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==Strip map==
any sydneysider or melburnian care to contribute a Hume strip map?

:The Australian government uses [[Crown copyright]], and so, unlike in the US, there is not exactly a wealth of public domain maps of Australia for use on Wikipedia. --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 00:59, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

::5 years later and neither a Sydneysider or a Melbournian (a Gold Coaster/Brisbanite) I have added a strip map (scale). [[User:MagpieShooter|[magpieshooter]]] <sup>[[User_talk:MagpieShooter|T]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/MagpieShooter|C]]</sub> 16:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== other alternatives besides Princes ==

There are other alternative routes that are IMHO even more beautiful, if even longer, than the Princes Highway, for instance it's possible to take the King Valley road from Wangaratta to Mansfield, and the Midland thereafter.  On the New South Wales side, it's also possible to go through Canberra and the Snowys to reach Corryong, then to Albury.  Hence my edit.  --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 01:50, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

==Engineered Speed Limit==
I remember hearing that the Victorian side of the highway was engineered for 130km/h, anybody know of a reference for this? It certainly explains why 110k's seems like such a crawl on some streches.. --[[User:Commking|Commking]] 04:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

:Frankly, its lanes are wider, straighter, and certainly less trafficked than most of the autobahns in Germany.  You'd probably have to go digging through VicRoads documents to find that kind of information; a friend's father recently retired from VicRoads and might just know where such documents might be hidden...--[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 04:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

::It would be nice to find out. I imagine it would be politically sensitive for Vicroads to come out and say that 130kmh is what they had in mind... --[[User:Commking|Commking]] 04:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I think that because it is called M31 and more wide straight road, I think 120-140 KM/H is ideal.  In fact Victoria's Towards Zero website said that Hume and Calder Highways have a similarity with the German Autobahns. However they don't mention about raising the limit. NSW RMS doesn't talk about this a lot either. <ref>https://www.towardszero.vic.gov.au/news/articles/victorias-calder-highway-And-hume-freeway-and-germanys-autobahn-motorways-how-do-they-compare</ref>  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Glen.joseph|Glen.joseph]] ([[User talk:Glen.joseph#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Glen.joseph|contribs]]) 08:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Semantic distinction: ==
The graphic for Victoria is evidently manufactured by a NSWelshman - I've never seen a highway in Victoria referred to as 'National'. Heh. They're all simply designated M, A, B or C level routes with a number. A Victorian Hume Highway sign then, simply reads M31, same as the Princes' is designated M1. This map would indicate more correctly the victorian designation. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HumefreewayVictoria.jpg] But hey, this point IS more or less irrelevant, so I have no idea why I feel compelled to point this out. --[[User:TheShadowDawn|TheShadowDawn]] 12:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
:The 'National' sign is obsolete and about to be replaced in NSW --[[User:Grahamec|Grahamec]] 00:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
::Dont national get national funding rather than State? The M31 Hume Highway is a National Highway. Unlike, the M1 (which is simply alpha-nemric) the Hume, as with sections of The Western Ring Road and the Western Highway have their alpha-numeric designation (i.e. M31) enclosed in the National Highway shield. Although the Hume in New South Wales is simply A31 enclosed in a silver reflective rectangle; seen in Albury on the Hume Freeway bypass.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.161.71.12|119.161.71.12]] ([[User talk:119.161.71.12|talk]]) 05:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Coolac by pass ==
From the minutes of the Wagga Wagga Council Policy and Strategy Committee of 13 June 2006 [http://www.wagga.nsw.gov.au/viewfile.aspx?article=GGV1LRFBNQER6UE12ANR&file=Minutes%2013.6.2006.pdf]
:QS-19 COOLAC BYPASS Councillor B Andrews advised that whilst attending the Shires Conference he had the opportunity to raise the issue of the Coolac By-Pass with the Member of Wagga Wagga Mr Daryl Maguire. Councillor B Andrews was advised that the Wiradjuri people had no objection to the by-pass and that the State Minister was blaming everybody else for the delay.
:Councillor B Andrews suggested that an email be sent to The Deputy Premier and Minister for Transport Mr John Watkins and the Federal Minister for Transport and Regional Services Mr Warren Truss advising them of the people that have been killed or seriously maimed on this section of the Hume Highway. Councillor B Andrews advised that he has the email addresses.
:The Mayor thanked Councillor B Andrews for his comments.
::This topic has been debated elsewhere - most notably [[Talk:Gundagai, New South Wales]].  It seems there no heritage reason to stop the construction. --[[User:AYArktos|A&nbsp;Y&nbsp;Arktos]]\<sup>[[User_talk:AYArktos|talk]]</sup> 01:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
::*From [http://abc.net.au/news/australia/nsw/bega/200508/s1436364.htm ABC News of August 2005], ''The head of the Brungle Tumut Land Council, Margaret Berg, says the Land Council has already researched the cultural sites and developed a plan to protect them.''  Shes said ''her community wants the Coolac bypass started and is upset at outside calls for a new study of cultural sites along the planned route.  The Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA) has agreed to Wiradjuri man Neville Williams' call to do a second survey.''--[[User:AYArktos|A&nbsp;Y&nbsp;Arktos]]\<sup>[[User_talk:AYArktos|talk]]</sup> 11:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
::*As at May 2006: ''RTA's report circulating  - A report into the historical significance of the areas  designated for the Coolac bypass has been circulated. Neville Williams a Wiradjuri elder asked for the study and said that the ‘ball is in the RTA's court and it is up to them to decide when work commences’.''[http://ntru.aiatsis.gov.au/newlet/mayjune06.pdf AIATSIS Native Title Newsletter May/June 2006 (pdf)]  The RTA site provides no update. [http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/constructionmaintenance/majorconstructionprojectsregional/southwest/coolac/index.html]   However, in April 2006, ABC News reported that ''The RTA has now decided to engage a specialist from the Australian Museum to do more survey work to resolve remaining Aboriginal heritage issues.  In a statement quoting an unnamed spokesman, the RTA says this latest process is expected to take some months before tenders will be let.''[http://abc.net.au/news/australia/nsw/riverina/200604/s1617164.htm]--[[User:AYArktos|A&nbsp;Y&nbsp;Arktos]]\<sup>[[User_talk:AYArktos|talk]]</sup> 11:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

