Dean's books to the police . While the investiga- Their smells and shapes ate it! The band j~ still together, and maybe we
tion was going on, the woman confronted an adult Prove they came from the apes can make up those tour dates we missed soon!
friend of the runaway and threatened to "cut (his) Niggers are the missing link Secondly, an apology is due from me for a
dick off with a dull knife" (this from someone who poor generalization I made in the Rockies Scene
called Dean "Psychopathic") . As for the runaway, You say black's beautiful, Report in MRR #51 . I said that all skinheads were
he was committed to a mental institution in well I've done my part "potatoheads" because of the fights they started
absentia by his mother, and has yet to be found I just shit out a work of art at shows . Not all of the skinheads start fights at
as of this writing. Let me tell you what to do shows, and not all people who do start fights are
So in this instance, the prattlings of the Jiggaboo skinheads . What I meant to say is that Anyone
Middleboro police department were so much Make love to my defecation who goes to a show solely to fight is a "pota-
sound and fury, signifying nothing . While Dean Now I really don't hate those Puckers tohead" - to put it very mildly.
Ftas no intention of giving up writing, his future Every home should own a spear chucker I hope this clears things up . Peace,
publications will bear a disclaimer stating not So let's take those jerks Kevin Vulture/ Dead Silence/ P .O . Box 7206/
intended for minors" or words to that effect. And make them work Boulder, CO 80306.
Dean's next project will be a professionally bound Cause they're leaching off our nation P .S .—Thanks to all of you who helped us on
collection with the tentative title of Blade Barrier, Chorus tour - putting on shows, putting us up, or putting
to be released by Primal Publishing in early 1988. up with us! We'll go into more detail in our next
Information on this and other writings by Dean Hello MRR, release.
can be had by writing to Dean Tetreault/ 7-1/2 I am writing to you in hopes of giving some
West St/ Middleboro, MA 02346. shows for the small scene here on the coast of Dear MRR,
Thanks, Larry Boyd, and Heidi Manzer/ South Carolina/Georgia .l live on Hilton Head Just a note to ask if you could print the
SubVox Information Network Island . To give you an idea of the mentality of the following names . We would appreciate it if the
place in which I live, picture a placed designed as following people would contact Alternative Ten-
Dear M .R .R . readers, a hedonist utopia for the suburban upper middle tacles Records/ P .O. Box 11458/ S . F ., CA 94101:
This letter pertains to an LP which I ordered class . The place is built around commercial Margaret Johnson, Michael Cicchi, Mandingo
Scuzbay, Stan Wabik, Greg Wright, Luis Tames, variety of pulp reading in the individual zine . (As the stage when i:sal hardcore bands like Token
Mary Albanese, Doug Coron, Robert Geffany, a matter of fact, right now I am looking for zine En.li or Damage take the stage . These kids kick,
Matt Ritchert, Eric Jurasas, Leon Barba, Mike editors to trade volume copies with me so that I punch, and vulgarly shove us whhen we're get-
Lewis, Joseph Kennedy, Alex & Carolyn, Sarah can get enough volume printing discounts to ting into the music and slamming the data way.
in San Diego, Brad Bennet, Luis Aranibar, Steve keep the unit price low . Anyone who is interested Dan, face-it, L'Amour & the Ritz (sometimes) are
Bryan, Brian Byrne, Mike Neville, Chris Lawson. can write me and suggest a dollar value). now nothing but "football" games!! It does not
Thanks much, little rosebuds . ATR I'm sure there are a bunch of you who are matter how great your lyrics are, because for over
thinking that this service will probably undermine a year these jerkoffs have been totally exploiting
Dear MRR, the "do it yourself" theory of hardcoredom . To an the N .Y. sceneyjgkilling each other at shows and
I am writing this letter to tell you (and your extent it will, but then again, another great theory writing "MOSH HARD" under their Twisted Sister
readers) about a recent mail-order experience I of punk stresses the importance of communica- Patches . What's this 'world" coming to?
had . On January 5th, 1987, I ordered PEACH OF tion . I suppose that there are tradeoffs in all walks Nick The Yak/ 27 Hillcrest St/ Staten Island, NY
IMMORTALITY's REM Is Air Simply LP . Shortly of life . However, in order to prevent poseur types 10308
afterwards (a month?), I received a card saying from saying something like 'hey, I'll just mail
that my order would be delayed due to the reor- some articles form this old,'defunct zine to this Dear MRR:
ganization of the record label (Adult Contempo- guy and rake in some new stuff to crank out my I'm writing in response to the response to
rary Records) on computer . And so I waited. . . and own zine with," I'm going to have to insist that all the interview with Bulimia Banquet in issue #50.
waited . . . and waited some more. Finally, I de- submitted material is onginal . There's no way I To begin with, the opinions formulated in the
cided to write them back and ask what was can enforce this, but then again, I wouldn't want interview were not expressly the opinions of the
happening with my order (unfortunately, I can't to be able to either . Another step that I will take entire band . S.O .D . and even the Mentors just
remember the exact date I wrote them back, but to keep apathetic slackers form using/abusing happen to be bands I like to listen to and jam out
it was a few months after I'd received the card). this info swap meet, is that I will not accept taped to . But what's the deal? Again, and in particular,
Again, I waited for a reply . . . and waited, etc. interviews . Anyone who sends me a tape to get our friend here, Robert Rios, is missing the point.
So, I sent them a final letter on June 30th a written interview in return is not really printing Though the Mentors sport a chauvinistic, sick
(after a six month wait) saying that if I didn't get a their zine out of love for punk and is more inter- and macho attitude towards women, they are
reply from them within 4 weeks (sufficient time to ested in escaping the chore of transcribing . All great musicians . The only sickos I see taking
reply), I was going to write to every fanzine I could interviews must be transcribed and typed so that them seriously (lyric-wise) are their pseudo-nazi
think of that would print a letter like this one . Well, 1 can read them . This may seem like a pain to do, fans, of which they don't even understand.
it's been five weeks since I sent out that letter, but you will get a piece of typed, legible work in S .O .D. was a project of which a multi-talented
and still no reply . I hope this letter (if printed) will return . In short : give into the pool what you want bunch of guys got together to see how much
cause them to sit up and reply, either to me to take out of itl power and ultimate grunge one could compress
personally or your magazine . I absolutely won't Also, I am going to have to ask that no one onto one slab of vinyl . So why were the lyrics
stand for being ripped off, and I thought I'd let send in art work since it does not photocopy well taken more seriously than any other band?
other people know about this situation, so they and I want to be able to keep a copy in my files so Those guys were probably laughing through it
wouldn't order from Adult Contemporary and that I can mail out pieces more than once. and still are, especially by such responses . But,
make the same mistake I did . Generally, 99% of I want this to be a free service, but unfortu- hey! Do you ever watch Wally George? And hey,
the time I order product through the mail, I get a nately, since postage from the great white north Rios, I'm really glad you're Hispanic and speak
swift reply with no hassles . Mail-order is a great to the U .S . is steep, I'm going to have to ask that English very well, I've found people like you to be
way of receiving records, zines etc . and I strongly users please mail an SASE or stamps, or if you a rarity in our bilingual society . I'm not saying it's
recommend people get into it . It's great getting live in the States (which you probably do), 37 the Hispanics' fault when voting ballots are in
packages in your mailbox! But, once in a while, cents U .S . or 42 cents CDN . Also, please, don't Spanish and English, advertisements, newspa-
you're bound to run into assholes (like the above) mail me originals, keep those for yourself . Till pers, etc . accommodate the non-English speak-
who couldn't care less about their customers and then, stay cynical, stay straight. ing person in such a way, making it easier g to
expect their customers to sit back and not com- Grant Norwood/ 8907 Bay ridge Dr . SW/ Calgary, learn the predominat language . There is no other
plain . Well, I'm complaining and I'd like a reply Alta, CDN T2V 3M9. country in the world that accommodates in this
from Adult Contemporary now . Thanks to you P .S .—This service, incidentally, is called way .
(MRR) if you decide to print this letter . Your help the "Service for Worldwide Amateur Publisher's I think it's funny how you can desegrate
will be greatly appreciated . Yours, Creighton Information Trade," or SWAPIT . Boy, I love bands like C .O .C . from S .O .D . Have you ever lis-
Hoopalo/ 11538-89 St/ Edmonton, Alberta/ T5B anagrams. . . tened to Skrewdriver? I think you should inves-
3T9 Canada tigate the more serious white suprematicst, fas-
Dear MRR, cist lyrics that some other bands have that really
Dear MRR and India Zine Editors In Particular: I know that lots of people who have a lot practice what they preach . They are the scary
I've noticed that recently there has been a more to say than me want to be in your letter ones . ..
real surge of support for zines across the conti- section but please print mine as soon as possible. And if you're hoping for a better future - keep
nent . MRR is devoting more space to zine I need help . I did a stupid thing . 11joined the army. dreamin', unless you're ready to get off your butt
cataloguing and other zines are popping up I'm 20 from Sacramento, CA & I'm not "punk" . I and do something about it.
everywhere . Personally, I think that this new like alternative music - but I don't dress or act Ingrid, Bulimia Banquet/ 320 Maryland #1/ El
wave of enthusiasm in pulp is a good thing and I anything . I'm really scared . I don't really want to Segundo, CA 90245
would like to offer a solution to a problem that all go . Maybe if other people couldwrite me we could
zine editors face : material. all figure a way out of this mess that I got myself Dear Ingrid,
I want to start an information trading service into . My life was real fucked up - so I joined. At a time when there's a resurgence of racist
in my humble suburban abode . Through this Please anybody write me if you can give me any and sexist stupidity in society as a whole, it strikes
service, anyone with a pen and some stamps can ideas, support friendship or anything. me as not too funny at all to see bands who play
get info and material required to produce a quality Sharyl Lindsay/ P .O . Box 876/ Sacramento, CA upon those fears to make it . Perhaps if the
fanzine . The system will work like this : you, as a 95804 MENTORS had the brains to figure out their
zine editor, would take your best piece(s) of work P .S . I'm supposed to leave Dec . 1, 1987 so audience, they might have an inkling as to how
(articles, interviews, stories, etc .) and mail them hurry. sick things really are . Pandering to the lowest
to me with a short blurb telling me where you common denominator, as S.O.D . has done, does
distribute, what type of zine you are running and Dear MRR & Readers, not win my respect. It's especially gruesome to
what sort of information you would like in return. B . Lenin of M .D .L. here . Just a short letter to see white males, those who suffer the least from
When I receive your contribution, I will save it to let you know of our new address . It is : M .D .L ./ society's biases, finding 'humor" in it all . My
re-distribute to someone else at a later date, and Lenin Comps ./ P .O . Box 1562/ Ellensburg, WA thoughts about people like that are similar to a
then mail to you in return a piece that comes as 98926 movie I once saw where this white guy wakes up
close to your description as possible . I will not P .S . Walter, where did you come up with one day and finds himself black . Nothing like that
mail the same piece of into to two different zines 503-1/2 W . Beaver/ State College PA? MRR 51 to change one's "funny" perspective, I'm sure.
in the same distribution area, so it is very impor- As to the U.S. being so "accomodating", I
tant that you list all areas where you are selling Dear MR&R & N .Y . "Peoples", think you'd find countries like Canada, Switzer-
your publication. This letter is in response to the letter Dan land, Belgium, Yugoslavia, China, Russia, etc ., a
Another possible use for this service is in- Lilker from Nuclear Assault had in the April '87 lot more so. They all are multi-lingual countries,
creased circulation . I could try to match two zines issue . I agree with him that not all crossover lyrics where people of differing languages and cultures
in different areas of the continent and they could are worthless shit . In fact, some are very good. are officially recognized and accepted. I think bi-
then mail a certian ppd . cover price value amount But Danny boy, music is just part of it. lingulaism would be especially appropriate in
of zine to each other (i .e., one editor mails $30 of There is no bright side to going to a N .Y. California, Texas, New Mexico and other border
zines to another, and the second mails $30 of his/ show . True, the crossover kids are very rarely states that were indeed initially Spanish speaking
her zines back . This way, there would be no need seen at CBGB's or the Pyramid Club ; But, (before we ripped them off), where even the
to mail money back and forth, everyone would L'Amour in Brooklyn is another story . About once, names of the cities (including yours) are in Span-
just keep the revenue from what they sold . This maybe twice 'per' month they feature 3 hardcore ish, and where there's a huge Spanish-speaking
system of distribution would not only increase the bands with a thrash band headlining . These population to this day. Florida too would fit in
individual zine's circulation, thus keeping the fuckin' crossover kids who think S .O .D, is the only here . It would benefit us all to learn more than one
printing cost low, but would also make for a good hardcore band around should ;;,jay jaj away from tongue. Tim


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COLUMNS
(212) f,71-2t}lo lime support a woman's right t meet the street, or there's a dozen steps to the
Cheese rain1t ti,'ii . I have no idea What their Stand front door.
BOARD is on people's other rights . Many abortion sup- EUt.I N$PiEC Et SOCIETY c/n Dramatis
porters, howet'o'r, have been vocal in supporting Personae Theater T25 East 4 g reet/ New York
pro-censorship greeps like Women Against Port NY 10003 (212) 477-6588, This group was named
nography after a fictional character who had io roll a huge
Lid (Anmeric an Civil Liberties Union)/ rock up and down a series of hills . I ie was happy
132 S est 43 Soon/ New York NY 10036/ (212) when he rolled the reek up, because he could
9449800 —The ACM is usually correct. They anticipate the relief when he got to the top. I ie
takeextremely unpopular stances, defending the was sad on the way down, because he thought of
Remember the firsttime tinu had the crabs? rights of those both on the left and the right, the pain to come on the way back up . This group
At first you thought nwas}ustoneofthemmere against the slings and shots of the mandatories started as a masochist's rights) organization and
and go Itches — but it didn't go, Then you said, and the mobibitiens, But these guys bittern to now encompasses both sadists and masochists.
"Ali well, it must be dry skin . So you spread on have a blind spot when it Iona : to kids, A few They are still narrow, however. They, like too
our freshly bought Lubraderm or A tC L) lotion. years back a 12 years old Russian came to Amer-- many other yrciups are only concerned with
fIt only got worse, Then you decided to look more Ica to visit his aunt and uncle . When it was time Consenting ADULTS . Sorry kilo, no freedom for
closely, spreading the wiry hairs this way and to leave, the kid wanted to stay in America . (I ie yott .
that, said the We cream was better here) His parents F .A,C .T_ (Feminist Anti-Censorship
"Only individual unrelated tiny specks of wanted him to come home . The ACLU sup- Taskforce) e/o Carole S . Vance, 1001!even Ave,
dirt . " you thought. 'Nothing, to worry about ." ported the parents and idea that kids are prop- New York NY 10032 —I've mentioned these
You picked off a few dirt sp. cks" and erty*sort of like luggage that you take along on people before . They are one of the few feminist
flicked them aside, Day by day, the itching got a trip and then bring home . Other than this, groups that is actively opposed to censorship . 1
worse . One day you picked off a dirt speck and though, I can ' t think of another time when the on't know their stand with regards to the other
it moved on your finger . You tried to pry up an, ACLU has been wrongK groups in this list.
other one and it clung tenaciously to vour'mho AMERICANS FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY/ THE FIRST AMENDMENT CENTER FOR
until you scraped it off You crusheciit between P.O . Box 6656/ Silver Sprinp5s MD' (301) 5598- - THE ••v P e • • to nstitute, rt
your thumbnails, leaving the stain of a tiny 2447 .This group hasasits goal 'the maintenance Street, Washington DC 20007, (202) 298-7512.
splotch of your own blood squcercd out of ifs of the separation of .fiuxch and state ." They are The computer has opened up a whole new world
body . fighting the Christianization of America, I have of information access. Now, through the phone
it dawned on you that those unre- no idea of their views on other issues. lines, you can find out information in a quicker
lated harmless tiny specks Of dirt weren't so un- AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION more efficient way than ever before . Computer
related and harmless after all . Nope, you had a T~t lg(. on11l;ty I ic. 6f•77"i bulletin boards have run up likeerectpenises
full-fledged case of the crabs. ast"ir reel cago'v 60611. hsgr :croup' at a peep show . FLIPSIDE and FACTSIEET 5
Yes, you guessed it . I'm waxing metaphori- Is dedicated to preserving the right to read with- both have their own electronic bulletin board
cal again . You see, I think we've got us a serious nut censorship. They don't mention the right to systems. The government is proposing legisla-
case of the crabs, buckaroos. All most of us can look at cfurc, and movies, though. on to monitor the usage of these systems . They
see, however, are individual specks of dirt. AMNES - TNT 'RNATIONAL/ 1 Euston want some of the larger s) stems to report who is
Every little group sear its own rights being Street/ CLcoirntdon Vei • a , - ND--Thisis lookie at what information and when It's :sort
smatthed byte battering rams of "safety," "sot one of the strongest and most important interna- of like Ong a network of private spies . This
curity,"" p ublicwelfarc ' "protection," 'health," tional human rights groups . They seek out and group is trying to fight these and other anti free
andhundreds ofother excuses, Very few see that fight for the release of political prisoners all over electronic access regulation.
the rights of others arebeing smashed at the same the world . They are opposed to torture and FIOM I , CORDING RI TS COALI-
time, In fact, many groups that fight to preserve capital punishment . They are well funded and sa, •t ' .x lI' treet 'sr ash-
their own rtghts simultaneous y oppose the dedicated. But they also have their problems. tog ton DC 20033 --Mists the group that worked
rights of others They take a very narrow view of "Political Pri g- to defeat the tax on blank cassettes. Right now
in America, we live in a sodas' that's freer t)ners." Homes, pornographers, and squatters they're trying to get rid of a new microchip that
than most Its the world . The international among others dci not quail] v. will be placed in Digital Cassette recorders to
"World Human Rights Guide" Ilan; the U .S. as Ti IE BEER INSTITUTE (no address avail- prevent the taping of CDs-- or possibly even
number 18 in the world . DENMARK is best. able) Phone-800 . 3TAXES to register your vinyl records Toseof us who use tapes to make
Russia is number 84 and South Yemen is the complaint about the new beer taxes. They'll travelling . "best of" cassettes, or just to tape a
worst. Unfortunately the guide does not include answer questions at (202) 466+-2400 . These guys record so we can hear it in the car, will be out of
alcohol, tobacco, sex or military conscription are probably supported by the Brewers Assocra- luck if the major labels have their way . The
laws in its (ud Gernert Still, I think it's a pretty tIon, but who cares? They're fighting new "sin" H .R.R,C, is fi htin• this.
fair assessment: We are, for the moment, rela- taxes, aimed at nicking alcohol harder to get and THJy t tt- ET OR / PO Box684/
tively free . Of tourse, relatively free is not free more expensive . Thus the poor, the depressed, Salt Era d' 10t —Members of this
enough . And things are not getting any better. and the everyday bar drinkers are being penal- group are mostly former mental patients who've
That great Republican Barry Goldwafer said, ized, while as far as I know there are no faxes on begirt put through more "mandatory" than half
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!" He Yuppie togging shoes. the population of Siberia. "They areopposed to all
was right. CHOICE c/o R.J. Remolds Tobacco/ P.O. forms of forced psychiatric treatment,
For most of the rest of this column i want to Box 227015/ Dallas TX 75222-70155 . This is a NAM B LA (North American Man-Bay Love
talk about specific groups whose basic ideals I smokers rights group formed to combat the new Association), 25-50 89 Street, Ja kson I leights
agree with . Yet quite often the members of these antismoking puritanism . They publish "Point NY (212) 807.8578 --Thee guys fight for the
grow s ignore µ or sometimes actively oppose Of View" newSletter which is tree for the askinjt. rights of people to enjoy inter' enerational sex.
— other groups also fighting for their freedom, From all appearances, their "smokers rights T e believe that "consenting has to include
Each group sees the loss of is own liberty as an stand only includes tobacco products. ALL people, not those past an arbitrary age, Yet,
idualspeck ofdirttobeflickedaway ;rather COO (Call Off Your Old Tired Ethlcs)] they themselves are arbitrary . Why only 'North
than as the luse it is--- part of a general case of PO Box 26354/ San Francisco CA 94126 (410) America"? Why only "Man-Boy"? There are
the crabs. Again, I want to make it dear that I 957-1297. This is the prostitutes union, headed by other intergenerational _possibilities: Woman-
support the basic goals of each of these groups, the ultra-cool Margo St . James . They work for the Boy,Man-Girl Woman-Girl, Why mare them?
bull think they are all too narrow minded. freedom of "sex workers" toply their trade. They TiC) O M:. . 11 X
ABATE (chapters in a number of states. oppose mandatory VD lemma of any lend . Of ~lli1!I.4 IE 1 er oa ; nekton
Here are a few) ABATE ofMich)an/ Box 1032/ course, they are also opposed to laws against -1' O . This is another sexual free-
Dearborn Mi 48121, . . ABATE of t'cninssvivania prise ti tution, They work for better health care for dom ou . It's pro-porn and works for "diet
402 Vine St/ Cloudersport PA I691a, :.AllA sex workers. At one of their meetings, (usually mantingl the entire structure of criminality and
ofIndiana/ Box SI / Gran :r IN 4(:33(1 All closed to non-members) I learned how you can discrimination surrounding private sexual af-
% Perth Dakota/ Box a .83/ Blame k ND i, 302, .. a condom on a dientt without his knowing it fairs between consenting ADULTS ." Again,
ABATE ofUtah/ Box 5202(14/ Salt Lake City UT F
Pretty trickvt sorry kids,
S4152 TI .A .M .M . (Drinkers Against Madd Moth- NO MORE CENSORSHIP/ PO Box 11458,
I don't know what ABATE stands for . What ers)/ 1355 Joliet i'Iace/ Detroit M1 48207 (313) San rancisco 3 1, group formed
it does, is organize enainat mandatory helmet 56? 2660. This is a drinker's rights organization b Biafra and crew after the bust of Alternative
and seatbelt laws. They believe it - is each formed to help combat the coming new prohibi - 'tentacles fora poster included with a DKs rec-
individual's right to chose whether or not to tion. They fight against mandatory and arbitrary ord . in a way it`s one of the more urgent of the
protect him/herself and to then choose that sobriety fests . They are also fighting to halt the groups, because It deals with people who could
means of protection . Most of the members seem laws against happy hours and the raising of the end up in jail . There's no question that they
to be riders of American made motorcycles, drinking age. desere support but a few of the public state-
Publications supporting this group, however, DISABILITY RIGHTS CENTER fNC/ 1346 mentsbotherroe, Oneis"thisisn'tabout pornog-
seem to be rather conservative when it comes to Connecticut Ave NW Suite 1124/ Washington raptly, it's about censorship." I guess that means
the rights of other groups, especially homes and DC 20036 (202) 223-3304 . They work for the that thequestionable poster is not pornographic,
foreigners hehtsof crippies . These rights include the right and shot-ad not bee-ensored . Of course the impli'
ii ~N t , B ON/ tdbbe able to get from one place to another— easy cation is that if it WERE pornographic, it
175 •venue dew 'or s • It' 10 for us; kind of hard for others if the curb deceit t SHOULD BE censored. But then again, maybe
I ' rn wrong about what they meant . I m sure Unity is wonderful, though most bands ism. Or, maybe we've got to hope that the con-
they'll tell-me if I am. don't really specify what it is we're going to unite sciousness developed by the process of industri-
(The National Organization To around . Without any real criteria for what values alization has to get spread to the underdevel-
Reform Marijuana Laws) 2001 S Street NW; punks, skins and metallers might have in com- oped, largely peasant societies before we can
Suite Frf0, Washington DC 20009 (202) 413-5500 mon, the call for unity is an empty and meaning- have a gFobal outlook, share global problems,
For some reason, most advocates of marijuana less one. Same goes for bands who are accused of and ultimately create global revolution that's not
reform are opposed to the elimination of laws selling out . What is the basis for making such severed by religious and cultural barriers, not
agaigistother drupe At one time, therewereeven char es? stagnated by ideological straight jackets.
reports of pro-marijuana "hit squads" attacking or me, the only way I can unite with skins Obviously, there are great dangers in cul-
heroin and cocaine dealers. 1"n their defence, or metallers or any other grouping is behind the tural homogeneity, as witnessed in a small way
NORML works to prevent mandatory drug tests simple values espoused in the early punk years: by how European punks look, sound and act
ing for all drugs, anti-authoritarian/conformist attitudes, non- more and more like American punks . There's no
NM, (National Rifle Assoc .) 1600 Rhode commercialism, Do-it-Yourself ethic, and a spirit guarantee that a global consciousness can be
Island Avenue NW, Washington DC 20036 — of both criticism and humor . Too many skins achieved, and if achieved, that it will be progres-
This group supports the second amendment, seem to gravitate towards authoritarian/con- sive in nature . I welcome any and all readers to
one all too often Ignored by the liberal support- formist movements and behavior in their insecu- write in with their opinions on this very unclear
ers of some of the other groups f've'menttoned. rity. Most metallers haven't a due about DIY/ subject.
The Right to Bear Arms is basic to a free societyy,~ anti-commercial efforts . And many so-called Now, on to something that's coming a bit
It is also one of the most infringed-upon rights to punks seem to be drawn towards mainstream, more into focus : an update on the Gilman St.
this country . Unfortunately, many members of selfish business approaches, forsaking their Project . First, finances : This July, the warehouse
the N RA seemed to be concerned with this issue on inal punk outlook in the name of "practical- broke even for the first time, a welcome statistic.
alone . They do not support the other rights we it I'd have little possibility of uniting with any I think it's mainly due to all the bands on theroad
should enjoy . Their bumper sticker "Register o them. as well as kids being able to hang out more. For
Communists, Not Guise" is more than a bit sell- Similarly, my view on what constitutes a those months where we don't make ends meet
Leh. It should read, "Register Nothing!" "sellout" by bands would be a moving away for (costs run about 52500 a month), MRR picks up
RENE GUYON SOCIETY! 256 S. them from the DIY "we're in it together" attitude the tab.
Robertson Blvd Suite5020P Beverly 1-fills CA towards traditional commercial, cutthroat busi- Several months ago we began doing flyers,
90211 --Their literatures states the society "ad- ness practices : contracts, managers, agents, sala- after 3 months of just word-of-mouth advertis-
vocates abolishing laws prohibiting sex between ries, guarantees, dressing rooms, top billing, ing. This has helped to some small degree, and
a yotuterscm and a person more than ten years egos etc . Regardless of musical style, it s the way was a compromise that the majority of the
olden—That's a lot better (more inclusive) than bands handle their affairs and how they treat members wanted . Speaking of members, the
the NAMBLA stand. Still, i think that "more than others that determines whether I can relate to whole membership idea has worked pretty well.
ten }}ears" is kind of arbitrary . The goal should be them or not. People regularly volunteer for all the chores,
ANYBODY W HO WANTS TO. Thatsimple . I've Actually, these values that do bond to- though we wish more would get directly in-
heard of a rou > in Holland called gether the international punk movement were volved, if only to help clean up after shows . But,
J' DEAPl-lli Its 'ORMATiON'EXC brought up in a conversation with a friend of largely because of the membership concept, we
I tiatseemsto s more oppecn then either NAM mine, though not necessarily in such a good light. have been able to maintain the type of environ-
or the RENE GUYON SOCIETY. I don't have an She felt punk's limitations, both musically and ment that we want : one that s non-violent,
address for them, so I'd appreciate any help from lyrically, are self-defeating and self-righteous, largely fun-loving, but also serious when neces-
Dutch readers on this matter. especially when applied to other cultures . For sary . There has yet to be a real fight inside, and
WO LD PUS EJ EEDOM COM ,f1L example, she felt that white middle class punks we ve even been able to collectively set the tone
TE` .l . incise alley ive 'RestonVA22001,
. have no right being critical of the values of third for making intimidation itself seem- absurd . This
Isis an international group that works against world struggles, case in point being M DC's criti- has been done non-violently and word has got-
all state owned/controlled media. cism of the Bad Brain's homophobic/sexist atti- ten around that people who come to shows look-
Of course there are plenty of othercivil tudes many years ago. In other words, she felt it ing to hurt, bother or intimidate others aren't
liberties groups Each one scratching at its own was a form of cultural imperialism to gauge welcome.
little piece of dirt and--- for the most Earls— others' values, based on our Western outlook. Bands who'veassed through almost al-
ignoring the rest of the lice population . This is Perhaps shehasa point, that most punks are born ways mention that Gilman was one of their few
where you come in . Look over this list and pick out ofWestern middle lass value systems, and bright spots, that the atmosphere was an inspira-
one or two of these clubs . Join, work with them, by applying our frame of reference to others' tion to them, and they wish there was a similar
help them out and open them up . Make sure the rebellious cultures, we are being chauvanistic. club in their city . So - do we, and we hope that
office of the ACLU building is wheelchair acces - On the other hand, my outlook was that the visitors will spread the word that it is possible for
sible. Suggest that the kiddie lovers might feel problems we face in the middle class of the West to create a place of their own and maintain
safer if they bought a gun . Remind the smokers are the same problems that the rebels of the rile
the environment they want . That is an important
that there are other drug users who have as much Eastern Bloc face . As the East opens up more and victors'.
tight to their drugs as the tobacco and marijuana more, we're finding out that people there have We've had our share of controversies and
users have to theirs. very similar desires and needs, as well as similar dissent too. Recently, The Feederz played, and
Finally, if you really want to he free, then forms of alienation and rebellion. In other words, Frank Discussion brought in a dead dog and cat
you havetnlivefree . In 191?, drinking a bottle of industrialization brings similar regimentation, and threw them on stage . The fur was flying, and
Meer, smoking a joint, refusing a piss test, or conformity, neurosis, and reaction, no matter many people that night were outraged, some
riding a motorcycle without a helmet does more what the economic system . So, my theory is that even gointo the press, SPCA, etc . We held many
to fight the new puritan repression than a i support liberation movements in the Third meetings to discuss the issues raised : animal
hundred protest marches. The way things are World, but ones that not only strive for economic rights, the role of art, health issues, etc . The
going, it could be a felony to advocate breaking independence from colonialism, but also ones process was democratic, and despite the wide
the law. Si I won't . BUT if it were legal, I'd say that, in the name of economic independence, range of reactions to the Feederz, people dealt
go all out . I'd say : Stay drunk . Fuck anyone, want to develop their own industrial base. Once with it all intelligently and diligently . For me
anytime . Drink 'til you drop . Don't ever wear a industrialization alters those varying cultures, this too was a great victory, that punk can still
seatbeitox helmet Refuse lie detector or AIDS developing an educated middle class that has the incite argument, ferment, discusion, and that
tests . If your employer wants to check your piss, leisure time to actually think beyond mere sur- reality and music can meet.
let him uiip it off the floor. vival, the barriers between us all will lessen All in all, the project is much more hearten-
The mandator -makers and prohibition- considerably . We can see that Russia's youth are ing than I had expected by this point, spawning
ushers only functiony on your fear . If you submit ust as alienated as ourselves ; same goes for lots of local bands and a regional feeling of soh-
to their terrorism, they win : If you live your own lapan, Brazil, Poland, and we will soon find darity amongst many people who care . The
life as free as possible ; you at least have a chance. China's youth in the same light . Ultimately, it'll drinkers sometimes hang out nearby and bring
Oh veal before I finish, I'd like to know if make it a lot harder for governments to convince down heat on us, but the police have been very
anyone has the address of the French band: people that we've got to kill each other. cooperative, and I think we've been able to con-
BUTCHER . They sent me a cool demo cassette, If we all share the same industrial culture vince most of the problem causers to leave the
but didn't put their address on it. and similarly suffer the same oppression and area.
alienation, then we will be able to conceive of There are still many aspects that need more
similar solutions, similar values with which to development, especially in the realm of intellec-
combat a universal malady. What I fear most is tual stimulation,but hopefully people will begin
not the "Russian ear" , but political movements to do some planning ere too . We have had
within countries that exploit people's fears of some plays, a few exhibitions, movies, etc, but a
others and insecurities about the future, drivin lot more of these kinds of events need to be
people away from this international industrial regularly integrated into the schedule . A surpris-
culture, back towards native values of previous ingly big hit was the installation of a basketball
times that seem safe . This includes Iran s funda- hoop, causing a vegan-vegetarian-smoker-carni-
mentalist Shiites, the religious Right in the U .S., vore-druggie tournament on the 4th of July.
the ultra-conservatives in the U .S .S .R. who Everyone seems to shoot a few hoops at one point
would like to destroy "glasnost" and Gorbachev. or another throughout shows, a sort of zen/
"Punks, skins and metallers unite! " and Punk cannot change the world at this time. spastic therapy.
"sellout!" are two of the commonest themes Maybe the best we can do is abide by similar While the punk scenes in many areas seem
occuring in punk, as often illustrated in most values, recognize international alienation, and under assault by greedy promoters and parasitic
zines' letters pages . MRR gets a lot of mail on strengthen . grassroots communication on a violent assholes, at least there is one place where
these topics, and I'd like to air my views while global level . Perhaps my friend is right, maybe punks are truly "uniting" to reclaim their scene.
lumping the subjects together. this is a chauvanistic form of cultural imperial- Fm sure there area few other good examples here
in the States, but I hope that the message we're spiritual fl#ritflam gaffe$ Nazi-Commie shoot-out eight years ago was not
sending, out gets received and implemented Onelast note: Davy & Mel, one of the few around . The FBI kept a low profile this time and
everywhere el-se . At a time when attendence is people who moves In the same realms of geekt' did not plant their own agitators in the Klan in
down at shows, violence and racism is up, and ness that..l do asked me if .1 ..thought all punks order to create some violence or pull strings at the
record sales decline across the hoard, it's impor- suffered froth'lowself-esteem : Why else would police department to allow a shoot-out to take
tant to begin the rebuilding process . Fight back! they mutilate their'clothes and haircuts so they place with no policemen anywhere around.
get Laughed at, spit on, and rejected by the " nor? This time the city itself was able to retain its
Oat" people of the world (of which Davy Normal dignity . it was not yanked and pulled around,
Is del~nitely not one)? Well, it's probably a ease human life be damned, to suit the needs of some
of, "In an insane world the sane man appears FBi scheme.
insane ." Who wants to be accepted by a world The NAACP was ready to protest, and
thatvalues power and material accumulation apparently had to be cooerced into mounting co-
over life itself? But at the same . time it does. a operative demonstrations with other, whiter
heavy number on yotir head to spend your life as elements in Greensboro . Rumors drifted around
on mitcast . Lb'c need cach other more than' ever; of a ban on white performers at the anti-Klan
and hey . all you weirdos out there , our tribe rally . In the end my name and many other white
rows stron , er ever time you makea friend . ;;: performers wound up on the "approved" list for
the rally.
All the events were enjoyable with a feeling
of coming together within the small community
The first thing a lot of the Germans I met within the larger community, but you already
wanted to know was what I thought about Ger - know all your friends hate the Klan and like to
man toilets. That seemed like a strangge area of march together with their children and or listen
inherest until I remembered that Mvkcl Board to the music in the sunshine . What I never found
had once devoted a good part of hiscolumnto the out is what the greater community outside the
subject . I guess they thought all Americans had smaller community within the larger commu-
similar tascinahons. nity feels about all this.
The German punk scene is great, but in a Here were some typical comments, which
bittersweet sort of way . lt'za pleasure to twat en didn't exactly enlighten me but provided some
many people at shows and in the streets — in clues. And food for thought.
sortie part, ot Krcuzberg, in West Berlin, it almost "I hate the Klan bull want to wash my car
seems like punks are the majorit : and the nor- Sunday and I've been putting it off for weeks . In
mal-looking people are the weirdos . But at the KKKrap a way, the Klan wins if they inconvenience me at
same time 1 kept being remindleil of the early So the Klu Klux Kunts came back to Greens- all this weekend . And if I have to march against
days of hardcore hack in Cal :forma when the boro for their first parade in eight years and ev- them this weekend instead of washing my car, I'll
scene seemed to lee getting bigger by the day, but eryone wants to know what happened, did any- be inconvenienced ." This guy stayed home and
the drugs, alcohol, and violence that were going one get killed? National news descended on the washed his car.
to practicalhe destroy it were already making town in droves and our society's bloodlust dic- "The greatest protest is to just not care . So I
themselve; felt in a bi g way tated that the massacre that never happened don't care about it, and I'm not going. The Klan
'tran ;ht edge has not caught on to any would have gotten a lot more ink than the small can fuck themselves ." This person did wind up
extent in (ernian> except as a joke . and beer, lots rallies that did take place. going to one anti-Klan event but was probably
of it, is a part of lust about all punk rock activities. I had to wait months to file this report just to right about the Klan fucking themselves . No one
Trust fanzine's Dolt Ilermannstadtcr's cam- let the thoughts simmer . A waste of time on my else would.
paign for "Positive prinking" may have reached part — I still feel the same way I did that weekend I want to go to the Klan march and throw
some people, but not the ones I saw passed out or — kind of surprised a little at the apathy of the chickenshit at them and see the Klan women and
esod oft at every pig I went to . And of course community, especially the racists. If there are so children because that is some kind of really bi-
rsherds the handful of emotionally disturbed many racists in Guilford country, why didn't zarre thing and I wanted to be able to say I've
young men (and an occasional woman) who more of them show support for the Klan? Not seen it." person wound up changing her
insist on "ruling the pit" and killing anyone who stylish? Not necessary to sustain the racist way of mind and Thisgoing to the movies . In a way rwish I'd
has the nerv e to come near them Thrashing is life here? gone to the march and "seen" with my own eyes
definitely more brutal here, but then the Ger- The mayor of Greensboro, John Forbis, was stuff like the Klan women and children . Doing
mans tend to go about most things more seer' kind of pressured into attending one of the ral- this was strictly a no-no, because it swelled the
ously . Which doesn't explain why they're al- lies, a pro-inter-racial-anti-Klan rally held in a attendance at the event and seemed more impor-
ways laughing. The beer might have something park in the black part of town . He was uncom- tant . i thought this was unfair, since the event
to do with that fortable with the small crowd, like a comedian would not have seemed important if the media
South Germany is like a mini-California who's pissed at the club he's working . But the hadn't liven it such a thorough promotion.
scene, with loads of positive punks, bandanas, 800-900 estimated folks at this event certainly Lots of unanswered questions. Some pub-
skateboards, and more American records and outnumbered the 100 or so folks at the Klan lications interviewed local Klan members in
arms than I usually see back home. Berlin, on the march, including demonstators and agitators! order to get their insight and allow them a forum
other hared is more like New York, way heavy For the Klan to draw 100 people in Greensboro, for their views . One Klansmen went on an emo-
with lots of speodcorc. Then there's I lambur they might as well be a touring rock group on an tional bender about how great it will be when all
where the European version of ISOCRACI`'s independent label if they want to draw that small the blacks go back to Africa "and you don't pull
"Sobcore" is springing up . It's called Bitzcore; a crowd. up to a stoplight and hear some nigger listening
and it centers around the fast-rising cult of Oma A crowd of about 1000 attended a march to nigger music."
Hodel . In fart, next time you meet a Hamburger held the day before. "This is about as many No, you'll pull up to a stoplight and you'll
(yep, that's what they're called), put your fist on people as they had at the Chick Corea concert,' hear some white guy listening to "nigger music ."
the side of your head and give a loud "Sieg somebody told me. And then I hope this bozo who works at a gas
I lode] ." The Klan march itself had been announced station in Shitfuck, North Carolina will be happy.
Meanwhile, back in the USA . .. Well, I'm months before, to give everyone a chance to get Some of the local media took the tack that
really disgusted about this . Can't I even go away steamed up . Which they did . The appropriate the "new" Klan was better educated, better able
for a few months without everything g oing from response was the first focus of discussion. to take a role in the community. This would in
bad to worse? When Heft, things looked almost Threats were hurled at the NCLU for making turn worry others who feel the Klan is becoming
positive ; it seemed like Reagan might get im- these marches unstoppable; older liberals a powerful threat . To these people, the idea oT
peeached, and even if he wasn't, i td idol seem like stroked their beards, said "racists must be al- washing{ your car or looking the other way is like
he'd be getting awa with too marry more of his lowed to march" and suggested silent vigils with letting the Nazis soap swastikas on store win-
crackpot mass murder schemes . But what do I solemn dignity would be good. dows.
comeback to? A hunch of goonshopping around An anti-Klan pro-peace festival was sug- Much of the coverage left the opposite
shouting 011ie North for President." Ridicu- gested for the Tate Street area to happen at the impression : that Klan members are mostly un-
lous, right? Well, most people didn't take Hitler same time as the Klan march . This haslong been educated, backwoods, small town, jerkwater
Vert seriously at first, either. the hippie skatepunk college type neighborhood ugly-ass wisenheimers whose greatest triumph
- Speaking of right-wing nonsense, I recently so this felt like a great idea, only the city turned it will no doubt be losing a few teeth in a bar fight
Abadan interview where the BAD BRAINS were down because there wouldn't be enough police or perhaps getting a good deal on a tractor.
spewing forth some of the most ignorant anti- available to provide security because all the ppoo-- They are small specks in the bottom of a
homosexual rhetoric I've heard since Jerry FaI- lice were going to be down at the Klan rally . (Eh? melting pot which has already absorbed so much
weII got me so mad that 1 put a shoe through my Marching or providing security?) black, brown and yellow that maybe the Klan's
television set . As evidence for what they were Everyone was pissed off by this . Not only is worst nightmare is already reality : pure white is
saying, they gave the same bible quotes you'd it insulting to have the Klan march in our com- gone, gone, gone . Maybe this is the case . Any-
expect. out of any two-bit fundamentalist munity, now we don't get to have our cool street way, the Klan came and went, one guy fired a toy
preacher. All right, so maybe they're great fair because the cops are busy with the Klan. gun, a couple of little arrests were made, nobody
musicians and can do back-flips and all that . But The police were intending to provide a state got hurt, a lot of dull speeches were made by
they've also got their heads right up their asses of the art, SWAT style security show for all of everyone on both sides, most everybody staved
when it comes to the bask human rights of mil- these events . Strangely enough, the vision of home except a bunch of people like me, and I'm
lions of people all over the world . Relig ious multitudes of cops marching precision syle with not saying I'm proud . Maybe my natural instinct
superstition is religious superstition, and Rasta- their weapons made one think some sort of to "dissent" and "protest and the fact that I hate
farianism isn't any leas stupid, or dangerous, menance threat was in our midst. the Klan was just used by the greater community
than Christianity, Islam, or any ot the rest of the Not so . The menace that caused the Klan- as a little diversion.


