Wikidata:Property proposal/LAGL author ID

LAGL author ID

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Description	identifier for an Ancient Greek or Latin author in the LAGL Catalog of Authors and Works
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	Acesias (Q3604255) -> greekLit:lagl0001
Example 2	Sulla (Q483783) -> latinLit:phi0652
Example 3	Xenophon (Q129772) -> greekLit:tlg0032

Motivation

Epìdosis Geraki Azertus Alexander Doria Shisma Sp!ros Xena the Rebel Girl Alexmar983 DerHexer Lykos EncycloPetey Jahl de Vautban JBradyK Mathieu Kappler Ahc84 Liber008 JASHough User:Tolanor User:Jonathan Groß

Notified participants of WikiProject Ancient Greece LAGL Catalog has the main aim of providing permanent identifiers for authors (and works: I think I will propose soon a property also for works) in Ancient Greek and Latin, especially for the ones whose works have not been preserved, or are fragmentary, and for this reason aren't well mapped by existing databases, which mainly deal with authors of fully or mostly preserved works. In particular, as of now the database identifies with new IDs nearly 300 ancient Greek authors (and I think also Latin authors will be similarly added in the future) and all the authors are already linked to Wikidata, so the import of all the IDs will be very easy and will help building a reliable framework for referring univocally to ancient Greek fragmentary authors. The database also provides a very useful function, i.e. giving an easy link to the passage(s) of ancient source(s) mentioning each author. --Epìdosis 20:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Comment Some of the authors on LAGL have a TLG prefix and I'm guessing that the addition of Latin authors and works will need the inclusion of the greekLit/latinLit prefix as well. Also, shall this property be approved, will we still have a use for P12600 (P12600)? If we are to use CTS URN anyway it would probably be a good idea to have a single property for that. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 21:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Jahl de Vautban: you are perfectly right; I have just spoken with @Digitalphilologist: and she said that the property for Digital Athenaeus (P12600) is obsolete and she has just asked for its deletion; in fact all the IDs of Digital Athenaeus are now a subset of the IDs of the LAGL Catalog. I also edited the examples above to include all the possible types of IDs. --Epìdosis 15:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Epìdosis, Digitalphilologist: it looks better now, but in my understanding CTS URN are universal and thus not limited to LAGL; the last two examples at least resolve in Perseus as well [1] [2] and the last one in Scaife [3]. I'm not really understanding the technical know-how, but I think we should leverage that and go right away with a more universal approache, that would consist in 1) a CTS URN author/work property, perhaps two if we are to distinguish between them and 2) a CTS URN resolver property, to store the base URL to which you could append the author/work property and that would go on the project Qid. In my opinion this would allow for a much wider use. --Jahl de Vautban (talk) 17:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Support I have just spoken with @Epìdosis: and I confirm that I'm asking the deletion of the Digital Athenaeus property. The LAGL Catalog will include the IDs of the Digital Athenaeus and will also include Latin authors. This is the reason why the prefix before the number is important (e.g., lagl0003) is important. Thank you.--Digitalphilologist (talk) 15:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)