==Coolac Bypass Nonsense==

ANYONE who had a genuine interest in the 'Salvage or Destroy Indigenous Sites' process re the Coolac Bypass, could have registered an interest and been fully informed re what was happening.  The advertised calls for registrants, was in the press. NOT 1 person from Wagga Council registered, certainly no Andrews person whoever that is. NOT 1 person from Gundagai Council registered.  Barely anyone registered. To compound this, (lets say they didnt realise and for that first lot of surveys given the publicity re Coolac Bypass, they needed time to become aware), for the next lot of surveys for the Sheahan Bridge AGAIN none of them registered. They chose not to. Some people then try and stir whatever than can, however they can, making up total nonsense re stuff they know nil about at their own doing as they DID NOT register to know, quoting some flea bitten unknown re stuff. Some people get on here making up idiotic nonsense abotu stuff they have even less idea about and sprout it as they they have authority re it.  Its pretty banal. Its just as well that Neville Williams asked for further surveys at Coolac as, as a result of it, highly significant archaeology has been found. This archaeology is important to all Australians, not just to Indigenous people.  Tumut Brungle Land Council people worked on the extra surveys so it went in their favour also as they earned money from the fieldwork plus also got the chance to find out more about lost aspects of their culture. They are just nnoyed about 'outside' peopel coming in but Neville Williams is very local and acknowledged as thta by Marg berg on ABC Radio.  Coolac is Neville family home country and I also know from my family, Nevilles family to be THE family for that area.  Whatever, heaps more archaeology has been found at Coolac.  The initial surveys were only basic ones whereas the more recent surveys have been more thorough. No one at anytime was protesting the bypass being put through but there is a requirement that proper EIS' are carried out, and now they have been/are being. Its really really good that Neville Williams' effort resulted in those surveys.  His effort has resulted in heaps more being known re Australia's prehistory and all should give him a 'very well done' for that. Who wants to deny Indigenous culture, its rights under Oz law?  I certainly do not.  However, its also cultural heritage stuff that Australia loses, if its lost.  All of Oz i.e. not just some of Oz. I also know that some authorites dont disclose stuff if those with a reg interest seemingly do not know stuff.  I was at a meeting recently where that happened with me disputing something said, then the whole meeting knew from what I said, re what I said, then what I said went missing from the Minutes, but then artefacts were acknowledged 'the whole way along' and that passed on to me, and I would like to know who has had those artefacts since 1970s as the Indigenous people or the Australian Museum, didn't  it seems - as Oz law legislates is to happen. Its amazing the aggro that Indigenous heritage stirs up.  I fail to understand it but know that not all think how I do re Indigneous people, heritage and culture. Wagga Council is totally nil to do with this stuff.  Who cares what they think.  They need to tend their own Council given its under investigation rather than carrying on about stuff 100k awat from their capitol that is nil to do with them and that they could NOT have had any real interest in as they DID NOT register an interest in it.

