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==May 31==
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==== RD/blurb: Mohamed Abdelaziz ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Mohamed Abdelaziz (Sahrawi politician)
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic|Sahrawi]] president '''[[Mohamed Abdelaziz (Sahrawi politician)|Mohamed Abdelaziz]]''' dies aged 68.
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3618436/W-Sahara-independence-group-says-chief-Abdelaziz-died.html Daily Mail]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = EternalNomad <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Incumbent president of [[Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic]] (claims [[Western Sahara]]), served for 40 years.
| sign          = [[User:EternalNomad|EternalNomad]] ([[User talk:EternalNomad|talk]]) 21:32, 31 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
'''Support''' I want to nominate him. Maybe just RD. --[[User:Jenda H.|Jenda H.]] ([[User talk:Jenda H.|talk]]) 21:41, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support for RD/weak support for blurb''' conditional on improvements. There is an orange tag for referencing issues and only a sentence and bullet point for his entire life between 2002 and his death. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Sahrawa? [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 02:12, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
**Please remember that during the current trial, importance and significance are not criteria for RD nominations all that is required is an article of sufficient quality. If this was not a comment on the importance or significance of the person you are going to need to be a lot more verbose about the reason for your objection. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:55, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
**If you'd like to educate yourself, please read [[Sahrawi people]].  Cheers.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Sitting head of state. - [[User:Presidentman|Presidentman]] [[User talk:Presidentman|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Presidentman|contribs]] ([[WP:TBACK|Talkback]]) 13:37, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Tentative Support''', Support post to RD but article first needs CN cleanup. [[User:Nakon|<span style="color:#C50;">'''Nakon'''</span>]] 05:38, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

==== [Closed] RD/blurb: Antonio Imbert Barrera ====
{{archive top|Stale RD. No consensus for blurb. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 01:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Antonio Imbert Barrera
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Former president of [[Dominican Republic]] [[Antonio Imbert Barrera]] dies aged 95.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = Former president of [[Dominican Republic]] [[Antonio Imbert Barrera]], who helped to overthrow dictator [[Rafael Trujillo]], dies aged 95.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/ex-dominican-president-who-helped-topple-dictator-dies-at-95/2016/05/31/bd637598-275d-11e6-8329-6104954928d2_story.html Washington Post]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = EternalNomad <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Former head of state, leader of one side of the [[Dominican Civil War]], and a key player in overthrowing dictator [[Rafael Trujillo]].
| sign          = [[User:EternalNomad|EternalNomad]] ([[User talk:EternalNomad|talk]]) 21:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support RD''' Would pass under pre-trial criteria, but some tweaks may be needed. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   10:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Not much more than a stub - the 49-year gap in his biography needs filling out. [[User:Challenger l|Challenger l]] ([[User talk:Challenger l|talk]]) 15:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support RD''' under trial conditions.  A barely above-stub article which needs fleshing out and more references for the uncited material already there. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:15, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
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====[Posted] RD: Carla Lane ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Carla Lane<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36421543 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The Rambling Man <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Gabs Blue Labs<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = The Rambling Man<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = Needs expansion.<!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Seminal British sitcom writer.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:45, 31 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' <s>subject to improvement. One section unreferenced, about half of another section also needs referencing</s> now that referencing issues have been addressed. There are some bare urls, but that isn't a concern for RD. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 19:51, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Yup, nappies allowing, I'll do my best to get this up to snuff tomorrow.  Any help is appreciated!  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:10, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' some updates now completed by an IP, {{U|Gabs Blue Labs}} and me.  Should have at least fixed up all the referencing.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Under the trial - referencing looks good, biography looks a little short, but passable. [[User:Challenger l|Challenger l]] ([[User talk:Challenger l|talk]]) 15:49, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
*Marked as ready. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 21:21, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 21:28, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] RD: David Tod Roy ====
{{archive top|1=No consensus at this time, article expired. [[User:Nakon|<span style="color:#C50;">'''Nakon'''</span>]] 05:31, 4 June 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = David Tod Roy<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp/world/2016/05/160530_david_tod_roy_jin_ping_mei_sinologist BBC Chinese], [http://www.chinanews.com/gj/2016/05-31/7888586.shtml China News Service], [http://world.people.com.cn/n1/2016/0601/c1002-28400126.html People's Daily]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = American sinologist. Made the first complete English translation of the erotic Chinese novel, ''[[Jin Ping Mei]]''. Brother of a former U.S. Ambassador.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 15:39, 2 June 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Weak support''' the bio is half-decent yet it seems strongly focused on the one piece of work, and doesn't really discuss much else in the life of this individual.  Few references but seemingly sufficient to cite what's there.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] RD: Tom Lysiak ====
{{archive top|1=No consensus to post. [[User:Nakon|<span style="color:#C50;">'''Nakon'''</span>]] 05:28, 4 June 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tom Lysiak
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = 
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/15849839/former-all-star-forward-tom-lysiak-dies-age-63 ESPN] [http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/31/tom-lysiak-3-time-nhl-all-star-dies-of-leukemia-at/ Washington Times] [http://www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/leukemia-claims-former-flames-great-tom-lysiak-at-63-053116 Fox Sports]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Andise1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Three time NHL all-star.