privacy, but she had murdered privacy, as interest. Liaison was established with the re-
MacBeth had murdered sleep. Her time was not search sections of police departments and crimi-
hers . And her personality was not hers. nology laboratories; medical practitioners, pro-
Maurice Zolotov- Comments on Marilyn fje ssional hypnotists, and psychiatrists were
Monroe brought on as paid consultants, and various
Marilyn Monroe allegedly committed sui- branhes of the military provided assistance.
cide from a drug overdose on the 5th of August Oftentimes these arrangements involved a cover
1962. Most researchers, including myself, believe to conceal the CIA's interest in behavior modifi-
Marilyn ' s death was directly connected to the cation.
later deaths of John and Robert F . Kennedy . The From the outset, the CIA's mind control
25th anniversary of Marilyn's yet unsolved program had an explicit domestic angle . A
mysterious death will not be forgotten and her 'memo dated July 13, 1951, described the
murder will only drive me to work harder in Agency's mind-bending efforts as "broad and
seeking the truth and exposing the atrocities comprehensive, involving both domestic and
Is everyone enjoying their summer? Anyy? committed by elements of the U .S. es- overseas activities, and taking into consideration
way, 1figure that this ismyspace, right? And in tablishmnet . May peace be yours, Marilyn the programs and objectives of other depart-
mvspaceicans y just about anythi rig want to. Monroe! ments, principally the military services ."
But before I go on, I {{j ust want to say 1 visited the The public testimonies of the Iran/Contra BLUEBIRD activities were designed to create an
Gilman St Project in Berkeley recently . I was very scandal have been concluded . In the midst of the "exploitable alteration of personal ity in selected
impressed with thewayit is rim . There isn't any political tone of the times public concensus over individuals ; specific targets included "potential
fighting to speak of and everyone was very the Iran/Contra scandal has resulted in a crimi- agents, defectors, re fugeaes, POWs," and a vague
tnhmdly (Why couldn't we have any place in L .A. nal turned hero-Oliver North . Even after the category of "others ."
like this, at present?), In lieu of this fact, I want to facts lay wide open, Congress was lied to, laws In August 1951, the BLUEBIRD code name
begin my story and plug what I've been doing, were ignored that prohibit providing funds for a became operation ARTICHOKE . The CIA were
and at the same time dines the assholes who may covert war that has been ruled illegal by the still havinglittle luck in finding the "truth drug ."
have wrecked it. world court, but most repulsive of all was that In search for this drug, agents were sent out
1 am co- p resident of a group at Cal State 011ie's Contras smuggle drugs! A I lero?? around the world on a fad finding mission to
Northridge. The group is called the Loyai Order. In the beginning of the 1930s in Germany, gather samples of rare herbs and botanicals.
We are composed of all kinds of people, meetly there were many German citizens warning the Cocaine and cocaine derivatives were investi-
punks- butthecnlyprerequisitefortheclubisan greater half of the German population aout gated. One cocaine derivative, Procaine, was
open mind . I have to call us a "club" because what Hitler and his party would do and had injected into the frontal lobes of the brain
that's the only "legal" way the school will let us done . Yawning, the majority quickly dismissed through trephine holes inthe skull of mental
meet and make use of the facilities it has to offer: these people as being alarmists, paranoid or patients. But cocaine and its derivatives were
We've been around for 3 veers on campus, and communists. The book, Mein Kam f, which rejected . Failure after failure in pursuit of this
mostly have kept a low profile for obvious rea- Hitler had written was widely available and even "truth drug" led the CIA to look into heroin as a
sons I wanted to tell the MRR readers sooner; outlined his plans and so forth . Did that same possibility.
but we hadn't done much till recently. We majority who dismissed those warnings read Not the heroin that ex-Nazi pilots under CIA
started to make use of the school's facilities and Mein Kampf? They must not have, because as a contract smuggled out of the golden triangle in
for a small overhead we started booking shows result Hitler and his party were voted into power southeast Asia on CIA proprietary airlines dur-
on campus, We did tour in all, and o first and the rest as the saying goes, is history . We are ing the late 1940's and earl y1950's ; nor the heroin
featured the Descendents the second Dr . Know supposed to learn from mistakes and take steps that was pumped into America ' s black and
and Final Conflict, a sisoken word with Biafra, to see that they do not occur again . Unfortu- brown ghettos after passing through contraband
and most recently, the Adolescents and Blast nately, they are. In the age of the "banana repub- networks controlled by mobsters who moon-
pplayed . Each show was relatively free of prob- lic", researchers, authors and good journalists lighted as CIA hitmen.
lems - everybody knew not to tuck around or have all documented facts about Real and . . . .ARTICHOKE scientists did see possible ad-
we'd lose the hall . Anyway, except for a few many members of his administration . - Having vantages in heroin as a mind control drug . Ac-
fights, the shows received a lot of positive feed- yawned too, the greater half of the American cording to a CIA document dated April Z6,1952,
back, the money we made was put into a fund for population quickFy dismissed these people as heroin was "frequently used by police and intel-
more shows, a fanzine and a compilation tape being communists, liberal trash or conspiracy Iigence officers on a routine basis ." The cold
Nor, for the curse the assholes part . . .Our theorists. Did that same American majority who turkey theory of interrogation : CIA operatives
last show didn't draw as well as we excpected- quickly dismissed those writers as such read the determined that heroin and other habit forming
only about 3001 people showed up—but there documented facts they published? They must substances "can be useful in reverse because of
was no visible Tension and not one fight . ;? I not have and as a result the actor Ronnie was the stresses produced when they are withdrawn4
thought everything was cool but the men's voted into power to play the role of president and from those who are addicted to their use ."
bathroom was trashed . I can't believe it!! [ don't the rest is history. The CiA began testing LSD and had promis-
know who did it, but it was Your basic white This is why the Iran/Contra scandal can not ing results . Problems had arisen though, LSD
supremacist bullshit and it had some skinhead solely be blamed upon the Reagan administra- did not live up to the CIA's original expectations.
raffiti like "US skins" and "606." Guess whole tion, but the blame is equally shared by the The CIA's confusion about LSD went from being
rheld responsible for the graffiti—not just the
Loyal Order but me in particular . The school has
American public. Ignorance is the strength for
fascists like most of the Reaganites to do what
a truth serum to a lie serum and then for a while
they didn't know . LSD proved to be a significant
now branded me as an undesirable and we've True Democracy would never, ever allow! Last breakthrough and the CiA had no plans to give
lost the hall, So, shows at the Tapestry Room are but not least, this is worth mentioning, a young up on this powerful drug . The agency released
probably history, and it sucks because the were republican came up to Benjamin Franklin who its plans about a truth drug and posed the ques-
really low-priced and enjoyable . The school y had just come out of a meeting that had just tion on how LSD could be used.
didn't want us in the first place, and now they formed the U .S . government and asked Mr. Fran- ACiQ REAJ~CH
have their final excuse to bar us from renting the klin, "So what lend of government have you Funding individuals in the private sector on
hall (They say we bring an "undesirale " given us? A republic or a monarchy? Benjamin LSD research was promptly initiated by the CIA.
element onto campus) Fran klin replied, "A republic, if you can keep it!" Dr . Max Rinkel, Dr . Paul Hoch, Dr . Louis Joylon
The moral tomylong and tediousstory you Continuing The Hidden Shadow Of The West, Dr . Ewen Cameron, Dr -larris Isbell, and
all bitch about no pplaces to play and nowhere to Summer Of Love Dr. Carl Pfeiifer received this funding and
o, you bitch about hig~h door pri g and In the course of pursuing a "truth drug" to be worked as contract employees for the CiA . in
g used to obtain information during interrogation, gathering intelligence for the CIA on LSD re-
vielence. . .well, we tried hid() something positive
and some of the same fans that bitch about ticket the CIA in the late 1940's had developed two search out of the above list of doctors, Dr . Isbells
prices wrecked it for the cool ones . Sorry guys methods. research is the better example as to the lengths
maybe another time. The first involved narcohypnosis, in which a CIA funding was given for results:
P .S
..Bv the way, Walter, keep on rockin'! CIA psychiatrist attempted to induce a trance Like the Nazi doctors at Dachau, the CiA
state after administering a mild sedative. A sec- victimized certain groups of people who were
ond technique involved a combination of two unable to resist: prisoners, mental patients, for-
different drugs with contradictory effects . A eigners, the terminally ill, sexual deviants, ethnic
heavy dose of barbiturates was given to knock minorities. One project took place at the Addic-
WEB OF TNTERCONNECTIONS the subject out, and then he received an injection tion Research Center of the US Public Health
of a stimulant, usually some type of ampheta- Service Flospital in Lexington, Kentucky . Lex-
,e .47JP mine . As he started to come out of a somnambu-
lant state, he would reach a certain ineffable
ington was ostensibly a place where heroin
addicts could go to shake a habit : The patients
NPV'"ri, 4.
point prior to becoming fully conscious . De-
scribed in CIA documents as "the twilight zone,"
had their own way of referring to the doctors-
"hacks" or "croakers -who patrolled the ,prem-
this groggy condition was considered optimal ises in military uniforms . The patients of Lexing-
for interrogation. ton had no way of knowing that it was one of
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I RISI I
:* ~4
Many CiA consultants had all agreed these
methods were useless . The CIA's determination
for such a drug began an expansion of its research
fifteen penal and mental institutions utilized by
the CIA in its super-secret drug development
program . To conceal its role the Agency enlisted
program . Code named BLUEBIRD, this CIA the aid of the Navy and the National Institutes of
A great force of nature, she was becoming a project was extemly sensitive and all usual chan- Mental Health (NIMFI), which served as con-
victim of the propaganda machine of her own nels of authorization were bypassed: duits for channeling money to Dr. Hams Isbells,
struggle to build herself up. About her swirled a the CIA contacted academics and other a gung-ho researach scientist who remained on
hurricane and she was its eye . She longed for outside experts who specialized in areas of mutal the CIA payroll for over a decade .


. . .When the CIA came across a new drug them back to a CIA-financed bordello. Unknow- up in 1963 when a CIA inspector routinely check-
(usually supplied by American pharmaceutical in customers were treated to drinks laced with ing up on TSS operations accidently fell upon this
firms) that needed testing, they frequently sent it LSD while White sat on a portable toilet behind safehouse . The inspector general, John Earman,
over to their chief doctor at Lexington, where an two-way mirrors, sipping martin is and watching was outraged and filed a 24 page report on drug
ample supply of captive guinea pigs was readily stoned and kinky moment. As pa en and mind control experiments . Richard Helms
available. Over 800 compounds were farmed out foir services, the hookers received $100 a defended the program saying it was necessary
to Isbell, i,cluding LSD and a variety of hallu- night, plus a guarantee from White that he'd "to keep up with Soviet advances in this field .'
cinogens . intercede on their behalf should they be arrested This familir Cold War rhetoric was in fact untrue.
GUINEA_ PIGS OF AMERICA while plying their trade . In addition to providin The CIA had no documented facts as td the
ration MK-ULTRA was authorized by data about LSD, Midnight Climax enabled the Soviets pursuing such research in control of an
CIA ' ector Allen Dulles after Richard Helms, CIA to learn about the sexual proclivities of those individuals mind . LSD, among other "stable
one of the top-ranking members of the "dirty who passed through the safehouse. White's drugs", were used in covert operations such as:
tricks department Clandestine Services) pro- harem of prostitutes became the focal point of an A favorite plan involved slipping P-I (the
posed this program . LSD was taken by everyone extensive CIA study of how to exploit the art of code name for LSD when used operationanally)
to the Technical Services Staff (TSS) who would lovemaking for espionage purposes. to socialist or left leaning politicians in foreign
then analyze and write observations down on When he wasn't operating a national securi countries so that they would babble inc(erentfy
each other's "tripped out' state: whorehouse, White would cruise the streets oo and discredit themselves in public.
When they finally learned the hallucinogenic San Francisco tracking down drug pushers for The Hidden Shadow Of The Summer Of
ropes, so to speak, they agreed among t the Narcotics Bureau . Sometimes after a tough Love will continue next issue . Till next
selves to slip LSD into each other's drinks . The day on the beat he invited his narc buddies up to month, Peace, Love, Unit and Knowledge!
target never knew when his turn would come one of the safehouses for a little "R & R ." Occa- FOOTNOTES
but as soon as the drug was ingested a TSfS sional! , they unzipped their inhibitions and #1-Martin A . Lee and Bruce .. hlain, Acid Dreams
colleague would tell him so he could make the partied on the premises—much to the chagrin of (Grove Press, Inc., New York, 1985), pg . 7
necessary preparations-which usually meant the neighbors, who began to complain about #2-ibid ., pg . 9
fkinxthe rest of the day off . Initially the leaders men with guns in shoulder straps chasing after #3-ibid ., pg. 10
MK-ULTRA restricted the surprise acid tests women in various states of undress . Needless to #4-Ibid ., pg . 12
to TSS members, but when this phase had run its say, there was always plenty of dopearound,and #5-Ibid ., pg. 24
course they started dosing other Agency person- the felts sampled everything from hashish to #6-ibid ., pg. 29
nel who had never tripped before . Nearly every- LSD #7-Ibid ., pg. 32-33
one was fair game, and surprise acid trips be- Operation Midnight Climax abrupty dried #8-1 bid ., pg. 35
came something of an oc-
cupational hazar among
CIA operatives.
GRAPHIC: JOHN YATES
An army scientist, Dr.
Frank Olson who special-
ized in biological warfare
research unexpectedly
was a victim of such a
surprise . He had never
taken LSD before and his
"trip" proved fatal . After
sinking into a deep de-
pression, the Agency had
sent Dr . Olson to a sanito-
rium in Rockville, Mary-
land . November 1953, Dr.
Olson was checked into
the Statler Hilton under
close watch by a CIA
agent. While in his room
h r . Olson jumped
through a closed window
and fell to his death . Even
after this death, dosing
unexpected people di
not cease . MK-UL di-
rector Dr Sidney Gottlieb
approved a plan to ad-
minister LSD to unwitting
American citizens . A nar-
cotics officer for the Fed-
eral Narcotics Bureau,
George Hunter White
(who had once organized
experiments on unsu-
pected subjects when
marijuana was tested as a
possible "truth drug")
was chosen for a new pro-
gram located in
Greenwich Villiage, New
York. The CIA's 'interior
decorators] refurnished a
rented apartment with
two-way mirrors and sur-
veillance equipment
which George Hunter
White would use as a safe-
house . Posing as an artist
and seaman, White would
lure people back to his
apartment and slip LSD
into their drinks . White's
personal diary contained
several references as to the
people dosed with LSD,
'Gloria gets horrors . . ..
Janet sky_ high ." George
Hunter Whites was trans-
fered to San Francisco in
1955:
During this period he
initiated Operation Mid-
night Climax, in which
drug-addicted prostitutes
were hired to pick up men
from local bars and bring
 Jeff Bode was a mainstayof MRR for Me lost umpteen horrible nd so, in o sense, incomprehensible . I felt they don't have this kind of desperate poverty that you have.
yeas, starting with the radio show and then becoming both couldn't be Incomprehensible . I don't feel such groups are even in the United States . But to me, those kinds of
record review editor and genera political troublemaker f or incomprehensible, but rather that people don't wont to economic benefits do not Justify the political repression
Mezine, as wallas 'singing - f or Wodone and Lervnonburger. really examine them carefully , and the result is that they get which exists in most communist systems . It's a complicated
For the last2 or so years. Jeff has been going to grad school, associated wtlh alt these larger prejudices . For example, issue . I think that maybe some of the best transformations
and because of that his input to MRR hos been knifed to o people often folk as though Nazism or Fascism is the incar- have occurred more or less democratically . For example
few reviews each Issue and port time duties on The air. We nation of metaphysical evil or something—that doesn't when Allende—who was elected — took over In Chile in 1970
occasionally get letters Inquiring as to his status. so we ready help you understand the phenomena, It Just pigeon- and began to do land reform, before he was overthrowr(by
thought ltmlght be Interesting to do a redinteMewwith the holes and demonologses It, so you can have this gut-level the C .I .A., it wasn't o revolutionary situation because rt
dude, so here goes interview by Tim hostility towards it and feel morally superior. didn't involve the armed overthrow of the previously exist-
MRR : You're In grad school now, and obviously yourex- MRR: Do you think there's any danger that as you ing state . But I think it's precisely when you have those
istence is different from before, when you were involved become older and more malevolent that ... peaceful, ' democratic' transformations that you're more
in MRR and the punk scene . Maybe you could begin by Jeff : .. .that I become personally more malevolent? I&ely to end up with beneficial effects if the superpowers
explaining what you ore doing now, and then talk about MRR: . . .that you could become o fascist? don't Interfere.
why you ore doing It, what your motivation Is. Jeff : Oh no, no way . Although I've found a lot of elements MRR : Well, It seems that any country which Is in the
Jeff : Well, what I'm doing now is working on my Ph.D. in In fascism that surprised me, and which I find are not that sphere of one of the two superpowers is not going fo be
History at UC . Berkeley. I'm specializing In extreme right- dissimilar to those of the radical left, there are certain allowed to transform in the opposite direction . ..
wing movements in the 20fh Century, speciicaRy moo- aspects of fascism that I would never support, like ultra- Jeff : That's exactly right, that's precisely the problem
fascist groups and terrorist networks since 1945, primarily in nationalism, or those currents of fascistic thought which MRR: . . .arid then that country has the choice of either
Europe . I'm also studying the internationalization of it, the emphasize biologial racism . I could never support racism not making substantive changes or of making revolu-
links between the Eurofascists and the Death Squads in Latin But, I think the larger issue concerns revolutionary programs tionary changes which do have some negative draw-
Americo. As to why I'm doing it—well . I don't know. . .rm and revolutionary transformations . One of the things which backs, because they must protect against superpower
doing It probably because I always find It Into resting to lean I 've become much more suspicious of nowadays is the Intervention and subversion.
about things you're not supposed to know anything about. potential positive benefits of revolutionary change . it's not Jeff : Well, yes, the major options which are open to any
The more someone tries to keep Information from me . the because I'm happy with the status quo—on the contrary, I Third World country within the sphere of the two superpow-
more l wont tofisidout about It . But 'want to emphasize that Mink the status quo is appalling, atrocious and thoroughly ers— which is basically every Third World country—is to either
I'm doing in-depth research in libraries and archives, not disgusting, sterile, disreputable . ..I mean, you name o bad maintain a subservient economic and political relation with
investigative Journalistic exposes . Plus, I've always been adjective about the status quo and I'll go along with It. On that superpower . and in general that implies a situation
attracted to the darker side of human personality and the other hard . It often happens, and it generally has where the majority of people are living in conditions of
behaviour, and I find th is kind of stuff endlessly fascinating happened—at least up until now—that revolutionary poverty and without real political representation, or , you
and interesting. I guess, I mean tl t was going to lie, I could change ended up creating situations which are much have a violent 'national liberation' struggle which leads, by
say that I was doing this so I could expose It, to generate worse than the original situations which the revolutionaries hook or by crook, to a totalrtarianized Marxist-Leninist
positive political change in the world and so on and so were opposed to. Isn't there a way to accomplish major regime—I mean, this is complicated . For example, when
forth, but that's not really the reason I'm doing It . The real structural changes without creating a major police state Castro began his revolutanory octivtties, he didn't hove a
reason is that I happen to be very interested in It, for the apparatus as a result? I would like to believe that there clearly defined Marxist-Leninist agenda, but nevertheless.
reasons I Just described . Of course, If my research did con- could be a transformative situation that would not end up part of the reason Third ' Workd countries end up that way
tribute to some positive political developments I would be with authoritarianism and oppression. is. . .well, if there is a violent overthrow of a United States
more than happy, but that's not really the reason I'm doing MRR : Have there been any revolutionary movements or client, the United States does everything it con to strangle
It. rm not doing If to make a political point . I'm not countries which, in your opinion, are more, rather than that country economically and to make them suffer, like
potemicising about tt : on the contrary, rm trying to under- less, beneficial? Reagan has done to the Sandinistos . That's what 'they' like
stand these kinds of groupsf rom their own point of view, and Jeff: I think the Nicaraguans ore much better off now than to do, make them cry 'uncle .' So the result is that these
from within their own milieu, without Imposing any external they were prior to the Sandinista revolution. On the other countries automatically have to go to the Soviet Union . the
biases or presuppositions on the material I'm reading—at hand, one shouldn't whitewash the Sandinistas and claim other superpower, to get support . The some thing's true in
least, to the extent that that's possible. that they have awonderful open society, because the tact the reverse . Anyone in the Soviet sphere who wants to
MR? : This dark side that you referred to, is that something of the matter is that the Sandinistas hove a fairy heavy oppose the regime under which they live, the only place
that, as you grow older, becomes deeper? social-control apparatus set up there, But they don't have they can go is to the United States—or the Chinese The
Jeff: What, my fascination with rt? death squads, systematically kidnapping, murdering and Chinese have avery interesting role inthis : they, by the way,
MRR : Yes. torturing innocent citizens like the 'democratic' allies of the have a very counter-revolutionary and reactionary foreign
Jeff: I don't think so. I mean, ever since I was o kid twos realty U .S. in Latin America fond elsewhere in the Third World) policy, something not many people know, and they have
Into this kind of stuff . Not this port icular kind of stuff, but I was Yugoslavia is a country which is probably better off as a had this for thirty yeas. long before the so-called . ..
realty interested In. . . result of Tito's victory, although large numbers of people MRR : . . . " capitalist waders" took over.
MRR : Horror films. .. were killed . You know, in a way you've asked the question Jeff : Yeah, long before the bourgeoisitication, or whatever
Jeff: Yeah, well, all the things I like, horror films, I love horror too broadly, because I think there are certain positive you want to call tt, that Maoists are fond of talking about
flirts, and, somehow mon ' s Inhumanity to man realty face outcomes of revolutionary situations : even in o system as They make It seem like there was a golden age under Mao
rotes me . strange as it may seem Even before when I was repressive as the Soviet system . From the standpoint of and the communists. There . as elsewhere, the communists
in history . I was studying the Mongols. I mean, the Mongols social programs and things of that nature, obviously people were very cynical and engaged in great power machina-
don' t exoctty have the best press among people who study are better off—nobody's starving in the sheet In other tions. Just like non-communist countries do. The problem is
the medieval world, but for some reason I was attracted to words, there's a situation where everybody is guaranteed a that when revolutionary ideologies ore espoused by people
them, probably because to everyone else they seemed so lib, there's a caftan minimum standard of living, and you who want to change things, they use often firmly and
sincerely beloved–prior to the seizure of power When there 's room for creativity, etc . AU they 're doing Is r..rtlbcto • with many of the some socra problems that lima
there isa seizureof power, generaty the Idealists ore the first Imitating us. utt-wing counterparts worn afflicted with –those pooplo, I
ones purged, and you end up with just the power maniocs Jeff: Well, yes, to some extent that's true. think, do feel a generational bond with their cauntorport:
In control At that point, Ideology simply becomes o MRR : So anyway, whether that's such a disaster. .. on the loft, Sol think you're seeing a complacaledsduatiori
ratbnolaofbn to support euentkaliy reactionary activities. Jeff: Well, I don' t know If it's o disaster. I think that is what Nhore in some cases certain radical fascist groups gene
MRR : That happened In Nazi Germany, too. they're doing, I think they've recognized that the way noty want to join with the loft and engage In a cormuah
Jeff: Oh yeoh. of course . This isthewhote proble m, this iswhy they've been ruling the country since, wet since the Revo- toggle against the bourgeois slate, which they consldor
I feel so sceptical now of the possibilities of positive revokr lution practlally, it no longer suitable to maintain the loyalty their Immediate common enemy, while othea are simply
tbrary change . That's why we're in a problematic situ- of the population and to maintain the economic efficiency utikzk>sthistochtslquuusawrsyofmunlpulotinplhutult . Thu
ation–the status quo is so horrible, and yet, there ' s not of the systemover time . So,Idon't thlnkthere changes have vurdiel Is not yet In–I dur't think anyone will le able to
much reason to have faith In the results all a potential beenmode became somebody up on top hot become thk ,lotutitety answer these questions for bit yours . and eve'
transormatton that we can foresee; that's why it's kind of o wonderful human being . it's something out of necessity. I coon thorn may not boo comma. Hut the situation is much
dilemma think that's something very good for the average Soviet more complicated than the way it Is generally presented
MRR : All of these examples are of situations In the Third citizen, but time w6 toll how for It's going to go, to what MRR: Having known you for o long Ilme, and given 1h
World . How Is It different for us, living In the Industrial extent it's going to benefit the people, and how much world view you have. ..
world? What options do we have for change? political fre edom there's going to be . I can't believe there's off : Which woad view is this. now'?
Jeff : Wet, obviously, one thing which has to be recognized going to be a whole lot of political freedom. Theme might be MRR: Well. H'ravent paralyzing onne,onapeacoat level.
is that In modern Industrial states – and let' s talk about the more cultural freedom, there might be more economic On the one hand, it seems as though the forces of
Western bloc for the moment, the Soviet bloc we can toile freedom, but there's not going to be more, you know. .. (manipulation In control ore so strong that you can't true
;bout later if you want, but basically my view of the Soviet MRR: It will be just ilk . hotel anybody and there are no options.
bloc is that it's a very repressive, horrendous system How- Jeff : In a sense thars true. Jett: Yeah,wellthat'spartofwhotlheywantyoutobelevu.
ever. I think that In the ' free world; In Western Europe and MRR: Before we move on . there's one other thing I'd like that's port of the planned results of this manipulation–t •
the U .S, It's not often recognized that very elaborate to question you on, something I believe you're In the %.ow paranoia. confusion, and really make people feelthat
systems of soclol control exist and that the 'freedom' we process of writing about now, and Ihot's the Interesting ay.
have b In many ways Wavy. sorts of links between the extreme right and the extreme MRR. Well, then are you the ultimate victim?
MRR : Wait, the East or the West? left–that they have more similarities than differences, oft . Well,no,Idon' tthinkit'sso ...wogIdothink thaw's very
Jeff: The West–but the repression here is not re blatant as beyond their Ideologies . Could you elaborate? nto chonce . I think, as I argued on the bock of Ow
In the Eastern bloc . in a sere, one could argue that the Jeff: WeI,yeah, everyone who ha radical andarevokAlon- ltulsomo io 19134 album. that all the nrucluru kr usli
system' of social control are vastly more sophisticated h the ary, anyone who is advocating and acting on the base of oc-Iotius havo very sophisticated social control macho•
West—precisely because they ire presented beneath a o world-tronsforr ative Ideology, has got to be profoundly runs . I doti it 11Wik its posslblu for those basic structures to
facade of democracy . And when I say facade, I don't alienated from the status quo . You don't search for a huctwaived. Even lyouwear towpkxutepasta uwl5
mean to say that there is nothing democratic about West- messianic transformation of society unless you're very usso - the positions of power. I still believe that theme are cortex
ern societies It is true that the democracies are largely tbfied with what exists. I believe there are enormous similari- ,tructwat foatureswhkwhlchwoulclmtligcde against any laurel
forma, but because there is a formal democracy . R leaves ties between fascists and various non-Marxist or unorthodox lovotution of power or any kind at docentrd¢ation d
certain leeway' for groups to press( or their own rights. There rodicd left movements, and on a number of Ieeveis. The power which could load to more genune dunsocratit
hove actual/ been changes whlch hove occurred In these specific content of the societies they want to create is porticlpatbn and rod freedom and so faith. rtn.
systems–not because the people in control wanted them ditferent, but the psychological end. . .wel, there ' s a certain pessimistic about the possibi des for accomplishing
to occur, but because those in power were forced to make attitudinal similarity etween them . I would argue that, h a hing.'dofeel that the people hvowedlnmanipulation.
concessions to preserve their general position, along with lot of ways, the kinds of fights between fascists and leftists blence, and so forth–these people realty are enema
the democratic facade. are not realty different from the fights between the Sport- powerful and there's probably no way to overcommit tt ' j
MRR: But aren't we seeing that the some Is true In the ocbts and the Revolutionary Communist Party . In a senor, n the foreseeable future.I do below) there are •
Soviet Union? For example, Jean . Kirkpatrick has ad- what we' re dealing with k two sectarian revolutionary hstaclestoovercomeforanykind&f positive change : •
vanced this argument that fascist egimes or right-wing groups who have different visions of, not only the ideal ho othot hand, as I said before, I also feel very pessimistic
dictatorships have a greater likelihood, or potential, ol society, but how to get there . The result is that, on the one hat rovokulonory transformations, hand of themselves, will
being democratized, than left tolalltadan regimes. hand they have o much closer bond with one another than oud to any kind of pemocsaticgtion or anything bettor . So
Jeff : Kirkpatrick's argument is seriously flawed . But you've they do with any mode rates, yet on the other hand, they're or all those reasons,l've just become so skeptical about
contused It by conflating fascist regimes and the kind of the most bitter enemies. verythtng, that I couldn't advocate any kind of politico
traditional right-wing military dictatorships that she was MRR : Apparently, some of these groups have begun to policy that I would feel controllable with . To me, the o
taking about In places like Chile and El Salvador . I'm sure realize this themselves, right? I mean, there have been Nay that any of Itslscould bechanged wouidbeif the will
Kirkpatrick would Identify genuine fascist regimes–which overtures from the extreme right to the extreme left In mojorty of people knew what the hell what was going on
do not exist anywhere today (despite my Incorrect claims, some European countries .. .a call for Maoist/Nazi unity. f you could show them just how d was that they're being
on the bock of the Wek :ome to 1994 LP .) –os totalitarian, Jeff : Yes, there have been The difficult question to answer monlpukated and how this manipulation was not benefit-
along with communist regimes . And she would be It to what extent they're genuine and to what extent nng them, buts verysmollsegnent otpeople–lf youcoukl
absolutely right to do so, since both exhibit mass mobdtrJng they're pod of on elaborate attempt at manipulation . This demonstrate that . It you had the means of educating of
and social control mechanisms . featuresthal ire quite alien is an issue which has recently come up, and some people urge numbers of 'regular pooplo, than maybe, just
to taxational authoritarian systems . The latter are In fact have written articles about It . Some are emphasizing this maybe, they would be so outraged that there might be
distinct from the forcer, as she agues, but that doesn't coluslon notion–that there ore realty o lot of similarities .art of moss rooction against it bat's the only thing that
mean they are wide open to 'democratization.' Neither between the Ideolgtes and the attitudes of radical leftists could bring it down. Let's say the quite clealy, There's no
type of system is truly open to democrattrntlon, but authorl- and radical fascists, o kind of ideological convergence or way that any leftist who Ideate tOtmclancdenstlneorganiso-
tarian systems ore much weaker from a structural point of poradeism which leads them to bond together against o ?,ons, or tiles to use the same techniques that the tight is
view and generally lock a mats base of popular support. common enemy, especially the common enemy, the using–there's no way that that's going to be effecthre
They are the refore easier to overthrow and can sometimes bourgeois store . Then there are others–mainly leftists. I nocausethe right hasallthopower ontheir side. Anybody
be forced by external pressure to erect o democratic have to say–who argue that fascists can't be revokdlonar - oho thinks they're going to set up a clandestine cell. or
locode. On the other hand, they are often more overtly ies, and that all their jorgon is jut demagoguery. That is the subvert the system Iromthe Inside, or engage in tenorism-
brutal than totalitarian systems precisely because they simplistic leftist response . U you ask the average leftist Are mat's never going to transform the sydem . All that's going
have mode Ittle or no effort to obtain popular support– fascists revolutionaries?' they'll say 'No, they're the ulti - to do Is ploy tight Into the hands of the people who are
that's why they have to wog* full-scale wars against their mate reactionaries, Isiah . Isiah, Moh; which In my view is control now. In other words. I behave the only way t'
own citizens, as In Guatemala. In contrast, within European quite misleading. The early loscbts, and many of their achieve democratisation Is with the education of the vast
Rusin–although not in Soviet-occupied Eastern Europe or postwar successors, sought a very radical status quo, and majority of people; and I don't see, given the fact that
central Asia–It is possible to Initiate glasnost precisely they were virulently opposed to corporatism and pluto- they've already been brdnwashedsoheavllyardate
because the system of social control is so extensive and cratic capitalism, as well as Marxism . CX cause, fascist nsuch anapathetic condibn,thatthere bmuch W ehhood
effective, at least on the surface. leaders later made compromises and betrayed marry of that they can be reached
MRR: Before you said that the terms ol social control In their own revolutionary Positions. But so has every Mandel f RR: Where does that leave an Individual with a mind?
the West are more subtle . .. leader. Yet, very few people have turned it mound and Jeff : ThatleavesanindMduaiwdhamindtopkmuehlsorhe,
Jeff: I wasn't trying to say of countries In the West. . . argued that Morxbm was merelya demagogic . reactionary ownhieandtrytotiveIt withasmuchlntegritympouible . To
MRR : No, I know, In the Industrial countries. But, you're doctrine . There is a clear double standard here . In any ry to somehow make one's way In this lucked up world we
saying that on the one hand this is good because we do event, there are people (rckudl ng mysel), who have done we In. I don't have any panaceas. I don't know on
have same ways of altering things, but on the other It's research on the specific limb etween various tomtit solutions to these problems Maybe they're invaluable
bad because It's pernicious. groups, and have In fact discovered o long-standing pat- Maybe rho best we can hope for b that the hdlvWuui cur.
Jeff: Right. It's more obfuscatory, because what you have tern of manipulation of extreme leftist groups by the ex- make the frustrotkxa of We o Bale more bearable . That'
is a situatio n where, It you con get people to believe they're treme right . which is Itself being manipulated by the security ono of the reasons we had this argument easier-uaboul
living In a democratic system, even when they have very services ofvarious Westerncountries. Anyway, the point I' m people selling out,or not necessarity selling oust but deciding
kale Influence over deciskxrmaking, then that's half the making is that the general approach to the question of the 'o make money In music, or whatever . I mean. I don't Mn
social-control battle right there. relationship between the radical left and right is posed in t– I' m not happy when great bands sign with major label
MRR : Right. terms of being either a matter of collusion or manipulation, or change their 'Omer just become greedy–who 00
Jeff: They're happy that they' re free, and so on. . . whereas I think It's much more complicated. I think Is a no happy about that? Onthe other hand .ldbraseo It as
MRR: Right . But 11 seems to me that all they're doing In combination of the two . There are obviously some people something horrible, but just as a way for people to get
the Soviet Union Is looking at our example and stating to who are using certain kinds of rhetoric to manipulate the taro ugh tto without having to be chaff edto a0-la5 sbulsh
apply It–more consumer goods, more small-level deci- left, and there are other fascists, especially the younger ox stonco like everybody else.
sion making, attempting to give people the illusion that ones who grew up during the seventies and who were MRR; Well, that's okay, but . ..
 Jeff: Think of it this way-Ike I was thhldng of ChM (of lei I . I think so . .. MRR: I'd like to break In and counter with some argu-
Domka Theory) the other night. Hen's a guy who dropped MRR : . ..but It has nothing to do with .„ ments . First of all, I make a dhllnctlon between poverty
out of high school. d he's boon doing is playing music shoo oft. No, but on the other hand, II Is true that young kids are of the pocket-book and poverty of the heart and soul
he was o kid, he's a great musician. M's a smart guy, but mprosslonobte, they follow fashions and tads and and mind . One of the reasons I feel punk I. still a powerful
basically he doesn't have any kind of formal skik which hat ever s the thing to sing about Is what most of them will thing h because N Is still a place to advocate ond
would enable him to do any kind of job which would be sing about . Like if you're Into heavy metal. yousee people Implement values which I consider to have Integrity. In
reply satIfyhg-except play music . This is true of a lot of '.In{T about Satan, then you'N probably get In a band and o world like this, is necessary to create these islands of
kids, a lot of these guys whoa* rock' n'roi .rs-they haven't sing about Satan. If you'ro Into punk rock and hoar poopb different kinds of thought or rotundas to set up a con-
done through the normal things they were supposed to singing about how the govommont's tuckod, than you' trast, fo maintain some level of purity . If you don't have
have done when they were younger, you know, finished probably get in o bond and sing about how the that contrast, It's just one big swamp.
school. gone onto college, al this bukNt. Even me . I didn't ovemmont's lucked. You know, It's not hko everyone's Jeff: No, I agree with you . I 'm wry glad that there are
do It until much later. I'm in my mid-thlrtl .s and I'm di not really thought about these Issues and bot ovos those things people Ike youset who ore creating these pockets and
flshedwith school because I put it off, but I didn't abandon is more because it seems like the thingtodo. I mean,whikr making it possible for people to get some kind of siernathre
the idea altogether . ButloraIofofpeople school's odrog- I'm saying this, l don't mean to Imply that N's a question of values-I think that' s true.
It's opprossWe, arthoatalan, you know, school h a drag. I bands sitting down and consciously manipulating the sou MRR : Okay, but also, N does serve as a base ter eduoe-
mean high school Y one of the most horrible experiences Ion-'Weft, we realty want to fuck gas, let's Just pretend lion. However limited Its reach may be, N Is a way of
anyone can have. Nothing drains the wrhgoess to Warn Ike we're political.' I don't think its Me that-I think it 's just educating through example.
out of anyone mote than going to high schooL So you can hat people adopt this sort of political gloss. Just like they Jeff: Through example . or though . . .
understand al these people who are alenat . d. (nitrated, ear boots and GBH shirts. It's Just part of the whole thing MRR: Sethi Whatever you were going to say ...
they don't word to fit into mainstream society, but they hlch bokay-1 have nothing against that. but on the othor Jeff: I couldn't think of the word .. .fectushg.
don't have the sirs which would enable them to get any hand. In some cases, it's so obviously not genuko . You just MRR: Three, when you grow older, yes, We does gel
kind of sem1professional job that might male things mote have those slily bands singing about things when they don't harder, and there is a tendency to make compromises,
bearable . They only have a few options-they can exist in malty know what they're talking about . .when you soo to adjust your philosophy, to rationalise-even though
o dated perpetual they can be punk-rockers . play 'horn on stage you Just can't boliuvo thoy'tu sincoro . I'm that's a harsh word-In order to be a bit more corniced-
In the some cka», go d over the world, day cool, be ice .uro you must have this fookng o lot of times when you sou able.
BGK. ..you know, spend ten years playing h d the under- 'hem on stage. Jett: True.
ground places, but dr hove regular jobs. You're all stuck MRR: Uh-huh. MRR: In and of itself . that's not such a bad thing,
doing shit, and then you Just do this for robot, ra o hobby. loft : So It's nice that people are making opposition' although I lake strong exception to your block and while
That's one way of doing N. Two, you Just get out of music .taaoments, no matter how simplistic Choy may ho . anus Interpretation el *when you're filly and when you ' re
altogetherand endupdohg some skrhhJob, which iswrat raybo they'll Influence someone In the audience to do twenty' example . You may Indeed be able I . have
a lot of people ore going to end up doing . Three, you try to somothing Intelligent, but on the other hand hero ' s just o Insights a1 fifteen or twenty that are absolutely right on
use your musical ability, which is baskcaythe only quolfico• ' odnin amount of bogusness to the-thing. If It's not some the mark, In tact, It's more than likely that you wkl,
Lion you have for making money, or to do something for a thing that's o doop rooted gonulno attitudo, non why because you aren't olutt .red up wth o lot of bullshit.
career, and you begin to oorrvrercloke to someorient just o other? It's Just like afoshion,lt'sJust likoputting onabothot Jeff: I ogres with you completely.
so you con maybe make a living off what you' re doing. ocket-tdoesn't makethema different person, they're still MRR : Okay, and le maintain that insight throughout yow
That's reay the alternatMe-t you can't make a living off mode up of the some lucked-up values they otways wore. ul. Is no crime.
your music, then you're consigned to boding boxes at a but they're Just adopting this nhetofc, which Is all port of Jeff: No.
factory, orbeing a messenger. I can't read Morm a person Ming In. So that's why, like, I don't realty care . If someone MRR : The subject of being fifty and then looking back at
who doesn't want to do that shit . On a personal level, ff you says, 'Hey, we're Into ponying,' then you con take Not when you were twenty . . .I mean, obviously some people
look at N In a brooder perspecthe, you can say 'These 'eave It, you con say 'Wet, ( don't think you should be Into could look at me and say 'You haven't progressed of ail
people are caving in, giving in to the system' Well, yeah, rxarying,fuck you,' or you can say 'Wet I'm Into partying because you silt maintain these hard and lost rulesand
they are caving In to the system-but what's the dlerno- oo, let's party.' But I have much less respect for someone lines that you won't cross.'
thre? Mod peoples can't mdse o career out of opposing the ohocksimsorpretendstobesomething1 hat they aron't. or Jeff: Yeah, but you aren't o StolNq Ike you used to be, so
system. That' s the horrible molly. It isn't eon opposing the or phony, bogus po ak:d bulbhlt than I dolor somoono who you've mode some progress.
system, mod people can't make o career out of avoiding s just straightforward about what they wont, even if It's MRR : Ilul also, when you evolve, N doesn't have to mean
the most horrible aspects of the system I can't redly blame omeone I don't necessarily agree with That's all. I mean, that you evolve across ideologies, or whatever . ..
people who want to do that-I wo old probablydo the some n you see these heavy metal bonds, N's almost rofresh- Jeff: No.
thing 1I wos h that situation, N that was the only option I had. ng because N's so stupid and basic that they're just out MRR : .„you con also evolve vertically or In depth as well.
I wouldn't ra It . and then might be limits as to how far I t hole being themselves. Just being basic and stupid . You Jeff: No, that's true, that's exactly right. . .Ike I ca led my
would goo wouldn't be a session musician . or I waAdn't .4 now, take It or leave N on shelf own level. Nobody takes father about a yea ago, one of the more occasion when
play muscle, or I wouldn't make disco records, but maybe I them serlousyond theydon'toxpecttobetakenserbusy- I've actually faked to hkn, and I pointed out that years ago
woad turn a punk band into o mold band. At least you hat's wrong with that? he was using fhb safe argument, you know, 'Wet you'1
could then play something that was powerful and get an MRR : W.N, when you were talking earlier about main- change.you'Isee. . .' I said of =um nobody remains tithe
audience, and =took make money off It. I don't think aining your Integrity, or going through life. ., some place, but a person can refine their values ad idea
that's a cri me .. .the any the N's o cam . is when a band has loft l' mnotsurewhylsaidthat,Ithinkitwosthowronpword without necessco y transforming them I'm not sayIng that
previously been Intolerant of other peopleor adopted o don't know what that means. ( think Integrity moons everyone should go all and be a buke,sman . On the
hater-than'Ihou' attitude. like some of these people :omething different to you than It does to mo. To you conhory. I hate them mote than anyone . 1 Mks the problem
would wilts In to MRR and say 'Hey man, why ore you ntognty Is drawing a tine across which you'll never cross I that you're posing N as on ether/or question I mean.
promoting every bond that says ' fuck Reagan', any bond older any circumstances . There'sveryfewpeoplewhodo believe roe . I haven't changed ol that much, I'm all as
that cops any kind of bogus pottk:al thing?. You know, that. Tomas, Integrity means maintaining some somblanco hostile to the woad as I over was . I'm just hash to more
questioning whether slogane.kng was always such a wit of a real person that's not Just o caricature of o humor, things now. Before I used to ttis there were some things
Idea, aid at the tine I did think It was a good Idea-t was noing. Somebody whodoom'fjustgothroughaefrom one that hod vole e, but now I don't think onything . ..wet
good for people to make political statements, even If they nutsht thing to another bullshit thing . But there's another no ._Baskay. I Jut extend my hone criticisms towards more
ddn't .nhley below them, or even 1 they didn't entirely king. (mean . It's all well and good to draw a line when things as I get older . B4A I don't think of myself as, lire if I get
know what they were taking about, because at least t was you're twenty and say 'I'm new going to cross that line. my PhD. and get a Job as a professor somewhere . I don't
a beginng . You dart with a basic. slnpldlc, gld-level oven when t'mfey. . ' Uke,there'sacouple ofrealty funity thinkofthat as selling out . I thinks'+ only sting outwhen you
emotional reaction to something, and hopefuly that be- :logans.I can't remember who said them, but one goes' it reject your fundamental whims In order to gain materially.
comes more sophisticated over the yeas . and you learn o ou believe the same thing when you're fifty as you did MRR: You know, you wrote one ol the best articles, In my
little more about things and become a little more knowt- n you were twenty, you have to be a tool ' In other opinion, against rock-starYm, and here you are Justifying
edgeabie about Mr. I wonder 1 I bolero that anymore. I ords, t you haven't gone through some process of evotu some of the reasons for taking that road . There's a
almost have more respect for o band who err get up there ion, and transformed your Ideas In the course of new blurring, or an alteration, that's token place In your
on the doge and say. 'Hey, we wont to luck girls and was xpeaences and new knowledge that you've accumu perspective.
want to take drugs, and that's why we're h a band, we toted, If you're still maintaining the exact some single• Jeff : That's taw . But let me clarify what the alteration b . I
wont to porty,we're party an ndc .' I have more respect for mindedposltlonwhenyou'refiftyasyou dldwhen you wero haven't changed my bask idea about N. I di believe that
someone who comes up and admits that 'tors what they twenty, then that's. .. .btaame. There's another slogan that everything I wrote about rock'starlm, and everyttshg I
want to do than someone who realty wants to do that, but the conservatives often use, but which has a certain wrote about the larger hues. Y obsokaely collect . How-
claims that N' s . .that uses a political facade. amount ofvalidity to II ItNnk,'Nobody'saconservative until ever, on o human, indMclual *vol . now I can understand
MRR : Well, yes, okay, t N's that devious, then . .. 'hey have something to conserve .' why people would wont to do this . A lot of times, when
Jeff: I don't think it's a calculated plan . it's Just that, Mt's MRR: That ' s true. you're dealing with these larger iswws, the human dhen-
loc. t. Say you' re 16 . you're rely Into punk, you've lust off : N's like, when you're a young kid and you' re Just skin Just lab out of the picture . I thins of the things that
gotten Into punk, and you want to learn more about It, so hanging out on the sheet, it's very easy to have a radical has happened to me over the pat coupie of yeas, be-
you read M1 or you rood Makin. and 'Oh gosh, these attitude. cause I have become so cynical and hostile towards eve-
people are taking about Rogan and the goverment, MRR: Uh-huh. rything, I actually have more sympathy towards IndWlduals
and they don't Ice this or that . .. ' So you want to get into It, off: But as soon as you start confronting the actual reahtms than I used to . I used to be wry harsh, l used to treat certain
you want to patI spate In this ,Gene, so you Just adopt of how you're going to pay the rent and how you're going indM ual wry harshly before. Lk. Jock Rabid's a good
at . .It's Just Ike wearing o leather Jacket or spiking you hair. ,o eat, and once your final parental subsidies tun out . ..1 example . I mean, is that edtorld I savaged Jock Rabid.
Port of being o punk rocker nowadays, and MRR has played mean. as you got older, life doesn't get any easier. it got's Now I think M was right . So If he dr reads MRR, Jock, fm
some role h thY. is adopting a kind of antl'estabkhrnenl harder and harder, you're faced with less and less options. really sorry.
attitude . I mean that was always a part of N . . . n Just becomes very difficult to find anything you con do to MRR : Well, look of this Jelt . . .now you think Jock Rabid's
MRR : That seers like a very basin aspect of punk... hake btu satisfying or bearable . NM, My Mel load's nght.. .
 the term 'Revolutionary SociaNsm' to refer to Anarchism, Jeff: Well, part of the reason for that is because I used to be
Jeff: No, let me explain why Jock Rabid was right . AO he was
and another term, 'Authoritarian Socialism,' to refer to more sympathetic to the left, and when you realize the
saying . . .well, he wasn't saying punk sucked, or if he did say
conventional Marxism . So the reason I used the term shortcomings of something you once had some faith in,
that . I disagree with that .. .I don't rememberthe exact thing
Revolutionary Socialism back then to characterize myself there's more of a bitterness towards It.
I was responding to . On the other hand, he was one of the
first people to get out of the punk ghetto, to recognise that was because I wanted to say that I was Inclined towards MRR : Uh-huh.
hey, there's a lot more music out there that's not punk rock, anarchism, and also that It was okay to admit to being a Jeff : like, I've never had any faith in the right or the center,
Socialist, that M wasn' t a dirtyword — and yet, I wasn't realty so when I critisize the right or the center, I can do it in a more
that's pleasurable, enjoyable, and worth listening to . You
know, that you don't hove to ghettoize yourself into a a Socialist In any kind of traditional way, So, when I say I've lightweight way . I've always been oppose dto those values.
changed my attitude towards the left, it doesn't mean that whereas I used to be o supporter of certain 'leftist' values
thousand-mile an hour thrash slot for the rest of your life. You
So I feel more of o sense of personal betrayal when I seethe
con appreciate other kinds of music . And I think he was I was ever enormously Infatuated with the left, but I did used
kind of authoritarian stupidity that's characteristic of so
100% right about that . I think that his criticisms of punk were to consider myself 'a man on the left' in a generol sense—
certainly not in a Marxist on d never in an authoritarian or much of the left, and the kind of tunnel-vision and narrow-
o little bit too severe, a little too abrupt and perhaps short-
Stalinist sense . But now, I don't know, maybe M's because I mindedness and intolerance, basi cally. The Intolerance
sighted, but I think that his general feeling that there's more
live in Berkeley.. .I mean, when you five in Berkeley . you see that is characteristic of the left is no different from the
to Ilfe than punk rock is 100% correct . That's why I feel I
evidence of this kind of idiocy on the left—the some kind of intolerance on the right, no different at al. So that makes
jumped on him incorrectly on that issue . As for as Mykel
Board is concerned, well, you know, Mykel Board is such an Idiocy that you're quick to crltisize when rightist and centrists me angry . I used to kid myself that there was something
do M In another context . Unless you're a hypocrite . unless different about It, but now I don't think there's anything
incredible jerk M's beyond belief . But that's what's so great
you're using a double standard. you just have to say to different and better about M . You know, I thinkthe terms left
about him, he's a no-bullshit kind of a guy .— well, I won't say
yourself . 'Look these people are fucked up . ' So, If Mykel and right are almost irrelevant at this point . To me, you're
that about him, he's actually a total bufshtt kind of a guy.
Board Is talking about the incredible intolerance and stupid- either an authortorian or an anti-authorianon, you ' re either
Let's just say that the reason I like Mykel Board is that he's not
ity and authoritarianism of certain radical feminist cliques. In favor of decentrol¢ation of power and giving more
of raid to express opinions which are going to offend people,
and I always like that . Also, the reason he and I see more I'm one hundred percent behind him on that . There was a people access to decision-making—which I om—or you ' re
great cartoon that was in the Guardian some years ago in favor of the centralization of power and decision-making
eye-to-eye nowadays is that some of the targets he's been
that had a radical feminist in bed with Jerry Falwell . The by 'competent experts' for the ' benefit' of the majority . If
harping on for a long time, I have become critical of, I Just
basic Idea was that both of these people, with their respec- you think that a small number of people know what's best
explained how I've gone through this process of being
much more harshly critical of things that I used to be more tive types of censorship, are restricting freedom and ram- for the majority, then you're an authoritarian.
sympathetic to, which I would chorocterite as the left in ming their agendas down other people's throats, and rm MRR: Well, I know that your personal outlook on human-
totally In agreement with that . I am adamantly opposed to ity Is pretty caustic—you get upset when animals get
general. In other words . I now think the left Is Just as fucked
up as anything else, even more so In some respects . Again. any sort of censorship . Always have been and always will abused, but when it comes to people, you've never
here we would have to subdivide and talk about different be. So, when I say I'm more inagreement with Mykel Board. been too sympathetic.
aspects. which I would be happy to do . But the basic point it's not that I agree with his excessive remarks, or that I take Jeff : But that's because people ususally have some means
some of his shock value things senous)y—although I always of defending themselves, usually, whereas animals don't
I'm making is that In retrospect, I think I was overtly chari-
think they're funny—but that I now find myself bitterly MRR: But my point is this : on the one hand you seem to
table towards 'progressives' and certain aspects of the left
oppossed to some of the targets he's been attacking for say that democracy is necessary, while on the other
I mean, I've never been a leftist . I've never been a leftist in
some time now . that's all. hand, your distrust of humanity is so huge that, well, why
the sense that I've never been a Marxist . I disagree with
almost everything about orthodox morxism - Its theory of MRR : It seems almost too easy . In this society, the right's not authoritarianism?
got , like, 99% of the power, and Mykel focuses on this Jeff : This s o problem . I mean, I do have an enormous
history, Its overemphasis on economic factors, its scientific
very small group of people as easy pickings . Sometimes, contempt for most people, including myself—I don't want
pretensiors. . .Even when I described myself ma Socialist, like
In discussions with you . I feel like you have the some to make it seem like I'm above anybody. I think most people
that time in the Ripper . I didn ' t mean a Socialist in the Marxist
focus—that your criticisms of the left are the things that are greedy, slimy fuckwods who are basically interested in
sense at al ; in fact, I used the term in the way that this fellow
their own self-gratification and their own self-oggrandtie-
Guerin used M In this book he wrote on Anarchism He used you get most excited about .
 ment, and ususaiy they cover this selfish behaviour behind or Idealize It are spored rich kids going through their ' slum- he s ructures hat cause these 7n'': . o compromnos. • ul I
on rhotorIc about whatthey're doing . !think moot ming it' phase . That's why I don't really give a still if a bond hirer you're wrong to personally attack people, unless
people are basically short-sighted and sell centered and makes music that isn't as underground as N once was, as those people literally sell out their own values.
not concerned with much of anything but what affects long as N's still good . I it's still got some power and some MRR: Obviously, In this case, we have disagreements,
them directly. And yes, I do have enormous contempt for guts, I mean, lf someone wants to make music and they `• nd o lot of times the magazine has disagreements with
the mainstream population in this country, but the reason I happen to make money doing It, that's perfectly okay with i•• loos people, but it's not a personal thing . To me, 0'
have contempt for them is that they can't se e .. . .wel, I have me . Why shouldn't they make money? Why should Ma- ▪n educational thing . For people to learn how it
more contempt for the people wh o. . ..wer, here's the prob- donna make $25 zillion dollars and somebody who ' s got ubtle ttaneformalions . ..t mean. I'm hearkening back to
lem. I have enormous contempt for people in power—who something to say and is halfway decent make S2? he '60'e. I'm looking at what happened to most of the
ore not only inept but who ore moon-spirited, shod-sighted. MRR: To me, I guess the bottom line with the whole (people my age. It wasn't lust an overnight pr 1
stupid and se Wish—you know, elites are like that everywhere, underground thing wasn't only the money, but the bore one day people were radical hippies and the not
not Just here . On the other hand, the very fact that the whole structure . It wasn't the lyrics which were the most day they were yuppies . It didn't happen Ilk* that . 11's •
majority of people don't realize that, and don't want to kick Important thing, but whether you backed up the lyrics ubtle process of rollonailzatlon and compromise.
these people's butts out of their positions of power, Indi- wIh your actions. uff. True, But !think Ihuru's one thing you're forgetting
cates to me that they're not on y better. So, lf you were to Jeff: That's right. •bout. thehipplesoreogood example . ihofoci b,youhod
ask me what I would like to see, yes. I would like to see MRR: So II o band sings 'money stinks' or 'capitalism • Idea about most hippies that was totally unsealistic.and
popular participation In things. I would like to see people sucks' and 'hen only plays for $3,000 dollar guarantees, • • did L We were more serious about Wand we ass
becoming more aware, I would like to see people having !would say there Is some kind of fundamental contradic- hatdlthesoothetfuckwodswereJustlicewewere . Thefoct
some ability to affect the decisions which are node about tion there. if the matter IS, most of them wore Just party guys, they
their Ives . On the other hood, most of them aren't even Jeff: Well would say there's a contradiction there too, one oundokttle group of people they could hang out with and
interested In these things. And this is the other thing . I moon, which I would obviously not be happy about . But on the parywlth and get now dugs with and luck gbh told
for those of us who are concerned with these burning other hand, and I think from a more realistic point of a nice situation, a nice, comfortable counter-culturo
political issues, we think the rest of the world is also con- vlew. . ..like, you have to see N this way .. .there's this otter a community—which Isfun,of course Wo g un—but.O you think
cerned with these things—wel the rest of the world Is not five structure that's been created by the punk scene, and bock on the people you know. In retrospect, or oven then
concerned with them. You know• most of the world Is only others too—there are other alternative structures—and• I had suspicions about a lot of the people I was 'fronds'
concerned with one thing—whether they're living in a state fine. These things that exist ore great. They're outside the rth. I hod a certain amount of contempt tot t hem, or I sow
of reasonable comfort, whether they have food on the mainstream capitalist, budishi commercialized system, but, hat thoro was something not genuine about them. So, It
tabs, a roof over their head• that they're not working 25 there's always going to be new people going Into those didn't surprise me at dl whoa those people eventually •
hours o day. Most people ore concerned with basic neces- structures. I think this Is true, Just when you look at the of. I think Ihul the puupkr wire wow nsoro restore (show
sities and basic aspects of their lives—they're not con- demographics of the punk scene—you see people leaving, things generally did slay, or troop wore wmrbksncu of thus
cerned with the fucking peasants In El Salvador . So yes. If and you see new blood coming h Ina way. I think N's better nIdvalues The sell-outs were mainly the ones who Jumped
somebody were to ask me what kind of system I would Ilke to constantly see turnover . It keeps It more vibrant. When on the bandwagon to:all the wrong reasons. floors why I's
to see, I'd like to see on 'Anarchbtic'—and I only use the people get older, or they chonge, or they just get tired of Just .eying thoro's o dangornowwith theso young kkis who get
term In its technical sense, and It doesn't mean chaos Ike all playing three chords, or get tired of Just making S 10 a night, nto the punk scene and cop those attitudos—It's lust o f •
these people still think—I think there should be a decentral - and they want to get out of It and they wont to get Into they're going through, they're just getting Into this aroma
ized system where people are involved in making decisions. something else, so what? As long as they don't do some- r e community. It's like o cool thing that makes them feel
MRR : Okay, but this Is on the theoretical level . . thing that's totally ogaInst the values they once espoused. food for awhile• but you can tell, you know for o fact
Jeff: In reality, I think most people• because they 've been MRR : Well, I guess that's where we disagree—what are most of these kids ore going to be stockbrokers or. . .
systematically brainwashed and systematicory manipu- those values and at what point have you gone on so far RR : Oh yeah, a lot. , .
lated—I mean . In a sense they've been encouraged to be that you do end up In opposition to what your values elf: So .we'retdldngaboutasnuatbnwherethesepeopl
selfish. were? eren't all that serious to begin with, and you can't
MRR : It that's what you feel In a practical way, then, and Jeff : Yeah• but who determines that? Are you determining • lame them bterfornot staying sallow . Anyway your polo
given your antipathy towards punk or the punk scene or that for everybody, or what? bout the procossof comprombesbeing slow and gradual
movement or however you want to characterize It, then MRR: I determine that loom my own point of view. Is right ; lf's a von, dangerous and pernicious process. V
aren't you saying "Okay, I don't believe In what lured to Jeff: But the point is that everybody's got their own point of avo to constantly be aware of It and constantly took at
believe In . I don't think its real, and I'm out for Jeff now. view. hat you're doing, to try to be aware of how you ore
I'm going to blur some of these hard-and-fast definitions MRR: That's right . The only way anything gels dealt with _hanging . But 1 think It's wrong to make It seem co If one
that I used to have, and I don't think people who are Is If you have discussion, concensus . .. .lhat's how values here were or these totally cool people who alter awhile
doing some scull are as bad as I used to think'? You can get established on a societal level, right? It's II enough become assholos—most of them were Jolla to begin with
be seen like that. people agree with If, then that's what N Is. MRR: No, we've new NN Ilk. that, In defense of MRR
Jeff: I think that's a very cynciol, narrow point of view . I Jeff : Yeah, but I' s not usually a process of conscious disagree with your earlier accusation that we were
mean, WI was only interested in Jeff Bale . I would have gone ogre ement, N's usually o process of subliminal osmosis, after • artly responsible for the spread of that superflclallly . 1
to law school or done something that any moron can do we get socialized to believe things. hInkourcomm)tmsnlwasalwoystoadddepth toI
and many morons do do. I would have been working In a MRR: Right—but, from my point of view, there are o lot I• • ginning feelings people had—those vague, gut•Iw
corporate law firm making S50 .S60, maybe S 100,000 dollars of people who at one point advocated one thing, who actions to lire and society. We are trying to
a year now. Before we were talking about what it moons to don't now, and who turn around and say' Well, okay, this omething.
draw a lire, what N means to cross a line, wet there is a is a process of maturation, or. . .' eft: No.I agree that that was what we were trying to do
certain Ire . . . Jeff : I don't see It as a process of maturation, I don't see N But . glventhe fact that most people misconstrue Ihings ...
MRR : Where is the line? as a positive thing. Lel't make one thing clear. I don't see matter what you propose, there's always going to be
Jeff: That's for each person to decide. these things os positive . I don't see the fact that somebody oople who take things ono supeslclol level I wasn't reol
MRR: For you? decides to make money on their music os positoe, but I roaming MRR for that . But, you mentioned my antipathy
Jeff: Well, for me I would not do something that was totally don't condom N as o heinous crime against humanity . Itnk owards the punk scene . I don't teary have any antipathy
antithetical to my own values . That's all I can say. Having I's perfectly understandable from a personal point of vfew. owards punk . I wont to clarity this right now . I love punk
fun and being a hedonist Isn't antithetical to my values and That's where we cdlflor, I think. I don't hold It ogoInst hock, I st dllike a lot of the people that l knowlrom f he scene—
sot don't have objections about that . 1 have no objection anybody, wet. . .It depends on how fa against what they r mean most of them, Hove . you know. It's not that I
to working for a University, even though N's o big 'muNl- once said they go .. . .but I don 't hold ti against someone • nything against punk rock at at Espckzllyvls~ots external
death corp.' Of course, in on ideal world, you wouldn't who ' s going to rooks o moody living off of making music, as • roups . I mean . anytime anybody outside the scene
wont to work for any organization that had any negative opposed to someone who's going to make a measly living • nything negative about punk, I Jump dl over them. •
connections with anything, but we don' t Pee In a world like off of loading boxes of day. To me, that's perfectly okay or, ourse, most of the time they don't coon know any'
that. Even i you're on welfare or SS1, you're serving as a perfectly understandable, not perfectly okay . I don' t hold • bout punk nor ore they Interested In It, but nevertheless
Wing Justification for the extension of state power and state It against them. On the other hand. I don't think It's good. hen the subject does come up . I jump dl over the bat-
control Basicaly, lf they ' re willing to pay me to do research How could you think It was good when the system has so w& I mean, generoiy speaking, the only person I say
that I think is important and which I find Interesting, then I'm much power to co-opt everyone's values like that—It's negative things about punk rock to Is you It Isn't any
perfectly happy to do that . That's about of I expect out of obviously not good N'sa horrible sttuation . but there's really antipathy, but lust that I . myself, am no longer willing to put
Ire at this point. I don't think that's selling our . You might no way to avoid N• I don't think . There's no way to avoid, enormous amounts of time and effort Into the punk scene
thhnr so, but tome, someone's who's selling out is someone living In a society like we We In. or any modem Industrial Iso,whenIgoto punk shows these days,loltenflndmyself
who disregards principles altogether and is Just Interested in society, or even the Soviet system for Christ's sake—even ery dissatisfied—everyone's really young . I feel like r
self-satisfaction. though they're supposedly being Inculcated with drferont een It all before. It's been very roe In recent times for me
MRR : My definition of selling out —and this basically values, I'll wager that most people there are Just as 'or- toleelasthoughohardcoreband hascaughfmylmoglna
applies only to people who, either through education or centered as they are here. When you're In these of ion, or has made me feel as though they did something
slim. fluke of life experience, do know what is going on, encompassing co-optive systems, what can you do? Most hotter thonwosdone threeyeatsogo .orlonger. lhat'spart
and do fight II—and then slop lighting It and to a greater people are going to make their pence with N, eventually, on of the reason. It's not that I have anything against the
or lesser degree . make their peace with the system. some level It doesn't mean that they're going to join the scene, It's lust that onapeisonallevel . I Just don't enjoy if as
Jeff : People can maintain their fundamental values about Pepublicon Party, but they're going to make their peace much lintel) out to underground rock ihows and clubs
things but not be willing to consign themser to object with N on some level A few people ore going to stand firm he time. but usually it's not the punk gigs.
poverty for the rest of their lie . I hate these assholes who go and hold the fort and criticize everybody eke—you know, . You don't go out there and mash!
around romanticizing poverty because there's nothing Ilkeyou. I'm plod there's people around Oro you. BrA on the off; No. I don't go out there and mush . I'm golfing to •
romantic about poverty . I know becouse I grew up In other hand, I think that you ore wrong tool mean, you ore awimpinmyotdage . But at leastldon't sitontheftoor
Impoverished condttIons . The only people who romanticize right to recognize the fucked-up nature of the system and hold hands We the peace punks do .