==A31==
The A31 logo looks very nice, but this system has not been introduced in NSW yet, and there is no date yet announced for its introduction. [[User:Quaidy|Quaidy]] 04:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
:We've had M31 signs on the Hume Freeway in Albury (in NSW) for the past twelve months. As far as I know there's been no grand announcement, it's already being phased in. Same deal with the Riverina Hwy signs showing it as the B58. [[User:Gths|Graham]] ([[User talk:Gths|talk]]) 04:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:NewEnglandAndGoldenHighwaySigns.JPG|thumb|Mixture of alphanumeric and numeric signs at the intersection of the [[New England Highway]] and [[Golden Highway]]]]
::The Hume is certainly not the only one to get such signage phased in. --[[User:AtholM|Athol Mullen]] ([[User talk:AtholM|talk]]) 08:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::When I was going through Albury in late July, 2009 the Hume Freeway section in NSW was designated A31 rather than its M31 Victorian counterpart.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.161.71.12|119.161.71.12]] ([[User talk:119.161.71.12|talk]]) 05:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::Speaking of Road Signs, There should have been a mix of Alpha-numeric and Old Road Signs think RMS should have kept some of the old road signs like NH (for big highways like Hume so that people will know it is an interstate hwy), Metroads (not really need), State Roads, NR. In Camden Valley Way, I honestly prefer the route numbered as ST 89 and TD 12. They can use Old signs for less common highways such as Old Hume Hwy and like Golden Hwy People will know the Old Hume Hwy from Prestons to Southern Highlands. Also if you go to google maps and change the time in streetview, near the Olympic and Hume Hwy,  choosing 2009 will show A31 and A41 but on 2013 it shows National Hwy 31 and Route 41.  [[User:Glen.joseph|Glen.joseph]] ([[User talk:Glen.joseph|talk]]) 08:40, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

==Hume and Hovell==

Why would they have a road that was named after Hume from the Hume an dHovell expedition, go a different direction to where its claimed on wik, that Hume and Hovell travelled.  By rights, the hume Highway shoudl go via Tumut accordign to wik. Isnt it amazing what some do to gain a tourist arrtaction. The Hume Highway (or Great South Road) used to go to Harden, then to Brawlin, then across to Coolac.  (Avoiding stuff again.) Also, where is Major Mitchells Rd?  Its probably the most significant trackway and it is being lost because of the concentration on Hume and Hovells route.  Given Mitchell became Surveyor General also, its significant.  That road and most of the other roads, didnt come through Gundagai till much later, skirting to the west of the town (and also avoiding the tolls).  It was only when the Prince Alfred Bridge was built in the 1860s that the highway then came through Gundagai. The Antarctic was west, 60+ mya.  The South Pole was where Broken Hill is these days. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:203.54.174.59|203.54.174.59]] ([[User talk:203.54.174.59|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/203.54.174.59|contribs]]) 08:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:The Hume Highway does not purport to be a trail following Hume and hovell -it is simply a highway named after Hume, the explorer. As for Major Mitchell -Victorian has an extensive network of routes that do follow the actuaol (or within kilometres of) Major Mitchell's travels, albeit throughout Western Victorian. Check it before you wreck, nah mean na sayin, cuz?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.161.71.12|119.161.71.12]] ([[User talk:119.161.71.12|talk]]) 06:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::The history section is slack. What would be useful is a time frame that common public road/trail travel began between Sydney and Melbourne. Shipping had a long monopoly here, and there were numerous small boats that carried 10-25 passengers around the east coast. The big immigrant ships from Britain town-hopped from Perth to Brisbane carrying local passengers, but they were infrequent. Many of the less desirable convicts, such as bestialists, were offloaded in Perth, leaving room for steerage passnegers.[[Special:Contributions/220.240.252.16|220.240.252.16]] ([[User talk:220.240.252.16|talk]]) 06:02, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

