Utilizing Vitamin C To Treat Malignancies and Cancer: A Special Interview With Dr. Nathan Goodyear
Utilizing Vitamin C To Treat Malignancies and Cancer: A Special Interview With Dr. Nathan Goodyear
Utilizing Vitamin C To Treat Malignancies and Cancer: A Special Interview With Dr. Nathan Goodyear
It was in Denver, Colorado, and actually, he's speaking at an event in Tampa on vitamin C. It's
going to have some of the world-class experts there, including Dr. Paul Marik, Dr. Peter Kory,
and a few others that I forgot about. I'm sure Nathan will remind me. But well, Nathan will be
presenting and yours truly. So that's going to be in Tampa. I think it's the first week of October.
So, it's welcome to the public. So, you're welcome to join.
And Dr. Goodyear has treated many patients with cancer in ascorbic acid, and he can share some
of its insights with us because it's not terribly expensive. Yes, there's is a cost to it, of course, but
as interventions go for treating malignancies, especially compared to conventional medicine, it's
basically free. Okay. So welcome. And thank you for joining us today,
So, I cut my teeth with the hormones as most do, and that seemed to fit well with me, as it relates
to hormones. I always thought that they were critical in the female group of patients that I would
see. But I also saw men because it was a part of our primary care requirement. And we did a lot
of cancer, a part of our gynecological requirement. So, fast forward, moving through the
integrative movement, starting at about 2006 and I developed my own rare tumor, leave it for
docs to kind of get their own rare thing. I developed a pheochromocytoma.
So, when you look at holistic natural therapies, there's this assumption by so many, including
conventional medicine that we are just throwing darts up on the wall and hope they stick. But in
actuality, we're following genomics, epigenomics, transcriptomics, metabolomics, this kind of
future of medicine that's here now. And we're being incredibly specific for the dysfunction
within the cancer, but with natural holistic or integrative therapy.
Studies out have shown that when you give vitamin C with hyperthermia, here we're talking
about whole-body hyperthermia, you actually achieve a higher plasma ascorbic acid
concentration. So, that's going to impact the fight against cancer, especially with immune system.
Of course, you can't talk about holistic/integrative without mistletoe. I think the future-
The literature is very clear on this and is repeatedly, and not only repeatedly shown this, but it
shows the mechanisms in how it does it. This maximum to tolerated chemotherapy actually
induces the mechanisms to spread the cancer. So, they've actually looked at it in breast cancer
and found that maximum to tolerated chemotherapy will reduce the primary tumor, but yet at the
same time it will spread.
So, when we're dosing in kids, or as you alluded to there, we have to dose, not just based on a
number, but based on the response and the desired effect that we're going after, which is what I
talked about in that lecture about following the plasma ascorbic acid levels. Because if we're
going to use something that's natural and holistic, guess what? We can follow the science to use
it to target the tumor.
Massive difference between whole-food vitamin C and ascorbic acid injected perennially.
They're two different purposes. I would never use whole-food vitamin C to treat cancer. I
wouldn't ever use it for that at all, because it has a lot of supporting biological functions,
specifically as it relates to copper and iron in the cell and the mitochondria.
But then when you look at vitamin C pharmacologically, pharmacokinetically, and actually in
the mechanisms, you go, "Well, this is no drug." It's actually inducing changes metabolically,
epigenetically. That's the great thing about natural therapies is conventional medicine will take
an approach to kind of like throwing a monkey wrench in to shut something down at one point.
But when we're dealing with this major dysfunction where things have metabolically,
genetically, immunologically, they've gone off the rails, we have to come in and we have to
really turn the tide. And that's where the IV comes in. That's where the sodium ascorbate comes
in because that's the only way we're going to be able to change that tide. Again, that's kind of the
summary of what happened in those debate studies.
So, when you take oral dosing, there's several studies that have shown this, now some look at
liposomal versus non-liposomal, but typically you're going to look at somewhere about 100
micromolar, 80 to 100 micromolar with the non-liposomal vitamin C. With liposomal vitamin C,
you're going to actually see an increase absorption of that into the plasma by about three- to
fivefold. So, all the way up, maybe to 300 micromolar.
So, if somebody has a lot of inflammatory markers that are elevated, I'm going to go a higher
dose. If they're 330 pounds, I'm going to go higher dose. So, there's lots of things that you can
kind of clue into needing to do a higher dose. But most of patients I think are around 150 to 200
grams vitamin C at least three days a week.
So, what that means is it creates an energy crisis. It actually depletes the body of certain
intermediates that actually make it so this cancer that's addicted to sugar, cannot use it efficiently
and it overwhelms it and it dies. It also depletes it of its ability to detoxify.