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pearance of two house mikes which 'myste-
riously' reappeared in their van) and
Twisted . Speaking of Twisted, there was a
weird incident with them when they played
Gilman . llvoyoung kids were doing an inter-
view with them for their zinc, and asked
them what they thought of nazi skin activity.
Two of the members of the band are bt pq
skins, and apparently alluded to the face
that rey really thought it was ok and didn't
bother them. Word of this_ got to me that
night, so I mentioned it to ctor, who said
we should listen to the tape and sec . in the
process of listening, the 2 skins came over
and were pretty beigerent. After the show, an ernan .o aley- u . \ ., s tut
Bay Area- A few odds and ends— There they came looking for the kids, saying the the fuck up . Quit volir 1 as-1111W :tll tuu .cn
really oesn't seem to be much of a 'scene' kids were trying to nix their record deaf with ink. This my up ends is the scene report Irani
in S.F . proper. Though lots of people are still Alchemy, and they were going to beat the he Welcome to wino country .salad \l'rl-
around and doing things, there's not too kids up . We got them slowed down long eonte to the S .i Fernando ealicv.
much of a focus. enough for the kids to beat it out of there, NORTH I IC)i .1 .Y\\'[u_tU/VAN NI:t 'S,

Gig wise the Farm does some HC very scared . Victor took the tape home to Birth place of the word "dudc Not shows or
shows, and for bookings call (415) 826- listen , and eventually it made its way back clubs so one is farted to l ;iv ixt ics or to hi t
a1
4290. The Mab has a few, and Arabella is the clubs 'over the hill" (hut what about
doing some of the punk shows so give her a promoters such as Golden oicc? Well, to the
call at (415) 621-2764 . in the East Bay best of my understanding, it the band in
there's an occasional show at the Twilight question is not of the Venice/Speedntctal
Zone in Alameda . so try Tux at (415 769- variety then forgel it.
0198, as well as Gilman Street at (415) 648- t3ands : TIih GRIM : Probably the most
3561 . There has been an upsurge of violence well-k own of the valley bands . The boyz
at city shows, but even there the promoters have an EP out on Mystic with another 7" or
are thinking of ways of curtailing skinhead so to come . Rumored to be recording an LP
problems, as we have done at Gilman . Eve- for Alchemy : . . . TI 1E UN1)ERMINI)EDi I have
rybody seems pretty fed up . If all the locales rto idea, t miss them every time they play but
work to deter these excesses, it will stop. l'm sure that they deserve the plug . (future
This comes on the heels of headlines in local unknown) . . . INCISION : Back with a
Papers about a racial incident in San Jose vengence . Fast/ hard/ loud and crazy, these
involving skins, which has made life difficult guys are God . . . L.A .'s INFiDEi .7, : Surf/
for all bald people, regardless of politics. psyco/ monster/ hood-core (you figure).
In S .F . a bit of band news . FORE- The best valley band ever (if you've written
THOUGHT has a new guitarist (someone these guys you're bummed because some-
from MX-80 SOUND) and singer (political one.sentou t the wrong !midi n g address new
activist and poet Peter Plate)— should be ore sopn,.aee these guys or they will eat
interesting . CLOWN ALLEY trying to re-
roupp with new drummer Chris, formerly of
sled (the one guy in that band who
seemed pretty cool--more on that later).
SOCIAL UNREST heads to Europe ((should
be there now), as well as DRi and LE•TI-IAL
GOSPEL, and Fresno's CAPITOL PUNISH-
MENT is soon to follow . VERBAL ABUSE is
out on the road as is FANG . Back off the
road are SHORT DOGS VICTIMS FAMILY
and FRIGHTWIG . FLIPPER re-emerges spo-
radically, and was to play at a 'blotter acid
art show opening at the S .F. Art Institute, to the kids—with that interview erased, by
the place from which many an early S .F. Chris of Twisted . Very strange)
punk band spawned . Speaking of which, NO Also bogus was an incident with 2
ALTERNATIVE apparently pleased many members or- BLAST! When MOCK (from
with their recent show . Alo back from the Santa Cruz) played one night, Mike, agguitar-
dead is San Jose's RIBZY, as well as 2 ist of Blast) was one of their roadies . At some
offshoots of Berkeley's old JARS, they bein point, besides getting stinking drunk (some-
BO (doin all Bo Diddley covers) and GAIL thing that can get ilman shut down), the
THE FUIJGEPACKERS (with a fun '717-( roadies locked themselves in a side room,
a sound, including Gail Warning of KA X and before we could force our way in there,
and Pope Paul Pot) . speaking of KALX, they had the clothes off a passed out woman. urdogand piss inyour car . (hey Dennis G.
it was once the bestAnd of college staions, but We tried to find out what was going on, but g Panama, bow's the army?) . ., BAD SA-
much internal wra p lin with the admini- they stonewalled us, cussing us out vehe- MERITANS : They're Mexican they're pis-
stration has gotten o1 many of the old mently . Clifford, Blastst's singer, was also on sed, they have guns SiC) .'I wouldn't let
really knowledgable rid DJ's . and their sound hand, also very drunk and kept defending ~}rdati hterdatethem, iitchenliveshow . ..
suffers. their actions, saying...Mat'sjust how life is SKF.I.A RE Stoner-core reportedly gone
New vinyl coming from MDC, who etc. I've known him or years, had never had alarmmetaL . . FAMILY DISATER : The bait-
sound better again, as well as a Midwest any problems with him, but had never seen art attack returns with a new line-up . I can
jaunt . NAKED LADY WRESTLERS are re- him drunk (it doesn't become him, believe hear t ei r millions of fans cheering " F. D . ,
cording too . S .F.'s DEAD JACKSONS will me), and had never been aware of such an F . D .,T at's the band I want for me . . . '1'11E
have an LP soon, too . Look for upcoming attitude. Maybe it was just a freak, a bad WALK-l(V-Kl£ .LE RS : Line-up change, Steve
vinyl from 3 DAY STUBBLE on Fartblossom. night, but it left a very sour taste in many returns from Camarillo mentaloapital.
ATTITUDE will have something coming out former fan's mouths. (Ideas whose corniri to dinner ma? It ain't
in Germany as well . Also look or vin lrom One 'bigger" band that did make a good Sydney Portier, it's your worst nightmare,
The BEATNIGS, a great punk/funk/indus- impression lately was the Adolescents . They its the Walk-in-killers . Grunge-core . ..
trial band, sort ofe the Last Poets meets Gilman for no guarantee, though VIRULENCE : Not really locals (actually from
early Dcvo . SHORT DOGS GROW have a 7" they did play earlier the same evening at the the San Diego area) but since Mark (their
coming out, including their version of Mab fora sizeable reward . Their attitude was bass player) lives here it gives them local
'Straight Edge" . The Gilman Street double T' great they enjoyed the atmosphere at Gil- Credit . Touring with Blast and have an EP
comp should be out soon, featuring 11 man (said it was the most fun show for them out soon . Kind Black Flag/SSD/Blast
young bands . CHRISTON PARADE's new LP in years), and had no rockstar pretentions. sou nding. . .BUTT CI .EVAG E : Long tonebu t
should be out by now on Mind Matter/ Also cool were Adrenalin OD, who had many the recta assail continues . Buy their new 7"
Rough Trade, and they are changing the van problems but still put on a couple of fun on Vamp/SubDcath records . . . DETHKOR:
line-up, with Malcolm retiring . Sacra- shows with no 'elevated' attitudes. Youth Of Death metal reportedly so hip that tbey
mento s IDENTITY CRYSIS have an EP out Today also put on a stirring show, taking on recorded their demo is the garage of Satan
or. Mystic. UNDESIRABLES have an album some of the skins that came to see them by himself. . AOD £ins from the wrong
out on Golden Star (KWiK WAY's label). denouncing violence and racism . It's a rarity side o the trax . .. RF7 : Back with a new Lp.
NEUROSIS will have an LP on Alchemy to see a band risk their popularity by calling Rock oul Dudesi . . I .D .K . : Van Nuys s cd
someday, as will RKL, as will just about fans on their bullshit . Power to em. metal in a Slayer vein: not bad . Actualy y do
every punk band in North America it seems. When in town, there are a few decent slot of local shows. Keep it up boys . . . FATAL
Victor is signing them fast as hell, with new record stores to check out . Rough Trade and ERROR : Still around somewhere . ..
additions beinggichi an's Jim Jones & The Reckless (and Berkeley's Raspulins) have ok JOF(NNEY AND TIlE DIRTCLODS : Gioom
Kool Aid Kids, L.A .'s The Grim (who caused selections, but recently Record Vault has t~yyppe~ TSOL sound, Make-up and coffin
many problems when they played Gilman, provided the best selection of indie punk shappeed amps . Fighting for freedom or trilling
including incessant drinking, and the disap- stuff around . More later, Tim . the innocent?, you decide ., . $DF Disco love


sods the v arc . PsvcicYouth meets the Village I' eir 2n • • emo 's ;T~ 1 a is • oin well new address at the end of this thin Oh,
eo )le on PCP at 2 t3uttholcs show . I've seen also look for an soon e is $Z pp also on the label, Head On Straigf t tape
God SOFr : Porn sound track music from so write for it • • a 1111 (Last Option/ P.O. Box comp with 11 bands including lnstec, False
hell . Zipa dcc doo doh . . . DARKER Cl IEZE: 1/ Scottsdale AZ 85271 . I m1 ht ad Liberty, I lalf Off, Kids For Cash, Think Tank
and more plus a booklet so check it out
There's no drilc like darker chew . . . THE DESECRATION and LAST OPTIONgJust go
REVERANI) ADAM [ .APA : Still crankin' out ack from a successful trip to G ($4 d) . if you've ordered something and
those disco lolrc songs that make the girls varehouse in Berkeley. still haven't recieved it yet, hold tight . We got
swoon. YOUTH UNDER CONTROL have add'. swamped with mail and had to enlist some
P,lROIBLEM5 Eve rvbodv has their head at 2nd guitar, and have lots o new songs. help . Big thanx to Chad Again and Fred
up their ass Mc, I'm so lull of chit my eves Look for a second demo soon to blow the firs Swartzenegger in Oxnard.
arc brown .. Gang problems, the usual skin ne away' Hope you caught them in LA . An I guess the next thin up would be tines
had plague exists (not welcome here by all the who can set up shows out of town leas'. and a really hot up and commer is
means, grow up or grow your hair and join te . Info, stickers shirts . . .write(You Generation . Brady has a rad second issue
the klan assholes : you're not wanted here,) Under Control do Jason/ 935 W . 011a/ out now with Verbal Assault, Youth Quake,
'SOLUTIONS : Well . onee you talk too Mesa, AZ. 85202). Random Killing, plus tons of other stuff so
much shit you're bound step i n t he over-flow A.R.R have a new drummer that give. send $1 and a stain to 51 12 Jesse James
and rt's nett most pleasant tastint ; cxperiance 'cm an edge . They have a cool tape for 82,
when you finallput your foot in your pd write (A .i .RJ 1500 W. Mission Ave
mouth, if something bothers y9u then do handler, AZ 85224) . OBLIQUE MIND.
sotmtet.hing about it or shut the luck up . If have changed their name to SOME KIND 01 .
you think you've got ct bad put up or shut WEIRD DEAL) TI IING, and also added a 2n
up, bea man (or a woman what ever the case tcuttar . They put on a rockin show, so look fo
may be). them.
CONCLUSION : Why should you care New bands worth a mention : B .M .R .C.
about the $FV? Because bands like min from the west side put on a rockin first
AMERICA'S iUARDCORF:, DISCI3II4TY, show . Also look for INTENDED GESTURE
SECTION EIGHT. TOURIST, RED SCARE, nd CHOICE OF DIRECTION.
BASIC MATH . were all from the valley ; hey Zinc wise: tdc.,t lino has finally
even the DICKIES and FEAR supposedly got #3 out andallordersarcbelt ' filled . A1s(
have members which reside here . Enough S. u has changed it's name to • -orward
said . Jack Steele m • = s just released a hot comp • pe, a
ay split live tape with Last O tlon You
U nd
Under Control and Huntin on leach'
Back To Back . The tape is $2 . to : Ste
Forward/ 1926 E . Caroline/ 'Tempe,
85284. Also bands, write for future comps. Dr ./ Edmond OK 73034 . Next is my zinc
••O••SS•• 71 should be out now ; it's a ho
AAO j,oitering. The latest is offset printed, u
. Write o Rich 1515 E . Bell de Mar sized, and has interviews with 7 Seconds
Tempe, AZ 283. li #3 out now. Uniform Choice Verbal Assault, and Halt
838 N . Rogers/ Mesa, 1. la= o Off. Send $ 1 .25 to : 1008 Mississippi/
Daisies is a cool art poet zinc : a• t a Lawrence Kansas 66044 . That is also the
th/ Phoenix, AZ 85040) . i . • Con new address for PYA Records or anyone in
It 1 is out great zinc is 50e and 2 stamps .•. Face
Box 1951 Mesa AZ85201) . rat lb t in ou First .
Face #1 should be out now ; s sec Wi 1 ess that's about it . Thanks to all my
s (935 w. 011a/ Mesa , AZ 85202). four) friends for being there and to all who've
Well, that's about it for now, let' s hop( el ed us out . We llmiss ya . See you later
Pltoen x- And this is the happen that more people start caring and workin and i am outta here . -Darren
ng Lot's of stuff bringin this scent for this scene . stay always true to y P .S . if I left anyone out then you can
own, though a lot of people care there ar ason XXX/ 935 w . 011a/ Mesa, AZ ur 2 write the next one of these . Deal?
more who don't.
Shows: PRISMS does the $8 .00 and ul
shows: this place is really weak and simply
ookin for the cash. A few local bands havt
armed playing here, so if you want to pla
there and you can about otr scene, thin
lain. STEP FORWARD is doing shows at
t c Jar In Phoenix. If you want to play in ou
please call: Jack (602) (831-07680) o
Eric 602)838-5598.
On the band front: The biggest news 1
ESECRATION have finished —recording
full LPI It will be released on a split reco
th Subverse on Manic Ears Records. The
'tee also looking to release it in the US, so an
abels get in touch . (write Desecration/ P .0
Box 195/ Mesa, A'Z 85202) . LAST OPTION :
Howdy! Well, it's been quite awhile Orval: t- HOWDY! It's been about a year
since there's been an OK scene report so since you heard from us, and man, have
seeing as how I'm etting outta here I khin s changed . We have seen many good
thought I'd go ahead- and try to sum up bands conic through, and many halls close
what s happened since you heard from us their doors . but we re still going strong.
last.
Anyg~ood scene has to have bands
right? Well ma be that explains it.
First oil, I don't know much about the
Tulsa area so i won't even pretend to . I have
heard that NOTA Is back together with Jeff
being the only remaining original member.
Other than that ?????
A little closer to home are those crazy
art/ damage/ acid dudes, the FLAMING
LIPS They are still at it and far from dead yet.
For booking get ahold of Michelle at (405)
329-5982 . Also, if you are wanting to play
around here give her a call and she can
maybe work something out but don't hold
your breath as shows here are few and far
between.
Next up is FACE FIRST . We've managed
to stick it out for two years now, and have a
5 song El' ($3 ppd a little extra for overseas
pplease) out on our own label PYA Records.
They are almost gone so if ya want one I'd
send for it pretty pronto . We also went on a
week excursion, romp, outing recently with
our now good buddies the Asexuals and I'd
like to thank them, Underdog, Life Sentence,
and everyone who helped us out and put us
up . You guys were the best . Anyway, we
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eF'ii oriented rag that is quite formtdablle. ,roue a ot, an• ave eve o ~ quite
tt Following. They also got bitchen -shirts tha
608550 eh2ddeals Wiith Ahat/dcorvojmetai lots of people are wearing. They probabl
and skating. It's $1 .00 ppd. OWL gonna play for a while 'cause Ted thet
Well, that's it for now . hopefully, we will drummer, a drummer for the SWANS also, i
be snore in touch in the future . - going on tour to Europe for a while, got that
Later . Chris Ventura (Mom, could you fix the last sentence fo
P.S. 1tave a happy life in California Inc?)
THRASH
ASHEA1)1l Another old Favorite . I.ETCI I PATROL.
'ot themselves in , • , - • ' -
he 1987 edition. n , • wren a
Bowie and Madonna . film, are those name
capitalized in MRR?) Also Patrol threw ou
t heir old drummer and is using the drumr"c
Imm ARTLESS. The drummer from ART