== Coolac massacre - Reliable sources ==
I don't believe the reference cited for the Coolac massacre, http://help.com/post/3296/coolac-massacre/  , meets the criteria under [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Using_online_and_self-published_sources]] - specifically ''Posts to bulletin boards, Usenet, and wikis, or messages left on blogs, should not be used as sources.'' --[[User:Golden Wattle|Golden Wattle ]] <sup>[[User_talk:Golden Wattle|talk]]</sup> 23:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
:Help.com is more reliable than wik as it has the Coolac massacre posted.  Lololololololol lolololol ha!  Wik is totally not needed as there are heaps more out there will put stuff up.  The Coolac Massacre post got collected from the other end, months ago though so it can also melt from help.com if it wants.
::Help.com is not acceptable, sorry. That post represents the writer's opinion only (you, I suspect). It's not in the slightest bit acceptable as a source. [[User:Sarah_Ewart|Sarah Ewart]] ([[User talk:Sarah_Ewart|Talk]]) 08:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Cute how help.com uses the wikipedia for its "primer"[http://help.com/wiki/1203044/gundagai/] and uses my photgraph (without attribution for the photo or the wikipedia) - must be very reliable!--[[User:Golden Wattle|Golden Wattle ]] <sup>[[User_talk:Golden Wattle|talk]]</sup> 10:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
::::The two ugly sisters have landed.  Get lost you two.  Go harass someone else.  Help.com has more going for it then what you have made here, so that doesnt give here much kudos, does it.  Go play at Voodoo.  They like dimwits there.  Find 'Black' and tell him I sent you.
:::::I've blocked you for 12 hours for continuing your personal attacks. Please don't come back until the 12 hours is up. [[User:Sarah_Ewart|Sarah Ewart]] ([[User talk:Sarah_Ewart|Talk]]) 10:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

==Mittagong bypass==
I have deleted the following due to lack of cited sources: The road was built on a consolidated scree slope with considerable subterranean water flows{{Talkfact}} and may have also been affected by poorly charted 19th century coal mining.{{Talkfact}}  As a result two new bridges had to be retrofitted to the road.{{Talkfact}}
:I put this info here in the first place and I have read the documents concerned, but you would need an FOI request to get them out of the RTA.--[[User:Grahamec|Grahamec]] 00:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
::Fair dinkum.  'We' were there for that job living at Welby. Doing a bridge ...

==Old Names For Localities==
Why doesnt someone include the old names for places.  Coolac now is not Coolac 1830.  Coolac 1830 is where Pettits is these days.  It was gazetted as Coolac in the 1860s though, (maps available of f online Surveyor Generals Maps and Plans).  It got moved too.  In 1830 it wasnt Pettits or Coolac though.  In the UK the authorites and historians know all the old names back for 1000s years.  They do regularly change.  Its odd.  The UK have new 4000 year old Stonehenge and know heaps of their national story.  We have 60,000 year arch including far better than the Henge,  and dont even know what happened in 1950.  A culture of coverup.  Where has Sylvia's Gap gone off the Hume Highway?  It was famous that place.  No one would know of it now.  Jugiong Hill substituted for a while.  Dont mind me, we had the old Mayne Nicks depot so used to do the trucks and other stuff for a while.  The mystery of Sylvia's Gap eh.  You need to add the good plus dreadful bits of the story to the macadam (sorry, concrete).