Vitamin C is probably in the pro-oxidative effect, more delivering hydrogen peroxide than it is
the vitamin C, or it's double oxidized metabolite, ascorbate radical. So, hydrogen peroxide, it is
appearing more recently, is more of the intended effect. So, if we want to use the vernacular of
conventional medicine, they would say, "Well, vitamin C is the pro-drug and hydrogen peroxide
is the drug." Okay? But this is not a drug. But a lot of people I think will understand that concept.
And essentially when they break down glucose to a three-sugar molecule, pyruvate, there is a
molecule that's in the cytosol of the cytoplasm of the cell and it has to get into the mitochondria.
Well, I'm not sure exactly how, but it appears the mechanism is pyruvate dehydrogenase kinase,
PDK, impairs the transfer of pyruvate into the mitochondria so you can't generate glucose
essentially. So, it has to rely on glucose as the only way to generate its energy. It just can't use
any of the methods, it's the Warburg effect.
So, it seems that is a – I've never really understood it or certainly never used it, but it seems
ridiculously foolish to not integrate that into the program because it will actually help address
this Warburg effect that the cancer cells utilize, and use it against them with a right dose of
melatonin. So, I'm wondering if you would agree with that and what the dosing of the melatonin
you're using, if it's IV, probably is. I suspect you're using an IV.
So, we use vitamin C, both IV and orally for all of our patients. And we use it in conjunction and
in sequence with other therapies. We use it like at the beginning of hyperthermia, I give IV
melatonin. We also use medical cannabis there. But then I also add in IV vitamin C during their
hyperthermia where we're heating them up to 104, 105 degrees.
So, then he goes, "Well, did you send me the right patient? Did you order the right name?" I said,
"Why are you asking these questions?" He said, "Because the bone mets, which were littered
throughout the spine, they're gone.” I said, "What do you mean they're gone?" He said, "They're
healed." He said, "There's no [inaudible 00:42:41] activity. They look like old fractures that have
healed." And he said, "Do you have any clinical correlation to back this up?" I said, "Oh, yeah.
This patient came in a wheelchair. She couldn't walk." Now she's walking. So, you can see
dramatic effects like that when you use these holistic/integrative natural therapies in
combination, and follow the science.
And, in my view, you never want to do them unless you have no choice. And certainly following
a malignancy, that would be one of the indications. But I've never ordered one, never had one
done, a PET CT scan, but I understand that the levels of ionizing radiation are even higher in a
PET CT scan. Is that true?
But from my perspective, you engage with them in a very strategic way that is essentially
optimizing your body's ability to produce the defense mechanism against it. One of the ways you
can do it is just go in there fasting. I had a good friend of mine who manages a project for me in
Central America. And right before he was starting the project he got diagnosed with melanoma
in the eye and they were going to take his eye out, and decided no. We went down to the
University of Miami and they had this interesting strategy where they put a radio implant in his
eyelid for five days.
And they had incredible, 99% success rate with that, so they didn't have to remove his eye. But,
what we did in that case, which is pretty similar, probably even more radiation than you get in
the CT scan, is he fasted for the entire time, for five days before. So, he went in there water
fasting for five or seven days. And then, he was taking high-dose ketone esters. I mean, 100
grams a day he was taking.
And so, by aiding that with a plant-based diet, of course, we had other things into that, Dr.
Mercola, of course fish and things like that, but these strategies help us to set that foundation in
the gut so as to help improve treatment effectiveness as well as reducing side effects. So, that's
where that is. But I'm not a hard follower to, “You only have to eat raw.”
So, it's not like we have a patient coming in and they have a small little nodule, okay? These are
patients that have failed chemotherapy twice, surgery, recurred. It's a tough spot to be in, but if
we can set a goal that is no evidence of disease and see a 50% reduction in these patients, hey,
that's something that we can work with, because we're not destroying the body, actually, there,
we're working to pick it up.
But when we're talking about cancer, we're talking about an environment that the literature is
really saying, “This environment is unique within the context of the body.” So, we have all these
different environments going on at the same time in cancer, okay? The vitamin C effects will
actually increase the pulling of iron in the tumor. Now that may not sound good, because if
you're increasing the pull of iron in a healthy cell, that is actually very bad, but if you're
increasing it in the cancer cell, that is exactly how that vitamin C through the hydrogen peroxide,
through the interaction with that metal through-
So, from apoptosis to ferroptosis to autophagy. And then also getting the body just breaking it
down and eliminating it renally, and through the gut, and making sure it's not reabsorbed in the
gut. So, all of these are going to be strategies that have to be employed by the body to clean it up
and clear it out.
There's actually research that shows using them in very close sequence to each other, by an hour,
you actually augment the pro-oxidative effect. Again, not just helping people holistically, but
trying to bridge this concept of natural medicine to bring conventional into the understanding of
what we're doing. And then also it's going to be used more in conjunction from a conventional
standpoint with chemotherapy. So, you're going to see conventional medicine move to use
vitamin C, but we've been using vitamin C all along and you can do so very much successfully
without using those other therapies, if you want to.