First off, I'm otnsY, to mention l)r-astie

Plastic (419 S . lath SL] the local record
(skateboard) t-shirt shop . Mike and l.ix
Howard, the owners, have contributed a lot
to the scene here for the past five years . And,
just recently Mike started Fat Brat Records;
Twenty years ago was The Summer of
Love. Not so anymore . Back then they
kissed one another, gave each other flowers,
made love, turned on, and tuned out . Now.
twenty years later, people behave differently.
No more kissing (you might get AIDS) . N(
more flowers who needs romance) . No men
making love `AIDS, again) . No more FUN.
Mere Is a video ame called 'CONTRA' on
St . Marks place . You put a quarter in . ant
Rambo kills for your country . Down Hu
lock, at CBGB's, you can pay S5 dollars,
nd play Rambo yourself. Jst pick of
poop a smaller than you . It's easy. Ant
maybe, if you're not into that on a certau ARTLESS
ay, you can try something else. flow abou
cng a cool punk rocker? Just put on you
)lack clothes, put on your make-up, put oe
our attitude, and go to the Lizmar Loungt
w c is •en . in so art e Stupi . s, re- r Aztec, where you too can be vampire -
(loos Wax Drippings, and APATHY . They're me of the living dead . But hey, if that stun
great people. ain't no FUN, why not lust go to Tempkin.
Band-wise things have been really going, Square park . It's FREE! For absolutely n
money, you can fight, piss, watch fights. an LESS is also playing dums for the FALSI'
have a good old time . Yes sir, this is Ne PROPHETS, 'cause the FALSE PROPH
ork _ f y and this is the SUMMER 01' drummer can't tour. The Artless drumme
will tour with the Prophets, but whose Bonn
OK . So, first things first. Some reader. drum for the Patrol and the Artless? And, t
may have noticed that there has not been they find drummers, who will Mike dru
scene report lately. Things got fucked up. for? Who's Mike? The drummer for the Lctc
-old I'm sorry. I did write one a couple o PATROL, ARTLESS and FALSE PROPH
months ago, but my Mom sent it to Aileron of course . Urrgh.
live Tentacles by occident . What the fuck. gotta quicken it up . FALS
he's my Mom. 'The record label, the maga- PROP1 lt TIS have an album coming out Sept
.Ine, what's the difference? They're aii I I . I hope. Oh god do I how. Oh pease lei I
unch of nice people . Oy.' But an y . thi. come out . Oh Godi Oh God! This is silly
is the new scene report. My Mom wilt proo ARTLESS get back from their tour in on
reit, she'll say she likes it, feed me sou piece . PORNO DR4CULA have been gt)ggin
for dinner (I got a cold, sniff-snill, and then, around and are planning to do an album.
tommorrow, she'll mail the scene report t ED GEIN'S CAR DAMAE, RITUAL TEN
SION, and a couple of other bands go
albums out on CBGB records . They
recorded live and sound really_ good. EX
PLETIVE DELETED have an E .Y. commin
out soon . Thet got a newvdrummer who is ou
old drummer, and he drums for anothe
band and . .. . 'STOP'LHATn!' Sony.
TRIP SIX got a great tape out and yo
an write for It and info a( c/ .
McAdam' 40 Clinton St. a NY
10002. These uys are really good . f(cith
ho plays Th1P SIX, also plays for ULT
VIOLENCE . They got a new tape out also
You can write for It at Charlie Sciafani
a lot of talented folk have come forth. c23-75 St/ Brookyn, NY, 11228 . Pun
KO
A.P . (415 N . 36th Ave/ Omaha, NE 6811 I), Latch', these bands have been ppia n
Who've: been going strong for three years,
have released an excellent studio cassette, around alot : SIDE BY SIDE ALTERCATIO
and have ben phiving a lot . They show a lot BREAKDOWN, YOUTH OF TODAY, BOLD
of-potential,. APATI-W have been working RACKDOWN, CRUCIAL YOUTH ATROC
hard on putting out material on vinyl . They ITV. LEEWAY NUCLEAR ASSAULT AG
combine elements of punk and metal to NOSTIC FROIJT, WARZONE, SIX AND ViO
achievea unique yet origna) sound . SOME- LENCE, THE UNREAD, etc. New York
THING`SACItE1) is finally practicing ain. had a lot of shows this summer, and band
We have an 8 song demo that is available for getting to playa lot . Also there have bee
$3 .00 ppd . at (37O4 N . 113th Plaza/ Omaha, shows in Brooklyn more and more. A ban
NE 68164) . We are planning on a 7" epp led SOCIAL INSECURITY has been play
beforetheyearis through . ASPIWYXIA'1'iON, ing a lot In_ Queens and Staten Island latel y
the local speed merchants have been play- e East illage seems to be not the on]
ing quite a few shows and deal out a lero- place to have shows. Good. I'm tired o
cious speedcore onslaught . They will be eah. Punk Rock . Uggh. Umm, oh ring black. (`It's a )iollday in the Eas
releasing an official demo soon. LOK OUTit Band news . Ok class, today we are gonn it where the peo dress in black,
A.J .O . (UNT JAMIMA's ORPHANS) are? review all my old favorites, and then move o holiday in the EastVil , where they'll
were? a kick ass thrash: band ; but I'm not to some pew material not covered before to sell you crack!
sure what the deal is with their stagnance. Exciting, huh? PJ0NG, can you spell? P-R FANZINES. Tow. is a new o
A few 'sines still exist, namely if (15124 -N-G .Vc good . The record (these bo s pu ailed put Of ' "r ". It features eal coo
l-iillside.G1/ Omaha . NE 68154), a political/ rut is doin • welL have been In stuff likkecur-ou unk roc dolls. interview.


th bands, and coo art wor . You can write VIOLENCE are gearing up to release a demo
for It at Tom/ 53 Ave . B/ Byone, NJ 07002. called John Cou ar Death Cam . New mate-
rial cor-iiirCK rom and a live
VOMIT
Bltchcn. tape from P .E .D ..
NMS. The New Music Seminar . That is This summer has been primo for inde-
mcthing that happens in New York every pendent gigs with the whole slew of younger
car. All the record people come to town and bands organizing their own gigs In base-
new" bands and brag about their own ments, parksandV .F .W. halls . Mostnotable
labels and snit . This year was no different. among these was a homeless benefit with
• opening party for this thing was at a VISION, BLACK VOMIT, SEPTEMBER VIO-
ace calledThe Saint . It is a hi .h tech disco LENCE and HOGAN'S HEROS . Isn't it good
or all the fashion idiots. So, I figured I'd go to know kids still have a conscience.
ou know, representing MRR and all, bean '. C .I .S.P .E .S. (the Commitee In Solidarity with
r. Rock Critic and cool guy . Anyway, I too the People of El Salvador} has continued to
i lams, from Lctch [ laird' with me. We were do benefit shows throughout the summer
caring t-shirts, jeans and BO #5 (an East trying to raise money to send a delegation to
illage Fragrance called Body Odor #5). El Salvador and for medical aid . OrrQinally,
opfe there were wearing nice shirts, p- these shows were almost all hardcore- bands
pie pants, and Pierre Cardin (a stupidyfra-
grancc for stupid assholes) . Anyway, every- as Son of Sam's 10th anniversary a couple
nc looked at us funny and held theinoses. tf days ago . 10 years ago, David Berkowi -
But, they did let us lathe door 'cause I guess as arrested for the Son of Sam murders.
they figured Rock musicians dress poor] cc. Punk Rock. Anyway, that's it, I gotta g(
and smell funny. So, this band called 7'11 find my pitbull . Then I'm gonna buy a gut
MIGHTY LEMON DROPS play . and the d move to L .A. I'll do my scene repor
sucked, but of course, all the NMS peop c from the freeway . Miserably Yours, George
ust adored them. Finally, Harris and I got /o False Prophets/ 162 Ave B/ New York.
red and left with two women who prom- NY 0009
ised to buy us breakfast 'cause the women
thought we were rock stars. When they
found out we weren't, well, umm
Jello Biafra was in town for the N MS . He
apanelast or something. lie came to the
ALSE PROPHETS show and sang a tune
thus. We played at a place calk? Tin Pin
Bay and it wan' part of the seminar . We
had o rests ow, and we didn't have tq deal
'th the guys in yuppie pants glasses. bald - .i
ng heads big attitudes and stupid name
tags. So much for that shit. but as of recently the bills have been more
The Summer of Misery most miserable
how show award goes to a supposed sho diverse . Anyone wishing to donate their
t the Limeli ht AGNOS7IC FRONT. A$- band's time call Hannah Atkins at ((201) 247-
_ 3416, tell them Sam sent you . The Court
NUCLEAR ASSAULT, LUDICHRIST, Tavern in New Brunswick also does bar
WORD and some other bands were sup- Yo, Yo, Yo, word-up home boys and
cd to play . i gol to the place around ten home girls once again it's time for the gossip shows so if you're a touring band call Brian
' clock and all Mime kids were yelling and from the almig~h~ty Garden State birth place or Ethan on Wednesday nights between 7
reaming . There were police cars every- of all those Mist its '45's . First my apologies to and 10 at 201-545-726S. Such bands as the
here, and cops talking in megaphones all those Connecticut see nesters— gee guys I Circle Jerks, Gang-Green, T.S.O .L. and a
Ong -The show cancelled, please dis- didn't know you cared but I've been on an whole gaggle of others have graced the stage
erse. Of u show was booked at international tour of Canada and the Mid- of the Court Tavern . Maxwell's in Hoboken
e Limelight forCombat Records, and o west with P .E .D . trying to scrape together also books bands — call Todd Abrahmson on
urse it was for those over-21 only, and of enough postage money for these scene re- Tuesdays after 2 at 201-653-1703 . Lam sure
urse there was a near riot. Finally, the orts. Big news was the huge ADRENALIN they'd love to hear from you.
ps got restless and shot tear gas into the O .D . tour which no doubt passed through Well that about wraps up New Jersey
rowd. You should have seen everyone run. your home town . New A.O .D . bassist Keith for this month iust a quick word of thanks to
ust like the summer of kove . . . those protests king rocker) Hartel said among the newly all those people who gave P .E .D . food, lodg-
ainst Viet Nam. the protests for human converted fans was Wattle from the Ex- ing, and gigs during their tour . Before we lelt
ghts, etc. Only this time, it was for a sill plotted and Biafra who braved the skinhead I a biitt apprehensive about anyone seri-
metal show. Come on guys, if ya wanner rlo , legions in California to be close to the stage. ously giving a shit about an unknown band
let's do it for a good cause. . . Unfortunately several van problems called from Jersey but i was proven wrong . Every-
Hilly Kris the owner of CMS's . has the tour short but the boys compensated by one made us feel like we were 7 Seconds.
n called The King of Punk Rock.' He has Wayyi{n out in the tri-state area even more. Salut.
son named Dana who works at the club atchior a new A .O .D . record hopefully by Sam Shiffman/ 320 Montgomery St/ High-
d who you can meet on any liven Satur- Christmas. land Park, NJ 08904
New Jersey's foremost record label has
ay or Sunday. He has been called "The Son
f the King of Punk Rock - and what follows been pulling out all the stops recently with a
very diverse selection of new releases . RAG-
SY ~~.
is his statement about We . the universe, and
-ve lha . ING SLAB for fans of arena rock acrosmith
• - . , . the , • • Pun genre, BIG STICK for fans of industrial sado-
e-
what I'm the only son of the king o
mastcho rock, and the ELECTRIC LOVE
MUFFIN's Pladoe Mcat ook which sounds PE NN
punk rock in the world? So what? You kno like early Replacements . Save yourself some
hat really bugs me? A large segment of the money and order all these fine releases di-
ardcore skinheads hating anyone that Isn't rect from Lenny and Jim at Box 363/
totally for America Criticism of this coun-
try, the very thing they loathe, helps key
this country strong. People are too much
a
Vauxhall . NJ 07088 . Buy OUR Records.
Speaking of records one of New
Jerseys oldest Punk bands, GENOCIDE
No sticking togetherinstead of doing what's have released their first full length record
right . The FEBC,- employees, insurance com- entitled Submit to and contains such
panies, some of the hrardcore skinheads, classics as 'Live to Fuck' ' 12'o clock and All Not much going on here In Harrisburg
moms and sons, I don't care who– they stick is Bell', and of course 'I like to Eat Cunt on the last few months . The local club (The
together like a pack of stlnkin' wolves . When the Rag Record collectors might remember Demi) was closed a few months ago for
someone asks me what kind of music and GENOCIDE from a few years back when they various reasons, so there have not been than
movies i like, I don't answer according to did a split record with M .I .A. which is worth any shows.
mega bucks now . Buy this record . GENO- Local Eaves SACRED HATE have
hat I think will fi into their ima of me . So ngcd their name to HOMECOMING and
hat if they like . a andC ork CIDE are the last of a breed, lead singer EBZ band has gotten a lot more emotional
to c? (like :, •,, . : an c er. has been arrested, run over, stabbed, shot at
• t UDDAH an . FACTS arc more times than an average human betel sounding . They have also picked up a 2nd
shits. Write the coffin crew at P .O . Box 775 guitarist an their sound is much fuller and
the next big bands CBGB's is gonna pro rlikc tt mt}ch more . They should be haivug
ace . I like em. They're different . i say, be New Brunswick, NJ 08903 and I'm sure
they'll send you all kinds of groovy stuff. some vinyl on toppeeQout soon.
our own man . i wish the hardcore crowd SATAN'S BAKE SALE still have their
vent smart enough to realize and appreciate Also in the vinyl department, The BLIS-
that the lady at the CIIGB's door who is TERS have Just released their debut single. lntctlse speed ametal demo tape available,
Mixing Ramones-tsh power punk chords and it coals.
resented for checknig ID's is the main force Lancaster has also been very busy
responsible for keeping the police from with timely lyrics this sin +Stile is a definite in
shutting down the club . And, by the way. the 'great things to come category . Send lately . Dag Nasty played there recently and
-he's my room . Also, i want a lot of bright them a couple of bucks and pick up this so has 7 Seconds andySoulside . Some ood
record . Box 166/ Green Village . NJ Lancaster bands include JACK LORD'S
g irls to call me at 212-9132-4052, CBGB's.
turdays Ip.m. to 7p.m ., to talk to me. r atThings
07935.
to watch for in the coming weeks
HAIR (comic -17 punk with an intense
sinker), COl~RUPT ;D IMAGE (youthful
'incerery, 'fhe Son of the King of Punk Rock. hardcore,and a new band which the guitar-
Dana Kristal.' from the shores ofJersey . The debut EP from ist for JLH formed— they don't have a name
Well, I ess that about wraps up this ViSiON, who I am sure will W Youth
ummcrof M : scene re' • rt . Oh • h, it Today a run for their moncy .EPTEMBER
5 Of yet, but they rock.


Other good bands from the area are the t cy deserve alot more attention from thci
STUMP W ARDS who play 00's punk with fellow North (hot) Wilmington neighbors.
a itiittle Husker r Du thrown in . Theyreallyy put HOMEMADE, SIN consists of Sid (Hooka)
out and they -also have an 12" out on Bona illiams on bass and vocals, Casey Learn
Fide Records (see review in MRR 5 i) . A good n guitar and Mike 'Schubb Schbco of
thrash band is YOUTH QUAKE ; they 'are rums . They released a 9-song demo tap(
really a band worth looking into . Another th full-color cover and lyric sheet called
band that deserve i attention is 2ND CRISIS which can be obtained b
front York . .' i'hey pttt out so ►ood demos sen• ng ' . .'t o Deep Statement Records
and are hot live . They art: d inttely one of P.O . Box 0883/ Newark, DE 19715-088
the best the Keystone State has' to offer. They also plan on relcasingtheir second taps
Some of the more .popular PA bands are soon, so write for more into.
SCRAM . _LP out vet 13Y0 . now ; HALF LIFE ext band is INFECTION, who pla)
who are - on tour and really thrash ; anc hardcore. These guys put on one hell of
PAGAN BABIES, biho will soon be out on show live . The audience just loves them, an
Positive Force . Good luck to all of the hands ou can't blame them cuz Infection rips out Winnipeg- Not much has changed
mentioned. pure energy on stage . They have quit a largt since the last report . However, some good
As far as i.ines go, there aren't too many Following t too, which is why they an new bands have formed . GLOBAL GINO-
in the general area, but you might want to ilmingon's most popular band . They toe CIDE are a new band that have a noisy
look into This is a really distorted sound . Pete (ex-singer of the
cool half-ppage xes record reviews BEACH MUTANTS has a new band called
with comix Interviews and show reviews ; A the NEUROTIC DAUGHTERS OF THE RICH.
good all-around aecne helper. This dlamotid Two other new bands that haven't played out
much are MOURNING SICKNESS, and the
SUBURBAN SKiNS . Winnipeg's oldest band,
the STRETCl1 MARKS have changed both
their line-up and sound, and are now calling
themselves the HELLCATS.
ALIEN NATION continue to play lots,
and have added a second vocalist and gui-
tarist . Rene &ia :urclaresharing the vocals,
while Todd was picked-up from INFLUX.
MISSING CHILDREN, LESBIAN
BINGO, CORPUS VILE, PIEROSE and IN-
FLUX are all still together, but haven't been
playing out much . No changes with the

MARCUS HOOK

have a demo tape out entitled Cat Palk

Realit , with 12 powerful songs an . multi
•o or yric sheet (thanks to Kurt Beers for tht
rioting of all the Wilmington bands tapes.
.t a dude . You can ggeet their tape b
sendin $4 .00 to Fugitive Sounds c/o D . .
RecordsP.O . Box 0883/ Newark . D
i6 available Tot 25 cents and a 22-cant 19715-0853.
stamp Thinks until next time, Andy, Last, but not least. we have THE DRIPS,
Addresses : HOMECOMING/ 7743 ho play mkio-fast tempo hardcore wit
Avondale Terr ./ I tail isburg, 1'A 171 12; intelligQence . These guys also deserve mod.
SBS Rd #4, Box 106F/ Neu'I>vr1, PA 17078: attention so please write to them and inui
JACK I ORD'S IiAIR/ c/o reel 415 Ruhy about their demo tape c/o Chris Dell'Olio
Ridgec Dr ./ Lancaster, PA I7oo1 ; STUN)P 1302 Carr Rd/ Wilmin n, DE 19803.
WIZItRI)S RECORD OUTLE T/ c/o Jac Gig-wt this has-been a summer o
80t~State St/ Lemoyne, PA 17043 : 2N shows for Wilmington and Newark . On dun(
CRISIS/ e/o Missbeat Records, 203 'l 26th we were treated to a fun show a
Phtladel hia St ./ York, PA 17043 ; YOUTfit rumb's Deli with Shudder To Thtnkan•
UAKEJ c/o Trace, '522 Kurtz St. I ninon from D.C ., and HOMEMADE SIN
atasau~ryua, ` PA 18032 ; DESPERATE, mm Wilmin on, as well as multi-medic
STATE ;LINE #2- or i13/ 942 E . Pine St . JJ readings by a oronizer of this fiesta
Palmyra PA 17078' ANDY PERSEPONKb ayne"Romanowski : Wsy to go Wayne! The
(Me) 656 ' Swatara fit./ tiummelstown, PA following day, June 27th, we were once
170 . 6 . Anyone can write to me. ain treated with a night of hearty whole DEAD-AGAIN CHRISTIANS, as they con
some music by Dag N"as TRAINED AT tinue to play often.
ACK DOGS and The STIFFS This was The The main news in Winnipeg, has been
Stiffs' final appearance as Kurt and Ric the opening of the Vulgar Unicorn . This all
ent on to form MARCUS HOOK . The fins age venue has opened the bottom of a
show to mention happened on Ju25th a warehouse and provides a regular place for
the F.O .E. Hall in Wilmington . Bands In- local bands to play . They hope to relocate
ludcd Ignition She-Males from Philly, soon to a bigger building . Wellingtons, the
INFECTION, and THE DRIPS . This was '•: old alternative bar, still refuses to have live
show never to be forgotten in ware his-
ory. Why, you miglr -Cask? Wel, urin She
ales' set some Tights broke out be
arlous Wilmington and Philly punks . Al
DtIAWAR1' ho were there know whose fault it was so I
• n't anymore, except that, due to th
hlldish-brawls the ow got shut down an
Greetings from the small wonder) Tht t
following ~s a scene report for North Dela- ebandandf riendswhodroeupfmo o D .0
are, be her known as Wilmington. Th to play, and thanks to Wayne and Arty fo
most noticeable thing about the scene hen putting the show together anyway.
s that is keeps spreadin like wild fire. One final thanx to MI Stwe r fo
'feat place to be somebody. his great goesknowledge and
As far as bands go, the newest ban hog dio~►it
ithoout -you Bill, none of thes
wound worth mentioning Is MARCU •xccUe t tapes would have been possible
110OK . They've been together now for abou ou rule dude.
months and there's no stowing them Well I hwe you all get a general over-
rIleyy practice their hearts out 3-4 nights of what Wtlmington,Fias to offer. Pleas&
eck and hope to reveal themselves th& support the bands and buy their tapes- o
ublic in late August . The band consists o • n t be disappointed . To all the Wilmin to
I ands and promoters- keep up the
dy Duvall on vocals . Kurt Beers on bass,
Rick Hodgson on guitar and Rob Shelinsk • rk of awesome tuncageil Schleppy . LESBIAN BINGO
n drums. Keep an_ ecyye and ear out for them. Contacts : MARCUS HOOK. - HOME
Next up is7IOMEMADE SiN . They pla MADE SIN and INFECTION can all b&
Photos: Rob Mullin
unique slyle of hardcore, sort of a m reached at Deep Statement Records P .O.
ctwcen early C .O .C . and the Doors. Theca Box 0883/ Newark DE 19715-0Th
•neat guys pumping out some hearty tune DRIPS can be reached c/o Chris Del'Olto
•cl All1 can say about these dudes is tha 1302 Carr Rd ./ Wilmington, DE 19803 .


{DOS, MUTAI~iTEX. SOCIEDAT3 VIOLENTA,

DENUNCIA PUBLICA SS ULTIMATUM,
ANARKIA PICT IURRIASc .
The following bands-are the new ones
that rose in 1987 : FUTURO SIMPLE;
IMAGEN, RASIX, FUERLA, ANTI JOVIO,
DDO, CONTROL NATAL ; SIDA, ESPECTRO.
Many of these groups have been influenced
very deeply by 77 punk except !NIACIN
the JOSS (are they punk or not?) and MY (they're playtn I IC Trash), FUERZA, NO
BROTIiERS STILLBORN KITTENS, who
have only played at a few school shows and
aren't that ood, YET.
Well tt~you would like to get to touch
with GRAVE CONCERN their address is 218
Arlington St ./ Ottawa, Ontario . CANADA/
KIR 559 for bookings (613) 237-5387.
Well that's all for now, ohl If Dave X in
Toronto, where's issue #2 of World Full of
Do cc - ha hat?'
Michael Leach/ 3285 Kodiak St ./ Ottawa,
Ont KIV 7S7/ Canada

I
MOURNING SICKNESS

bands since a MENTORS gig ended in a huge 1DDO, SOCIE;DAD VIOLENTA (they're play-
brawl a few months ago. hag (ICJ.
BEYOND POSSESSION recently We've got many troubles with the in-
played at the Cotton Club, and the Accused struments . They're too expensive so we've
played at the Vulgar Unicorn, but other than of to make them or maybe rent them.
that, not many bands have been through in However . the punk movement keeps on
recent weeks. growing more and more ; we the real punks
Any bands interested in doing a show in hate the fashions and the commerce ; we
Winnipeg can contact Some Guy/ PO Box Thiss the true reality from the Medellin make our own Jackets,, t-shirts, badges and
2755/ WT g, R3C-4134/ Canada or call punk scene, A good greeting for all the punks
(204) 947-'612. n the world front the Colombian punks . The
scene has growing much: to 1987 ; we have
Ottawa- Well I haven't seen any reports more band mire rehearsals, some corn
from Ottawa so i decided to write one myself rerts and more support amongthe PUNKS.
to tell all you HC fans what is happening in it was a place too, specilicabl a b
Canada's capital . To start off the summer in room, where . the-concerts cart . be perIortne 1.
the right direction, we had D .R .I . come in The first concert was realized in 28th ofJune
and play at the Polish community centre. 87, there were two hundred pe ons, a trig
They were backed by Ottawa's own pogo in all around the :place fun and too
COUNTER ATTACK Montreal's COR- much alcohol but everything was good at
RUPTED YOUTH, a death- core band and this place the bar`Marullas will be perform
also a fairly new group from Ottawa GRAVE In Conmrts every month: Some . groups are
CONCERN That was June 21 . Then GRAVE sti•tin to press their works in LP's and
CONCERN . had a record release party at a tapes . Our own label, called Lepper Tapes,
teenage dance club called One Step Beyond. Started to work . in our city there is only one
It was for their first album entitled Approach 1C'punk zinc bccausewee got many prob-
With Caption which is well worth buying it lems to press this one : This zinc is called
you can find tf . The Dead Milkmen were next, Fragments and it needs the support of every
they played at Barrymore's, unfortunately it }ii punk and Of band and every punk in the
wasn t all ages" . OnJuly 24th The Ramones city ribbons . We don't have to buy them in any
played to a sold-out crowd at Carlton U. . Some of the bands with some .expert- shop .
GRAVE CONCERN opened for them and nce performtn at the ppresent are the fol - We've got few changes in the concerts.
they were hot . The Ramones were awesome owing NN . . NO PESTS, LOS PODI* , The pogo is too violent but without troubles.
too, despite the sardine-can conditions at
the front of the stage . Upcoming we have
Charged G .B .H ., who are going to play Aug.
14 at One Step Beyond . Arso playing at that
show are the Accused from Washington and
a pUN M elOn
hGo
t otetsld"Q
~ MuMtN~~
PitivnvuA .S

out own DEAD TROUT. Other local grow s M. )sy 0,wIf[tkeep a.

include THE TRAFI' and HONEST iNJUN. IL tJE 11
Overall our scene is healthy, but
smaller groups need more places to play, i i►A
and shows seem to be few and far between.
Also promoters seem to be putting qyuite
inflated ticket prices on the shows . Ottawa Tl) tlfr
has a great network of alternative record N.N I
shops and our local -alternative" radio sta- poinkID
tion, CKCU, is very supportive of the punk 1 Si AR►n c15 1 ovens gtndds
subculture . l think Grave Concern is going R p el6
to be touring Montreal and the area and
hopefully elsewhere, this band has talent 7- 1 AaRA=3P
and should be seen. v~ok 200 , L4910.ZC/ COl t.50Id; CoptlC BA'r,a (BUS Ccpccep na MA(1 D
Some garage bands I've heard about are


fitthe last concert there were no troubles, !lac to Sykurmo arnir. T car long
though we performed it at night it was the malted LP Life s Too Good should be out
Only night concert we had . Everything was soon on Flux's label One Little Indian
right, we had no troubles with the pigs, !Ike s XZMA, the great kilfembill hope of Ice-
the former concert. land, came back to life last winter when 3 o
That's all for now, For more information • members did (some gigs as IANGI .ZELI OC
about the scene, please write to our zinc ,. To KUGGARNIR (Long Zell and the Shadows).
send your tapes and your information or to Last rumors tell that Zell and Kell are cur-
i terciiangc things, please write to the rently working as a duo OXTOR 747 . Also.
iallowtng addresses Frcddv Alberto Rodas/ kari, Oxzmas sexist, is now studying cin-
PO I3ox 8322/ Medellin, Colombia or John •ma in London and Jab Wobble does the
Jalro Hincapir/ PO Box 2912/ Medellin, music for his new film . The first Icelandic
Colombia. punk band FRAIiBLARNIR. has been play-
ing again after 5 years silence under a ne
name, MAMMA VAR RUSSI (Mom Was
Russian) . They plan to do an LP next winter.
• nyway, from my label, Eroanumusik, 1. Newcastle/Sunderland- Following the
ust out a greasy comp cassette called Snarl. success of the Edinburgh punks picnic, we
t has 6 bands and is $5 from my address. decided to have one here in Newcastle which
l'he bands are SOGI3LETTIR (Sucks ots). went very well with people enjoying them-
punk from these 4 young boys; selves, eating and drinking merrily . The
they
they always get a flock of 20-30 punks tc presence of the lake caused some humorous
their gigs pogoingand having fun to then moments as a few people decided to throw
irtvin music . The DAISY 1ILL PUPP themselves or others in, and one group of
FARMg is a trio and pretty Jam-sounding, punks ended up totally soaked when the
and sing 'in English in opposite of all of the boat they hired capsized) After it finished,
ther bands in this report. (Smekkleysa I. people headed to Sunderland, where a gig
planning to release a !ogle with them soon took place with the following bands: I [Ea.-
will Erdanumusild . Also on the Saar BASTARD, IIDQ ENCOURAGING THE
assette is CULT AO INNAN (Yellow Inside) CHALLENGE. and another band . It was a
Howdy all you wonderful people ou ho come fromIsallorour, which is a ,fish reat night with only one isolated spot of
there . This Is Gunni reporting for the third hole with 5,000 hard -workin an t.v.- trouble . The next night it was the turn of
time from this miserable reef. Before we g atching folks . There used toe some seen ENGLISH DOGS/OI -POLLOI and DEATii
into details . I must tell you a very importan there– '80-'82, but now 'people prefer vide. WARMED UP who are incidentally a punk
fact - here live only 250,-000 people, yes, only tchin as the band's bassist put it . • metal band) . This was another very enjoy-
.25 million– so . don't expect too much od on Ere telephone the other day . PAR- able and well-attended gig.
Remember the 'peace meetinghere in Octo- trOR are romAkureyri and play heavy, pun Going back to the previous week now,
cr? Well, fortunately . I wasn't here to droll and_ op all one. In Akureyri live abou you may have heard of Lam touring the U .K.
ever the big pieces oT meat in necktie, but 10,00 people, so_ yyoou can guess what'. Well they, Heibcl and I IERESY Payed at a
this turned out to be a good event for the happening there . UZZOUNTare four 14 small club here– too small– in tact, the gig
then newly-formed company Smekk1eyss ear-olds with loads of future and do funn was stopped due to people dancing! The
(bad taste) . They printed some glossy ost- .mtty Purrkur Pi uenced music owner claimed the floor was gonna give in
•ards and sold enough to release . H . DRAUMUR .my band, is the 6th ban. and, judging by the amount of people there,
SYKURMOLARNIRts debut simile . Sykur n Snarl . Our debut LI) is still available fo he might have been right' The gQjg binge is far
molarnir (the lumps of sugar) is basically the $5 from me, and a new 12 might be poppin from over, for in the space of a couple of
KUKL -people playing a little more is up this winter. Reykjavik Is the main place weeks, we'll be seeing the STUPIDS, NEU-
tunes and nobody knows if KUKL so idea( for Icelandic underground (or whatever you ROTICS, CHUMBAWAMBA, CULTURE
forever or not . Friorik Por, the bloke who di call it) music . if you're effective, you can d SHOCK and, once again, I IDQ and HELL-
"Rokk i Reykjavik' (film about the roc gig and 100 people, but that tends to get BASTARD.
movement–which was quite big here it oring after 5 g00 for the same faces . Band. On to the general U .K . scene now, and
1980-82), recen came upp ~, with his firs . reak up very oTten as a result of this, an
-acted film Sk turnar'' JI'hShooters),
c the only wise thing to do is going abroad fo Italia II Nib L
which has a soundtrack o kurmolarntr 'igs. Now we have 3 free enterprise radio - BLIND DRUNKS
BU(3B! MORTHENS and Melt Cave (la hlch play more or less the same crap to •
playeda gig herIn October) andanameles. ten music, plus old "goldpieces," as they c
orppoorationofPURRKURP LLNRKK/ KUK / it . The popular bands are all hying fo
Sykumtolamir's sing Einar Om, PEYRL. coming up with the hit of the year, an.
idealist Hob, Dave Ball of Soft Cell and Rose therefore sound all the bloody same, goof
if shit band STRAWBERRY SWITZBLADE. synth pop. There haven't been any fanzine
Me film Is about two whaleshootin sailor. here forycarst Well, everybo4 write me
coming to land and ending up breaking ant for further info (rho there an't. any!), and
a unstore . Partin around Its a shame send for Eroanumusik's products– th
Ice continues whales, but som • roducts of frustration and isolation! Bles
iigoted attitu e~ has to ly oobsee ssed the less'
overnme in affair and y stn. nGunni/ Alfholsvegur 30 A/ 2 e e
gonna let some "Greenies tell us what to do . Kopavogur/ Iceland I ► -,
new bands to watch out for include 'fRIiIE
OF I3ENN and REFUGEES (both from Scot-
land), THE UNTAMED Co . Durham . Eng-
land ) , 3 BLIND DRUNKS (Southarnton
England) . . there are more but it'd take all
day to list them all . However, two bands you
won't be able to ignore are the MACC LADS,
still oing strong with a cassette LP– tune-
ful, offensive oler style punk– and, in that
very same category come the BILE DUCTS
(from Conset Co . Durham), who make the
Sic Boy Federation look street credible!
Their songs concentrate on sexual matters
and disasters (would you believe they have a
song about the Zeebrugge Ferry disaster–
"I'm on the Zeebrugge Ferry disaster/ The

