User talk:Harmonia Amanda/Archive 1

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March 2013

  Hello, I'm Bene*. Welcome to Wikidata! I noticed that you recently removed a link from Q390046, but didn't add it anywhere else. If you feel that the link would be better suited to another item, please add it there. (If you don't know how to do that, feel free to contact me at my talk page and I can do it for you.) If you're curious about editing Wikidata, and would like to test things out, please try the Wikidata Sandbox. Thanks, and happy editing! --Bene* ^t_a^l_k 11:36, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Libellé du Seigneur des anneaux

Salut,

Je cherchais sans succès l'entrée Wikidata sur le Seigneur des anneaux quand je me suis aperçu qu'elle était titrée The Lord of the Rings en français... Après avoir corrigé j'ai vu que c'est toi qui avais fait cette modif alors qu'il y avait bien le titre français à l'origine... Je ne comprends pas pourquoi ce changement ? -Ash Crow (talk) 22:33, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Caméra Café

Pourquoi avoir fusionné l'item sur la série française et l'item sur le concept ? Il suffit de regarder les articles liés pour se rendre compte que le contenu était très différent ! --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 12:35, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Salut Harmonia, ok merci d'avoir corrigé. --Sisyph 17:22, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

from narrative universe (P1080) -> present in work (P1441)

Pourqoui replacez-vous? 1) Quelle est la difference? 2) Quel propriete la meilleur a utiliser pour le personnage de l'univers de fiction? --Infovarius (talk) 14:22, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

The same question. To Infovarius: please, translate the answer for me into Russian, i don't understand French ;-) -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 06:41, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

from narrative universe (P1080) link with a fictional universe (item that have instance of (P31) with fictional universe (Q559618)), present in work (P1441) link with a work. I am correcting the wrong uses. If it possible, both properties should be used (for exemple Aragorn (Q180322) has both from narrative universe (P1080) with Tolkien's legendarium (Q81738) and present in work (P1441) with The Lord of the Rings (Q15228)) but most fictional entities doesn't belong to a notable fictional universe, so we can probably use only present in work (P1441).

There was many wrong uses, linking works with P1080 instead of P1441, but I think I cleared most of those. Is that more clear? (I answered in english because you say you understand better english, but as I'm not a native speaker don't hesitate to tell me if I am not understandable). --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 20:41, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Please, answer here, without copying.

That's not wrong uses, P1080 changes its label "from narrative" (Yair rand) → "from narrative or fictional universe" (Zolo) → "from fictional universe" (you, August 20). E.g. Dmitri Karamazov (Q17301560) P1080 ("from narrative") The Brothers Karamazov (Q183157). In russian label was no mention of "fictional universe" at all... -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 05:32, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I add in Property talk:P1441 more "classical" example from "The Seagull" by Anton Chekhov. -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 05:41, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Please, сorrect the values of "description", "infobox parameter" and others template parameters in Property talk:P1441. -- Sergey kudryavtsev (talk) 05:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you're right the english version said that, but I think many people understood "from narrative universe", because if that wasn't the case why say "narrative" and not "work"? The "fictional universe" was added quickly, but wasn't here at first in english. But the french description (only three days after the creation of the property) only mention "universe" and not "work", and that's the same in all the languages I speak/understand. No mention anywhere of "work" from what I could see. No one mentioned this ambiguity when we spoke about creating P:1441.

Either way, we would have had to separate in-universe information (from the fictional universe) and out-universe information (from the work) at one point, so either move "fictional univers" or move "works". I chose to correct "works" because from what I could see P1080 concerned only fictional universes.

