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[edit]Hello there, I'm not certain you were notified but the page you started for Sounds True was nominated by another editor for speedy deletion and I have recently reviewed and deleted it. It took me some time to make the decision because this is quite clearly a bona fide company and the article was in no way promotional. However the article made no assertions of notability, specifically nothing that I could see that met the criteria at WP:ORG. I did do a Google search to see if I could find any decent secondary sources but couldn't find anything that wasn't the company's own website or an obvious press release.
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[edit]See User talk:Anthony Appleyard#What was this?. Uncle G (talk) 19:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Sierra Club Books
[edit]Well done! Count on me for help with this article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Flora and fauna of the San Francisco Bay Area
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[edit]I fixed the deletion discussion for Roger Oakland, which was red-linked in the log. You just need to go give your deletion rationale. Cheers. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 11:35, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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[edit]I've reversed your change because literature includes poetry and people who wrote poetry for children belong on this list. Looking at Tanwir Phool's awards list, some or all of his poetry appears to be aimed at children. Bmcln1 (talk) 19:49, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
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I've got a copy of the authorized Taxi book and should probably look through that to fill out his bio.
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List of books about Oakland, California
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Fair use of poetry
[edit]Hello Mercurywoodrose. You deleted the short poem in the article on Adrien Stoutenburg on grounds of copyright violation. I believe you are incorrect about this. My understanding is that short poems may be quoted in their entirety for purposes of research and criticism; this is part of the fair use doctrine, and is commonly done in newspapers, magazines, and scholarly work. It is not possible to discuss a poet's work without being able to quote more than two lines of a poem, as you can well imagine. Similarly, when one quotes from prose sources, fair use normally encompasses quotations of several sentences, depending upon the details.
If there is a specific Wikipedia guideline that contradicts this, please give me the link, and I'll take this discussion there. Otherwise I'll restore the poem shortly. Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 11:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
- I see you are active editing poetry articles, and are active here in general, so you are probably at least as versed in policy as i think i am. However, I believe that Wikipedia:Non-free content, section on acceptable use of nonfree text, states policy clearly: "Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea...Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited." I know the section i removed MIGHT apply here, but I think it doesnt. I think this means we cannot quote entire poems. But, i may be wrong, as my research doesnt give me a conclusive answer. I have checked on the status of quoted poems in articles on Philip Larkin, Pablo Neruda, Allen Ginsberg, T.S. Eliot, Sylvia Plath and the poems The Second Coming (poem), Howl and Other Poems, The Cantos, The Waste Land, Pomes Penyeach, Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats, Lady Lazarus, Tulips (poem), Ariel (poem). most dont have any quotes, the rest have partial quotes of whole poems, and Pablo Neruda's page has a quote of a complete poem, "curse" (i have inquired on that page about whether that is a copyright violation) . Fire and Ice (poem) doesnt say it in the article, but wikisource says its in the public domain, and thus can be quoted in its entirety. Philip larkin has multiple quotations of complete short poems, and again, i have inquired there as to whether that is acceptable. I think my edit was correct, but i see some ambiguity right now in interpretation, so i wont revert your good faith reversion of my edit, until we hear from someone else about this. i may post a specific question at a forum somewhere, but not yet. By the way, this extensive research i just did is mostly about my own process of education, and about the importance of not violating copyright, not about the relative importance of the inclusion of the poem. thanks for putting up with my obsession here.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:52, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- This subject could use a good writeup somewhere as a Wikipedia guideline. Here is a link to a pretty good discussion from the Poetry Foundation. I haven't read it very carefully myself, but I think it indicates that fair use would apply to a quoting a poem of modest length as part of a Wikipedia article; see p. 11. Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 12:39, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry to butt into your discussion, but I would just like to reiterate here what I said on the Philip Larkin talk page: none of our quotes on Philip Larkin are whole poems; the largest quote is a four-line stanza from a three-stanza poem. Yours, almost-instinct 16:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- I think that quotation of an entire poem is encompassed by "fair use" under some conditions. The advice to online poetry compilers in the document noted above is, "Under fair use, an online resource (such as a blog or web site) may make examples of selected published poetry electronically available to the public, provided that the site also includes substantial additional cultural resources, including but not limited to critique or commentary, that contextualize or otherwise add value to the selections," and also "Where a poet’s work is reasonably available for purchase in volume form, compilers should restrict themselves to the use of single or isolated poems only." I think this covers us pretty well.
- I acknowledge that the Stoutenburg poem, "Cicada", that I quoted in her article is longer than normally quoted in Wikipedia, so it is a good test case. I wanted to give readers a fair glimpse of her talent, which a snippet does not do. My point is that editors should not hamper themselves unduly when there is no discernible harm to a writer's commercial interest. In Stoutenburg's case, her four poetry collections are no longer in print. And she missed receiving a Pulitzer by the thinnest of margins.
- I'm not quite sure how to convert any of this into a Wikipedia guideline. One possibility would be to set an arbitrary threshold for the number of lines that can be quoted without giving a specific fair use rationale on an article's talk page. If this were our procedure, I'd suggest 14 lines; a sonnet should not be dismembered casually. For longer quotations, such as "Cicada", the procedure would be somewhat like the one that Wikipedia has established for fair use of copyrighted images. What do you think? Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 03:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
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[edit]In regards to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conscious hip hop, where exactly should I merge Conscious hip hop? I don't see any good place in Hip hop, and making it a subsection of the Genres section would wrongly suggest this style is important in hiphop. There is List of hip hop genres but that's just a list, a section of content seems not quite appropriate. And please don't vote to merge without a specific idea of how to do it. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
- Good observations, and it is a problem. If i were merging, i would place it at Hip hop music, instead of Hip hop, either in, or after the 2000 section, in a subsection called Conscious Hip Hop. I would be tempted to move the entire article content over, and see what the other editors thought of it. I see your point about not voting for merge unless i had a place, but i honestly thought there would, logically, be a sourced section on hip hop genres, which there isnt quite. actually, the subject of conscious hip sort of transcends genre, and is more about the politics and social statements in hip hop. a section on politically engaged/socially conscious hip hop would help the article, but thats a lot of work to create. maybe the editors at Hip hop music would have a better idea. I still stand by my merge vote, as it seems to me noteworthy and belongs somewhere. Thats similar to voting to keep an article without actually improving it. the vote to keep is about inherent notability, not about whether we do the work. Ive voted numerous times without doing the work to improve (ive also done lots of work to improve articles so that others can SEE the inherent notability, but stopped after the vote).Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC) This was originally posted at User talk:Dondegroovily
- Placing it in Hip hop music has the exact same problem as putting it in Hip hop. It seems like there needs to be a page like List of minor Hip hop genres to shove all this stuff in. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- I agree that it doesnt fit neatly anywhere. I wish the list of hip hop genres was more than a list of names, then minor genres could be added there. OK, maybe the best suggestion i can make is adding a subsection on conscious hip hop to Hip Hop#Diversification, as that section touches on hip hops use in dealing with social issues.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- How about this idea, Which may be better: merge with Political hip hop?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:56, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- I agree that it doesnt fit neatly anywhere. I wish the list of hip hop genres was more than a list of names, then minor genres could be added there. OK, maybe the best suggestion i can make is adding a subsection on conscious hip hop to Hip Hop#Diversification, as that section touches on hip hops use in dealing with social issues.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Placing it in Hip hop music has the exact same problem as putting it in Hip hop. It seems like there needs to be a page like List of minor Hip hop genres to shove all this stuff in. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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