BILE DUC TS rr


ceiling's spinning but I'm not plastered" )— q9 rn Tt4te ' inrch ltlee Nazf"'Clerrr try
one hell of a sick band! Apart from those ports to tner e patriotism.
bands I've mentioned and a few others, most Most' Japanese wogs have few real
new bands seem to be punk metal and all f fends, the extent of his " riendshlp" reach-
sound alike (to these ears anyway) . One 1'ng .only a few fellow workers with whom he
ood thing is that there seems to be an spends the night getting drunk: The J apa-
good in fanzines, th output of local zincs nese worker ppractically lives and breathes
doubling in the past month alone! Also good eornpanv business . In the U .S .A ., a worker
about the scene to Newcastle is that there swtteh jobs a number of tjms to his
are rarely any fights at gigs, a thing which, petytane,. : anh this is expected o him if he
sadly, cannotbe said for London, whre idiots wants to. reach a :better job . lies Japanese
regularly spoil gigs. counterpart seldom. if ever, switches jgqbg,
Politically ' things stand to get much insteatrusting
d- the company to ntove him
worse in the U .K ., as another Conservative tap, the ladder.- In Ja it - a worker has
government, as you know, was elected ttsnged jobs frequent, is suspected of
cin . Already they've introduced slave being a high risk an d may not get a job
llaor for all ages under the disguise of 'Job because ofitee . -
Training Schemes," where you work for your The . indoctrination begins early . The
dole ; plus they're trying to brtn in a different facer, who dominates the amily demands
house rates system w ich will mean, sur- an gets to alty and respect. Before the
prise surprise, the poor paying more . I dread child even gets to pre-school, his/her 'par .
to think what else they've got in store for us. P110 . . demand that . he/she respect school
Well, that's about it. Hope e that was o .k. teachers . . .-This respect and loyalty is then
Cheers transferred to the company that employes
Trev UJJAL Zine) / 57 Briardene/ aim/her. .-Nigh school students must wear
Burnoplield/ Newcastle Upon Tyne . NEI6 uniforms to enforce the idea that they are all
. 61.J, England the same. Any attempt to be different may Japans infamous skate scezik :ur
bring complications with the teacher . There ahouldl say "fashion :" is still on the .1tlt
have been cases of the teacher beeting .stu- gotten so it's ktnda hard to believe thai .1t:
dents who 'haven't showed enough respect. started around ayear ago . i can still rerittrr'
Despite the differences, though, now hoer when CORRUPTION OF PEACE was Just .
that my 4 years are up I'm really ggo~ing'to about Japan's only skate rock band (what
miss the puce, Only those of us ..who have ever the luck that tot . When Corruption of
experienced the Japanese hardcore scene Peace fell into dust (well, people were saying
will everhave a~o od understanding of what they were re-forming, but Kevin moved back
I've sedti,d wHtat I've heard. to the States I think, so isn't likely to
Th qs h i .start around. 6 to 7 . p .m. happen), skating continued thisto grow. Skate
trig is sail popularinJapan, inside the scene
arid out . Hell, fashion maghave regular
exposes on "skate fashion." -Fuck, I went to
one show and saw photographers tapping
Well, 4 cars have finallyy gone by stn ia kids on their shoulders, asking them to
I first set fool onwhatwas to bd.' my home for move to better tight or into a better pose . At
the next 4 years, Needless to say, I was not least there doesn't seem to be much skate
happy with what I saw: I hated tte fuekin' exploitation on TV, like Iri the States . 13ut it's
place, i would have given my arm to get out probably just around the corner.
of there . Those of you who have had the Well, on to the generic scant: report . LIP
opportiinii to live in a foreign country will CREAM'S 2nd LP is out, entitled l Shocks
understand what I felt . The change o mcyy- ertQr. Up Cream is One of Japan's better
ins~++ from one society to another, completely Tands (in my view) . Their fast and harsh and
different society, can bring quite ashock on ut on great shows . GHOUL may be re;
a'person . The shack of moving to a country Fornrtngas GHOUL II—well, I think It can be
whose language is quite different, a country called re-forming, I'm not sure. The "if you
whose customs and ways are alien, can put send us a letter we won't answer band'
quite a strain on a person. )EADLESS MUSS has their 7" EP out called
The difference between Japanese and 860 S ds Coo g (?) : It's fuc n' greht,
American society is great, desppite the fact despite their creative version of English.
that Japan has hen overun by McDonald's Hey it could have been worse (Skate-TA-2U
7 . 11, and World Pro Wrestling (and the list L.tte) . They layed a great gig a while back
goes on) . In the U .S .A. . kids are at least with Lip Cream, SYSTEMATIC DEATH,
taught (lied to) that they (God help us!) can LAST BOMB and some Kanji band (sorry,
live their own lives the way they want to. can ' t read Japanese) . Systematic Death
alough they will never be allowed to do so. may have a ne[vLP out soon . I think OISM
So to adegree, America is a society with an The train system shuts down around mid , is coming out with their 2nd LP but don't
emphasis on the individual . In Japan its night and that's how Most people get around take m word on it .OUTO'snew Lkisoutbut
just the opposite. Japan Is a society which here. So, if you miss the last tr in, buddy 11 dort'tktnew the name of it. 1 finally got my
stressed loyalty to some sort of o rganization. you've doomed yourself to a night of endless hands on NEW ROTEEKA's 7' EP and it s
Before 'World War 11, that loyalty was ring. quite good hardcore, along the sin a-ton
stretched out to Ja p an and the Eniporer. The s bows have little violence . The only vein . ttey put on great shows, to lea
Yet, through the dcaihs of millions, America sources ol violence seem to come from an singer wearing different costumes at each
was able to break that bond . The disillusion- occasional drunkout to cause trouble for the show . I've seen him as a clown and as
me .nt in Nippon and in the Emperor caused rest of the kids, but they're, easy to take care I3atrnan, it's pretty fun . Old-timers TRASH
a need for that loyalty to be shifted else- of. Unfortunately, the ony other sourest of are still around, LAST, BOMB have been
where . it found its wav to the company violence comes p rom some of the bands organizing quits a number of great shows
The companies have capitalized off this themselves . Hell, i've seen a singer who recently. 7VEATHEAD played a gig at some
loyalty, a, is evident in Japan's near-domi- must have been a Hulk Hogan disciple, give disco that has Wednesday skate rock nights.
nation of economic trade . The company a. kid an atomic back-breaker during' his They wee the only hardcore band there ; the
attempts to ensure this loyalty with redue pet onnanee. rest being heavy metal . R. was great, despite
dons in the prices of whatever the company Prices ; Fuck, they're high . Everythtn the fact that I had to endure 2heavy metal
manufacturers for their workers, and occa- costs an arm and. a le here. Those ol yo bands to see them . SIC has their big country
sionaly gives housing, cars and many other who have tried to buy Japanese records will punka gig July 5 (sorry, 1 missed it Roger and
benefits . The company sets up company know what I mean . Import records cost Sohn : really wanted to go) . Sic is a really fun
picnics and sports teams . These sports 1,800 yen ($12-$131 . Stranger still, domes- band who also sing some really "deep shit.
teams compete against other companyy tic releases cost even more- 2,000 yen (S13- Just ask Roger about dowery vampire. Sic
teams, which provides th e.. worker ~iith 814) . Hell, it costs less to order records from has at least one cut on Straight Time
the States than buy then) here . Gigs are Production's second comp tape Consumer
expensive also, usually about 1,800 yen, but ,acktnail lI . I don't know the price, so ask
sometimes they're lower. get
In little less than ayear, a major change ell fuck, I've finally otten back to
has swept trough the Japanese scene. Atlanta, GA . Saw Youth Of Tgoday and Faint
Until the beginning of last summer, punk No More . Wasn' t that had but Youth o
rock in Japan was mainly U .K .-originated Today deserved more crowd participation.
GSA lI . and CHAOS U.K. were everywhere. I'd like to say bye to all m friends who
At the be nning o last summer a ranfor- have drifted in and out of my lit c for the past
matton hit the scene, U .S .-style hardcore 4years : Seth andTeru (thanx r the photos,
started to be recognized by the majority of E . Ys) . Chris S ., Jill Witchcraft. Pete, Jason
kids . Now it's not uncommon to see 7 tins W ., Phildo Roger (keep_ up te goo
Seconds and D .R.I. t-shirts at gigs . Those of j9ob), John, Kevin, Koichi, l3randon and
us who have been here for a while are Bradt So remember, It [eels like snow!" and
nothing short of amazed at the rate at which Led Zepel in can burn in hell. Bye,
this transformation has taken place . I can't Chris Fen' Pallitte/ 230 Traliroore Ct ./
help but get the feeling that maybe its rown Raswell, GA 30076.
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Interview by Am
MRR : Is this gonna be a candid Inforvlew or are wo
going to have to hash out ancient history?
H . you can ask me anything you wont . You do what you
want ; you always do anyway. You ask what you wont
and I'll onswer the truth ot always
MRR: The now band. . .tho now album seems more
"punk" than I thought It would bo, moaning more
straight ahead, aggressive ...
H that's what I'm Into, more straight ahead and ag-
gresslve than some of the later Flog stuff.
MRR : Is that album something you're teal fond ot?
H . I like H. I wouldn't have done It It I didn' t like It. I' m not
trying to do something for a curtain audlonco.
MRR: Often musicians will say they no longer Ilk . 0
record by the time II comes out.
H . Oh no . me and Chris wrofo the songs and produced
II and I mastered It hero in LA. and It's vory much what
I1 is I kko every second of It.
MRR : Tell mo this, In relation to the kind of music you
wore doing with Black Flag and now this, comparo
the music side of your expression to the spoken Word
you also do . Whet do you got out of each of those,
Is if a different emotion?
H : It's a different release, realty . The music thing Is way
more physical, and I go off really hard. But the talking
thing Is vory much lower volume but still It kindo blows
me out In a different way. Tho reading gig Is kko taking
an SA T . while running uphill, and offer a few days of
that I'm pretty wiped out . I could easily do 2 weeks
straight of playing music rather than 2 wooks of doing
that on hour-anda-hall a night.
MRR : Is It nation
H . No. 'cause you can't got as thoroughly gone stand-
ing Moro talking as you can with musk: because of Its
rhythmic nature.
MRR : Aren't you more naked?
H Soto . fhoro 's no shifty PA so you can't hoar the vocals
it's Just some dodo standing there with a folder, talking
And I say stuff that just cuts mo to the quick.
MRR : It's Interesting, In light of several people In-
volved with punk going Into spoken word. Is this
something aging punk rockers can get Into?
H: I'm realty not concerned with what anybody else is
doing. I'm only 26.
MRR: That's pretty old for a punk rocker,
H I'm Henry Rollins and not o punk rocker.
MRR: I soe.
H. You should allow people Just to be and leave the
classifications out. Dlg It, I don' t want all tho benefits of
being labeled 'punk rock', I'll fake It the hard way, of
being just one dodo. I'd rather Just have more reality
with my reality,
MRR : Given that there's only so much a body can
take. ..
H The only time I'm punk Is when you write ft In your
magazine.
MRR . Some people look back at their days when
they were Involved In ' punk' disdainfully, whether
they used that title or not.
H : I'm not ashamed of anything I 've done, put on
record, written In a book or magazine, or sold, nothing.
MRR: Nothing ever?
H. Regret b bullshit. Vou be responsible for your actions
and It you tuck someone over, fully expect to got the
same thing done to you Doing sorry, that's a waste of
tlmo.
MRR: There's nothing to learn?
H. Well, Instead of lust 'Oh, I'm sorry' when you knack a
guy ovor . .Don't bo sorry, Just help the dodo up and do
what you can to help . I' m saying, get more committed
to righting your error than Just being sorry . Sony Is a lot Iiko
hope, We hope It won't rain today' or ' I hope I don' t
do In a piano wreck' Either you will or you won't.
MRR: That's a superficial sorry.
H : I'm not Into the regret thing and I don't think
anything disdainful about punk rock . I have the
some disdain for that as I do for classical or heavy
metal or salon rock or whatever the fuck is happen-
ing . I just wont to ploy and I really don't need certain
values thrust at me — the punk rock values I'm not

PHOTO FROM L .A. TIMES SY JEFF SCALES

 Interested In . I'm not Interested In how many
quaaludes and beer you con chug of a Bon Jovi
concert, I Just want to go play . If you say you're 'punk
rock' you get a lot of benefits.
MRR : You do? performing and I wonder, 'Wei, am I doing this well,
H : That politically correct thing . You get a lot less did I play good, is this any good?' You're always
flock. wondering, 'Is thsi as good as last year?' or 'Con I
MRR : Punk rock means a lot of different things to pull this tots oft?' and you gotta deal with It . Facing
different people. yourself Is what rm very much Into . That's why I can
H : rd rather Just be Henry. 'Oh, that's Henry playing, write and do stuff without a whole lot of social
oh, OK' or 'That guy's a sonofabltch and I don't want Interaction . I do not write songs about breaking up
to go see him.' But don't put me on the n with girl friends. rd rather work on my work.
with Johnnie Rotten, I'd rather walk by myself. MU : At some point though does It become too
MRR: Whatever definitions, .. Inner drown?
H : I'm not Into any defnitbn, you do what you4io. H . Sure, and I balance that out . A lot of people know
MRR Let me ask you this. There's an Image I hive of my name . I go out on the stage In front of hundreds of
you which Is of someone who Is hard, disdainful of people, talk to o lot of people, and I answer every
women . This Is an Image that comes from letter I get, and I'm In the L .A. phone book. So, I'm
performances and lyrics of Mack flag, on Image that very much in contact with people.
I have of you. . .a lack of sense of tumor, etc . Now. MRR : Is there a problem when you become such a
some people that know you well say you do have a known quantity? Part of performing Is gearing up and
sense of humor . I'm wondering, Is this art Incorrect having a set at defences, and Is it hard then to stop
Image, of Is It a cultivated Image, or a changing performing?
Image? H : Well, me when I play is pretty much me when I'm
H : I don't think about image . lief you people do that not playing . The music gets me very, very hyped up
for me . Tim Yoharnan takes care of my image for and the music really sends me . When I'm sane,
MRR, and that takes are of a lot of people's 'mope there after the show, all the words I soy and
to them. They read N and have their Image–Intend everything I do I hold myself accountable.
of their own, they have yours which they take ... MRR: I mean In terms of having your own private We.
MRR : No, this Is you erect. H : I don't have much of that.
H: OK, then Ill Just tel you where rm at . I don't have MRR : Does that bother you?
anything against women . As far as my sense of H Yeah, sometimes. I could quit anytime I want,
humor, that's debatable, everyone has their own right? I could go work at Sears . maybe, If I had the
taste. I think I'm funny . Whatever, so what . But I have guts to mutilate myself In that way . But you do make
nothing against women, I'm not sexist and I'm not certain socrlflces. If I didn't wont people to know me . I
racist . In fact, a lot of what I do fights that very guess I wouldn't put out records and stand on stage
abruptly, very strongly. and say 'Look at me, look at me ' all the time.
MRR: Tell me this, we're all attached to what goes on MRR : But doesn't It become almost addictive?
ti
around us, whether we like It or not, and feed off N to H : I love to play, I play just as hard at practice as I do
some extent . For example, today there's the In front of people. I'm Just hooked on the playing, the
hearings going on in Washington, DC with Oliver writing, oil that . Yeah, so I'm addicted to that, but I'm
North, does any of that have any Impact on you? I'm not addicted to the root of the crowd . It's nice . ..
trying to gauge what you lied on, what energizes MU : Without the feedback It wouldn't quite be the
you. same emotion, no?
H : I stay very much out of the political trip. I'm very H : Well, that's the thing you have to do–ploy for
uninterested In what those people are up to . If I'm at yourself, really like what you're doing . I mean, I Just
the dentist office I'll read Newsweek, but I don't finished 8 weeks In the States with the bond, and
watch TV, I don't Isten to the radio except for public there were some of those places where there were
radio, and I don't read the papers. 30-40 paid and they all stood at the back and
MRR: What does fuel you? checked R out very qulety . Just snlffin' around to see
H : Sluff I see . You know . hie spent most of rrny time on if they liked It, or maybe they didn't feel like standing
the rood, so I see this and that . I see more of a street near the stage . I still played hard 'cause I like It . I
scene . And also I don't have girl friends and I'm not a guess I'm funny that way.
social type and spend a lot of time by myself, so I MU : How have you changed at al In the lost couple
Id da feed on that energy, Just thinking about things. of years, II at all?
MU: I saw an article In the L.A. limes, and It sort of H : Maybe a little wiser, maybe a little cooler. rve put
parlor/6d you as nihilistic, hard, angry. .. myself through a pretty rigorous thing, staying on the
H . Did you read the full article? rood for most of the year and not allowing myself
MRR: Yeah, I did. There was this kind of sense of"o much quarter . That has taught me–having you ears
literary side of you, and then, .I don't know If boxed in a lot of times--has made me understand
'negative' Is the right word, the negative damage other people better and maybe to give other fib a
that Individuals sustain. bit of slack . But sometimes It's hard, when you work
H: I don't think I'm negative. Stuff Ike Duran Duran is
negative, 'La b b, everything is line, dance In Rio'. If your ass off living with a bunch of strangers Ina van
I've got a problem, I put It out and wrestle with N, and night after night performing to a bunch of strangers
who also steal from you . They pay their money to get
hopefully work myself through It . Confrontation b not in, they clop and go 'Rah, rah, rah' and then rip off
something that Is very popular . N's seen as negative. your bookbag and your clothes and slash your tires
People are Into avoiding themselves, avoiding and all !hat . Each person in That crowd Is o potential
everything that gets In their way, and It becomes threat . so you go through at that for weeks and then
monkeys that lump on their bock . I choose to fight you come home and someone complains about
back, even if ti's myself. their shoelaces not looking the right color and you
MRR : Can you give any examples? ust done feel like hearing about N and you become
H : Sure, If I'm feeling depressed . I'm gonna write a ery Inflexible about basic shit that straight people
song about feeling depressed . So the song comes put themselves through . You do not live Ike me . I
out 'I'm so depressed, gm, gmr, gm' and then It's come from a different place than you . I don't worry
'Well, he's so negative' OK. ... about my coffee machine not working, I Just put gas
MRR: So, ti's a catharsis for you. in my van and go. If some girl goes 'Oh, you didn't
H . Yeah, you get In there and wrestle with if tit It call me'. Well yeah, I didn't cal you, but you're not
down, and you're done with N . Then you can s for dead, be happy . Your von didn't wreck today, no
red. A lot of people go 'Peace and Love' and that's one put poison In your omelet of Denny's, the
all fine. But do they know anything about r and promoter didn't ream you . you didn't get your face
hate yet? I don't think they did their time with y and cut off by a skinhead, and I didn't cal you, big dealt
hate . I'm way Into the peace and love concept, but I It's Just a different perspective . But the rood
think you have to do you time wtlh the war and hate experience and the writing has maybe helped me
so you can say 'I love you' and mean N . It's not a be a nicer human being . I'm not the nicest person.
bad thing to know what a bad day I. and I don't pretend to be . Not everyone is Mr.
MU : AI the present, what ore some of the Rogers.
confrontations you're engaged In? MRR : But you do find you can be a little more
H: I don't go out on the street and flight people. tolerant?
MRR: No, no, I mean In. .. H: Yeah, see 'cause If you and I could switch shoes
H: You gotta deal with yourself every day, deal with for a week and you could see the stuff that gets
your own futohhitneu. and I've got that going Just as thrown at me, you would klnda see what I'm Ike after
much as anybody, probably more. And so that's 6 years of It . Guys walk up to me and think that for me
If-confrontation. I'm a ' , rformer I'm o ' s out to like them they have to act Ike . 'Hey motherfucker.
how yo doln'II' and grab me and shake me . That's
'I hnw nmo otry thlnh I'm Onnnn gn 'Diaht nn' nrvl ha
1 s ii
 yourself, 'What goes around comes around' . Don't
you think that roactlons--not roactlons, but if that's
a generalized 'traction-that there's something that
you're doing to 'wok* that"?
H: Do I walk out and go shake people? No. I scream owned by Laura tToud called 1111teraWPress. Work-
and yen when I sing and throw myself about maybe, very hard with that and am trying to get other
but does that necessitate sorne stranger corning up unknown author types out In book form
land putting on this show for rne just to shake my MRR : What Is your book going to b . specifically
hand? I don't think so. But if that's what I give off, I oboul?
gotta live with it. :A: My duff? I've got about 5 or 6 books In print right
MRR: The other reaction I have to that I s-OK, as youl now.
sold, If I put myself In your shoos then I would MRR: Right, the ono you're working on right now.
experience somothing different . I'm wondering, ore H : In fact, there was a little blurb In MRR about that-a
you that lnl•rostod In pulling yourself In other picture of me saying 'God . aren't I great' or
people's shoos? something like that, for putting out a book . That's hfiw
H : Yeah sure . I Ike to see things from as rnany ways that come off . someone goes out and does
os I can. Unforfunatety, you Just can't do that . That's something for themselves and ..
why I don't answer any sympathy . I don't want any of MRR : There's a history to making fun of you ...
that shlt, I don't even like people asking rne how I om. H : Sure. I guess.
MRR : .. .based on our ptevious Interaction. or lack
I'm fine.
: MRR : Just based on my own Intoracflon with you--tho thereof.
first limo I met you was right affix you joinod Black H : It would be very easy to make fun of you wlthoul
Flag and you roomed pretty at that point. I making any fun, but I won't do It.
The second time I met you, you had been with th n MRR : Believe mo, evoryono else does. If you put
band for a whit* and maybe part of this 'hardonIng yourself In 'hoe thorn...
oxperlence', If that's th n way to form It, had token H : I'll let them do the work.
place, but you wet . unapproachablo . You sold,'
'You're the prod, I don't wont to talk to you, I don't i-l : I got none of that goin', no death threats fa . you. I
trust the pro's: wont to keep you alive and cooking for years to
H: No . I don't. come . I don't think you could do anything to rne to
MRR: But you calogorlzed me, wrots me off as part Inspire death threats.
of something Instead of dialing with msi as an MRR: I guess you'vo got more of o sons. of humor
Indlvldual and/or putting younelf th my shoes . II you than I thought.
hod put yourself In my shoos, Mon you would see not H : I don't want to anybody except al the L A.P .D.
that big a ditleronce, maybo INN* would b . a big MRR: Do you still hove II out ftx cops?
diff•r•nce. Who knows? But I was judged and written H : Sure, because I walk down to the post office one
off . and so when I so:11*r retorted to possible day and there's a cop slamming sorne Mexican's
Isolation, that's what I was gelling at, that pothaps head Into a car hood until he throws up . Cops hitting
with age people loosen up and get a little more women. .
tolerant or project a Ilttlo bit more out of thoir own while I was cleaning It In front of the
arena . rm posing al that back to you. that . I'm not Into . I'm not Into the authority and
H : Yeah . well maybe I've grown up o Uttlo, maybe I brutality element and what these ants/oiling . brainless
can't assholes are allowed to carry out . I don't like the
for anything that I've done 'cause I did . Saying you're power they are given, they totally misuse It and hurt
sorry doesn't undo anything, you just do what you do people and I'm not Into that.
and poy the consequences, and If you are to be MRR : Do you se. any way of Owing that?
punkshed then someone wil punish you. H . No . What ore you gonna do . take a rrxbhete and
MRR: That's pretty block and while, don't you think? chop 'em to btls? We'll have o new squad In the
H : Well . that's how I Ike to deal vAth tNngs. There's a morning . There's always someone who wants o
song on side one, first song on the record called 'In bodge put on them.
the Block and White' and we're not taking about thel MRR : Ale you of the opinion that the way things cf .!'
races . We're talking about 'here It Is and here It the way amyl stay ot only get worse?
ain't : ond I'm very happy to 1ve In that realm. But I think get worse . Authority will get way more
don't trust press 'cause Ne done a mlllon Interviews hi-tech, even down to the small things. Like now
vAth people who are 'Hey there' s computers In the cop can in L .A . In o few
and rip . shred and mutiate . A lot of times I think Ifs o years they'll be able to punch your foce up on one of
necessary evl . it's very good to do Interviews . I read those . Theyl go .
i other people's Interviews . I like to hear what other name you'll go 'bloop' and %/our face wit corne up
people have to say about thIngs, and rm sure other with your arrest record, your home address or
people are Interested In v/hot I have to say, but Ws al l maybe a tape recording of you and your wife, you
give and take . I think theyre al good In a way . ond In never know . I just don't like the control that most of
a way rd like just to be able to go picry and not have the pollcomen I've seen have . They ' re real
to do ony Interviews at all . But It helps people know bastards, you know-very sexist, racist, big ldds with
v/hat you're doing and they might want to check you guns . Big 15 years olds who got beaten up in the
out . And the people who come to check you out bicker toom. and now they gala go beat up people
hopefully you have o tNng that they might benefit h the big locker room out In the world.
horn, and they keep a roof on your head and they MRR : Tell me, you choose to continue to live In L .A.?
allow you realsticalty to do It year after year and I'm H . Yeah . rm not the biggest fan of LA . . but It's where
Vary fucidng grateful that people come. my businoss is, where my P.O. -
MRR: What *Ise should we try to cover? much. I live on the road . I Pre in a die room here, rent
H : I don't know, part of a house out, I got rny tunes and my books and
. It's al you. my desk and I'm here about 7 weeks a year, so rm
"Raising Arizona'? I not al that particular.
H : I thought k was really groat . I thought the camera MRR: .
work was very, very innovative . Mostly, I liked the notos. By your name, you swot* 'wannabe' . What's
technique . I like to watch how movies ore structured that about?
I don't go to se too rnany movies . I saw 'Full Metal H . I just thought about every concetvabte cutdown to
Jacket' the other day and thought It was pretty crwful. 1 describe rnyself . It took rne al of about 8 seconds to
II was like an MTV version of Vietnam. write. I flew over to Holland to do a thing . and you nod
MRR: Well, I don't have any othor Immediate to write out your own Introduction on these cards
questions. give them to this guy . The MC doesn't know anyttlng
H : That's realty fascinating . It's 1987 . we're doing on about anyone 'cause everyone Is from all over the
Interview. and all we tolked about was about up to world. So they're wrltlng 'Received Master of Poetry
from University of Saigon' , petc . . and the guy's
MRR: No. that's not hue at al. We're comparing your reading It oil in English with a
feelings today to then. reading them without even thinking, and reads Mine
H : . . .presenting tt to a readership who don't know which goes . 'Henree RooUns. a beep loser who
much about 'then' . Ill tell you what . Ell just do a quick does not smell so good .' People viere Just going off.
press release, which Is v.that I'm rnore concerned
about In Juty, 1987 . Just finished a 3 rnonth tour wtfh the . MRR : Wol, I guess that's N . Thank you.
Rollins Band . It was real fun . Going to Europe for 3 H : Well, thank you Tim. Next time you see me, don't
rnonths of playing . practicing arid recording starting hesitate to come up and soy 'hr.
lln August. Working hard on the booics, birth . blah, rwhen you saw 'Raising Arizona' and I sold 'Hmm,
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MRR: Although all of you guys refrain from drugs and rnese negative views that a bunch of bands spew in
alchohol, each of you have a slightly different view their lyrics. Th'lnbred is a fine example of o bond who
on the matter. Can you each discuss your Individual make a joke of the whole 'posdrve' movement Al-
views? though they did make o few void points with the
J . I became straight because I used to drink . I used to 'Positive Song,' they also classified and stereotyped to
smoke. I've suffered bad experiences, rve seen the s ridiculous point I couldn't be sure k everyone in a so-
use of drugs In high schools on the incline. called positive band skates the wnoie song went a
D . Being straight is for me but It 's not for everyone . I little too for in my opinion . Too generolvod
doesn't realty make a difference to me If others are MRR : You hove one song - 'Sack in Control' - that
straight or not; we can be friends either way. Being deals with censorship groups such as the P .M R .0
straight is anti-obsession, not a bunch of rules you gotta Do you think that censorship can be justified In
follow or you're 'outta our club ' type thing . We're all certain situations, or are you against censorship of
MSI. are a bond from loronlo who have recently , straight because we wane be, not because It's a all times?
released their sortdied 7' on BY 08 . records . They ' cool, trendy thing to do. Co Censorship might be necessary in certain situations
music might possibly be labeled as melodic hardcore, G. To see being straight is o slop in the face to a society but when you're talking about lyrics . I think it's unnec-
yet their influences also derive from various other styles that finds it socially acceptble to be Intoxicated on o essary Bands should be able to express their Ideas If
lyrically, they cover a range of topics dealing with regular basis . I realized at quite o young age, that I they decide to censor lyrics, they're saying that free-
substance abuse. indrvkivality, prejudice, and more. didn't have to participate in these vices if I didn't feel dom of speech is bullshit In the Catholic church, they
As you read this interview, you may notice that the like it. sondomned a priest in Buffalo for handing out con-
members of the bond do possess views which are not P . Personally, I started and stopped drinking at the age -toms during a sermon about AIDS He was trying to
in constant accordance with the views of their fellow of 16 because I couldn 't handle hangovers. It's my Norms people instead of saying 'the problem might
members; they are five different people with five differ- personal thing, so if others drink - that's their choke and 4o away it we ignore it .' You can't justify censorship by
ent sets of beliefs. yet through their individualism . M .SJ. heir lives. I feel that drugs and alchohol serve no
Peeping people ignorant
show that it is possible for people to work together and practical purpose Are these people so boring that Censhorship cannot be justified. But there still are
achieve goats despite certain differences The inter- snanswered questions like - should people's freedom
they need arttliclal stimulants to have a good time?
view was conducted by douanne of June-Tunaa r. T I don't give a shit about anyone else who wants to of speech he infringed upon A the person is spreading
and a more extensive version of the interview will be drink or do drugs! If that's what they get off on - fine, but es and false information? The song 'Back in Control'
minted in this fanzine's second issue for any of you who it's not for me s not really about censhorship, it's more or less about
may be Interested M.St ore John Rankin on vocab, gook in Control ?roups and people who condemn hardcore punk
Glenn Salter and Derek Emerson on guitars . Paul Moths .wthout really knowing what it's all about
I'm tired of apathy toward our kind,
on boss, and Tim Mc-hie on drums Parents and authorities keep themselves blind.
I : Certainly censorship con be juslAied Could you
MRR: Give us a bit of an Introduction and back- They sit and cdtk:tze from aim rnagine if there was no censorship at all, what kinds of
ground Information on M .S .I. without finding out what we ready ore
things they could be showing on TV and stuff? Censor-
G. M .S .I . was concealed around October '86 after the ship is another form of guidance and everybody needs
departure of Tim and I from the D.O .G. ranks . I spoke guidance to some degree
They accept the media's twisted impressions
to John after a gig one night about form ing a new of violent youth with hateful aggression.
MRR: Discuss your views on politics and other re-
hand and he was excited. Shortly afterwards, Paul they accept this as the truth. lated current events.
f rom Sons of Ishmael joined . Derek came irn a little after J . Myself, I'm more loft wing and I'm definrtey for
'Punk can only destroy our youth'
that. The rest Is history . peace One thing that really bothers me right now is
the star wars issue. Kennedy, in a speech made back
Support groups wont to become our saviours,
to put an end to this 'self destructive behaviour. ' in the '60's, sold that space would never be used for
ignorance I can't condone. any type of warfare, and that's just what's happening
right now . I Just can't trust governments who are so
If you don't wont to try and understand us. . . hypocritical - all of 'them ore hypocritical
then Just leave us alone!!
T : One issue I am really concerned about is this bullshit
MRR : Wells a lot of bands ana people carry a dre- Tree trade deal between us and the U S If the free
'card approach about being straight, you guys stress trade deal goes through. Americo is going to suck up
the Importance of having a choice In the matter. our whole economy and eventually our country . I wish
Why Is this type of choice so Important to you? that Mulroney would stop kissing ass to Reagan!
G. The number I reason to stress the Importance of a MRR: Tell us about the song 'Our Fight ."
'choice In the matter,' is not to come across as G . I wrote it and to me it meant setting a goal and In
preachers . Although It's a lifestyle that suits us, tt may time, with hard work, reaching It . It's about not back-
not suit everyone . We' re moiety just trying to make folks ing down on your beliefs, values, and personal morals
aware that they can, if they choose. step out from the Not letting things get you down ; faith and persistance
flack . As our song'Choice' goes, 'It's your choice, so can pay off Not listening to the negativity of others
you decide. Just be sure to lead your own Ile. '
and speaking your mind can do a lot for the morals
D. I have the choice to be straight, and others should More or less it's about not giving in
choose what's right for them Either way, their choice MRR : Do you feel that the concept of unity Is a
shouldn't effect our relationship . I don't believe in realistic goal to strive for or do you see it as an
preaching about it.
MRR: How do you think that a bond such as yourself unachievable Ideal?
f I don't think unity can be achieved I mean when
can counteract the accusations of "straight-edge"
being nothing more than Just another hardcore you rave 500 people at a show . what you have is 54f0
trend? different people with ditforent ideas, goals, and
J . In Toronto, f was a hardcore trend bock In '83 . I thoughts So I don't think it's possible . If a show goes its
full lenghth without o tight, that's good enough
wrote lyrics for a song that we do not have yet - It talks
about people who used it (the straight-edge label) to It could be achievable but the first step towards
be coot. it people think that we're o straightedge unity Is tolerance. If people at hardcore gigs can't
oven get along, how do they expect to achieve unity
bond because we think it's cool - that's bultshit 'cause
there's hardly coy of us in Toronto and we're getting with the rest of society? Unity within the scene should
slogged like you wouldn't believe! be possible with effort from everybody involved in the
G: Some people find Aso hard to believe that change scene . Hordcore should be for everyone interested
regardless of hair-length, color, sex, etc
can occur so they simply lough it off as being a trendy
hardcore thing to do . A lot of these people are MRR . What do you guys see as the present weak-
nesses of hardcore and what can be done in the
gnoront to the fact that It may well be o genuine
decision. future In order to help avoid situations like club-
?: For some people, straight-edge may be a trend, but closings?
I don't think so . At least It would be a good trend I
J Educate people on hardcore, because what I
wouldn't waste my time trying to counteract these believe causes trouble within hardcore is people who
believe that A Is a violent thing They think that
accusations.
MRR : How do you guys feel about people who go hardcore is nothing but violence . The reason why they
around slogging off bands with attitudes similar to think that is because the media shows only violent
punks. Some asshole watching TV out there is going to
your own? Do you think that these people are
intimidated or uncomfortable with bands who have say -'Punk Is violent, that's for nil' The media creates
a solid message to put across? a lot of these violent punks who cause club-closings If
D: They might feel like we're putting pressure on them they could just show some of the more positive aspects
of hardcore, this may not happen
to be straight, but we ' re not Instead, we're showing
them that there's an alternative Do we deserve to be MRR: What can we expect from M .S .I . In the future?
G: Possibly another 7', some , tunes on compilations.
slagged for that? We're being slogged behind our
pocks with no chance to felt our side of the story more gigs in town and out of town, more cool stickers.
I think that this style of hardcore a as valid os ony more 'tines from me, etc.
P. More good clean fuel
other style, it's just that o lot of people look upon it as
M .$ .I./ c/o John Rankle/ 60 Dalegrove Cr/ Debi-
nothing but very idealistic and naive dribble, Person-
ally, I think that mere Idealism Is a step too from a lot of coke, Ontario, M98 6A9/ Canada
WASHINGTON DC
MRR: You had been playing In IN PIECES . What around the fire, stuff like that, which was totally cool.
happened to that? For Christmas. I got all these photographs and I gave
Amy : It went to pieces . Ha ha . (lots of laughter) people pictures of my birthday party-fire party.
'Nicky : Guy (Picclotto) Introduced me to Natalie one K : Hence the name
night and two days later I started practicing MRR. IGnd of like pagan rituals, huh?
MRR : Wel, Amy's been singing for a while, but the K . Yeah, kinda
rest of you have just started to play your instruments A : I mean, its Just cool -- the atmosphere of Just
pretty recently, right? hanging out and just totally doing. ..
Ni : I've only been playing for two years. Na: Yeah, K was realty cool .. . It was really late at night
Na : I've played guitar for a while, but since we started and it was really fun . Everyone was just . ..
practising in Sept . there's been a big improvement. MRR : Like getting In touch with nature and stuff?
One thingI think is kind of cool Is that I never learned (laughter)
classically how to play, like all the rock and roll leads A : We just sat around the fire and it was raining and
and stuff . So I've learned to play my own way . The misty . We had candles. It was totally weird . . . As we
songs we first wrote were . .. speak, a candle is lit.
K : Garbage .. MRR : Yes, we're sitting In darkness getting the total
Na : Really simple and rudimentary. mood here . . . Okay, now I want to bring up
A: You can feel the difference. something . ..
MRR : Other than just being more technically K : I know what If is - do we wear our deordorantl
proficient now, what other changes in your direction MRR : I want you to decide whether you want to talk
have you noticed? about H or not . The whole thing about you being girls
A: Complexity . . .instead of Just trying to get through -- on the one hand, I don't even want to ask any
on our instruments and play what we know, were questions about it at all, because I feel I should be
trying to move into things that were not so sure of Interviewing you just like I would any other band . But
and experiment with new stuff. on the other hand, I feel that this is one of the few
MRR: You've had four shows so far, right? times In D.C ., let alone nationally, that this has been
A: Yeah, our first show was Feb. 28, 1987 . We've done, and I think it's important to talk about.
played Space, 9 :30, Space, and WMUC. A : Yeah - 1 think we should talk about It . it's Just a fact
of the way we live.
MRR: Well, first of all, when thinking of yourselves as a
band, do you think, ' we're an all-girl band ' ?
A : No.
MRR: How has the reaction been from other people,
though? It's very easy to say, okay, we 're gonna
think of ourselves as just four people, but when the
audience sees you and you're foMr girls, very often
they'll say, 'oh -- they're an all-girl band.'
A . Yeah, there was one guy who said, 'oh, an all-girl
bond; but then he heard the guitar sound and went,
'damn, that sounds really good .' We've hod both -
we've had really supportive responses like, 'they're
so hot .' and we've hod responses like, 'oh fuck, four
girls .'
K : And then we've had responses like . ' Why don't
they tune their own Instruments.'
Na : It can either be a curse or it can mean . ..
MRR How do you think your shows have gone? A . Extra support
K : The second one at DC Space was the greatest MRR: In the not so distant post, guys that we all know
thing ever for us. Daughter), they've said that they disliked girl bands,
MRR: Amy, what's if like for you to be playing at 9 :30 disliked girl singers, but now they're very supportive.
since you work there? A-There have been a lot of changes . All the guys
A : it's strange . I've already heard comments about are now like, 'Go! We want you girls to gal' Girls,
/me being the one to get us shows, which is bullshit. females, whatever. I hate 'women' . They say, 'we
because the band that was headlining the night we want to hear what you can do. We're gonna support
played there (Dag Nasty) had asked us to play . And you all the way .. . I think everyone's real supportive of
I think we're going to get less shows there because I us - females, males - all the way.
work there . I try and fight against It . it's not a big deal. K: I think we have an enormous advantage cause of
We've played out . Sometimes I worry about it, but I the people that we're friends with and the kind of
figure if I worry about it on both sides, it'll come out music we play. It's easier for us to get shows - it's
FIRE PARTY, a recently formed D.C. band. were even. easier for any of the people we know to get shows-
Interviewed May 20 . 1987 by Sharon Cheslow. The MRR: Where does your name come from? 'cause I know a bunch of people at school that are in
lineup is: Amy Pickering, 22, vocal• Natalie Avery . 20. AN: A fire party! bands and they keep sending their tapes to
guPor, Kato Samworth, 19, bass : and Nicky Thomas, K : Amy had a birthday party and they went to a fire everyone and they have such a hard time getting
17, dun*. (laughter). shows. I mean, we Just take It for granted.
MRR: So, how bout a brief history of the bond -- how A : It was my birthday and I decided we were all A . Well, we are in a pretty tight community and so,
you guys got together, that sat of thing. going to go out in the middle of somewhere and benerally speaking, everyone supports each other.
Amy: What happened? Oh, we didn't know each have a big bonfire and just hang out and dance Even if you don't know what the band sounds like,
other.
Natalie : Yeah, me, Molly (Burnham), and Amy had
dinner together about two years ago and Amy said.
'Do you want to be in a band?' We didn't know
each other . We had met once . We'd shaken
hands once . And I said, 'Yeah.' And then the next
day we went and got drums.
Amy: Walt, when was this?
Natalie: This was the summer of . .. summer of '85 . ..
Revolution Summer.
Amy: So we all got together . Notate said Kate was
good . I was playing drums, Kate was gonna ploy
bass, and Natalie was playing guitar.
Kate : We didn't start practicing with Nicky until last'
September . We needed a drummer 'cause we
wanted Amy to sing.
Amy: I decided that if I was ever going to sing. I might,
as well Just do it . because if I didn't, I was a sissy.
All : Yeah!
Natalie: I said either we get a new drummer or we get
a new singer and It's going to be a lot harder to get a
new singer that we at Nke. ..
Kate : And who's really good Instead of a drummer
who we already know.
Nlcky: I was really depressed and wanted a band
and they fell my vibes .


you're friends with them . So you know what s going

on and you're Interested In what they're doing . So its
easy . We've gotten support like equipment and
roadies . Everyone's really helpful . . . The thing is that
we have such good friends . Its realty close, like
(amity. And families give each other Jobs . It's like
asking your sister If you can wear her fucking clothes
or whatever.
K : Yeah, but I mean that's why It's hard for anyone
. else to get shows.