The constraints are added to the property talk page . --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 14:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

So the main problem was in synchronizing labels and descriptions in different languages! I was suspicious about your changes, Harmonia, because in Russian they looked strange. --Infovarius (talk) 19:17, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

But now Property talk:P1080 contains contradictory examples (works but + universes). Er? --Infovarius (talk) 19:20, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

The examples are corrected too . I have something like a thousand items to verify still but there was a bug a few days ago and the dump from which many tools are working didn't save a lot of modifications (the modifications are on wikidata but not on autolist). I'll have to wait for the next dump (normally next saturday) to do the rest but it shouldn't concern to many items. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 19:38, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Again I don't understand this change. Franchise is neither universe nor work, it seems to me. --Infovarius (talk) 07:40, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

• As for this edit: there is a claim in Dungeons & Dragons (Q1375) that it's a fictional universe. --Infovarius (talk) 12:10, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Salut! J’ai lu ce qu’il y a ci-dessus ; et du coup je ne comprends pas la modif sur Hyrum Graff (Q15732115): à vue de nez j’aurais gardé from narrative universe (P1080) → Ender's Game hexalogy (Q2642928) et aurais renseigné present in work (P1441) → Ender's Game (Q816016), Ender's Shadow (Q2746500) etc.

Ou alors on considère que Ender's Game hexalogy (Q2642928) ne réfère qu’à l’œuvre (ou ensemble de) et pas à l’univers ?

Jean-Fred (talk) 20:39, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Un peu de Tolkien

Je te mets ici ma récolte... totalement aléatoire ;) - amicalement, --Hsarrazin (talk) 08:12, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

• Annon-in-Gelydh (Q8200321)
• Emyn Arnen (Q3175602)
• Weather Hills (Q8347796) - Weather Hills...
• Secret Fire (Q2708313) -

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Please accept my congratulations. --Stryn (talk) 18:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I have mostly read all these page already but I'll go refreshing my memory. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 19:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations! --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 23:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Project Notification

Hello Harmonia Amanda,

Did you receive the project notification on Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q16747395? I'm not sure if my fix to the template worked. --- Jura 18:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

The Structured Data Bee, vol. 1, issue 1

Greetings, thank you for signing up for the Structured Data newsletter and its first edition. With this newsletter, the Structured data team plans on keeping you informed of technical progress, events, and communications to talk about the project, and continued information on how you can participate. This newsletter will be sent approximately every two weeks, and future editions will be translatable prior to publication. If you're new to Wikidata and want more information about how it works in relation to Wikimedia Commons, you can read an introduction to Wikidata for Commons being drafted.

Tech and design

• The software development for this process is still in the planning phases. The idea is to have some functional prototyping done for experimentation and feedback by the end of the year.
• The initial roadmap for development has been posted on Commons. The roadmap is a rough outline and is open to iterations as the team learns where and when to focus its energies.
• There is a page set up for design ideas about what structured data could potentially look like.
• There are forthcoming requests for comment about the particulars of technical architecture on mediawiki.org. Keep an eye on the commons:Commons:Structured data/Get involved page for notification of when the RfCs are posted.

Events and chats

• There was a week-long meeting between the Wikimedia Foundation's Multimedia team, the Wikidata team, and community members, held in Berlin, Germany, at the office of Wikimedia Deutchland on October 6-10. You can read an overview of the event in on this page on Commons. There are also plenty of pictures available on Wikimedia Commons.

• If you would like to read more detail about what was discussed, there are etherpads of notes taken for each day of the event.

• The next IRC office hour to discuss the structured data project will be held on November 20, from 19:30 to 20:30 UTC.

• The second IRC office hour (logs) was held on October 16, and the first (logs) on September 3.

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• You've signed up for the newsletter. That's a great first step!
• While working prototypes are being developed, there is a drive to make all files contain machine-readable data on Wikimedia projects.

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• A hub has been launched to facilitate communication and documentation for this work.

• There is a frequently-asked questions page that is finishing drafting and will need translated. Keep an eye out for when it is ready if you are interested in translating.
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There will be much more information and activities around the proposal to develop structured data on Wikimedia Commons. This project is a major undertaking and an important step as the chief provider, repository, and curator of media for Wikimedia projects.

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Mise à jour de Wikidata no labels

Bonsoir,

L'outil https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-nolabels/ permet désormais d'encoder directement une liste d'items comme alternative à une requête WDQ.

Depuis Autolist, clique sur le lien Download, et copie/colle le résultat dans l'onglet Items list. --Dereckson (talk) 00:21, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Cheat code : tu peux directement noter l'adresse au lieu du contenu de la page.

