Wikidata:Property proposal/literary form

literary form

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Done: form of creative work (P7937) (Talk and documentation)

Description	structure of a piece of writing
Represents	literary form (Q4263830)
Data type	Item
Domain	literary work (Q7725634)
Example 1	Anna Karenina (Q147787) → novel (Q8261)
Example 2	Romeo and Juliet (Q83186) → play (Q25379)
Example 3	Ode to a Nightingale (Q3349126) → ode (Q178985)

Motivation

literary form (Q4263830) describes the structure of a written work, which is different from literary genre (Q223393). Unfortunately the current data model in Wikidata mixes both literary genre and form as one together, which is not correct. Adding this property into Wikidata will help correctly model bibliographic data. WikiProject Books has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 18:02, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Oppose Why don't use Anna Karenina (Q147787)instance of (P31)novel (Q8261), Romeo and Juliet (Q83186)instance of (P31)play (Q25379) and Ode to a Nightingale (Q3349126)instance of (P31)ode (Q178985)? All of these are already subclasses of literary form (Q4263830). --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:51, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

 Comment @Tinker Bell:, according to Wikidata:WikiProject Books, it has been decided to use literary work (Q7725634) for instance of (P31), not novels, ode etc. That is the data model we follow. For literary forms, it is now used in literary genre (Q223393), which is incorrect, hence this proposal for this property to correctly describe a literary work. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 05:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Bodhisattwa: How could you model the genre (P136) and the literary form (Q4263830) of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (Q43361)? --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 07:50, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tinker Bell:, literary form (Q4263830) would be novel (Q8261) and genre (P136) would be fantasy literature (Q1057172), the first one is the structure of the work and the second one is about the content. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 08:26, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Bodhisattwa:  Support. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 23:09, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

•  Neutral leaning toward  Support.  Comment it's complicated as some "type" are both genre and form (including novel (Q8261) and all the subclasses). How to determine which property to use in these edge cases? Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 12:39, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

  How novel (Q8261) can be a genre (in Russian it's not)? Probably there is problem in ambiguous English word "genre"? --Infovarius (talk) 09:54, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

 Support  Comment I wonder if this couldn't be made to more generic? Films have the same issue, with Film>Feature Film etc. and Project Music certainly have a need for a property like this, with Album>Studio album, Live Album, Compilation album, Remix album, Concept album, etc. Several other properties are also shared between WikiProject Music has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. and Project Books, would renaming this to "form/format of creative work" (or something more elegant than that) be possible? Moebeus (talk) 17:15, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

 Comment As Moebeus has stated, shouldn't this be more generic? In designing these properties one always has to think of items that stretch the boundaries. What about literary works that have no literary form?

I think it's a good idea to make this more generic. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 22:50, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

• Tentative  Support This helps solve a problem I've had to deal with in my work with Wikidata's literary data but some of the other concerns should at least be addressed. --NoInkling (talk) 21:44, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
•  Support, an important property for literature.--Arbnos (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
•  Support I agree with Moebeus that it should be more generic. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 16:40, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
• @Bodhisattwa, VIGNERON, Moebeus, NoInkling, Arbnos, Valentina.Anitnelav: I created the property since nobody opposed to its creation. I've labeled it "format of creative work" in order to make it more generic, but I used "literary form" as an alias, in each language, although I thought "artistic form" could be a better label. I set Wikidata item of this property (P1629) as form of art (Q1437361) because literary form (Q4263830) is a subclass of that item. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)