User talk:ShohagS

Welcome to my talk page. I use the name ShohagS on Wikipedia, but you can call me "Shohag" simply because it's my birth name, though it's not my formal name, my friends call me "A B D". My real name is "Abdullah AL Mamun (Template:Lang-bn)" but I love to merge it with my birth name which is "Abdullah AL Shohag". If you want to start a new conversation, click "New section" at the top of this page. Please, feel free to talk I am currently adding coordinates from enwiki to wikidata.If I did anything wrong, feel free to revert it, also leave a message

Your scripts (or whatever it is)

Please stop your scripts immediately. You should not add coords to people (like Christine Abrahams (Q5110900)) --Hjart (talk) 08:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hjart: Already did it. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 08:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hjart:Will you please elaborate exactly what mistake I have been making? So that I can change them to right. Thanks ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 08:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

First, please revert any human (Q5) that you added coords or continents to.--Hjart (talk) 08:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hjart:Hjart, If you actually see that there is a coordinate in en:Christine Abrahams. I don't know whoever added that one, but that's what the script does. It imports coordinate from enlish wiki. I got no idea why anyone would add coordinates to peoples! ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 08:23, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know why anyone would add coordinates to a person (please see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christine_Abrahams&diff=next&oldid=944690612 ). You should not add coords to people in wikidata though. Please find all human (Q5) that you touched and fix whatever damage you did to them.--Hjart (talk) 08:36, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hjart: Aastrup maybe stated as Wikimedia disambiguation page, but Its actually not, see en:Aastrup. Its says that there's five villages named after that, though it has coordinates. And don't get too excited, let me understant it perfectly. If I am unable to understand it, how will I be able to solve it?! ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 08:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

en:Aastrup just plain should not have coords, because the text doesn't even mention the place pointed to by those coords. --Hjart (talk) 08:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘@Hjart:I understand what you are talking about. but let @MisterSynergy: speak about it a bit. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 08:50, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@MisterSynergy: I think you can help a bit. Please. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 08:33, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay, first of all: don't run any scripts as long as you don't understand what they do. Scripts should also usually be run under a separate bot account, and tasks should be approved by bureaucrats based on some test edits.
Here, the situation seems quite bad in fact. You did not register your edits in the editgroups tool, thus there is no easy way to undo the complete batch. I need to figure out how to do this efficiently. —MisterSynergy (talk) 11:47, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@MisterSynergy:The scripts are available globally and I think is permitted for all https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot But I made a mistake in a different place changing the category generator to living people. And My coordinates import script simply import coordinates from enwiki if available, and User:Hjart's problem is not technical it's because somehow there's coordinates in some pages that doesn't mean anything to have coordinates for them. I think you understand me. And If you see closely, you will find that mass coordinates updating are done by this script from different accounts, personal accounts. Thanks. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 12:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

One more thing, I'd like to add about the script's work that it finds pages from category Coordinates not in wikidata and updates them in wikidata if available in enwiki. And as mentioned most users use this script to update mass data coordinates, also it is the included in pywikibot's existing scripts. It's global. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 12:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Pywikibot scripts may be used of course, but there are restrictions as outlined above which should protect this project and make the bot editing transparent. See Wikidata:Bots as well. You are also expected to take responsibility for your edits, which means you should usually be able to tidy up in case something goes wrong. I currently do not have the impression that this is the case, which implies that you should have edited more carefully than you did. —MisterSynergy (talk) 12:49, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@MisterSynergy:Yes, I should have. And I am going to be from now on. Do you report any error on importing coordinates? Also If you see me doing wrong, please, let me know. Thanks. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 13:10, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hjart:And to you, If it went wrong don't just revert it here, also remove the coordinates from enwiki. Thanks. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 13:49, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

The continent mess is fixed now, but I needed to prepare this manually. Can you please not make any other imports as long as older imports are to be repaired or evaluated? It is really disappointing seeing you doing new imports when you do not even manage to fix the old one. —MisterSynergy (talk) 15:45, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@MisterSynergy:Yep, sure. I thought User:Vanbasten 23 fixed them. But anyway can tell me did you do that with revertbot script? cause I have been thinking a filtration process for those. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 15:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

No revertbot involved here. I went through your contributions list, picked all edits adding continent (P30), asked WDQS which ones are still live, prepared a QuickStatements batch using a text editor, and ran the batch in QuickStatements. Took me some time, and you should not rely on "revertbot" functionality as that is often not available. —MisterSynergy (talk) 16:10, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Continent