Cela permet de pouvoir directement faire un clic droit sur le lien Download de WDQ, et le coller dans l'outil (sur l'onglet Items list, et non sur WDQ API search).

Ici, ce serait donc https://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/index.php?language=fr&project=wikipedia&category=&depth=12&wdq=claim%5B1080%3A81738%5D&mode=undefined&statementlist=&run=Run&label_contains=&label_contains_not=&chunk_size=10000&download=1 comme URL.

Lien direct

--Dereckson (talk) 03:14, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Re:

Thanks for the info! I had doubts about the use of these properties but now they're solved. Cheers! Totemkin (talk) 13:59, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Extending present in work (P1441) on real/legendary/biblical etc. persons

Some time ago I started a discussion about extending the property and use it for non-fictional characters as well. The idea has a strong backing from Jura1, who wants to pair it with characters (P674) and introduce an invert constraint there (see also discussion page there). Since you were the proponent of the P1441 property, I would appreciate your opinion to this issue.--Shlomo (talk) 12:02, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

je ne sais pas où il se raccroche celui-là....

cadeau, pas trop empoisonné j'espère Q92553 --Hsarrazin (talk) 11:44, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Why

Hi, why do you create non linked items such as Q18643306, Q18643318 etc? At least I do not find articles on any Wikipedia connected to them. Csigabi (talk) 20:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Q18663532

In my opinion, you should make other claims in an item such as 2001 Tustumena 200 (Q18663532). Compare it with an edition of the Tour de France, Olympic Games etc. So it should be instance of (P31) Tustumena 200 (Q7856853) instead of using part of (P361). Also, the specific location can be described in the 'event' item and not in the edition item. Here, the 'location' = 'Tustumena 200'is not valid anyway because it is not a location but a race. Michiel1972 (talk) 16:33, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Labels

Hello Harmonia Amanda,

I found the Special:ApiSandbox very useful to do a large number of changes. You can do all labels in one go. Inwind (talk) 08:53, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

FL500 et JO de 1932

Salut, c'est normal, ça ? https://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1351414&lang=fr -Ash Crow (talk) 15:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Non ><. Ne jamais contribuer sur un autre ordi que le sien, j'ai dû me planter dans les copiés-collés. Je corrige ça immédiatement, merci du signalement. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 17:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

scratched (Q18595374) & withdrawal (Q18609099)

Please add English descriptions to these item, so that other users can find their difference.--GZWDer (talk) 12:17, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

@GZWDer: I tried to explain it, but my english isn't very good. I based these items on this because I mostly use it for sled dog racing where these terms are used. I thought we could expand them to others sports but I'm not sure I'm clear. --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 12:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Checkpoints de la Finnmarksløpet

Hello,

J'ai sorti la liste des checkpoints de toutes les éditions de la Finnmarksløpet.

Je vais avoir besoin d'un csv avec deux colonnes ("checkpoint" et "qid") qui répertorie tous ces lieux ^^' -Ash Crow (talk) 21:57, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons update

Greetings,

After a delay in updates to the Structured data on Commons project, I wanted to catch you up with what has been going on over the past three months. In short: The project is on hold, but that doesn't mean nothing is happening.

The meeting in Berlin in October provided the engineering teams with a lot to start on. Unfortunately the Structured Data on Commons project was put on hold not too long after this meeting. Development of the actual Structured data system for Commons will not begin until more resources can be allocated to it.

The Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Germany have been working to improve the Wikidata query process on the back-end. This is designed to be a production-grade replacement of WikidataQuery integrated with search. The full project is described at Mediawiki.org.This will benefit the structured data project greatly since developing a high-level search for Commons is a desired goal of this project.

The Wikidata development team is working on the arbitrary access feature. Currently it's only possible to access items that are connected to the current page. So for example on Vincent van Gogh you can access the statements on Q5582, but you can't access these statements on Category:Vincent van Gogh or Creator:Vincent van Gogh. With arbitrary access enabled on Commons we no longer have this limitation. This opens up the possibility to use Wikidata data on Creator, Institution, Authority control and other templates instead of duplicating the data (what we do now). This will greatly enhance the usefulness of Wikidata for Commons.