` MRR : Yeah, the family thing is like nepotism, and II

you have that In a music scene, it can create
problems.
A . But at the some time . .. K : And a lot of the bands in the last couple of years. I (-folk hums to a friend with first hand experience of the
K : It's lucky for us. mean, every once In a while . Like Rites of Spring and war in Ireland who's Involved with an IRA/Sinn Fein
MRR : It's lucky for you, but . .. One Last Wish. POW)
A : But I dont think we have any special advantages. No : The music Is so Important to everyone . We all A . Well, I do have to say that I'm totally for the violent
I mean, I con get a show at 9 :30 when I want, but I write songs together . There's not one person In the overthrow in England of, Ilke the vegetarians
don't abuse that . And I dont think borrowing band that writes the bulk of things . We all give each liberating the animals . There's not enough of that
equipment is abuse. other ideas here . And vegetarianism here is such a pain in the
Na : And DC Space is great about giving anyone a MRR : Both of you (Amy and NIcky) ore on the new ass. In England, you don't have to go to special
show . And same with Positive Force. Beefeater album. stores.
MRR: We may have a real good community, but A : Yeah, the Beef record . It was fun . It was totally MRR: Well that's 'cause this country's such a
don't you think It could be wider? I mean, it Is very cool . We love Tomas. We kiss him daily. meat-oriented society.
tight, but It Is also very closed. NI : It's a great record. A : Bingo . Anyway . I don't mean to preach.
Na : It depends. I mean, think about Mission A : A lot of people are on that record. I think Tomas' Ni : All of our band money goes to terrorist activity.
Impossible . They were out in Buttfuck, Virginia. idea was to get a lot of people that he dug musically That's why we don't buy equipment . (laughter)
A : Otherwise known as Fairfax. and he just said . ' you 're as on my record .' That was A . I mean, That Petrol Emotion is great because of
his whole idea--to get a community record and he their writing, influences . Man-, eading that shit.
Na : They didn't have any special advantage . but
put everybody's picture on it . Just a big, cohesive hearing about the IRA stuff you Just talked about, I
they were a good bond.
A. Good bands get recognized . In their circle of thing . That's where it's at. went and sow a play, 'Ourselves Alone'
MRR: Have you gone Into the studio yet? . . .everything influences you.
friends they're really recognized, and in our circle of
friends we're really recognized And ours Just A : No, we plan to do that No : That's one thing about the percussion Protests
K . I want tol by the South African Embassy . I think it's important to
happens to be here in D .C ., and theirs just happens to
MRR: Is it going to be at Inner Ear? try and protest In a creative way.
be elsewhere . It could be more open .. . I dont think
the close community that we're In is a hindrance to A : We're gonna do a four-track first . We don't want
anybody else. to Jump the gun.
Na : I think it helps them. K: But I'd like to . (laughter)
Ni : Yeah, cause I wasn't involved in that whole A. Kate might do a solo project . . .WMUC asked us if
community before this and everybody's been really we wanted to put something on their compilation
nice to me . It's not Ike it's closed off and you can't album.
talk to these people . It all depends on how you look K : Yes, please.
at it. A : So, we want to do a four-track with Jeff Turner.
A . I think people are Intimidated. MRR: Ah, the WGNS Studios.
Na : It starts to be this whole mythology. A : This summers just gonna rock 'cause there's so
MRR: Yeah, but how do you de-mystify It? many good bands out now.
Na : Well . I think that's one of the things that when we All : Happy Go Lucky, Rain . 3. Press Mob . Ignition. 1 \t. .\ \\ t;')\k+~\~~~ ~~14Y
go up and play, we just go up and do it, and we don't Shudder To Think. Darkness At Noon, Kingface, Ian's
make any grand statements. band If he ever gets out of the basement . Scream. MRR : But those have stopped . There haven't been
MRR: Wen, what sort of gods do you have : what sort Tomas' band. .. any since lost year.
of Impact would you like to have? A : There s tons of bands. Scream is just the greatest A : Yeah . Its really hard. Everybody's got to get
K: I think we just want to play a lot of shows 'cause it's band . except for Happy Go Ucky which Is probably motivated . Tomas was the main Instigator in getting
fun. the best band in the world ' It comes in waves Last this thing together by the White House . There's a
Ni : Yeah, I think we just want to have fun. summer there were only like two bands. new restriction In front of It where you can't have
A : We want to do what we're doing . The lyrics are Na : There's not many records out now, though, signs over a certain specified height and so we
not like, 'Hi . I paint my face like a clown . ' It's serious Ni : But the scene still goes on. each, 28 people . had the largest specified sign,
enough, but were doing it more for ourselves than as A: All these good bands, they don't have records each with one letter . And as together it spelled out
a statement to the whole world. out . They pkry, they have a good time, and that's Your President Is Lying To You . '
MRR: Yeah, one of the songs you do which I liked where the scene is. There's things happening. MRR: Okay, lost question-who here has tattoos and
had lyrics that went something like, the only way out MRR : Yeah, things definitely go In cycles. what do they say?
Is up.' A : Revolution Summer was the best summer ever. A : Natalie first.
A . That's 'Drowning Intentions'. Na : That whole period . Rites of Spring. .. Na : I have two . One's a flower and the other's an
MRR : Who writes the lyrics? AI : It was great) Edward Gorey drawing.
A : Mostly I do , but Kate wrote that one and Natalie's Na : It's something that really kept me Interested In MRR : Yes,yes-I know somebody else here does . ..
written some. music. A : I have a flower on my wrist and I have a three-part
MRR: What's that one about? A : Protests at the South African Embassy-fuck, that on my arm.
A : Drowning Intentions) was so greatl . . .So, everything 's cool . We 're K : A three-part trilogy.
MRR : You're going to avoid that one very carefully . I dgging:
i we're just hangin . (laughter) I'm tellin' ya. A : The first one . an I got about five years ago.
see. man, we're just hanging out and having a good time The next one . 'Drink Deep' . I got two years ago . I Just
K I can't remember) and we're not under any pressure . I'm totally into got the third one. Its a chalice, but It's Ike art deco
MRR : What sat of Influences do you hove? things just happening . All these old bands that are NI: I have a big dragon on my bock. (laughter)
Al : Wire, That Petrol Emotion. around-some of them suck, some of them are going K : I have a sunburst on my buttocks . (even more
A : Of course, the place and way we were raised. in great, new directions, Ike Scream. laughter)
Everything we've been surrounded by all our lives.
K : D .C. .
NI : The Bod Brakes.
I'm serious, good stuff Is happening . We have a
MRR : Lost words? FIRE PARTY / 3911 Jocelyn St, NW /
Ni: Have fun . Washington, D.C . 20015
A Exactly .
Cpositive outlook, I guess. DC : s a great place to be . .. A:I ride 'em.


ion . He s is very persistent about that type of stuff.

Jason : "eve aged a lot over time.
Jason: We have all moved apart a lot If it weren't for
Tim t think that our Sound has become more Unique the band, rm not sure that we would still be friends.
with the new atxrn much more So than that of a year
PJ: I think It's more like were Mends, insptte of the
or two ago. band.
PJ Hardcore and harder metal were my early Peter : We push eac 0 her a lot and people
Influences, but we have at tried to rise above the
sometimes get mad But that's what I Ike about SOT,
mie of generic thrash metal 'cause I can get together with people who want to
Tin:- I Bitten to other styles mote than hardcore any
get intense about music, and try to put all other things
more. The perousion in Jazz and out of our minds.
industrial-experimental are a lot richer than the
MRR : What was recatdkng your GRwms IWe?
straight beats of most punk.
Peter Psvchodelic Discare was a nightmare to
MRR: to are you moving away from hardcore?
record. The person who recorded It was moving, so
Peter Not of al . You always heat people saying that we recorded it with each person in a different room,
the style k dead, but That's simply not true . We
to you couldn't see anyone . That's red hard when
always put It back Into our mars, new krises and you play off each other a lot, especially the fast stuff
concepts from other forms For example one track
I had to run up and down this hallway looking in
on SensoryDepravation Took has ideas from a
different rooms for different parts of the songs.
gypsy song recorded at the turn of the century. PJ: t couldn't hear anyone or see anyone, and I sang
MRR: So, I understand that you (Peter) have a hot
In a showier,
shit mtssicd background . .. Jason : A pretty unprofessional job . We're glad It
Pete: t just was subjected to
was our fast record and that R's behind us.
PJ : His morn put big speakers on her be : whi i
Tim: t hate the studio . Everything sounds *O strange.
was pregnant.
Peter: But it sounds okay, and ht's gotten good
Peter: No. but they did p • Y reviews . And when people ?tear It and then see us
my dad is a very strange trusts protestor at the U of I.
live, they dig the songs they know off the at :e rrs
My mom's a music professor too, but she Is into MRR: So touring helps?
research of aid manuscripts rather than
Peter: Yeah, we want tO tour for the rest of our Rues
performance . They both talked to me a let about
what was good music, and what repetttive meant. Or at least the next ten years . We're working hard
My dad-fakes an Interest in the band and comes to towards that goal with the now ab,,m.
Jason ; Right now we can tour about tour months of
most of our shows. He likes some experimental that
l ye played him aim Stick Dog the year, when we're not In school . We're gonna
drop out as soon as we can make it . But school Is
MRR: What about the rest of you, what type of
good for now.
background do you have?
PJ: I dent think so. I jeep dropped out of high school. I
Jason: I hove pretty much Iodised to play With the
band and horn Peter and PJ . It 's kind of strange not to got rely tired of! utter collie . So did my teachers
because I would never come . But that s all done
have any experience outside of band, It helps us
write, though, because I work welt with Peter . who now.
MRR: So what are you gn
wines most of our songs Peter and f have bean
Peter: Well . the music's recorded . And dl the art is
friends and have worked on projects together for
done, so we must be putting out a new record.
seven yearn Jason : We want to find a label to release tt . Because
PJ : 1 play boa with lots of different people and might
an of our money Is gone, W. want a label that con
start a serious independent band this summer . 1'v
keep us touring, and let us continue to develop our
tong for two other bands that I formed before SOT own style . We don't wont o bass who wN ten us What
Tkrs : I learned mostly on mY Own but took jazz
to say and what to play. That's one thing we don t
drumming lessons for a while I have also drt;smed
wet want.
for serves! Whet bands including NAF, tat? Dedd
Marines, and Humors Error before SOT. Peter. I think it's very hard to start as a band from the
Midwest because most of the companies and
MRR: When was your tkst show and What was Il like?
dishtbuters are located on the coasts, Also another
PJ: Our first show was In the fc of '84 but that was
without Peter of Jason We only played two *songs problem is being from lower Ctty. There Is this strange
attitude that prevades the town, although tC . has lots
and only three people stuck around to see us,
of good musicians and tsetse bands. They all have
Jason: Our first Show was in May of '85 in the
o hard time recording or promoting themselves
basement of this little Comfnte collective
bookstore-nn okay place . There were lots of drunk because no bands have ever really done R . Most
people have the attitude that you can't
people and we were out of tune . but we got a much
from here.
better reaction than we thought we wo
Jason : We have spent more time to get where we
MRR : Wiest hammers; after theft
Tim.' We al got o Stile more frantic. are than marry bands do, but the time and
enviroment has had a large positive Impact on our
Jason: Qementr • . W' all •sot • Its,: -
music.
demented.
Four years ago In the basement of a suburbon MRR: How do you ' can more • amen o
MRR: What s•ectll
ranch home Suburban Death trip was formed. Tim, your
Jason : Lots of strange things happened that Peter, We u - ge in e tar . ore style
a drummer at the tender age of 14, and Pe i Partyhead sumnser, Lots of mental trauma and changes.
(crcayrnan, vocalist, and legend In to own hate) trop-where you are unable to progress as musicians
AJ i became a severe alcoholic and hung out on because people think you are selling out or going
wee the founding members, After several early fine the edge of my sorely for too long.
LP Changes, Peter, freshly frothed with his third band, metal or any other thing a band might do when the
Tim: Yeah, things were pretty hectic, guitar player learns his first lick.
and Jason, an eorly bass pkryer for the National
Petty' We at did a lot of experimenting. Jason; I have nothing against guitar Mods or any
Anarchist Front and friend of the famines joined to MRR: So what do you think of drugs now?
form the Site up that has remained the some for the other sound you can create on any instrument I
Jason, I hate them I have been straight edge for a don't think any one sound Is any more politkaly
last three years . With scores of shows and the long time now and feel a lot better than when I was
edrecAbn of time, SOT has recorded their second correct than any other. I think this Is one of the main
always In the twilght zone . I also have a lot more
obtfm This album i the reasons people say punk Is dead over and over,
energy for mu to and other important things In my because the bands don't push themselves and you
bands tat whale successful project, and the logical life.
development Of the* own btund of intense musical end up seeing the sane show and hearing the some
Tim: 1 realty dent Care one way or another butt Ike to
energy. The band's sadder releases include the yrics to the some song every time you boy a record
have d good trine. This style conformity is the type of musical attitudes
PiychortefnDlscore albums, and a raw 21 song
RI: Jason is very preachy about things Ike that . I that punk was a rebellion against.
caseate, Mind Sheltering PowerSkids of their sadly drink a lot, but why not? There's nothing better to do
unttrn'ied rhythmic throbbing. Suburban Death Tip Peter : Were not saying that everyone has to be a
with my tine. vercoso or give tf up, but that everyone should push
bps survived Their formafte years and now plans to
Peter ; I believe in free choice. People Can do what themselves and not conform to some
force their musical brainwashing opon the youth of they want, but I think they should not get their priorities
America and the world Interview by Smudged preconceived musical stereotype.
Massed up, Life first and then you can do whatever MRR: Any other closing comments?
MRR: Describe SUBURBAN DEATH TRIP. you want.
Tim : Were the guys next door, the type of people PJ : EnJayl
MRR: Does this cause any problems with In the Peter : Keep an eye out for us on tour late this
you Ike to take home to your parents We play the band?
type of music your grandparents like to dance to, summer and next fall . Look for our new album next
Jason : They loop me up all night when we are on the fall Hope to meet you alt some day.
PJ: The product of a warped envlromenf and bad
road, but that's about It. Jason: Anyone In the Midwest who wants us to play
acid. Peter : Jason used to bitch a lot about stuff like that
Jason : The best way I can describe our music is that should write me . We pion on touring from now on.
but doesn't as much any more. He's always ready Tim: We will be doing shows with the Iowa Beef
we're the band rye always wanted to hear. to put Ina word for his 'good causes .'
MRR: And what's that? Experience next fail . They are a new band we
Jason: That's not bad. Is it? We all Just have very 'dkcoveted' who have been opening up for us ever
Peter : Kind of a Combo of metal and easier English different lifestyles and I don't care what you do as
sluff that got left in the sum too long and turned lariat since . \
long cis you don t fuck up a show or somethl SOTa/o 3ason Boer/ 11113 C SI / town City, IA 62140


ILLINOIS . . . '!n•raa.rrSnur.e .

Sammy's Touch & Drive-In, an ItaN'an beef and

sausage eatery on the south side of Chicago . ' f
provided the location for the conversation held in ,
mid-April with Burble Army. Barbie Army. a relatively r
new band, has been performing all over Chicago ;t
these past few months and most recently, opened a , '
show for Wendy O . Williams and The Piasmatics. ,4
During the conversation, they were, at times a little
brash, but very open. There Is some slight editing for k,t
space . Interview by Charles Bernstein of Coos Hate 't
QQLtyzine.
MRR : Please introduce yourselves around and state 1''
what you do for the band.
JL : ! dont do enough for the band . My name is Jean,
I'm the lead guitarist and all four of us do vocals . "
JJ : I'm Judy the bass player, corporate accountant
and business person.
MD: I'm Mary, rhythm guitar.
TM: I'm Tina the drummer.
MRR: How and when was Barbie Army formed?
JL : Well Charles, put it this way, April of last year . Judy
and t were In a band called Fudgetunnei . Mary and I
grew up together and I met Tina at a party at my own
house, where she let slip that she was a drummer . So
we said . 'Let's get a band together,' so we got
together and did it.
MRR: Why did you choose the name Burble Army?
MD : Because Mattel, the company that makes M-16
rifles, is also the company that makes GI Joes and
Barbies, so we thought that meant something.
MRR: How would you describe the sound the band
makes?
JL: Loud, rock and roil.
JJ : Its actually sort of something from each of the four
of us. We've got the 60's pop, we've got the
hardcore, we've got the death rock, we've got the
straightforward . M's the individualism of each of is.
MD : Mod-psychedelic 60' s garage.
TM: Fuckin' kick-ass rock and roil, man.
CB : What are the advantages/disadvantages of
being In on all-women group?
JL : Our menstrual cycles coincide. . . sorry, Borbies
,', don't bleed.
MD : The advantages? We can hold o crowd even if
we don't play very well.
JL: Disadvantages, Is we get advertised as bitches
and stuff like that, when they don't even know us.
JJ: One of the advantages is definitely not getting the
2nd citizen treatment from other members, like you
would In an all-guy band and one of the main
disadvantages is being at shows and having jag-offs
yelling, 'Show us your tits . Jump up and down' and
being advertised as sleaze.
It' MRR: How well are you respected or accepted by

j other bands, considering the all-guy bands and the

F mixtures of male/female bands?
JL: A lot of people are Jealous because we can get
gigs and make more money at certain places than
' they would, just because were girls.
` TM : I think we hold o little remorse because they ' re
better than we are and yet, we got more gigs than
; they do . It's not the fact that we try to get gigs . M's just fuck with it, because they think we can't handle it
the fact that were women. While were playing, somebody will be switching the
:S .'; JJ : Accepted? Yeah, we're no problem . I mean vocals around and you won't know what's going on.
we've got tits, asses and a couple of other really :t Guys will take charge, that's kind of o hassle.
accepted parts of the anatomy. j'^ii TM: Yeah, after the gig, people are always like . 'Oh.
JL : They seem friendly, god knows If they're being X' can I help you with that?' God! I hate it, I can handle
' snotty or what. f my drumset myself . They automatically think I'm o
MRR : Do you think clubs ote giving you an { weakling and I have to have as this assistance. JJ : Yeah, I'd like to get a hearse . As far as I'm
advantage because you're women? I know there's JJ : We were at Nasty Habits, we had the headlining concerned, being In a girl band, If we got the
not a whole lot of women's groups around and I band offering to carry our equipment, carry our stamina and really got goals to stick around . I'd like
imagine you would go through a lot of stereotypes . .. 4guitars and tune up for us. I mean, I've got a 100- to make a record and also like to moire some kind of
• MD : We like to make fun of stereotypes though. pound amp that I'm capable of handling by myself statement and try and change the attitudes that
People try to apply them and they cant really and if Tiro can handle her drumset, I can handle our everybody has toward girl bands.
Sometimes we wear sparkly clothes . Jean wears amp, we can handle our own stuff. we've accepted TM : I think rock and roll Is at Ms all-time low at this point
tampons on the stage . She puts them on her clothes, that shit as part of the responsibilities . Besides, we and we have to do something about bringing It to the
so she's taking a stereotype and turning it against the don't have the kind of cash to hire roodies. surface at least . There's so many bands around
crowd, I think. ' MRR: Where do you see Barble Army's place in the know that don't even core about what rock and roll
JL : We had one case and I get the feeling Its not the future? was meant to be In the first place . Our own thing is to
;, lost, where we went down and we were female and TM : Saturday. bring rt bock.
we were asked to play in this bar called Nasty Habits JL : Our place? Tina never thinks about tomorrow . I MRR : Is there a record or tape coming from you
in Whiting, Indiana and the other band decided they +' . want to make a record, but I Just don't wont us to pay shortly?
`'' didn't have to pay us and we didn't have anyone for M . 'Our god is to make some piece of vinyl that is JL : We've just released a 10-song cassette coiled
heavy that was going to force them to cough up the Z. good, but not necessarily popular, so that you can Barheauw, soon to be marketed.
cash. Occasionally we have these minor tragedies, find it In a thrift store in 20 years and say this is a great For further intormo►ion/correspondence write
but we ended up getting paid, we ended up raising a record . I'm more interested in doing that kind of thing to Burble Army/ 838 East 57th Street/ Chicago . IL
stink. than signing onto some label . We'd also like to tour 60637. , comment attributed to the Chicago band.
s MD: When the sound system is bad people always at some point, as soon as we et o vehicle . Sponge.


ALABAMA

MRR: Why exactty have you been dance - rroi .i u ..

the clubs In Birmingham? How do you feel about 'boi l
rest d the Birmingham music scene?
Duhg : When people first saw us . at the . Nick they
s . We ire hod our ups and downs nor sure . - We've were offended, especially the chicks behind the bar
played some classic shows and we've played There are no other clubs to have us in B'ham All the
some absolutely disastrous ones . The main thing to clubs aim at rich trot boys and such . There was one
me is that we've stuck together for four-and-a-half club open awhile . The Rock . who let us and some
,'Jabama. Hell yec.i. Shur happens, Amkfit years . I'm proud of that . As far as significant other bands play several shows before they went
this climate of fiery Ignorance and cultural changes go . the one big one that comes to mind is I under.
Impotence, GNP. or Grossest National Product, when Chris joined up with us two-and-a-half years Chris : I don't know. Some people think we're too
formed five years ago from a whisil
mcaeaoId t ago . As for as how we do things now, as compared
'shad a bond .' Since then, they've progressed, to then, we've been trying to keep our live sets livelier obscene and although we can be crude,
I added new members, gained a 'cuff' following, by not fucking around so much In between songs. sometimes, I don't believe we're obscene. Some,
re leased one out of print' demo and played too We used to do that constantly. people think we' re too loud, which we are . . ., others
many shows/spectacles and/or disasters to Chris : I think we're getting o lot better, we work think we don't make them any money, but we could .)
mention. With a sound unique unto themselves, GNP toegether really well these days . We practice a lot opening for out-of-town bands or something . That'
balance quick-paced thrash with slow Stooges- more now, and we've gotten a lot of new songs kinda makes me pissed, the scene's pretty lame, but
Inspired dirges . Consisting of Chris plucking the down -- also we've branched out as far os our style I do what I can to get more people turnd e ono t us
guitar, Spike yelping the vocals, Charles plunging out is concerned, but without getting mellow or anything. and other hardcore and alternative bands.
o powerful bass-fuzz sound, and Dugh pounding the Duhg : We started out not knowing what the fuck we Spike: I hate taking about th si . I don't know. The rest
drums with stick-splintering fury, the band has ! were doing so we played a lot of tucked up shows of the B'ham music scene is pretty lame we have
recently recorded new demo material that not only i but it keeps us humble. some cool bands. . . PMS, STUNT PIG, the OTHERS, the
attests to their proficiency, but may be destined for MRR : Do you feel any pressure between what you FREDS, MASS CONFESSIONS and a handful more that I
vinyl or another tape release--definitely something can create artistically and what you can get paid to haven't heard yet, not too mention shltloods of kids
to watch fort This interview was recently conducted do? How much do profits enter Into what you do with trying to get something going.
with the band through the mail. MRR : Any last comments?
i G .N .P .? How do you feel about bands that are
MRR: Do you put any meaning Into the name GNP? Chris : Uh, come see us, write to us, support your
directed by the dollar?
I C : Sure . Were the Grossest Notional Product . Most scene, peace, etc.
1 Spike Good question Firstly . we never get paid shit, Spike : Yeah, If anyone wants to write us, please do!
of Amerika would probably agree . I try to be kinda but that's fine with me . That's the way I want it to be.
'gross. I write songs about jacking off, rabid dogs. With me, profit is of no concern, but then I have a Anyone who has written us and hasn't recieved a j
,vomiting, whatever strikes my fancy . I write some reply ., Please PleasePlease
,ac write ae bkt th
day job, so that's where my money comes from.
:pissed off songs too . I try not to pup any punches . It's address Included, most of the mail has been coming
plus I own no equipment so I don't have to pay for
not pretty. I like to think of us as the musical anything to get fixed, replaced, repaired, etc . and I to my address, but I moved awhile back arid the moil
.equivalent of being bashed in the head with a gets all tucked up when you move . We don't forget
hardly ever drive to practice or any of our shows so I people on purpose . Unless you 're on asshole (just
'sledge hammer. don't really need gas money . Bands that are
S: I cant really remember what the meaning of It was kidding).
directed by the dollar . . . GET THE FUCK OUT!!
"Then we first made It up . Actually, a friend's dad However, money must be available for bands to Send letter, correspondence, and beer tabs
!mode it up . Now It means to me the four of us, just (for the worlds' longest chain) to G .N .P ./ 115 Sterrett
exist, at least In this fascist day and age of Amerika, Ct # 62/ Homewood, Al . 35209/ (2176) 942-1 188
iriends hanging out, thrashing . It's just the name of but profit doesn't need to be made, that's bullshit . A
,our band I guess.
band should be a labor of love. That way It can be a
D Groovy n' peaceful. truly honest band.
iNRR : A lot of people, myself Included, hove been
Chris We don't ever get paid . I'd like to, because I
impressed with your progress In recent years . How
yo you feel about GNP in years post? Hove there have the most fucked-up equipment, and I need lots
of repair work . I break my guitars all the fuckin' time.
,, een any significant changes In recent times (in
so I do need the bread, I really hate bands who ore in
.toLher- ',art ig.jt0pris ._!- let?
it solely for the cash, but I can understand the need
f_o__r it . Money sus, but its a necessary evil right?

Mc*e it All Better

How'd things get so fucked up
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a sticky web of problems
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Interview by Michelle Coll not show considefapilon for us. They had a very
The ATOMIC GODS is a localband of seniority anti-American attitude problem.
semesters . Sean Sloan, 26, on guitar . and Richard George : They acted like we were Just along for the
Obson, 26. on vocals, with their rhythm section of ride, and not there Ayr the same purpose they were.
George Genetekus, 23, on bass . and Alan Strong, 16. We donated al the equipment and built the stage,
on alums. and they were unappreciative.
MRQ What are your backgrounds as Informed and MRR: What ore your future plans for the band?
active punk musicians? Richard: Recording our tape . Our stickers and t-shirts
Sean : My major In college is interdisciplinary politk:d should be out any day . Playing out of town . Europe.
science, history, and sociology. I was the singer and Letterman.
songwriter for a previous band, F8 . Interviews are George : Being self-productive and self-supportive.
difficult because it's such a limited exposure and Going to Denmark.
you are known for what you say . I edlted a fanzine, The Atomic Gods c/o Sean and Richard/ 6409 Bristol
S,ivll Disobedlenc$ . I promote shows because too Wy/ Las Vegas, NV 89107/ (702) 877-1910
many other people are motivated by money and
goals other than the higher purpose of the music Modem Rome
which is enlightenment.
Richard : My major In college is communications. These are the days
We've been in the scene for six or seven years. I've of modern Rom.
never been in a band beteofe I've worked on History comes fi circle
fanzines before with CD, etc . rye helped promote and nothing has been learned
shows . Were socially-politicgtlyactive with the these are the days
antt'nuclear and anti-apartheid klllues of modern Rome
to* Now do you best represent V . to the larger can you see the
pwth Music community? ancient story
Richard :: We have a song called 'Modem Roane', written with blood
and we play up the Cheeky L .V. image . Its abouti of innocents burned
how things have come Circle with the Roman ;
Empire and American Ernplrt ► Ond the epitome of it b The carnival begtins
LV . with triple X exotic dancerll to your room and all an orgy of over-indulgence
the gluttony. We could do something in L .V . . I have a the children of mother earth
L.V . tattoo. are now the gluttons
George : Nothing has really come out of here yet. at her breast
Sean : To present L .V . os a happening, vibrant, and The TV arena shows us
alive scene that Is growing . We have a unlgWe thing gladiator sports and tens us how we see the world
here . Sin City . The confrontt;ilkln of good and evI and when what we see is real
Armageddon. Time has run Is course
MRR : Supedlends meet the Maniacal Maestro its many men have dyed unkown
Mirth and Mayh ►m.Should pun* Music Intergrate has anything realty Changed
serious social -polfttcal issues or should It just be fun here in modern Rome
entertainment?
RlChard . Both . It can be fun and still put a message
across, but I think the message is very Important . A
sense Of humor is a sign of high intelligence and is
Important to the message.
George : tt ought to have some kind of talent and
worth to It, some quality to the rtsusic, not just fun or
politics. Being a good musician with musical artistic
interest.
Richard : It's folk art.
MRR: Does punk music and today's youth have a
useful or any effect on our world condition to otter It?
Sean: Yes . Punk music or any music does have an
affect that will only continue to increase based on
settous comrnittment of intelligent individuals to
si none goofs.
RlChord: t think punk music has an effect because
when kids listen to it they start to qIa lu n the status
quo, and read lyrics and fanzines and get involved.
The only way to abler the world condalon is by
educating people and punk music educates
because the lyrics can lead to questioning and
enlightening, Rock music doesn't educate people,
everyone educates themself, but the movement
Itself through the diffused punk network educates its
own members and Its own members reach out as
individuals and educate other members of society.
MU: What was one of your mote tn*tesling
projects?
Sean and Richard; We were at an action at the test
site, and toed to a guy from the APT (American
Peace lest) and he told us that these Danish people
were coming to town, Fifty Danish kids raised $150,000
and came to the U .S. to express their desire for p test
ban treaty . (St . Rosemary and Judy Treichel met
them in Copenhagen last fall for the 1986 United
Nations World Congress for the International Year of
Peace and the Trees, and discussed plans.) They
v isited the Nevada Test Site to play a protest gig wtth
their pap band. WW offered to help them with show
arrangements . They asked us to play and we got
other local bands to play too, like FSP and VA . Some
of us put some of them up while they were in town.
They smoked too much and were too skinny.
Someone sabotaged the transportation buses by
canceling them, but a lot of locals still showed up.
They told us not to drink beer and we did. ZF1e Sound
rtsm WM late and VA, our good friends, didn't get to
play. The Danes threw a big bright painted beach
ball of the Earth over the fence onto test site
property . It was enjoyable and productive and we
would have liked to have been mote Involved In the
organization . However .the Whets thing was more
self-gratification for them to put down America and


out, religion, MRR, Sid and Nancy now a major motion

picture? In 20 words or less!
Wally Choice, reality, sickening, madman, boring, yawn,
no excuse, hope, numero uno, who? Hey, that's only 12
MRR: How much money have you made as a punk rip-
off artist?
Wolty Are you kidding? You mean there's money to be
made at this? When do I start? No . Chris, like you, I'm in It
for the fun . If we make any profits, we put them right bock
into the records, ads, and needy organizations Right now
I'd say we are about $2 .000 in debt . We stay alive because
of support, and projects that keep on going . If we do ever
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start to make money, we d just keep on trying to help out
those smaller, yet deserving, bands like we try now. We
definitely don't own any fancy cars, or a house . I won't lie,
though It would be nice not to owe anyone a penny from
this.
MRR : Are punks in Alaska cos they don't know any better
or mu its hardcore heaven?
W : There realty aren't too many that I've met so far . But the
ones I have met ore really sincere and cool. Because of the
distance and money involved in getting shows with 'lower
48' bonds if's tough . That's the real puzzling thing . Why
aren't there any great bands from up here? I wish I knew,
=. .ttA.v~ew Ly 4h tits eft, and maybe I con try to remedy that situation . We'll see.
Ever since the two 'Woo Between The States' 90- -
on . We Just about broke even, e enough to look MRR: When is your wife leaving you, and can a person
minute US. comps came along. I've wondered what per- at future projects We'd also like to do of least 3 solo band live a middle class Its and still be core?
verted hardcore musical wino made them happen Wally projects a year. At this time . I'd lie to thank my partners W : First of ail Chris (The Enquirer) B .C .T., my wife is not leaving
seems to have a taste for phone coils, so we've built up o Pierre in Baltimore ondJohn in Boise . Without their help in the me . Seriously, she's always been a great force for me . the
good/rierdhhipwithoutbeing inthesomecity. He thrives on beginning, no L .P. would ever have happened. label, the bond, and everything that involves hardcore . We
the wealth of good tunes and attitudes that is often found MRR: You're In the service, right? For God and country, met at a Block Flog show In'84 . Even our son Mykel likes the
In hardcore, Eke trading, treating each other equally while or glory? Maybe a balanced diet? stuff He canted the difference between hordcore .and 'hit
we're different and piecing together some way to store Wally: Oh boy, here comes that hate maul Yes, I'm in the My speakers are blown thanx to him and his laves, LUDI-
some of the tors of world mtoic that ismode, ye thus o tough U.S.A.F . ONLY TEMPORARILY! You see, It wasn't my choice. CHRIST, CHRIST ON PARADE and CRUCIFIX . I'll see if I can't
time getting released 'cause it ain't Top 40. WoRy, who used Well, not much of one. . .go to jailor Join the service . At times show him or guide him through life as a caring and nice
to have some Beavers (who have mysteriously disappeared I wonder if there's any difference. If anyone out there has person . That before the music is one of my main goals in life.
with the formation of Phantom Records and leaving So. the notion of joining any service, It give you hundreds of Well we're sure as hell not middle clan, but I think so . it's on
Carolina), obis released the notion' but hardcore There'sa reasons not to. About the only positive thing (there is one?) attitude for the most port . If that person is sincere and shows
Method To Our Madness L.P. Despite at the sloes In the is that I get first-hand accounts of the bullshit . lies, and Interest and support, why not'? You don't have to sport a
world, none hove mooted him out for on interview, so heck. moronic attitudes our country sometimes displays . I' d be out mohawk, be on food stomps, no welfare, etc . to be a punk.
I wonted to hear his life story os o punk oddIct, and mainly, in a few years. and then I'll devote a lot more of my time to I con though see where a person can sort of dislike a better
cta he's world rich and famous from being the vocalist of the groups I already am a part of actively: Greenpeoce, off person at first . Get to know folks, book coven are no way
Fear Itself. Yowl Amnesty Internatkonol, Sane . I get a lot of shit from Uncle to judge.
MRR : Seems to me, your band is part of a unique punk- Som about this, and that's only the beginning . Being in a MRR : What keeps you going of this?
metal that Isn't obnoxiously metal . Hall of the new bond, owning a' punk' label, constantly bitching about our W: Well, like !said before it's not the money) Uke most people
Wretched also seems part of that, klnda metal without ways . always gets me In trouble . I don't care though, my in our situation it's the love of the music, ideas, and people
sounding metal . Your lyrics remind me of some Viking wfe and I have discussed It and If It gets me thrown out, so and friendships made by f . I realty cannot see where I'd be
movie. Was a brain turned on when you came up with be It . I just love hardcore and the people . Af of my closest today or see life without hardcore . I'm soil of exaggerating,
them, or do you go for the entertainment value? friends know about this unfortunate situation I'm In and they but it's a real Integral and important part of my life . Having
Wally. We really don't reel that our music Is at ad metal understand It. For those of you who don't, I'm sorry . Life is a band write tome and saying hey we got a letter because
sounding . We have thrash . power . lots of rhythm, and that' s cool, people suck! of the comp we were on of yours, or making a new friend,
about It. If people count having strong guitar leads put In
metal, wet then we're guilty, but we'd rather consider
ourselves() new type of band in the vein of Ludichrist or Bom
LVlkl 4 Pfe&Ae tw ,k s o d J P., I4 Is L. v cL AAA-
Without A Foce . As our the says, yes, most of my lyrics deal
with fear . What causes f, how I view it . and a little of how It
effects me . With these sick, twisted, war-perverted, poro-
raid people who are ruining our Wes, het yes I'm scored
and rm not afraid to say It . A few hove said our lyrics ore
satanic. Not Ijust choose tosometimesuseeither monsters,
typical 'scary' thoughts, together in o way that people
would see how I sometimes view these Idiots War . stanro-
tion, politicians, closed-minded people are oil examples of
what makes this world so tucked . Our songs have many
double meanings. You con view It as another horror song,
or seevino (orwhat) youcanplace inRsplace . Listen to our
yrics, we mean them.
MRR : You're in Alaska and the rest of the band is in
Georgia or So . Carolina or something? You guys still
doling?
Wally: I'm in Alaska and the rest of the band Is oil over the
place. Our drummer's in New York, guitarist in Son Diego,
and bassist in So- Carolina . We keep in touch, and we will all
get back together some day . After we recorded our LP,
though, we called it quits because at the time there were
too many personality conflicts, between mainly the drum-
mer and I. We recorded our f Irst demo otter being together
1 month, and did the IPafter being together only 5 months.
It was short, but sweet
MRR: How many of the "Method" comps did you sell? hat's a typical week like, "punk-wise," for you? or helping a small bondget on their feet, or having someone
Was It worth It? Walt There is no real octrvo punk scone up here, so I must just say thanx — all play an important part . It all really boils
Walt . We said 1,500 of them . Fuck yes, It was worth doing. rely on my moil and my record collection and contacts. down to being a nice person. Let's lust hope this never des,
Doing cassette comps was a great way of getting started, '
There isn't o day that goes by that I don t answer mail, listen hardcore I mean.
but vinyl is the ultimate way to help a bond(s). I was really to tapes and records, read zines, and think about hordcore/ MRR : Are you burn' out on hardcore? Do you still get off
proud of the way it got so much positive response . I guess punk . Even when we are deployed somewhere . I bring on the hot tunes and attitudes or do you see nothing but
this way bonds thought we were a real serious label cu¢ the tunes and Ones with me . About the only things I miss about punk living past its prime?
mod hasn't stopped coming since its release We've met so So. Carolina are the tons of friends, shows, and the parties W: I don't think I'll ever get burnt out on hardcore . It's too
marry cool bands, people, that just these reasons are and relative closeness to my friends in other states . That's much a viol port of today's ideas on various topics . The
enough to keep going on. I Just wish more bands, *specially about it. music is awesome most trios are sincere and important,
international ones, would send more demos for us to hear. MRR : What do you think of vegetarianism, nuclear war, there ore funny bonds to make you lough, others to make
'
We d be doing at least 1 compilation every year from now pollution, Reagan, speedmetal, skateboarding, HC sell . you think, rind others to riot lot you enjoy hoing yoursol or o


punk . Hardcore is music that matters . 1 love to hear my by tapes. Re cords for me went a heck of a lot foster and !got
favorite bands crank out new and powerful stuff and what Block Market, any R.K . Sloane come, Twilight Zone, and
a lot more moll after I started 'vinyl only' It's also harder bads more . I won't say some of the worst, but let's say that
I enjoy more Is a new and upcoming band that blows me screw up vinyl than topes. People can always bootleg zings or bands that try too hard to push a certain way of Ise
away. Most bonds have very little money, but like us India records on to tape,and I really don't care as long as people cause they think it's so perfect I e . . straight edge, positive,
labels pour everything they have into music and the out- hear the music and that no money is being mode from B. speedcore etc well I don't care for there Variety is great,
come is great . Bands and labels like thus along with great Most dstributors
i SUCK!!! For every good dealing I tad, I had
people supporting them are what makes hardcore so fun. let's keep It that way
10 bad ones you get lied to, cheated, avoided, etc . Be MRR : Do you hove anymore earth shattering revelations
Sometimes the scene will go through a slow stage, but I careful and shop around Get references and be careful. to dump on the fools that have no more taste than to
know that soon I's get that tope or hear about some new Same wtth pressing plants . They he and suck shit too. tt just read and listen to this hardcore crap?
bands that peer me up again. I still don't think that we've seems sad that so many folks call themselves punks, but are
seen its prime yet. W: Sure, keep on doing it. Hardcore is Se . 'Friends break
out to make big money off of us and screw us over Their day down barriers of space and time Communication is a
MRR : Do you have a lot of moll to catch upon and what will come weapon of unmeasurable power . That is from o friend of
is it with these people who keep in contact worldwide MRR: Is FEAR ITSELF's LP going to happen owns you going mine, John Valet
cuz they're infected with hardcore and become mail to give in to your country/western/disco passion In- MRR : Mall Interviews are stiff and stilted. Why don't you
addicts? stead? cruise (missile) down to Son Diego and show se why
W . I've got and get tons of mall . I answer most as fort as I can W: Chris are you OK? I never knew that type of music really
and as lengthy too . Most people include stomps, stickers, you're the punk rockinist artist/ producer/ talent, that
existed . The FEAR ITSELF LP is out now you boneheodl MCA, RCA, CBS, EMI have somehow managed to over-
etc so they'll get the fast answer, stickers, catalog . records Haven't you been reading Roping Stone, Kerrong, or Time? look when handing out their million dollar contracts?
bock from me. The rest, well It depends on how they come Seriously, by the time this hits the t nes it will have been out W : Cause I be broke Chris. I'd love to visit the other coast . Is
across to me. It's just super to see how much of an influence for a while . Finaity . I know! We're going to release o very there one besides the East? I will someday, but for now I'm
punk is worldwide . I'm a mail addict and a phone addict limited edition of 100 copies of our first recording session on
too. I love to talk about music constantly and I'm always safe up here . Those big time realize that I'm too much
a 7' with 6.8 songs to show what we sounded kite in the competition for Bon Jovl . He's s000 ugly. Ask Tim and Martin,
looking for that new band . I guess that people real ize that beginning And other than about 5 comp LP's from all over they'll tell you how cute and loveable I am. I wouldn't take
this will never get to o level like Top 40 so we hove to stay like the world, FEAR ITSELF is just a memory .
we ore ord s up to us individuals whether horde ore will live the money either, the govt would get the most of it and buy
MRR: What ore some of your favorite punk bands, zings arms.
or die! and some of the worst to you? MRR : Any closing comments?
MRR : What's the difference between releasing tope and W . ONE the top. some of the bands that are crucial and
vinyl? What have your experiences with big punk dis- W : First thane for this interview and thane to all that have hod
mandatory for long life are LUDICHR5T, BORN WITHOUT A faith, support hardcore in any way . Remember you have
tributors been like? FACE, early BLACK FLAG . J2K2 . PTL KLUB. CRUCIFIX, CHRIST nothing to fear, but FEAR ITSELF Write to us, we core . Oh yes,
W The big difference is cost . It costs lots of money to put out ON PARADE, BAUHAUS, JOY DIVISION . DISCHARGE . and lots Chris you son of a bitch, one day I'll get you for all of these
vinyl It's well worth it though Bands seem to respond foster of others There ore too many records to even start to questions . Lots of love PEACE, Walt,/ Bards, get in touch"
to a vinyl project than tope . but I'm sure we all started out choose from Reading goes to MRR , Sporadic Droolings,