== Bypass developments October 2006 ==
[http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/road-execs-blasted-over-platypus-hold-up/2006/10/30/1162056904682.html Sydney Morning Herald of 30/10] - platypus colony at Albury + [http://www.abc.net.au/news/items/200610/1754085.htm?riverina ABC of 3 Oct] ref to archeological survey delays at Coolac (but work starts next year)--[[User:Golden Wattle|Golden Wattle ]] <sup>[[User_talk:Golden Wattle|talk]]</sup> 18:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
:I have removed that Construction has started since it hasn't due to the platypus colony, the on going archaeological survey and the tender hasn't been rewarded to a Construction Company yet. It's looking like that construction will start in December or early next year. -- [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] 11:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

==Should we nominate this article?==
Just browsing through this article, I think it is well structured enough and has a good amount of reliable refernces to nominate it for a Good Article. What do others think? I will nominate it within 7 days if no comments are posted. --[[User:Lakeyboy|Lakeyboy]] 08:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:There are too many errors in it Lakeyboy
::This article is sloppy -namely with this drivel: "Although (other than abovementioned three sections where town bypasses are proposed) the full length of the Hume Highway is dual carriageway", but as a Victorian it appears I have no authority to even stick up for my government in removing idle speculation from fact.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.161.71.12|119.161.71.12]] ([[User talk:119.161.71.12|talk]]) 04:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== most important and notable interstate highway? ==

I note that [[user:Lakeyboy]] has recently re-written the intro to claim that the Hume is "Australia's most important and notable interstate highway". I really don't think that this statement is appropriate but I haven't reverted it as yet. The Pacific Highway would easily be more infamous and hence notable. I also suspect that there would be people in many parts of the country who would disagree with the "most important" part.  The [[Sydney-Newcastle Freeway|F3]] has previously been described as the busiest rural freeway in Australia. I would suggest that this statement either needs to be reverted or a reference found to support it and it be re-written to use that reference, such as by stating that "xyz has described it as Australia's most important and notable interstate highway". --[[User:AtholM|Athol Mullen]] 13:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:Ok, maybe that's abit biased. I am from Melbourne so that is likely to occur in some of my edits. I will add to the sentence "one of" for now. --[[User:Lakeyboy|Lakeyboy]] 07:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
: It's still [[WP:OR]] and probably shouldn't be there. If a reliable source stated that expressly then it could be added. I'd say the Eyre actually meets the criteria far better than the Hume. [[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 07:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

==Is Most Notable==
The Hume is the most notable because if it hadnt been pushed through when it was in 1838, southern Australia would now be a joint Irish/French/American dominion.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/203.54.186.172|203.54.186.172]] ([[User talk:203.54.186.172|talk]]) 10:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Yes'd -the Hume Highway is overwhelmingly the most known and revered highway. It beats the central australian highways as it is steeped in history and surrounded by a dense population. ([[Special:Contributions/119.161.71.12|119.161.71.12]] ([[User talk:119.161.71.12|talk]])INFX)  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 06:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Enforcement of speed limits ==
I don't believe that the statement to the effect that ''"the speed limits'' ... ''are vigorously policed and unbendingly enforced"'' is verifiable, factual or able to be referenced, at least in NSW.  I have primary source information and personal experience that indicates that 124km/h (calibrated) will not result in a NSW police officer stopping a light vehicle or issuing an infringement in 110km/h zones when detected on lidar or radar (the main forms of enforcement between Sydney and Canberra).  Because that information is not secondary source, it cannot be used as a reference but it does indicate that finding a verifiable reference to support the statement presently in the article is unlikely to be possible. --[[User:AtholM|Athol Mullen]] 12:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:I have deleted it - is is just someone's opinion, and how is "vigorously policed and unbendingly enforced" different to any other road in Australia? [[User:Wongm|Wongm]] ([[User talk:Wongm|talk]]) 07:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
::I have personally been booked doing 120km/h in a 100km/h zone, on the Hume, in NSW. But, it's hardly verifiable..! --[[User:Commking|Commking]] ([[User talk:Commking|talk]]) 19:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Indeed, but 20km/h in excess of the limit is past the fairly well known but unreferenced 18km/h threshold used by many NSW HWP cops. I'm pretty sure that the RTA's official line on fixed speed cameras is that they start at 10%+4km/h over the posted limit. That may be on the RTA web site, but the actual police threshold is unofficial and unreferencable as far as I know --[[User:AtholM|Athol Mullen]] ([[User talk:AtholM|talk]]) 07:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