I see that you are currently adding coordinates, but it is necessary that before continuing to add information you reverse the one that is wrong. Right now there are hundreds of biographies with a continent, and it should be deleted. Thank you. --Vanbasten 23 (talk) 14:31, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Vanbasten 23:thank you. I think I will have to do it manually. If you can help me, that would be good. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk)

@Vanbasten 23:Thank you very much. I assume that you have done it with revert bot, while I am still trying to figure out how to filter those edits. I request you for the source code so that I can handle it myself. Please. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 15:17, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I was programing my bot to revert the continent, but @MisterSynergy: did it first. Thanks. --Vanbasten 23 (talk) 16:00, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Vanbasten 23, MisterSynergy:Unbeleivable you two people. Thanks a lot. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 04:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Please note that the coordinates imported by your script has some stupid precision value added, which causes the coords to be truncated. In order to show the correct places in i.e. Commons infoboxes, those coords need to be replaced by coord sets without precision values.--Hjart (talk) 05:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hjart:I didn't get. Please show an example. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 05:37, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

If you look at the map in the infobox of commons:Category:Sankt Philipp und Jakob (Altötting), you'll notice that the marker is placed ~500 meters north of the church, even though the original coords are almost spot on. Sometimes the error is just a few meters, sometimes much worse.--Hjart (talk) 06:15, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Also please notice that the english article originally was on a different wikidata item from the german and french articles. There are a lot of errors like this in wikidata. --Hjart (talk) 06:22, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hjart:Yes, It's probably because there diifferent coordinates set in different wikis. Even in wikidata item Q1029917, coordinates have been imported from dutch and english wiki, there's a distance of less than 10 metres form two different coordinate sets. I am simply importing coordinates from enwiki not from commons. If you want to import from commons, you can do it your self, just changing the language to 'commons' in the command line found here. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 06:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Please note that the Commons infobox shows values from Wikidata, including the coordinates, which you imported. I set the coordinate set imported from the english wiki to preferred to show you the error. The dutch coord set doesn't have a precision value and will not show the error. --Hjart (talk) 06:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

If you click "edit" on the coord sets in wikidata, you will notice that the english set has a much higher "precision" than the dutch set. This is what I'm talking about. Also please note that this is a well known problem among many experienced wikidata editors. --Hjart (talk) 06:49, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@Hjart: Is it happening for all import or for some? ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 06:54, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

All coords imported with the script you used. --Hjart (talk) 07:09, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Co-ordinates for humans

Hi. You are adding co-ordinates for human items, such as with Eliza Ann Pugh (Q76368001). This is because English Wikipedia reports the co-ordinates of her grave site. As humans tend to move about during their life times, they shouldn't have a coordinate location (P625) on Wikidata. Can you please add a filter to your script to ignore items with instance of (P31)human (Q5)? From Hill To Shore (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Warning: no more script-based imports

ShohagS, as you seem to mess up all your script-based imports: do not start any more of them or you risk to have your account blocked. I already mentioned earlier that the other coordinate import needs to be evaluated first (and there have been concerns raised about it), and I also notified you that you do not comply with the bot policy here anyways. You need to practice editing Wikidata with manual edits before you can consider using scripts again. —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:06, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

@MisterSynergy:Alright, I am stop. But there's something, I can do about human items. It's even alarming that in english wiki people add coordinates for human items. If I add filter for human items as User:From Hill To Shore mentioned, can I start again? ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 03:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

No, you seem to lack basic understanding and such an erratic approach is not acceptable here. No more batch editing for some months, and thereafter only after getting a bot task approved via Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot. —MisterSynergy (talk) 07:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

ShohagS, Wikipedia and Wikidata are two different systems designed to do two completely different things and organise data in different ways. It is perfectly fine for a human article on Wikipedia to have co-ordinates but not acceptable here; on Wikidata we say an event (for example, a burial) took place at a certain location; we then attach the co-ordinates to the location item and not the person item.

You appear to be assuming that all information in Wikipedia and Wikidata is directly transferable and that it is the fault of the source data in Wikipedia when your actions result in a mistake. To me this shows an alarming lack of understanding of how Wikidata is designed and I don't think you should be operating any automated processes here until you have gained some understanding through manual editing. From Hill To Shore (talk) 07:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@From Hill To Shore, MisterSynergy: Very well then, no automated process from now on. ~ A. Shohag (ping_me||Talk) 08:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)