To use the full potential of arbitrary access the Commons community needs to reimplement several templates in LUA. In LUA it's possible to use the local fields and fallback to Wikidata if it's not locally available. Help with this conversion is greatly appreciated. The different tasks are tracked in phabricator, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89594 .

Volunteers are continuing to add data about artworks to Wikidata. Sometimes an institution website is used and sometimes data is being transfered from Commons to Wikidata. Wikidata now has almost 35.000 items about paintings. This is done as part of the WikiProject sum of all paintings. This helps us to learn how to d:Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structuremodel and refine metadata about artworks. Experience that will of course be very useful for Commons too.

Additionally, the metadata cleanup drive continues to produce results. The drive, which is intended to identify files missing {{Information}} or the like structured data fields and to add such fields when absent, has reduced the number of files missing information by almost 100,000 on Commons. You can help by looking for files with similarly-formatted description pages, and listing them at Commons:Bots/Work requests so that a bot can add the {{Information}} template on them.

At the Amsterdam Hackathon in November 2014, a couple of different models were developed about how artwork can be viewed on the web using structured data from Wikidata. You can browse two examples here and here. These examples can give you an idea of the kind of data that file pages have the potential to display on-wiki in the future.

The Structured Data project is a long-term one, and the volunteers and staff will continue working together to provide the structure and support in the back-end toward front-end development. There are still many things to do to help advance the project, and I hope to have more news for you in the near future. Contact me any time with questions, comments, concerns.

-- User:Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Given names

Thanks for the revert and note on Jeff (Q18609696). Names are not my focus, but fleshing out some baseball players, I wanted to go ahead and add statements for given and family names, but I missed the note on the project page about aliases. One question you might know the answer to: For a person such as Jeff T. Alu (Q687270) whose full name is Jeffrey Thomas Alu, should Jeff (Q18609696) be a value for given name (P735), nickname (P1449), or both? Josh Baumgartner (talk) 16:21, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@Joshbaumgartner: For me Jeff (Q18609696) should be a value of nickname (P1449) but I have seen people use given name (P735) with the qualifier instance of (P31) nickname (Q49614). --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 16:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I think I am with you on that, the former method seems cleaner. Thanks! Josh Baumgartner (talk) 17:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

winner (P1346)

Hi, I have been searching threw recent constraints violations and happened upon Rohn Buser (Q18642371). It appears because P1346 is used by items that are competitions (not on the winners of competitions), e.g. 2010 FIFA World Cup (Q176883) => Spain men's national football team (Q42267). Just FYI --Haplology (talk) 04:08, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Why?

Why did you merge "Star Wars Universe" with "Star Wars Expanded Universe"? The latter is only for what's outside of the canon six films and two cartoon series, the "universe" is for what's inside them. Please contact the Star Wars WikiProject before making such large decisions, I probably added the statement "from fictional universe" to 100+ items. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 21:04, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Lien redirection-wikidata

Désolé, mon objectif était une fonctionnalité, par du vandalisme. Où puis je trouver des infos qui parlent cette incompatibilité ? --Jmh2o (talk) 17:45, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Personnage de

Salut,

Vu pour l'annulation pour personnage du Trône de Fer, j'ai compris à la fin qu'il s'agissait de choses légèrement différentes. Après réflexion c'est l'existence même de ces entrées « Personnage de ... » qui ne me semble pas utile car c'est une redondance de deux propriétés existantes (nature + présent dans l'oeuvre). De la même manière qu'il ne faut pas redéfinir un film avec une combinaison (nature + genre), comme ici. C'est à mon avis une erreur de structure qui la complexifie inutilement, sur le modèle défaillant des catégories de Wikipédia où il faut sous-diviser le plus possible comme fr:Catégorie:Film de fantasy néo-zélandais (nature+genre+pays). En plus avec la division par œuvre, on va se retrouver avec une longue liste de nature de pour les œuvres qui ont été beaucoup dérivées, alors que la propriété present in work (P1441) est faite pour ça. Est-ce qu'il y a eu des discussions à ce sujet quelque part ? Cordialement. Akeron (talk) 15:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)