On an HI-fated night in May of 1886, the three :; :;: We can attempt to explain the idea behkscl } : So within the grooves of this latest vinyl ite
remaining r ; embers of the defunct bond S.ACREO .: North of the Order, ' even though art is atwaystir :}message. one may see entities foreign from the {ti
DENIAL re, allied to again breathe life Into the effort . It Interpreted by the audience, But whether It be band .
: : familiar Sacred Dental traits . But obviously, as aft `;:•;
had been over a rioter-ice the demise of the band, member or new listener, It Is necessary minds deal cotlectivety and not abstractly, each :::;
because of the exit of their drummer . All It took wigs 0 ,::: ::understand what Y behind the mile . As all forms of; mind builds up from square one - only being obis to
little faith and patience to try to put the pieces back : : art are an experiment, we too have our trials. For us, ;~::• ;ex pond/progress by taking note and applying that ::
together . Accosting a new, fresh mend to compote :: :;we look at 'North. .,' as our irkl of what has bec:orne :•:, ',wh ich It originsN began with. Heretoo Is an exarrpta
the tour piece group, they began anew to continue :: :: of today . One can look bock and see how music of that expansion: that new foreign element . Yet it
• ::.on the legacy. not only appropriate for the time It was created . buts::: could not exist without using those oftylnd building r:•:
It was sttlase It was unfamiliar . An attempt to : ;also how it expreties a neanirt8 . a purpose and a ;~:: blocks gy,
Il, that original belief. energy. ga . and se.
;• :carry on . Keeping the old beliefs, the energy, the°' ..,; . :.:: . : . : : : tee ng .
$message, the feeling and yet . .. Progress, . . as we
for as time progresses one leans and
ti:experlences new things - through which there results
aYt endess expansion of the mind and soul . Indeed
.the band was now complete again and hayxneting
: ;:,away, forging on a new path, the product of which -
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MRR: And you're up to Issue number ..,?
J: Eighty should be out In September.
MRR: How has the magazine evolved over tho
years?
J : It started as a house fanzine for somo poopio who
were Wing In a squat. Mors how the name came
about too.
MRR : What doss the name mean?
k: 'Koekrand' moans something like the edgo of a
cake, but It can also bo the dirty ring around o tonot. So
the guy who was doing the fanzlno never cloanod tho
toilet propody, so people thought the name was type•
cal for the building . It can also rote; to the dirt of socloty.
And In Dutch you con spell It another way, which also
translates as 'cow newspaper, which led everyone to
think It hod to do with cows. It was a mystory for 7 or 8
yoan. but people finaty found out how It came about
MRR: At the present, 1I's printed on glosy paper—
ms H always that way?
.1: It was stencsted at first, a pro-xerox process. done In
4 or 5 deferent cobs. When I joined, I tried one on olfwt
to see what It would be like and It worked out OK
Actualy, the glossy paper Is cheaper there than nor-
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mal paper. It has somothing to do with not having
wood In It.
MRR : You print relatively few copies ...
J : Yes, o thousand. its expenshro, and If It breaks ovon. ..
most of the time It doesn't. Sa•aa
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J : Maybe Just stupidly. It's like some soft of hobby that J Its easier to live your own life there . Out-of-town,
dot out of hand. I can't slop it anymore because there you have family stuff, like the metallers who get sr-
ono o lot of subscribers and people who toll mo not to married and have 2 kids and lead a traditional life. J : I guess so, but not in a negative way . Its there, as
;top. Punks have children too, but seem to deal with It
MRR: How Is Koekrend different from other furor long as there are people who like the music, it'll stay.
differently. So, a lot of the old crowd hangs out there, MRR: Do you still find enough stimulation to maintain
wean fanzines? live in squats, etc.
I: I think the main difference Is that the music Is not the you, or is It purely habit?
MRR: Do they get cynical'? J : No, not purely habit . But you have to do something
nosh Important feature of IL Music covers about hoe of J Like me . yeah.
t, because there's some politics In It. But thot's de- to be part of this whole scene, so they say . But I do
MRR : What's mode you cynical? feel that if I would Just give up now and get a job and
:reasing. I guess because that's the tendency within J : Just that it's been going on for 10 years now, and its
the punk movement' There's also things In K about Just buy the records and listen to the music and talk
., .ings but not really that much . Also. with my friends about this new band, etc ., that I
writers, poetry, movies. There's always something In it
a lot of people still seem to think it's a revolutionary wouldn't get any satisfaction out of it . It's about
about o radio station or concoct hall whore bands play.
thing, like the politics ore so Inportant . I think it's making your opinion known about things, and about
A lot of things about values or ideas poopb have.
When bonds ore intoMowod, they folk hardly about important but I don't know whether Its changing being forced to think about things because of the
anything . It might changes things for people way bands go. It's Important to be actively involved,
the music they play, but mono about the way they dose personalty . It doesn't matter if people have different
with the band So, the music Is the thing that koops tho make decisions, even down to choosing what kind
audience together within ha rdcoto and the tomato's dens and don't make major changes, as long as It of beer you won't drink, for example Coors or
mainly about the culture. keeps going on and people keep trying . In Heineken.
Amsterdam, we had the Emma, and before that MRR: I wish 1 could read Dutch, because your layouts
MRR: Has the overage age within punk dropped
there as It hes hors In the States? Wiiers, and now Van Hall. I imagine that if Van Hall make the articles look Interesting . You did an all
J: Thu ago is gritting down, too, but not Idea 12 or 13 as closes down there'll be a different group of people English issues . ..
doing something next year . I guess cynicism is in my J . In February, with mainly Dutch bands.
I saw in Vancouver recently, kids with Suicidal skato-
own nature though I've always been that way . That's MRR : But when you do Interviews, ore you
hoards and DM t'shlds. Maybe now kku an ovorogu of
why the magazine is still around, because I've never confrontational?
16 or so in Europe . its not dropping that much In
Amsterdam because all the older punks from Holland been that much into It . For me, Its always been some J: Sometimes, It depends on whether I like them or
sort of childish thing to do. not . If I don't, III be confrontational, but mostly I'm
have moved to Adam because there's more to do
thore. MRR: Do you think you take doing It for granted? friendly with people and try to get them to open up.
 EDAcTI ONE EL
Nieuwe Koekrand they are stories with answers just mired In But I still think
It could Improve.
Albert Curpstraat 100 MRR: Now frequently does It come out?
J: Once every 2 months, sometimes 6 weeks, but ur
1012 CX Amsterdam -Holland bast 6 times a yea . It's haying o good Impact on the
scene right now. 'cause It's like an t stltutlots Three
teleform:010-191915 years ago, everyone knew it from the bogkuning, and
giro 5399691 of 5193940 with all the new people coming, they saw it as the punk
magazine of Holland, Subscriptions wont up double.
But what I don't like lately Is that people accept the
opinbns In Koekrand too madly and don't think It cut
for themselves enough. The same thing happened to
B.G.K. They wed to be just one of the punk bands, but
now their god-Ike to many people. That's not good,
and they realize It themselves, I used to be just one of
those people that put out a famine, but now with dl
the attention, l find I 've gotten inteMewed by people
I don't realty like, etc . That's frightening . Same with the
mall order. It became too much The reason I stick with
the fanzine B that I like putting out something, and it's
changing. Two years ago I never would've Interviewed
New Model Army because they're on o tape label, but
now I think that things they say pretty OK compered to
the slogonism of a lot of young punk bands. They've
thought things out a long time and developed a
philosophy, and because that philosophy Is OK, I
should interview them.
MRR: Have you been crNkal of MRR In your maga-
zine?
J: yeah, everyone has . There's so much In MRR. It's not
so bad now, but the first year I was ovonvhelmed and
thought 'I missed It alt' If was realty frustrating ; I never
head of fhb' and 'I never heard of that' . A lot of
people Initially wanted to read and know about eve•
rything, but then they started skipping over certain
parts. But If MRR stopped, then things would realty be
so drunk . It's mainly because it's easy to get a beer dead.
there, but here the drinking laws are crazy. You can MRR: Should we cone out less frequently?
drive a car at 16 and kill people- but not drink a bees J: No, no, not at di,l think it's Just me that's getting tied
In Canada, you can only buy a beer in a liquor store, I A lot of people are anxious to get the new copy and
was with a friend in Vancouver who had raised her see what's going on . Maybe N was from my doing the
younger brother who's autistic since she was 10 moil order and seeing all the ads In MRR, so many
years old, has travelled all over Europe on her own. records, and !thought 'Oh wow, they're all going to be
and she can't even get into shows 'cause she ' s just phoning for the new this and that .' But I like ads too,
18 . What's the deal . People have their own because they give Intonation, more than record
responsibtnles and should have learned how to deal reviews sometimes.
with It. MRR: Sack to your writing ; are you cynical In your

PLATEN
MRR: Let's talk about your distribution. You said interviews?
earlier that's what financed your magazine, but now J : No, mainly In the editorials. I hardly write any
you've ceased doing It. What does that mean? articles myself . like In the English Issue, I should how
J : A lot less work, so I can concentrate more on the writers something about the squat moverreM, but

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KASSETIES
which can controntatrorlol in an unaggressive way.
fanzine. It took more than half my time, doing things
like answering the phone, driving across town on the
bicycle picking up records, packing 3 mornings a
week--a lot of work helping people out, which is OK
but .
really didn't know what to write . There's no squat
movement pally, just 4 or 6 bars, that's the squat
movement, I think, So_I.J I,had written that down,
everyone would blame me for being negative.
There's not much going on, Just 4 cafes and you
MRR : When earlier I asked about the overage age. MRR : So how will the mag pay for Itself now'? drink beer over there and then you find out about
Is it harder *inciting things from younger people. J : I have to be a bit more careful with money, get the demonstration the next day and go over over
.1: Those people who are just getting into punk don 't more ads (they don't often pay . as half are for free). there with your riot gear and throw some bricks and
know that much . They haven't really made up their get more copies sold. . .or maybe get a job and put go to the bas again and celebrate. There's a really
minds about things yet . After a couple of years you more of my own money into It . I'm on welfare now . I good drawing in the Mull magazine (a squat 'nova-
know what's going on . Young people are so was working at printer for 7 years. so I did have a tine) that shows a group people with block leather
enthusiastic about things, and If you don't share that small retirement savings, which I used to come hero. lockets and helmets with eyes bulging out and boor
with them, its really hard to react similarly . So the MRR: Do you use a computer now? battles attacking the pollee . the autonomous
Interviews tend to be one question, one answer, etc., J : Yes, Its located at an anti-fascist collective office. groups are mainly punks, who are Into drinking o lot
etc . With older people . It's becomes more of a They use it for storing information, as well as putting and fighting the police a lot Just out of habit . Some
discussion . I could discuss with young people about out a magazine I pay a minimal amount in sharing It. of thorn are pretty serious, but many are Into N Just
the way they're enthusiastic, but you don't want to MRR : Do Europeans complain that your magazine for tun . It doesn't molter, the police usually win,
destroy their vision of it . They have to develop for Isn't political enough? except for once where they had to run for their lives.
themselves. discover for themselves. J: There are many tines that claim to be political, but You just have to be careful to not get caught . l used
MRR: Let's talc a bit about Dutch bands in particular. half of them are just about vegetarionism or anti-war to do It a lot, but not anymore . Like the guy with the
What bands there do you relate to? stuf, well known subjects . I think it's better to be about spear that you hod on the cover of Issue IS, I got so
.1 On o personal level, bands like B .G .K . and S.C .A. I relationships between people . But half our copies tired from throwing things I couldn't write for 3 days.
do like the music they play, but its just generic are sold in anarchist bookstores and holf in record It's Just a way to got aggressions out, but you can't
hardcore . It's good, but the interesting bands I like stores, and it's a good mix between. win. Also today, the chances at getting beat up by
are Gore and God . Especially God, there's MRR : Are there things you wish you were covering the police has Increased . They don't arrest anyone
something about them, a radiation . Very impressive. that you aren't? anymore, they Just beat you up . There is one group
Holland though is a small country, and you know J : I wish there was more artwork. Also, because I'm of people who are trying to develop o philosophy In
most of the bands personally. not that interested in the music of bands like the face of things falling apart a bit, but the other
MRR: What do you think about the new straight edge Chumbawomba, who have lots of interesting things group ore Just frustrated and they think you Just have
bonds? to say, they don't get covered enough to be stronger than the police. Sometimes they're so
J : I don't know . I think Its OK if people just control their MRR : How about The Ex? strict In their principles—there was this one guy who
tad habits Ike smoking, drinking . etc. I think it's a little J. I couldn't really do an interview with them because writes for Koekrand who wonted to go to a meeting.
extreme to quit them all . You should just be able to I don 't really like the music that much, even though They wouldn't let him In because they thought he
stop for a couple of weeks or get drunk once a I'm close to them personalty . I can't really do an was an undercover cop, even though he's been In
month or whatever . it's a good experience. interview unless I like the music, even though the it for 6 years, a lot longer than the kids at the door.
MRR: lice you dd recently, right? interview Itself won't be that much about the music In some ways It's dying, which Isn't strange since N's
J: No, I just got real pissed and didn't learn anything Someone recently did interview Chumbawomba for been around for so long, but . . .iI has to go down
(laughter) I didnt drink for half a year once. Koekrand, as well as New Model Army, which Is before it can go up again.
MRR : How come all the Europeans we most are totally different . Another thing I'd like to have more For a copy of the English language edltbn of
such drinkers? time, especially on the writing end, to finish issues A Nlluwe Koekrond, send Si (ppd alt) rd: Nleuwe
J . I don't know anyone who doesn't drink except for lot of people say the Interviews are OK, though . They Kook rand/ Albert Cuypstraof 100/ 1072 CX Amster-
LBrm . but the people that drink in general don't get aren't Just queston-and-answer pieces, they are dam/ Holland
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"Dahn dah dahn dahn"

one who masterminded all the searches) was present as the assistant to
The ohscenity trial invok-
ing the defunct Dead Kennedys the prosecutor throughout the trial . Typical cop . In a nutshell, Guarino
punk-rock hand and the group's is a sarcastic, annoying kind of a guy . Our attorneys still claim him to be
•mat• lead singer, Jellu Biafra . begins intelligent. Maybe this is what makes him seem like such a snake . There
In Los Angeles luau). was constant banter between the defense and prosecutor 's tables. Our
San Francisco residents Biafra.
lawyers did a good job of egging him . The best illustration of this was
29 . whose reel name is Eric Bow dunng a break when Schnayerson was telling the judge about a poll
cher, and two associates . Michael taken in the L.A. area whore, when asked after reading an untitled list
Bonnano .20. and Ruth Scbwartu, 27, of the Bill of Rights and whether people thought they should be in our
face misdemeanor charges of dis'
tributing material allegedly harm. constitution or not, the overwhelming majority said no . She got wide eyed
ful to minors. and asked where this poll was taken and Schnayerson said, 'Right here
in LA.' And Guarino said something to the effect of "Oh that' s great!"
The case centers on the Keane The room went cold.
dy's third album . "Frankenchrtst:"
the sleeve of which Included an ex- We didn't end up getting to jury selection that week . It was a
plicit poster by Swedish artist N . R. constant argument concerning jury instructions, evidence and stipula-
Ciger . showing 10 sets of male and tions (those items permissible and how presentable to the jury) . The
female genitalia engaged In sexual
Band's Trio acts main elements in jury instructions consisted of first defining the terms
of the law. "Distributor' and 'distribution", "harmful", and even 'minor'.
Biafra maintains that the de- Outside of the stuff that every jury sees, the argument seemed to center
fendants' First Amendment rights around the case 'People vs Carl ' which also tested this law . But that
of freedom of expression should
protect them from being prosecut- judge's summation of this case was extremely vague . So, the argument
„ ed in the case. between sides concerned one, whether the concept of 'thematic unity'
1" ,
"Wu think this case is ludicrous Biafra said he also believes his
, •1 f • " ' because what was Inside the album band was singled out for prosecu.
ctnrr -' ' saw
is not pornographic Rauh a work of
art," Biafra said . "We think the real
issue here is First Amendment free-
tins because the Dead Kennedys
were politically oriented and be-
cause they were not affiliated with
He argued that the a ae
dom of speech" a major record c ompany. clally conscious band, bad put thi
chilly
poster in the album to shock society
out of Its apa by and to Other olio

s
Starts Toda in L . A. how people
In modern society.

(continued from front cover) there were five defendants . Salvadore

Alberti (of Alberti Record Manufacturing), Steve Boudreau (ex-president
of the now defunct Greenworld Distribution), Microwave (ex-general
manager of Alternative Tentacles), Biafra, and myself (as owner of
Mordam Records) . There were five defense attorneys : (respectively)
Michael Mayock, Paul Herbert, Richard Burda, Phil Schnayerson, and
Gary Mandinach. And also present initially was Carol Sobel of the
ACLU. The first day, all attorneys were present and Biafra, Micro and
myself, having been told to attend, were expecting to enter directly into
jury selection . We went to the Criminal Court building in downtown LA .,
Division 57 . (That's right acroSs from the famed L .A . city hall.. . Joe the entire record), and two, "reasonable precaution' (i .e . the sticker)
(i.e .
Friday and Perry Mason beware .) This is the court ofJudge Susan Isacoff. were going to be permissible in the court—and how this would be
She is attractive and young (by judge standards) and to set the stage she stipulated. In addition, there was an endless list of legal definitions to
was very relaxed when off the record, liked jokes and ate M&Ms after be argued and not being a lawyer made it a struggle to follow and hard
lunch . Keeping in mind that the judge is the boas in a courtroom, I think to explain in detail here. There was even an argument concerning how
that the relaxed atmoshere and the professionalism and poker face that Alberti's illness could be presented to the jury . Guarino was concerned
she maintained when on the record ulimately was helpful, especially about this. Half of this time was spent in the cafeteria, the defense
when you consider the outcome of this case . I personally had no problem narrowing down their instructions, meetings in the judge's chambers,
with Isacoff. I remember her first day words were to acknowledge the and meetings between defense and prosecution . The judge wanted
presense of the defendants (asking about the missing two) and to everyone to decide as much as possible amongst themselves so that she
comment: "Are you all attorneys for the defense?" and shake her head. I wouldn't have too much to decide . But she got a loadful anyway as there
will say now, that the defense team was sharp. They got along well, and was much that couldn't be agreed upon.
all came across like young, "good liberal" aspiring lawyers . We had an Biafra, Micro and I were dressed to the hilt . Micro outacaled even
excellent team, all interested in the cause . Boudreau was determined "on the attorneys in his suit, Biafra was instructed to dress down (no
call', and Mayock pled ill health for Alberti who had an aneurysm within sharkskin) . We spent most of these first days wandering around down-
the year. town, eating bad food and sitting in the gallery listening and whispering
Now for the villian . Micheal Guarino is short, skinny, and looks like comments to each other. (When the judge kept saying that she hated the
a slimey turtle in his ill fitting suits and glasses . Detective Carter (the word "prurient" and would they use another word, I asked Micro what
they decided to use instead and he said "eggplant' . I wish they had.)
By day two, Guarino dropped the charges against Alberti. It was
explained to us that he just wasn't certain if he had the right person as
the company is family run and there are three Albertis . And since it was
late in date, it was better to drop him . It's my guess that he didn't think
this older guy with health troubles would help his case any . By lunch this
day the attorneys told us we weren't required to be there as the
arguments would continue through the week . Micro hung around a bit
and Biafra and I got the hell out of there.
On Thursday the judge made her biggest decision on our behalf
(keeping in mind that she stayed very middle of the road by giving a little
to each side). She decided that the entire record was allowable as
evidence to prove 'thematic unity' . This opened the door for our defense
to utilize the words and other graphics to the "Frankenchrist' record to
prove that the poster was not, as Guarino was trying to claim, meant io
pander sales, an advertising gimmick, or sold alone as a poster—that in
fact is was a part of a political statement protected by the first amend-
ment. With this on our side, and with the burden of proof on the
prosecution, (since we pled not-guilty this is true in all criminal cases) it
was now up to Gu arino to prove that the whole record was distributed and
that it is harmful to minors . 'Harmful' in a nutshell had already been
defined legally as: 'a predominant appeal is to a prurient (i .e . shameful
or morbid interest in sex, nudity, or excretion) interest', "that the
material is patently offensive to contempory community standards', and
'utterly without any social redeeming value or importance to minors'.
There was also the behind-the-scenes bantering regarding myself and the back door, into the next court room, and told not to leave until the
Boudreau being dropped as well as the ongoing debate on whether it hallway was clear of jurors . From here on out the story is from others'
would hurt or help our case by having us testify on our own behalf. relating it . I wasn't allowed back into the room until I testified and had
When we returned on Monday, Boudreau had joined the ranks of to leave right after . But I want to add at this point that all distributors
attending defendants and again we were under the belief that jury were dropped now . It was truely becoming a "harmful matter" case and
s,plection would begin . But this day ended up in some humorous episodes at least the absentee intermediate distributors were eliminated . The
as the "evidence" was attended to piece by piece . So many of the pieces of precedent to incriminate artists (etc) still exsists, but not necessarily
paper were really trite invoices, freight bills and accounting sheets middlemen.
(especially in the case of myself and Boudreau) proving sales and Jury selection continued on Wednesday . Two people were elimi-
distribution . A lot was thrown out because so much of what they had nated by the judge—one because when asked if he had any predjudice
wasn't in the " relevent time period" (October ' 85 —release of record, and against police officers answered that as a youth (he is currently 40ish) he
December '86—date of complaint sale) and others because it had nothing was jailed because a cop lied on the stand about him . He went into a
to do with "Frankenchrist" . But the fun arguments came when they got fifteen minute dissertation about how all cope are liars . He was dis-
to Biafra's " evidence ". What Guarino needed to prove was that Biafra missed . The second was a woman who found the subject matter so
distributed or had knowledge of distribution. He had confiscated lots of unsavory that she not only didn't think she could hear it talked about in
stuff from Biafra's house including, for one, a list of our distributors the courtroom, but wouldn't even discuss these matters at home . As for
which was read in the court room and as they got to companies with seeing the poster, well . . . she was also dismissed . Two women on this
names such as Rough Trade, Toxic Shock, and Electric Fetus the whole panel knew about punk rock and when quizzed by the defense gave
room was giggling . (Biafra the loudest, I think). Then the prosecution got intelligent definitions using terms such as "anarchist", "protest", etc.
to a handwritten list of the Alternative Tentacles catalog (proof that Burda quizzed thorn hard so that they could politicize the rest of the jury.
Biafra knew his label and wasn't an absentee owner and that he distrib- Wise move. Then Guarino, knowing that if he passed first on kicking off
utes a whole catalog of harmful material) . Schnayerson immediately jurists, would get the last chance after the defense kicked off some, did
jumped up objecting that this list would prejudice a jury and that their just that, he passed . And the defense knowing what he was up to and
other records and bands shouldn't be on trial, etc . So they started reading studying the jury, finding it extremely diverse in terms of age, sex, race
the list aloud in the room . THE FARTZ, THE CRUCIFUCKS, BUTT- etc, knowing that Guarino would kick off the good jurists, and that
HOLE SURFERS, THE DICKS, GRONG GRONG, all went in the record because of the jury's diversity would in most probability hang Itself,
as well as "Plasitic Surgery Disasters","In God We Trust Inc .", "Nazi called the prosecutor's bluff and accepted these first 12 people . The day
Punks F••k Off', "Murder in a Foreign Place", and "Lets Wreck the was dimissed apd trial would start with the prosecution the next day.
Party" . But as soon as they got to "Too Drunk To Fuck" nobody would read The press started turning up now . Various individuals had come to
this aloud and after an uncomfortable moment they took it to the bench sit in the court room up till now but since it hadn't been very exciting most
for the judge to read . She snickered . We were busting up . She stipulated weren't hanging around much . The L.A. press came out on this Thursday
that the two sides would decide which could stay and agreeing with to interview Biafra . But in regards to press and watchers, it had been
Schnayerson, which should go . Ultimately, all but the catalog numbers very quiet till now . There had been a struggle all along with the judge
and the words "Frankenchrist" (for record and cassette) were whited out. regarding the press because she wouldn't allow any type of electronic
Much of Mirco's evidence incriminated me because it referred to me as media into the court room. Finally, she decided that video cameras
their distributor. The judge decided that those items couldn't be used and without sound would be admitted before court started and during ques-
all those references were also whited out. (Lots of stuff was elimiated in tioning with the permission of the witnesses . An argument regarding
whole). And by the way, there were copies of MRR, xeroxod in full, that tape recorders ensued with the press stating that she was out of line
never got entered but it was quite interesting that they were there. (The because there is a ruling that press were allowed in courts with tape
ish with the "What the Fuck" column and Giger re-print) recorders as long as it was for their own personal use . She asked them to r
After lunch, Boudreau was dismissed. Once again Guarino must prove it and they did.
have not been sure if they had the right person as he has some corporate The scene was set . Defendants present . Mandinach was taken on as
protection and in a criminal case you have to get the right person, not just Biafra's co-cousel with Schnayerson . The jury was picked . John Alberti
an officer of the company. Plus, they didn't have much on him. They Jr ., Steve Bourdeau, and myself were all there on subpoenas . The
issued a subpoena for him to testify for the prosecution . He and his prosecution began with his opening statement . Short and sweet . Then it
attorney left . The "evidence" continued. was the defense with Schnayerson taking the opening responsibilities.
Then it was time for the prosecution's witnesses . Tammy Scharwath,l4
year old purchaser of said record was called first . This testimony lasted
ten minutes . She admitted that she did in fact purchase this record on 1
the said date, at the said store, and that she showed the poster to her
mother . Next up was Mom . Mary Thomson stated that her daughter
showed her the poster separate from the record and confirmed the
daughter's story . Later, the L .A. Times interviewed Tammy and was
Los Angeles quoted as saying I thought it—the poster—was gross, not harmful".
Jury selection began yester- Mom was quoted as saying "I thought I'd just have to complain and it
day in the obseeaity trial of San would be over . I didn't realize it would go to court and be a big to-do ." That
Francisco singer Jello Biafra
and two associates charged was the last we saw of them.
with distributing a pornograph- Then it was Detective Carter's turn . This seemed endless, espe-
ic poster in an album made by cially to those of us waiting in the hall . All his evidence was being
the punk rocker's band, the admitted . This consisted of all the admittable pieces of paper confiscated
Bend Kenncds .
from us, his recounting of each search and what everyone said then . He
"white-lied" his way through it . Details were changed, like, how Biafra
bragged and laughed about the Giger poster during the search of his
house . Keeping in mind that Carter alone is a big guy, plus there were
Tuesday started jury selection . Now from what I can tell, picking eight others, they had a way of scaring the hell out of everyone, including
juries in this country is like a game of Risk . The number of defendants Biafra. And he said that there were only two cops on the searches, instead
determines the amount of armies, the prosecution gets to roll first but of the nine. (Earlier, during the arguments over evidence, he and
players can pass and the judge gets to be the boss over everything . We Guarino tried to enter a photo of a poster said to be hanging over Micro's
were given fifty people to pick a panel from . When they came in the judgge
the hardship cases go and anyone who knew us, the DEAD KEN-
g DYS, , or lawyers . . She described the case briefly: the law, what we are
accused of, that we plead not guilty, and the burden of proof. "Does
everyone understand and does anyone think they have a particular prob-
iqm with this?" the judge asks . One man (who did end up on the jury) says
m not sure I understand this law ." So she explained again . His
comment then was "Is tjlgt against the law?" Oh, the fun was really
starting.
Before it got much further it was lunch and directly after, before the
jury entered, I was dismissed . This had been bantered about between
defense and prosecution and the end result was not only my being
subpoenaed, but having to be interviewed by Guarino and Carter that
evening so that I wouldn't go on cold to testify . (Hey, that was a gas .) They
also knew that because of my being left out of all Mirco's evidence that
they didn't have much on me and that rd be of greater help on the stand
making clear Biafra's role in his label and distribution . I was ushered out


desk at AT. It was quickly determined that this photo was a set up as one jury. Some took the opportunity various times during the day to look
of the cops had picked up a poster, tacked it up, and took a picture . They again . Burda had taken the lyrics and blown them up to a 4 x 4 foot poster
withdrew the photo without further argument .) There was heavy cross- size and displayed them along side the jury box for the rest of the trial.
examination. Not only did this allow the jury to road them at their leisure for the rest
After lunch, Alberti spent a couple minutes on the stand, identifying of the trial but it added a lot of weight to the fact that the poster, other
freight bills, discussing drop shipments, etc . Then I was called for an graphics, and especially the words had "thematic unity" . This made
hour and a half examination . Supposedly up until this point, Guarino indisputable the politics of the entire package . Then came the exports.
had been as sweet as possible (for him) . Now he took the opportunity to Harvey Kubornick (NMC Fund's L .A . person) found an art historian
show his true nature . Since I know Biafra's work habits, he needed me relocated to S . Cal . from the University of Pennsylvania named Joan
to confirm Ms role in distribution (among other thi ngs) . I was determined Weinstein who first took the stand . She was calm and collected and
a hostile witness . The interview rd had with him was considered a obviously well versed in her field . Her credentials were never questioned.
"statement" and this too was all confused. He has a way of talking down On direct examination she claimed that she didn't really care for Giger's
to people and asking multiple choice questions and asking for a yes or no. work but since she's not a critic but an historian she couldn't deny the
It took a while to follow what he was trying to say . Schnayerson did a respectable place Giger holds in the art world . She discussed his
brilliant job of cross-examination. Letting me make it clear why I may description of " mechanization" and his typical sexual/social critique.
be a "hostile witness", what the business relationship between the two Then Guarino got his chance to show his evil aide again . In his
companies is, (Guarino had this weird idea that Biafra started AT only demeaning, confused and downright insulting way he eventually gave
because he was being ripped off by Greenworld and other distributors) her some Art-Corn books and asked her to find a more sexually explicit
and primarily the fact that the Giger poster was never considered as a Giger painting . She pointed a couple out and explained why . He grilled
ploy or gimmick to increase sales (Guar no's pandering concept) . During her about how she could only find a couple. And she pointed to the defense
the time I was in the courtroom, it seemed to me that the jury was table and claimed that there was a better, more thorough book of his work
extremely bored . Since they hadn't seen the poster yet, all these business there that she might find more in . He didn't let her.
transactions must have proven pretty tiring as I noticed a few yawns. Dennis Broken and Griel Marcus of BAM magazine took their turns
Since I had to try to remember every conversation I'd had with Biafra in next, saying that they weren't huge DKa fans (Oh, surprise from BAM!)
November and December 1985 (which I didn't), hopefully some of them but described their knowledge of the DEAD KENNEDYS as a leftist,
saw how ridiculous this was. political band, who were known for strong graphics and that punk rock
Boudreau went next also identifying evidence and claiming ho had in general was known for shocking material . In fact, Marcus stated that
indeed purchased these records . Then Doobe, an officer from the Where- he didn't consider the Giger poster the most shocking of the DKa graphics
house, took the stand . Schnayerson and Burda had talked to him before at all, but .that'certainly the band was known for its strong lyrics and
this point and he had told them that sometimes they examine question- stance.
able material before they send it out to their stores, especially if it has a Guarino was constantly objecting all day during these testimonies.
warning sticker. When he got on the stand he denied this, saying that In fact, more time was spent between arguing lawyers at the bench than
The Wherehouse has no policy for checking records . The cross examina- in actual testifying. Guarino kept trying to drive a wedge in between the
tion made it clear that there was a discrepancy in the story and there was poster and the lyrics and finally got his objection sustained in one form
a discussion of Schnayerson testifying as to Doobe's lack of credibility. later in the testimony.
This was dropped because of the time involved and because the defense This day was finished with the illusion that the best was left to come
thought it was pretty clear to the jury that the story had changed . The and certainly the part Guarino was waiting for—namely Micro and
prosectuion "rested" . especially Biafra hitting the stand . Giger's publisist was flown in from
As a group of us were waiting in the hallway after adjourning (this New York and there was a lengthy defense meeting that night regarding
included Micro, Steve Boudreau and wife and even my Dad), Guarino what the defense thought would be the best for the next day . Ultimately,
approached me, extended a limp paw and said "Thanks you for your time. the decision was to rest the case as they felt Giger and the DKs had been
You 're a much nicer person than I ever had any reason to suspect you 'd discussed in enough detail (more might be overkill) and as a tactic it
be" . Of course I was dumbfounded and lost all ability to say witty would hurt the prosecution by catching him off guard, as they suspected
remarks . What a geek. that Guarino was saving up for Biafra.
The following Tuesday started the defense testimony but first came So that's how it happenned . The defense walked in Wednesday and
the rest of the "evidence" . Each juror received a copy of both the poster rested their case, leaving only the closing statements . Guarino did seem
and the record . Half of the jury originally looked at the poster upside to have been caught off guard as he tried to get a number of the jury
down . Some took a glance at the poster and quickly folded it up and Instructions changed and as the judge was deliberating, was quickly
shoved the posters as far away from themselves as possible . Some took scratching out his closing statement . He had to rely on the poster to speak
a nice hard look . There were various faces but no sound at all from the for itself. Guarino waved around the poster (and unknowingly showing
it to many "minors" in the gallery), losing his place, and generally
confusing everyone with his remarks . Turning and waving at Biafra, he
Dead Kennedys accused him of saying that he (Guarino) was only interested in running
for political office. (We'll see . . .), and claiming that Giger was the Richard
Ramirez of the artworld and that Biafra and Micro should be seen in the
Art DefendedLos Angeles
1979 science-fiction movie -Alien;
Is a member of the "Fantastic Art"
same light.
Burda took the defense closing first and very eloquently discussed
"thematic unity", the politics of the band, and the first amendment.
A poster packaged in an al-
school . an offshoot of surrealism, Schnayerson only spoke briefly to re-iterate Burda's account . He asked
and an artistic descendant of such
bum by the punk rock band the painters as Pablo Picasso, Salvador
Dead Kennedy's decries the Dali and Paul Klee.
mechanization of wx and Is not
intended ns a sexual "turn-on ." She said many of Giger's other
an art historian testified yester- works . which depict sexual organs
day at the obscenity trial of fused with machines, are more ex-
singer Jolla Biafra. plicit than "Penis Landscape."

Joan Weinstein . a professor of Weinstein also said she believes

art history at the University of Pitts- there b a "correlatlon" between the
burgh . said the poster, a reproduc- poster and the lyrics to such songs
on the album as "Soup 1s Good The
tion of the painting "Penis Land-
Food' and `MTV Get Off the Alr ." Alichacl
scape" by Swiss surrealist artist
11 . R . Cider. "has to do with the which address social bates. r
"Iry aey eat u t he express
mechanization of sexuality, the ex- that a il! be that ahe Outcome
The second defense witnm, na- a posier
ploitation of sexual imagery in mod- nistr,btll
tionally known rock critic Greil use its
ern society, for purposes of selling d responsibly," be
klarcus, characterized the Dead Y 4e s aid ing
.
products or even political ideolo-
Kennedys as a left-wing, politically
oriented band that would "definite
I think the Imagery is clearly ly not" have included the poster in
about sex . but I don't think it's a the album to boost its sales by ex-
turn-un:' saki Weinstein. the first pbiting sex.
defense witness . "It's a turn-off ."
"1 think Its a very puritanical
The poster, packaged with the hand, one very suspicious of plea-
"Frankenthrtt' album by the now- sure:" said Marcus . who now writes
defunct San Francisco band, de- tar Artf mum magazine They have
picts 10 sets of copulating male and always taken a satirical. left-wing
female genitals. point of view of the world . It's a
band with a critical perspective_"
Weinstein testified that Glger,
who won an Academy Award for
designing the visual effects for the


Guarino to hold up the poster for him to point to, which he did, and that
got all the jurors laughing.
And so the jury adjourned to decide.
They spent the rest ofthe following day in deliberation and came out
to request a few things . They wanted the terms "harmful" and "average
adult in community " clarified, and they wanted a record player. The
story is that when they played the record in the jury room, one of the
women went into the bathroom and wouldn't come out until it stopped.