==Royal Parade==
I'm wondering if there is any proof the the 'old' Hume Highway began at the Royal Pde roundabout with Elizabeth St? Even before the Cragieburn Bypass, there were no signs showing the "Hume Highway" name along Royal Pde. --[[User:Sk-4|Sk-4]] ([[User talk:Sk-4|talk]]) 05:47, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:Checked a 1960 street directory and it was called Royal Parade then, with the next section known as Sydney Road, just as is the case today. [[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 09:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
::Indeed, I always understood the Hume Hwy began at Boundary Rd just south of the Fawkner Cemetry and the northern boundary of what was once the City of Coburg.&emsp;South of that point, Sydney Rd is a two-lane-each-way single carriageway road, on road parking etc.&emsp;North of that point, the Hume Hwy is a three-lane-each-way divided road with a very wide median strip.&emsp;Since the Hume Fwy to the Western Ring Rd opened, the highway style section of the Hume Hwy has been renamed (or at least resigned) to Sydney Rd, even in the sections that have not been bypassed.&emsp;However, national route 31 used to go all the way down Royal Pde and maybe further, and not all highways are signed as such&thinsp;;&emsp;see the bottom section of [[List of highways in Melbourne]] for some examples. —[[User:Cassowary|Felix the Cassowary]] 00:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Correct that it was not Hume Highway that far south - butt it was all part of state route 55. Check it out here: [[List_of_old_road_routes_in_Melbourne%2C_Victoria]] --[[User:Commking|Commking]] ([[User talk:Commking|talk]]) 07:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes, I agree the Hume Highway only ever began in Fawkner. Also, the National 31 route extended beyond the Elizabeth Street Round-a-bout along Peel Street and onto Dudley Street, then turned left onto Footscray Road to terminate at Montague Street and the West Gate Freeway in South Melbourne. This route became Metropolitan (blue shield) Route 31 when the National 31 shield changed to cease at said round-a-bout. ([[Special:Contributions/119.161.71.12|119.161.71.12]] ([[User talk:119.161.71.12|talk]]) 06:15, 1 August 2009 (UTC)INFX)

== Freeway Section Exits & Intersections ==
Sorry but I don't think it's needed [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hume_Highway#Freeway_Section_Exits_.26_Intersections] since a simple map can be just as good and and use a lot less space then the list. [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|talk]]) 07:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
:It is crufty for a highway of this length. A list of suburbs and towns it passes through and major roads it intersects with would be just as informative without the bulk. [[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 07:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
::I agree, We don't really need to know the minor small roads, service stations ect. [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|talk]]) 07:58, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I may be slightly biased (I seem to recall writing the relevant section), but I think [[South Western Highway|this one]] has about the right balance. [[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 09:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
::::The major intersections are now located at [[Hume Highway exits and interchanges]]. [[User:Rangasyd|Rangasyd]] ([[User talk:Rangasyd|talk]]) 11:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