The jurors. who represented a

wide crosssection of occupati ons
and backgrounds, said they split
along age lines, with older jurors n
y rat
favoring conv iction while theyou
get ones — some of them pus
fans were for acquWA .
Tits seven who favored iiof ro
asked (or copies of the ppL
take home . Biafra did better of
that . Ile gave each one a co py
cood In the (hallway y agtogr Pa ng one who has been of any help to us and the defense fund . It has made this
the albums . fight possible and the year livable . Everyone who communicated with the
Fund in any way, watch your post box as you ' ll be gutting some stuff soon.
On the following page is as current an update as possible at this writing
on the No More Censorship Defense Fund . At this point, it is deeply in
the hole and we still need your help to pay for the court costs, but if we
do eventually end up with money leftover we will keep a watchful eye and
But according to jurors'
jurors' stories later, they just wanted to tell if you could keep fighting in any way we can . Thanks again from all of us.
hear the lyrics . guess they only had to hear a little to know
that you can . (Lucky thing, I guess)
When they came back later that afternoon, they had
in fact hung or deadlocked themselves, unable to decide.
It was seven voting innocent and five for guilty . The de-
fense motioned for a dismissal . Guarino made a motion
for a re-trial giving a little speech about how they had
P
unk Rocker Is Off the Hook
been confused about the definition of "harmful" and
"average adult in community' so that on re-trial he Pornography Charges Dropped as Jury
could give better testimony . The judge gave him a lec- By PAUL FELDMAN, Times Stall Deadlocks
ture about how this is not a trialbby error and that he LGS ANGELES—p Weiler
should have done that the first time and that she didn't ornography
think, when viewing the diversity of this jury, that any lead singer against Dead Kennel a perntil him to retry the
Jello Biafra and a which event he said he fine, °l The
other would have better results . Then she accepted the co-defendant were dismissed expert witnesses
T hursday after a Los as o tr1esfea to delne r au The defense also no
motion to dismiss and promptly gave Micro and Biafra nicipal sus_ .__ Angeles
$ilea Mu- But cover of the album
mistrial standards. bscenity
a nd and commi unt,c h
a lecture about being more careful in the future. when jurors reported athat But Isacoff replied, • yas
I about 60,000 copies,whih h sold
am not Interested In Bevel warning that the posterralttad a
were hopelessly dea dlocked . 7the they
P Biafrarocedure"
jumped up in excitement yelling, "We Won!' en favor of acquittalfor to trial•and-ern~ the
Prosecution oor the might be viewed Poster rived"
and raced from the court room with the judge almost .
Ha-Ha . Y-y-y_e-eye We got . shocking. repulsive or o/f"r~w~
chasing him yelling, "But I can still fine you for con- It" sc reamed the nk-rock sing- Since Biafra* a
Regard Toward Children treat last year, the
tempt of court .' Cr, dressed in a thrpu lwcoff added that she did believem
albu
er. no longer contains the pose-
he triumphantly ee-piece suit, as
Nine of the jurors approached Biafra asking for courtroom after an from the that the case deserved to have been
copies of the poster . He did better than that and Judge Susan Efter the decision by heard by °Jury and that she also The
Cory forMama,' was termed a vk-
. ]•Qacoff. hoped that in the future, Danny " freedom of
gave them autographed copies of the entire record. "there b such
temp t . however"
a thin would heed the Blain Y Goldberg who Asadabya
. noted th t as con- music ando m esas growD call the Musicl
When asked, one of the jurors said they had voted itygnh ef t t and half e judge, toward others, act with mre ego daajor that has as Pro fo M
be( -smiling, Bran . bey JI
innocent because they didn't understand the law haloreahe"lefthebednch . particularly chit- of rock albums . probably u
Bt heaven," C°Idber6 Wd iA up it
and definitions . But two voted guilty for the same 27. thee 29, andgonantto,n
Michael B momet n later, after she •tee"-
reason . It's also interesting to note that two of those general manager of Biafra's Bally dismissed the canhe, offs- phone Interview, "Elva P arson
Alternati John Lennon. Thomas
firm, had ve Tentacles Records bolted from hu
g cdih Bifrs and GeorBa W aehin
who voted guilty also asked for the poster . The ma- t nbuUng h,. been char wt db- staid above hischar, he
u arms
brae Jefferson
gton at'"
jority of the jurors who voted innocent said they m aterial to mi. screamed his victor °d as he
nuts fur haveng -•Inserted a graphic no later terdehl " and rock
o pressloci are and roll
did so because of vagueness of the law and/or first postef m th1e me th beha forthe e a1ld frreedomtf`still
fr Amhnra ex " still
amendment considerations . And of those who poster Dead same kind of Irresponsibility
commented on a guilty verdict, they said they did album . Similar chargesea ga ms" we've seen from Day 1 from him that
as The swift mistral
dismissal came sa a alias and
were dropped an artist, an Individual and a de- parllNpants. since the to
so because it was obviously "harmful". three co-defendants fondant"
before the four-day trial. never fo rmally Indicated1u+Y
As he si seddautographs on al-
gn thathad
anG Guarino tried to shake Biafra's hand but was Rep roduttioa of Painting wa deadlocked Instead fn
refused. But later Biafra took that hand and then acme alk iiger posterssfor Jane Yuen, 23 . .,orema told I
'Phe poster, a repr oduction of a whose realjury members, Biafra, pasted Y after the
slipped him a copy of BIG BLACK's latest 12" surrealistic painting titled " name is Erc Boucher, calledthe pa debt° fn °1 he
(the limited edition gruesome cover) . Guarino L
andscape" by well-kttown Penile said,
Swiss
"The Judge had more of a room ° t day 's end f ~o au°p~
artist H .R . Giger, depicts 10 seta of judge knew conscience than Mr . Guarino. The they
didn't appreciate this at all and promptly threw Wereprogresai^gd askedlLhe h"
male female genitals engaged she saw It" a waste of time when court
andacts. Earlier, Jurors had
it down and left the building. In sexual fora further deflnfton of
We all are absolutely ecstatic about this end. No Es pen W Itnapes term "harmful ma terial" and the
del be Juror , who began their "Frankenchr sat .for
co py of the
However, later, Guarino told Schnayerson that ternoon, told lasedtednesday at. Guantsq tr his
h od nd bum a -a
they were witnesses durio ing expert . After privately discussi
he would definitely continue this crusade. solidly spilt on fife two ballot they t entation of evidence,ne-ay Drc- is od this with
jurors a cthe lawyers, laacoff gave
Schnayerson told him to consider his choices tookwere
they before she asked them how tended to jurors that theYhad con- assette and a t ap" player
progressing, with their own eyes could see but no further instr.uclone
more carefully in the future and seems to be-
lieve that Guarino didn't realize the political told re porters
haJ mfrs Perplexed that they pr and t i itself, clearly tithe Poster,
by P+ D e fen eteattor. PPeater d 'Prally
jury instructions co complicated Healed'
nature of the band or our ability to defend our- definition of harmful ncerning the efenra attorneys
h in After the dismissal, juror Brenda
selves . But irregardless, the prospect of seeing matter They 1 979 racer who came In coun m io a,a Haynes, 21, of Los A
this happen to others again definitely exists . It added that the vote appeared to 1979 as a so all San Frandsefou works an a dress shop, said ngeles, who
several
have gone primarily along a$e who
lines who asci sou h t o f ten mua u gh, older jurors had termed the record.
seems that this law was meant to prosecute the younger Jurors fa_ a has m uaeuan i ng "loud and hard to deci-
wiring —with
shop sellers against selling pornography to
ac quittal .
After the dis missal shock methodstomake often through pher . . . . It was pretty heated" in
, De u t Y Citytm against~ atatements
st atem the jury room
minors, not this type of material . This is ob- Atty . Mihh cael Guarino w Prose- I human' sm and man's .
rue.,t iY to rac
man . Three art end th endtd, Haynes noted•~or one
viously a misuse of the law . But none of us he could the case, told rePortero the e^
file the charges. rock music experts called by the until the recordsitnln to
because the^y
feel so confident as to think that it can't hap- defense testified that the ba
" were ttt cha s by Giger was legitimate arL They sounds . id
pen again . No precedent is set by this victory. cocats. two ma ed
Thas sounds.
also said that even if the Poster was tinue Th he woman oNre
None for the prosecution or for artists . And Guarino had asked Inca( to ugly . it was ma
deli berating ng LO t'Oe^.
the lyrics on^the Y °fie+ she
this is only
t hat California . What about other to comple d
ntment as ass re
be turned down. Ina v°lame woWd
States? Countries?
But anyway. . .whew . We all are thank-
ful for this and we are all thankful to every-


NO MORE CENSORSHIP!
DEFEND FREE SPEECH
AUGUST I I, 1987—JELLO BIAFRA, ex-singer of ubieetiee which is to destr ivy the iod ine o .tl,nduct, and thus those who could have done something looked en,par .,.clt
the Dead Nennedys . his independent label, Alternative Tentacles. eliminate it tourer ulidras, crony and art they don't like Their another time they might have said Lenny Brute died for for our
their dict.butoc . Mordant Records and pressing plant goon trial alta .k on the US (u .t .to.un'sgna a oiler ., Sprrah,s only sins
in Los Angeles, accused of "distributing harmful matter to the nett of a Rood of pt o . eutiom pending again,' independent
minors" . Thlsls thekrgone,thefirstlull .mrduariminalprosecu artists, retied comps . c distributor+, petting plants and AUGUST 3- II, 1987—Inure days !allowing thrlht
lion of the alternative' indepenent recording industry and one o1 promote . Win,losr or drawtheindrpendrnt Nock industry ism sneer tar y sal Lanny Bruce's death and the beguvoug„I J . lln
its major ar .sts to.bgene rated by the much publicized religious) trouble . The well-wnnectrd, well-financed censorship fortes are Bulris trial, the NO MORE CENSORSHIP DEILNSL FUND stalling
political crusade against Rock Music . In 'hisrase, the so called going alter the fragile rtononmt routs that keep all-rna .ve on everybody, lam, anon and mensal groups, nndia and
"harmlulmuter" IS a poster 014 painting by Oct ar winning sat alne They hart launched . ttrategf tuned al Da•,krupung p . .les +al ter gannnliurts. "'omit yrmuWrr ♦, • tub operators.
artist H N. Gigee.included in the Oks 1985 album"Frankenthnst " . their some enemies with endless cnpen re prmecutiors and record labels and emend stunts, tut . fleet on. pubbcie. and light
A clearly visible sticker on the outside of the album luket warns lawsuits . Lee, if,Jrllo Biafra and Alternative Tentacles win 'heir bash against the ante Ruak ana .krrt end let people know whet a
potential buyers that it contains a poster "some people might eurtent court battle, the prupated 570.000 defense ul this rase .at .. y by to pin ishiylm .i, wnnldmeanlorlhrmdepen
would represent the fiscal end of most altereauvr independent dent sin .a mdist r y Alter August I I . during 'hewed.* of tlulra.>
find shocking. repulsi et or offensive" . Nobody, of any age and recording groups and ..nooated rote, prises Unlike the ...tape ar,almlosAngelet,rheOcl .0,r lundisoegentlyaskingrar•ryurrr
capable of buying a rerord, could or would buy this Dead Ken. record sumparn.s and reined chairs (so far spar . if this kind sal
nedds album by mistake and be unwittingly harmed by the to dig deep and make a .lonatinn Yerlorneersarsd Pr 00,010,.
potter, the original painting of which has been displayed in many prosecution) who ha .e the financial resources In fight back in could put on benrlm . record and book shops could sat up ...to
art galleries What the anti-Reek forces really feu and want to toun,the undies are virtuallydrlensrless the anti-Rock, prrrten• censorship displays and conteibulion Ian, radio sta1 icon and
tensor is Jelro Biafra 's articulate brand of pronecatne. sorship forces hope to use jelly Biafra s pt rsetution to drive video programs could future micro( likely to be unwed,
think-for- yourself, topical, satirical and anti-system independent music and ideas Irom the record racks They belrere carry news of and sobnl donation pledges . ucdunduab, . ould
Roth Using the fig .lraf of allegedly protecting eapen 0 and muliple legaldrlent . sw Ali des . up the nrr•, a. re ho srl•attics anal potluck shone ., to .ase mnney tins.
children from "harmlul matter" the anti-Nick base of indir moat wide Olin puts,bility of tail toll ., a year sat I li,. salsa wliu r . . mdaLvulilu, .tn . I,ar, In run.. rh . .iun•1,
crusaders are attempting to corer-up their real case. will u,tin„date and inhibit uu .yuker . A1 1 ...1e and c on, ter Junali,,r n that we will „sal r• n u, 1 ih. Ir . ednrn „f
p.n .s lint strategyhaswoekidfurthemIiilure O . . 10 year, .rp .rssun it,cl•esinls do Ilia i . k, pin nnsnrship
ago . this mm,t lr, amts n . poldn .d wit . rn,,,i wan al•le fur . sal lea s.tolluur iulrue al n. eyrr ant
n cuss nr .yhr rte
to silent, a guy called Lenny Bruce ha a Slnrih and they hare the resources, money, media control
andpm . oar pnh .eat . . .re 'ions to make Hair slealegy k.
AUGUST 3 . 1966—LENNY BRUCE an,' +toles w. ran ,uh,l,rii nigh people power (mounter their
his oxygen. Free Spoteh . tt nny and the America he believed in, Attacks dollar fur dollar. debate by debate. at gum.' Agana'
wlloca.A l .- nor taut, wasaswnd-up mo ,edun who became argument Wre nnntnnger trnmin as individual
one of the most surer .slut, .nnuratire and inDurntial pa• .lot 0,r. artists, record companies, promoters and 'totes tone sandet
of his liner Ifetoinntrntly sold- out ernunsol all typos, including lire In the present rase. it .e not men ry lie you to like
Carnegie Hall .erred .ores, earning clr runs of $100.000 00 per Jello Bialr a and the Uead Neimedy t bund nl nm .c to know it is
year. Lenity's n•anfnl .ed, wrtomloe table obseeraiota and Wile to lone the light Malta and
torros .e satire exploded the sacred social myths of the not so lightening rod currently catchingthr lull fury of the antiRntk
fabulova fifties and made hum a legend . Nu submit was taboo. storm II they are done in br the law or, more likely . the lath of
puhtics, lac . ten, +c .u.sl be ha .iou, religious by pun icy and the funds to lolly defend their right, and .,main in Ausinna, the
abuses al authority were the meat of Lrnny ' +iuutinrs .His anti Rock fumes well have won their Dr st nralve aiatury Alter
passionate anti establishment humour was a told acidbath that tatting blood, they will strike again and again until they feel the
, probed and o0endrd the se nub,ldin of powerful targets and cold has been morally ta0,ti .ed to their standards fl we want
their tumplatent public Lenny led the fires burning at the heart freedom and the mu tec . . .ate about to sin core we must take an
of many hopeful, early 60s movements He was one one of are tine role, no mater how small . When they try to shut off our
Ame rlc i +best . . Bat Lkr t oar many othrn, he betme the victim mute. and destroy the independent routs It nerds to sur•lre and
of a welLhnanced campaign . bunted by publicity seeking poha grow we rust have to say, "NOMORE CENSORSHIP!"
mane and proselutor s Ale aid sal his fr re Speech . (lily forced tom
t out of work and into purrt t y 'tang the polar . courts and the
burden of legal coacas theirs lubs I . nny', srahm Spenluud
''grstur ns" was termed "Sisk llunnuu" hiuwat nude lea(dirt his For more informationon thelelloBulra air, bahgroundtenthe
eonurts "for Adults Unly" hew s suhire teJ iu . nAlr .s pee
lions on "obst emir ." and drug related charge . . ott nl whit', anti•Noek crusade and related .sues, ,nor r idea s or luggrstioos
concluded with Not Guilty verdict . However, the fear of further .. .hoe call the NOMORE CENSORSHIP Oriente Iund,PO-Boa
police action and thehighmst ullegaldrlenscsIelt him withouta I I4S8. San Fr ancisco, LA ,USA - -Phone (41 S) 474-1976 . Make
terto earn a living at or publicly .. .pees his views Lenny was all donations payable w HOMBRE CENSORSHIP Detente Fund
legally declared a Pauper m 196S, his total income lo . the year
was $1,000, his legal ea pemn were $18,000 Lenny wasbrokcn Irel her to , .punt any part sal the appeal Use i1 lime handbills or
economically His last performance was a legal rued r ate ., pane benefit pout, .s Nutt Any money e ollreted by the fund not used
IS. 1966 at San ',Ana . U's hllmore Auditu .un+.luturing anew on the per r„tcasr will be used to defend future Mt tlms of
group. hank lappi sMothers of Invention . Lenny pasted fib- Anti .Rock and Cemorshlp attasks Now is the one to tat the
ertj s torch, bridging one genet Alain to the neat lie died .. fight back!
August F . 1966,mm,doentence,whdr typing
to date, one of the hundreds of legal briefs he
the NMCDI ti wrote arguinglor his right to Ioe
has tJlst'll 111 and speak freely in America
They got him They turned
S55,000 arid oil his ooyger while
spent S55,000.
At this point,
another S15,000
is needed to der up
past debts . including
postage, xertc lflg,
glinting and phone
hills . In all, about 1300
individuals donated to
the loud, and out of 2500
people who wrote in, only
3 were negative (2 unsign-
ed). The fund is still answer-
ing letters received during
the triad dates, and will he
sleeting to decide whether
to continue or whether to
donate any remaining
mimics to the A .C .L .U.
Please send in what
'you can in order to get
the remaining hills
paid off. More later.


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A ew notes : the address for CAPITALIST ALIENATION (review lust issue) is PO Box 69, Station C/ Montreal, PQ H2L 4J7/ CANADA . Also,
/he split EPfwith COMPOS MENTIS and POWER AGE is available from One World/ PO Box 8809 Symonds St/ Auckland, NEW ZEALAND . Next,
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ANGRY SAMOANS - "Inside My Brain" 12" DIE VIXENS - "'fake A Step" EP
Another in a spate of reissues, this one containing Welcome to the garage . These Tennessee turkeys
some classic retardo garage punk from 1980 . Remixed a play some grunged out punk'n'thrash with appropriate
bit (not to its detriment) and powerful, it contains "Right chunky production . Lyrics are in the personal/social
Side of My Mind", "You Stupid Asshole," "Get Off the vein . (Wt .)
Air," and two more gems . Get It . (TY) ($2 to Herb Rieth, 837 Kendell Dr ., Nashville, TN 37209)
(Jem, PVC)
FEARLESS IRANIANS FROM HELL - "Die for Allah"
BHOPAL STIFFS cassette LP
Full speed ahead power punk and hardcore with An anti-violence band with a twist . Seems like the
quite a few Innovative bits and Jarring stops/starts and singer Is a refugee from Iran, because Just about all the
tempo changges . "One Track Head" is a mind-blowing songs deal with life in the current regime's grip, with one
standout . (WG ) song even sung in Fat-M . Musically Hardcore with
to Bhopa Stiffs, 332 Gatesby Rd, Riverside, IL metal/power influences. Interesting . (TY)
(Boner Records, P . O . Box 2081, (Berkeley, CA 94702)
CHESTERFIELD KINGS - "Don't Open Til Do Lmsday"
P FRATRICIDE/MISSION OF CHRIST - split EP
Pretty decent pop 60's punk, but this selection The two songs on the FRATRICIDE side display a
doesn't have the nasty edge that their recent Joo! album unk style with certain metallish trappings, and lyrics
. A few tracks do manage to snarl, delivering that hat address the fundamental purpose of punk . On the
had
fuzz attack, while the rest are well done but clean . (TY) flip, MISSION OF CHRIST are more demonstrably
(Mirror Records, 645 Titus Ave, Rochester, NY 14617) speedmetal in the vocals and guitars, with lyrics that are
forgettable and fuzzy production . Unmemorable . (SS)
EUGENE CHADBOURNE - "LSD C&W" 2LP (Final Notics P . O . Box 2633, New Westminster, BC V3L
L2 CANADA)
"I'll take my Chadbourned and make it a double ."
Four sides as crazed and priceless as always . From GENERATION WASTE - "Another Alternative"
woof Martin Mullish "In A Sentimental Mood" to cassette
EA"LES BURL IVES ROGER MILLER psych-out
medleys . These records feature bits and pieces of other A damn hot first tape from this Chicago band
tapes and even early lost SHOCKABILLY material. playing powerdrlving punk and thrash with a sense of
There's the regular dose of insightful, folksy guitar -- melody and good lyrics . Definetely worth Investigating.
diddling, singalongs, psychedelia, and political prowess.
RS) $4 or $2 and tae to Ted Domurat, 3927 N . Ottawa,
Fundamental, P . O . Box 2309, Covington, GA 30209) Chicago, IL 60634)
COLORS - "Muchos Colores" LP GENOCIDE - "Submit to Genocide" LP
More of the COLORS' mod (JAM/JOLT) sound . Lots These Quincy punks shared the Last Rites F r. . LP
of power pop, power chords, etc . (TY) with MIA way back when, died, and are now backk to
(Poe Records, P .O . Box 15481, Detroit, MI 48215) make you gawk in disbelief at their passe stud/skull look.
Equally dumbo lyrics & metallish approach make this a
CHRIST ON PARADE - "A Mind is a Terrible Thing" LI' joke, unintentionally I'm sure . (7'Y)
(PO Box 775, New Brunswick, N .l 08903)
A full 17 song LP from this durable Bay Area band. GODCORP - " Back to Godhead" cassette
They're varying te pace more these days, and in this
case It really works well . Excellent recording, great
assionate vocals and screams, and definitely worth a Power dual guitar HC with a tasteful metallic touch
listen . Cool label too . Support this! (DH) this is a fantastic tape, too bad it wasn't an LP . Nine,
(Mind Matter, 'P .O . Box 421304/ San Francisco, CA great songs Imagine SNFU crossed with SSD,
94142) APPROACH . Yeah! Damn good,. get
g et this
this .
RG)
$3 to Tony, 118 Albany Ave (1), Toronto, Ontario, M5R
DAMAGE - "Recorded Live at CBGB" LP C4 CANADA)
One of "Live at CBGB" cassettes comes to vinyl GOREHOUNDS - "Halloween Everywhere" LP
life, and life it reverberates . Very powerful hardcore that
doesn't stop, and that might be the only complaint here Pretty rockin' era a type '60s punk with a good
the on-going similarity of the emotion you're being beat, fuzzed guitar, SEEDS and ELEVATORS influences
clobbered . But if you want a dose of sledgehammer and nothing lyrics . (TY)
HC you know with where to find it . (TY) ((Alien Cactus Records, 41 Seymour St . #3, Roslindale,
(Celluloid 330 Hudson St ., New York, NY 10013) MA 02131)
DEAD JACKSONS - "Greatest Hits" cassette GOVERNMENT ISSUE - "You" LP
An amusing combination, great stop and go HC Edging ever-closer to rock music, GI employs a bi
mixed with crazed lyrics . From the enclosed photos and sound, usually powerful beat, and big production to get i~
liner notes, these characters put on quite a stage show, across . But the lack of a cohesive, unique sound and
but do they sleep In oxygen tents like MICHAEL catchy tunes make the package relatively unmemorable,
JACKSON? Watch for vinyl . (RG) making them sound like Just another slick band on a
($4 to Michael Jackson Meals, P . O . Box 111, Nevada bigger label . (TY)
City, NV 95959) (Grant Records/ Dutch East)


GRIM - "Live to Die" EP NATAS - "Think What You Want" cassette

Three pounding metallish punk songs and one very Despite their hokey name, these guys play some
sna_p)py thrash tune with no metal Influence whatsoever. forceful metallic HC thrash, with anti-conformity and
anti-government themes . Much better than their moniker
Dou Moody Prod., P . O. Box 1596, San Marcos, CA would have you believe. (WG)
92069 ($4 to Road to Ruin, 983 West Court, Neroosa, WI
HAPPY FLOWERS - "My Skin Covers My Body" LP 41457
Manic vocals set to sporadic musical mayhem -- sort PTL KLUB - "Living Death" EP
of in the BUTTHOLES spirit . I thought you had to be Their hottest release yet, at least for me . Many of
from Texas to do this kinda stuff, but these lads are from the six tunes are slowed down, which results in more
Virginia . Will interest the fringe freaks and art trendies. power and greater clarity of lyrics . Really basic punk
T and thrash, and very well done . (TY)
Homestead Records, P . O . Box 570, Centerville Centre, (Douug Moody Prod ., P . O . Box 1596, San Marcos, CA
'Y 11571) 2
ILL REPUTE - "Live at Mystic, Pt. 2" EP PAGANS - "Live : The Godlike Power of the Pagans" LP
A rlppin' six-son Job that comes bundled with the It took me a few songs before I recognized the
reissue of their What appens Next LP . It don't know If godlike quality here . But after they really start cooking,
these guys are at it again, but 'hope so . Ripping . (TY) the reformed Pagans recorded at the 7th Street Entry in
(Doug Moody Prod ., P . O . Box 1[596, San Marcos, CA Minneapolis, has all the charm and quality of a garbage
truck as it speeds around tilting to kill everyone in its
LIVE SKULL - "Don't Get Any on You" LP path . Massive, so snag this un and wait for the next
studio album . (DOG)
This live LP showcases LIVE SKULL's guitar-laden, (Treehouse Records, PO Box 80037, Minneapolis, MN
atmospheric post-punk sound . Obstinately non-melodic, $5408)
the songs on this LP, although excellently recorded, don't PURPLE TOA 1 -
excite (they're too slow) and don't stick to the ribs
(they're not catchy enough) . Fans of the band will like Sixties punk done a la '76, meaning not enough
this, though. (SS) mania and too much production and rock guitar . It's not
(Dutch East India, P. O. Box 570, Rockville Centre, New really bad, just not crazy enough to warrant the retreads,
York, NY 11571) and there are plenty of (hem . CI Y)
LOUDSPEAKER - "Psychotic Machine/Living with the (Star Records, 148 Sincoe S ., Oshawa, Ontario L1H4G7,
Dead" 12" CANADA
PUSSY GALORE - "Right Now!" '
In case you've wondered what Matt and Chris of
CRUCIFIX are up to these days, here's what . They're in More early 60's garage meets mid 80's noise . Can't
a band that plays pounding, rhythmic dance music with say it's the best of both worlds, but when they aren't
political/ominous overtones along with members of being too arty (a third of the ime), they do rock out
FLUX, I believe . Soon we'll be hearih from Sothira's some grungy crud like CRAMPS meets BUTTHOLES on
new band, an entirely different thing . (TY) bad DMT . (CY)
(One Little Indian, 3 Fransfield rove, London SE26, Caroline Records, 5 Ctosby St, New York, NY 10013)
ENGLAND)
MAD DADDYS - "Apes Go Wild" LI' REDD KROSS - "Annette's Got the Hits" 12"
Their second release, this LP's chock full of Poshboy's been re-releasl .. , their early catalog In
CRAMPS type garage rock and roil pounding beat, various shapes and forms, andk' this is one classic you
raw guitar, and silly lyrics . From New Jersey, It rocks. should really pick up . Great garage punk from L.A.'s
McDonald Bros . plus Ron Reyes (later to o to BLACK
New Rose, FRANCE) FLAG) and Greg Hetson (of later CIRCLE JERKS
fame) . A real treat . (TY)
MASSACRE 68 - cassette (Poshboy, P . O . Box 38861, Los Angeles, CA 90038)
Alright! I believe this is the first Mexican tape I've HENRY ROLLINS - "Drive By Shooting" mini LP
reviewed, and It's reat! Intense thrash similar to the
Finnish '83 style . Dirty production, but the anger, power, Henry's kinda Joke, I guess = as the "concept" here Is
and energy shines through . (W(:) a bogus title, "Henrietta Collins and the Wifebeating
($5 to Miguel Angel Cortes 0, Apdo 17-808, 114 10 Chlidhaters ." Ok. Musically, a new wave tune and a
Mexico D1, MEXICO) mandatory (he was from DC) FIRE cover on the A-side
MICE - "Scooter" LP and four tunes on the flipp which are more like what I'
thought would be on the LP, sorta rap/spoken word set to
Less overtly "punk" than their debut 12", this album music includin a trashing of "We Will Rock You" only
contains ten pop-punky tunes with the emphasis on the it's "t Have Come to You ." Liked the LP better.
(TY) Kill
op, in a style reminiscent of the early SHOES. (Texas Hotel, 122 Broadway, Santa Monica, CA 90401)
cundeniably catchy, this record is best when guitars take
precedence, but there's still a good deal here for fans of
cool pop music -- though the style does wear thin after a SS-20 - "Pope on Tour/Rocking on Red Square "
while . (SS)
(St. Valentine's Records, P . O . Box 7911, Cleveland, OH The A-side of this 45 is a mid-tempo punk number
44107 boasting great hooks and lyrics in the hest SS-20 style,
with good arranging and even a nifty Beethoven guitar
MISTAKEN - 12" break (!) .. Another
The two songs on the flip are faster and more.
excellent record from this consistent
powerful
A few of the ANGRY SAMOANS team up for this band . (SS)
folk-rock 7-song release . This is really wimpy, (1516 Chapel St., Cincinnatti, OH 45206)
self-indulgent material, a definite oke . Fortunately, the
SAMOANstill kick ass live . (TY SHARKY'S MACHINE - "Let's Be Friends" LP
(Bad Tri . Records)
The hardcore on this album goes in some original
MORAL DISGUST - "Archaeology Anthology" cassette directions, especially in so far as the song arranging is
concerned, but the ultimate effect is rather
Yeee.. .ouch! Totally searing punk and HC -- shay monochromatic and unappealing . Nonetheless, strong
as hell, powerful, with a guitar sound that cuts steel! energy and power abounds here, and the lyrics are very
Blazing midwest thrash . (WG) strange . CSS)
($5 to Sal, 503 Scott Ave ., Oshkosh, WI 54901) (Shimmy Disc, Box 1187, New York, NY 10116)


SHAVED PIGS - "Breakfast is Served" LP UNTOLD FABLES - El'

Rampant sarcasm and a less than tight, ripping A pretty neat neo-60's release . 4 songs in all, full
hardcore style are the trademarks on this debut LP by roduc tion that makesechoey
the sound clear but not wimpified.
psych feel, and a good cover
the SHAVED PIGS . The songs structures are not always Cool guitar, sli htly
distinctive in these simple tunes, but their cover of the of the EYES' the 60's UK .and much like the early
ISLEY BROTHERS' "Shout" (here entitled "Slam") is WHO) "When he Night Falls" (TY)
' delightful . Good album cover, too. (SS) (Dionysus Records, 10 Box 1975, Burbank, CA 91507)
(Porcine Records 225 Central Park West, Suite 914,
New York, NY 1d024) VIA - "City of Thorns" LP
SLOPPY SECONDS - "The First Seven Inches" EP A terrific idea : Mystic has decided of to chronicle a
USA Cities "
series of local punk scenes In a "Sound Oregon.
on Portland
LP series this one centering .R .A ., and other
Four tracks here, all in a bouncy pop-punk style with RANCID VAT, ANATHEMA, N bands
those irresistible choruses you can't help but sing along sound and
with . What's more, the lyrics are extremely funny, share this album which varies severely in
song quality . Still, an interesting document. (SS)
showing a real satiric bite and flair . I have a feeling that
punks everywhere are going to be singing these songs to Doug 20600dy Productions, P . O . Box 1596, San Marcos,
themselves for a long time to come . Terrific record!! 'A
V/A "Die, Jerry, Die" LP
Alternative Testicles, 1632 E . National Ave ., Indpls IN
46227) A benefit LP for the Anthrax, the club which gave
these early Connecticut hardcore bands their starts . All
SOCIAL SPIT - "Psycho Ward" EP the sons were originally released as EP's (Ion
out-of~-p rnt), and Included are C .I .A ., VATICAN
A really good hardcore EP, with a really energetic COMMANDOS, REFLEX FROM PIN, LOST
sound . Not generic, but not really new either, they do GENERATION, and VIOLENT CHILDREN . A limited
thrash right with zaniness and good lyrics . "Drugz" Is a edition release this is the first for this non-profit label.
standout . (TY) Great stuff!! ( Q TY)
(Doo u g Moody Prod ., P . O . Box 1596, San Marcos, CA (Anthrax Records, 25 Perry St, Norwalk, CT 06850)
2
THE STAIN - "I know the Scam" LP VIA - "No More Censorship Defense Cassette, Part 1"
cassette
I ordinarily wouldn't review this kind of music, but
because It's on a "punk" label and looks like a "punk" A comp (whose profits 2o to Jello and Co .) featuring
package, I Lust thought I'd mention . . . it ain't punk at all, WIDE AWAKE's powerful AC sound BLOOD IMPULSE;
it's metal . (TY) ACTIVISTS' creative punk, MALCOLM TENT's ranting
Touu g ) Moody Prod ., PO Box 1596, San Marcos, CA and mroe . Definitely worth getting. (WG)
NS
($5 to TPOS, 20 Station Rd ., Brookfield, CT 06804)
STATE - "False Power" LP ViA -reom
"Relief from Bod"tt
cassee
This band had a blazing HC EP out many years Righteous onzocore from HEIBER CRINGER,
back, then did some recordings In '83 and broke up DISSENT, QUOD MASSACRE, and a slew of other
before It was released . They've regrouped, I believe, world HC' acts . Damn good sound, cool lyric book, one
and put out these sessions finally . While the new songs rad tape. (WG)
maintain their power, gone is the straightahead approach, ($3 to EM F Tapes, 10421 Green Mountain Circle,
and instead they come on with a highly produced, Columbia, MD 21014)
sometimes postpunk approach sometimes a bit MISFITS
like . Very big departure . (TY) ViA - " Salt in the Wound" cassette
(Statement Records, Michigan)
60 minutes g iIt p
STEVE STILETTO - "Pin Ups" cassette Outstanding tracks f by ANGRY JO HNY oAND THE
SNOTS, SHELL GAME, and CHRIST ON A CRUTCH .
Five covers here : BEATLES, PINK FLOYD, etc. That's a hint, so get this one, okay? Band info included.
The originals may be sedate, but these-guys totally rock (RG)
out on 'Ruby Tuesday" and 'Comfortably Numb" . Pretty $3 to CB tapes, c/o Craig Blomquist, 48 Beck Road,
neat. (WG) ,indenhurst IL 60046
(Ray, 4554 Tunis St ., Jacksonville, FL 32205)
VIA- Sins of the Flush" cassette
THREE DAY STUBBLE - "Monster" LP
Yee . . .ouch! Another righteous comp from Flush
The reigning kings of booger-rock transplanted from Productions featuring quality stuff from SEWER TROUT,
Texas to San Francisco debut their first platter . (Their IRSTAS DISTORTION X, and many more . Consistently
first release was a home-made eight track tape, and this hot stuff here . (WG)
disc lives up to its spastic reputation .) It's almost as if (Flush Productions, P .O . Box 1050, Richmond, CA 94802)
retarded children discovering Captain Beefheart, decide
to play In a rock band . Music to wet your pants by.
DOG) WHITE FLAG - "Live! Bleedln' In Sweden 1986" EP
Fartblossom Enterprizes, PO Box 818, Pomona, CA
91769) WHITE FLAG has, on this live EP documented their
European tour with a clutch of fast funny, and
THREE LEGGED DOG - cassette hard-rockin songs . The recording qualit is adequate, no
lyric sheet is provided (this band needs one), and all
Innovative punk with attention keeping twists and things considered, this Is probably a food documentation
turns, and neato guitar effects . A food mixture of of their tour . Actually enjoyable. (SS
power, originality, and momentum . (WG (Punish Records, Proflly . 18A, S-612 00 Finspang,
C (1003 Wilk
lbi MO 85201)es,ouma, SWEDEN)
International/ International/ International/ International/ International! International/ International/

ATAVISTIC - "Life During Wartime" EP ATTANAS - "Joulupukki" EP

Very loose mayhem thrash . Rapid speed dirge guitar The latest EP by ATTANAS shows considerably
and machine win drumming are Joined with harsh, more finesse and style than before, with occasional
scrambled vocals . All the songsDISORDER,
are fast and raw melodic concessions, but losing none of the high-speed
NAPALN~ HC power. These songs are ort and to the point, and
pputtingg_~ this band In the ranks of
show some songwriting quality . Very good effort . (SS)
DEATH and CHAOS UK . (MS)
Teace vhlle Records P . O . Box 17, Dewsbury, WFi (Petri Vallin, Sagars 1, SF-10820 LappohJa,
FINLAND
AA, West Yorkshire, ENGLAND)


AMEBIX - "Monolith" LP POLITICIANS - LP

This record Is on a label called Heavy Metal Older punk meets '70s rock'n'roll with a lot of
Records, comes without a lyric sheet, sounds laden, but Influence on guitar power . Lyrics are above average for
somehow has a glint of Individuality . I had a hard time this genre, but the music bogs down too often for me.
with the length of the cuts and their ponderance, but When they rock, though It's pretty strong stuff . (TY)
hopefully beneath all this weight and silliness lies some (Glitterhouse Records, Langestr 41, 3471 Lauenforde, W.
aid lyrics and Intentions . Hopefully . (TY) GERMANY –
'M/Heavy Metal Records, UK)
SUBHUMANS - "29-29 Split Vision" mini LP
ANHREFN - "Defaid, Skateboards a Wellies" LP
Recorded a month after their final show, these 8
From Wales this band handles both melodic thrash highly produced tracks are their last word . Many of their
and various punk styles, the latter which predominates. varied styles appear here : reggae punk, eclectic
Lyrics are all in Welsh, a very strange looking language, extended tunes, medium tempo punk, medium-fast tunes.
but the music speaks well for Itself . (TY) While by no means throwaways, there are no immediate
(Workers Playtime, 61/71 Collier St ., London Ni 9BE, standout classics . And then came CULTURE SHOCK.
ENGLAND) (TY)
(Bluurg, 2 Victoria Terrace, Meiksham, Wilts, England)
BAD DRESS SENSE - LP
THIS FUCKIN' WORLD - EP
This UK band contains Ed of the
expected, there's a decided American STUPIDS, and, as Instead of the typical Finnish plledrlving
not in the same way . The music andsound here, but superior EP contains four finely crafted classic thrash, this
DC-type " emo" approach, a powerful but lyrics have a tunes, all In an anthemic vein . " punk
hack sound . (TY) ultimately laid Shout," in particular
reminds me of the kind of nostalgic,
used to love . Highly recommended melodic punk we all
(Fat Bat, 419 S . 13th St ., Omaha, NE 68102) . (SS)
(Fuckin Productions, PL 109, 20501 Turku, FINLAND)
BIRDHOUSE - "Burnin' Ip" 12"
UK SUBS - "A .W .O .L ." 12
A six-song release, mainly of pounding guitar heavy
rock with late-60's Detroit power and punk influences. Circa '82 SUBS, some released before, some not --
Lyrics are nothing, but on one song, "Shake It Loose," all studio. Classic punk sounds from a band that dates
the band does produce something memorable in sound. back to '77 and who sport a singer older than me . While
(TV) they've never grabbed me, the SUBS have been a
((Vinyl Solution, UK) perennial lave on the East Coast. Eight songs. (TY)
New w Red Records, U .S .)
CAPITAL SCUM - "TsJerno Kills" LP
UPRIGHT CITIZENS - "Cross Section 81-86" cassette
More than competent metalish HC another example
of Europeans following up on a trend within the U .S. A "history or' cassette, containing cuts off all their
scene . Lots of rifling, non-melodic guitar, power rhythm, records = and a couple of live cuts . Great sounding punk
etc . Otherwise unmemorable . (TY) and II(, well worth getting . (WG)
(Ilageland Records Diestsestraat ($4 to IHIP Records 90 ( ;range Drive, Swindon, Wilts,
87, 3270 SN3 4LD ENGLAND)
cher .ersheuvel BELGIUM)
CONFLICT - "Turning Rebellion into Money" 2LP UPSET NOISE - "Nothing More to be Said" LP

This live recording of the "Gatherin of the 5000" UPSET NOISE specializes in mid-tempo punk with
features a good selection of CONFLICT- material plus distinct speedcore influences in most of the guitar riffin
several CRASS numbers done by CONFLICT and Steve and some of the wanking . Good for the style, I don'
Ignorant . For the most part, all 32 songs have a good have much of a sensitivity for this kind of punk, though I
sound, but the band does have some problems with the have to compliment the fine acidy album cover . (SS)
CRASS music . Included Is a lyric booklet that contains a (Hageland Records Diestsestraat 87, 3270
full explanation of the event . Both ups and downs . (MS) Scherpenheuvel, BELGIUM)
(Mortarhate Records, P . O . Box 448, Eltham, London
$E9 ENGLAND) V/A - "Jak Punk to Punk" LP

KUD IDIJOTI - "Bo1Je Izdati . . ." EP A varied punk thrash and post-punk collection
contains tracks from many of the bands you've read
Ultra-catchy Yugoslavian pop-punk appears on the about In these pages . Included are ARMIA, DEZERTER,
tracks here -- really, it's quite a departure from the REJESTRACJA, TZN XENNA, SIEKIERA, ABADDON,
typically messy, thrashy style popular in this country. and PROCESSS . This Is out on the state label,
KUD Ii)IJOTIhave great melodies on three of four Tampress but might be available through . . . . (TV)
tunes, with nifty choruses In a mid- to fast tempo style. E . Chodorowska, 43-300 Bielsko 8 ., UI . Wyzwolenla
Fine record . (SS) S 3/8 POLAND)
(G . Obradovic, StrahinJica Liana 43, Beograd,
YUGOSLAVIA) V/A - "We Will Be Free" LP
Three bands out of N . Ireland share this amazingly
LIBRESSE - "Krystvarkar" ' great record . ASYLUM, STALAG 17, and TOXIC
WASTE absolutely kick ass, both musically and lyrically,
Boy this one's kinds hard to figure . The sound here delivering track after track of powerful hardcore . Very
is slow and grungy like some mutant of ST . VITUS, If you convincing and necessary! (TY)
can put up with that they do it fairly well . But they do (Warzone Records, 45/47 Donegall St ., Belfast BTI 2FG,
manage to pick up the pace during a number of songs. N . IRELAND
Plus a vocalist who sounds like he's constipated and he's
doing his best to "force the Issue" . Not incredible but V .A . - "There's No Message Like No Message" cassette
worth a listen . (DOG)
(Hardcore Horror Records, no address - Sweden) A pretty swell comp featuring some big names
(DEAD MILKMEN INSTIGATORS etc .))i and a host of
NEGAZIONE - "Nightmare" EP smaller acts like HILLY & THE WILLIES, CIVILISED
SOCIETY?, etc . Good stuff. (WG)
This record Is a re-release of NEGAZIONE's classic (($4 to arkus Weiler, Boelckestr . 10, 5130
"Conannatl a Morte . . ." EP with an additional live track, (;eilenkirchen, W . GERMA')
and it displays this band's absolute command of a. Thefast, V/A - "Unleashed' casse e
frenetic, thrashy, and memorable songwriting style
live song is a tantalizing hint of how good this band must A way hot Aussie HC comp featuring ARM THE
be live . Great record! (SS) INSANE, NOBODY'S VICTIMS, and four more acts.
(New Beginning Records, Box 4461, Davis, CA 95616) Good material booklet included . Nice Job . (WG)
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