== Collapse ==
Not really notable for the article ATM however could if the cause of it is notable but ATM no word on wht it happened just that it did. [http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/21/2309323.htm?site=riverina 12m pothole opens on highway] [http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/21/2309435.htm?site=riverina Collapsed section of Hume causes delays] -- [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|talk]]) 16:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== Misuse of the word Freeway ==
I just did a quick read through this article and seems that someone who has been editing it does not understand the definition of a [[freeway]].  In particular, freeways do not have at grade intersections.  By definition, the freeway in NSW ends where the "end freeway" signs say it ends, at the southern end of the Berrima bypass.  There are some freeway sections further down, but it certainly isn't "freeway" all the way to just north of Tarcutta.  Similarly, the article currently states that the road is freeway from the Melbourne freeway network to the Olympic Highway.  Then there are details of at-grade intersections that are yet to be eliminated.  Quite a lot of the highway is divided with at-grade intersections but is not freeway.  Would somebody like to go through and correct this?  It may take me a while to get around to it.  --[[User:AtholM|Athol Mullen]] ([[User talk:AtholM|talk]]) 12:09, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Are you saying that the 'Hume Freeway' in Victoria is not a 'freeway'? --[[Special:Contributions/122.107.178.246|122.107.178.246]] ([[User talk:122.107.178.246|talk]]) 07:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
::I think that he is saying that the Hume Freeway in Victoria is not a freeway by his own personal classification, or that of the RTA in NSW. Vic Roads is the government body that classifies roads in the State of Victoria. VicRoads classifies the road as Freeway and it is named as such. Despite AtholM's own ridiculous personal views; the road is a freeway. I still find the part of the article "although the road is classified as freeway in Victoria" condescending and incorrect. The road is an official freeway. At-grade intersection, too, can be found on freeways and, for example round-a-bouts between UK motorways; both of which are limited access roads -Some may even know of the State route 89 in Queensland (now National 39) which was designated as a Limited Access Road. It really seems like a case of sour grapes. The Hume Freeway in Victoria is overwhelmingly equipped with grade-separated junctions at any routes that are C-grade or higher. The at-grade intersections are often to service dead-end lanes for fire use or property access (although agricultural machinery is not permitted on the freeway). However, in NSW even the northbound access to head west on National Highway 20 is an at-grade intersection. That type of planning and construction would be unfathomable in Victoria; as would constructing low-grade concrete pavements. If you are in doubt as to the nature of Victoria's road classification system check out the Vicroads website. Or exit the freeway and as you re-enter on an adjoining ramp check the large black and white sign that stipulates the requirements of usage for the freeway. Remember, though, no animals are allowed on the freeway. And don't get lost! ([[Special:Contributions/119.161.71.12|119.161.71.12]] ([[User talk:119.161.71.12|talk]])INFX)  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 06:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::lol. i agree a freeway is a freeway!!!  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.148.181.88|124.148.181.88]] ([[User talk:124.148.181.88|talk]]) 06:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::RE: Victoria section. Claims that the Hume Highway extends into Melbourne city are untrue, when it never has run any further south than Boundary Road in Fawkner. Disputing the classification of the full freeway standard by the Victorian Government is also lamentable; as the road as a freeway in Victoria is the official and legitimate legal classification and that is a fact. And one final note is that even the former 31 alignment from the Craigieburn Bypass to Fawkner (still the southern most portion of the Hume Highway) is duplicated in entirety; making any portion of current Hume routes in Victoria dual carriageway. [[Special:Contributions/119.161.71.12|119.161.71.12]] ([[User talk:119.161.71.12|talk]]) 04:09, 14 March 2010 (UTC)RTB
:::::The Mornington Penninsula Freeway in Victoria consists of a 2-lane limited access road that has a roundabout at each end. There are many examples globally of freeways that do not conform to a notional standard. Simply search '2 lane freeway' or 'motorway' or 'freeway' itself to investigate before making absurd claims and publishing derogatory drivel as fact [[Special:Contributions/122.107.178.246|122.107.178.246]] ([[User talk:122.107.178.246|talk]]) 07:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC).  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.161.71.12|119.161.71.12]] ([[User talk:119.161.71.12|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Splitting into Hume Highway, New South Wales and Hume Freeway, Victoria ==
I thought I better check first here before making any changes! 
#Firstly, the History and Early Road Construction of the Hume Highway predominantely focuses on the New South Wales Southern Highlands region, e.g. Marulan, Mittagong, and has no relevant information in the Victorian section.
#Secondly, looking at past talk pages there seems to be such an ambiguity as to where the highway and freeway name appears. According to maps and road sources, such as VicRoads and RTA, it appears that the Hume Highway name is relevant to New South Wales, and the Hume Freeway to Victoria. Considering that all towns in Victoria have been bypassed and have been renamed the Hume Freeway as such, it seems unnecessary to clutter and confuse the information of the distinct naming differences within the two states. (Also the [[Old Hume Highway]] is included for superseded (or bypassed) sections of the highway from Sydney to Melbourne.)
#Lastly, splitting the Freeway Intersections & Exits, and Towns along the route into the two separate articles will reduce the space needed on the page and create easier viewing, as well as avoiding the name confusion. At the moment I have indicated on the FI&E the distinct location of the terminus of the Hume Highway and Hume Freeway (along with the alphanumeric/non-alphanumeric counterparts) at the state border of New South Wales and Victoria (or the Murray River).
Please provide your opinion below, and I will split the pages if the decision will be beneficial!  Cheers --[[User:Rom rulz424|Rom rulz424]] ([[User talk:Rom rulz424|talk]]) 02:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. The article is long, and a split would give more clarity. [[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:#3B9C9C;font-family:Felix Titling;">'''Diannaa'''</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Diannaa#top|<span style="color:#000000;font-family:Times New Roman;">TALK</span>]]</sup></small> 03:35, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::'''Oppose''' The history of the Hume could be split (needs more expansion [on the Victorian history]) and the removal (As it currently fails a under of MOS, guidelines and policies such as [[WP:ICONDECORATION]], [[WP:NOTGUIDE]] and [[WP:OR]]) or culling down [as well as making it collapsible table] of ''Freeway section exits and major intersections'' would help to remove the length. By splitting the article by state would add more confusion then there already is. [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|talk<!--DO NOT REMOVE-->]]) 04:00, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I have created a [[Hume Freeway, Victoria]] page for the moment, and will leave the existing Hume Highway page and see whether it is further convinced that the split could help. I do like your suggestion [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] of creating a collapse table for the ''freeway section exits and major intersections'', however even if that were to be done, there would always be this issue of what is the '''Freeway''' part of the Hume and the '''Highway''', which by looking at maps and what the official road authorities claim it to be called it would show that the name change occurs at the state border. --[[User:Rom rulz424|Rom rulz424]] ([[User talk:Rom rulz424|talk]]) 04:43, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
::::You should not create a main space article as it is a duplicate nor is there a consensus to create it (and it also add the to the confusion when someone does a search and gets two articles). You can however do and use [[User:Rom rulz424/Hume Freeway, Victoria]] and [[User:Rom rulz424/Hume Highway, New South Wales]] as part of the proposal. Also I think an image of the Highway/Freeway would be better then a table as it addresses the [[WP:NOTGUIDE]] as it is just a illustration (example is [[:File:Eastern-Freeway.png|this image]] of the Eastern Freeway), but also some roads need to be culled as they are not major. Also please do not change another editor's signature. [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|talk]]) 05:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I fully support the separation between a Sydney-centric Hume Highway and the prestige of the Hume Freeway in Victoria. [[Special:Contributions/119.161.71.12|119.161.71.12]] ([[User talk:119.161.71.12|talk]]) 04:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)BooYangs1987
::::::Yes - Support  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/203.214.70.31|203.214.70.31]] ([[User talk:203.214.70.31|talk]]) 08:56, 25 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::::::''Oppose''. Other highways like princes highway are not split even if they transect another state. [[User:Marcnut1996|Marcnut1996]] ([[User talk:Marcnut1996|talk]]) 12:48, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::::That is a 3 year old survey Marc, that said, it is still likely to be (mostly) split at some point, as the road changes name at the border, and in the Southern Highlands. -- [[User:Nbound|Nbound]] ([[User talk:Nbound|talk]]) 15:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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== Travel duration ==

The article mentions reduction in travel time (between Sydney and Melbourne). But for context, how many hours did this journey historically take? [[User:Cesiumfrog|Cesiumfrog]] ([[User talk:Cesiumfrog|talk]]) 04:59, 12 November 2020 (UTC)