| sign          = [[User:Andise1|Andise1]] ([[User talk:Andise1|talk]]) 22:30, 31 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Oppose'''. Under-referenced and fully half of an already short article is an unsourced stat block.  [[User:Challenger l|Challenger l]] ([[User talk:Challenger l|talk]]) 01:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' needs more refs, per Challenger I.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:13, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] RD: Rick MacLeish ====
{{archive top|1=No consensus to post. [[User:Nakon|<span style="color:#C50;">'''Nakon'''</span>]] 05:27, 4 June 2016 (UTC) }}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Rick MacLeish
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2016/05/31/former-flyers-forward-rick-macleish-dies-at-66/85186382/ USA Today]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = Needs some more references
| nom cmt       = Would probably meet the RD criteria even without the trial
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:28, 31 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Weak oppose''' seems like the bio is weak and there are a couple of references missing.  Just out of interest, why would you think he'd pass the regular RD criteria?  I'm not seeing that at all in the article.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:38, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
**Headlines like [http://6abc.com/sports/one-of-flyers-all-time-greats-rick-macleish-dies-at-66/1363802/ "ONE OF FLYERS' ALL-TIME GREATS"] and [http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-flyers/flyers-legend-rick-macleish-dies-66 "FLYERS LEGEND"]. I admit I had never heard of him before this (my knowledge of ice hockey is only so-so), but he was a major part of the [[Broad Street Bullies]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:58, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] Chad's Hissene Habre jailed for crimes against humanity ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Hissène Habré
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Former [[Chad]] military ruler '''[[Hissène Habré]]''' is convicted of [[crimes against humanity]] and sentenced to life in prison by court in [[Senegal]].
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no
| altblurb      = Former President of [[Chad]] '''[[Hissène Habré]]''' becomes the first African former [[head of state]] to be convicted on the continent for [[crimes against humanity]].
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/chad-ruler-hissene-habre-convicted-rape-160530112700197.html (Al Jazeera)], [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36411466 (BBC)], [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/31/world/africa/hissene-habre-leader-chad-war-crimes.html (The New York Times)], [http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/30/africa/habre-africa-chad-war-crimes/ (CNN)] ect...
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Jenda H. <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = AHeneen
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = [[User:Jenda H.|Jenda H.]] ([[User talk:Jenda H.|talk]]) 19:46, 30 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Support & added Alt1''' - I added alt1 and think alt1 better explains the significance of this trial and conviction. <s>I will make adjustments to Habre's Wikipedia article within the next 30 minutes to better explain the significance of the conviction.</s> This is a landmark trial and conviction. Previously, African leaders charged with crimes against humanity have been charged in courts outside the continent, such as the [[International Criminal Court]] or in Belgium (explained in Habre's Wikipedia article).
:*From [http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/30/africa/habre-africa-chad-war-crimes/ CNN]: "The court in Senegal found Habre guilty of crimes against humanity, rape, forced slavery and kidnapping as well as ordering the killings of 40,000 people during his rule between 1982 and 1990...The decision makes Habre the first African former head of state to be convicted on the continent, according to Human Rights Watch. It is also the first time that a court of one country has prosecuted the former ruler of another over human rights crimes, the group said."
:*From the [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36411466 BBC]: "Chad's ex-ruler Hissene Habre has been convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to life in prison at a landmark trial in Senegal...It was the first time an African Union-backed court had tried a former ruler for human rights abuses."
:*From [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/30/hissene-habre-trial-provides-model-for-international-justice The Guardian]: "Not only is the trial of Habré the first time a country has prosecuted a former leader of another nation for rights abuses, it is also an important model of how hybrid courts can reconcile the often conflicting demands of international law and local sovereignty."
:[[User:AHeneen|AHeneen]] ([[User talk:AHeneen|talk]]) 21:26, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.  Seems a notable development for law in Africa. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support on significance''' (I haven't got time atm to evaluate the article). If the altblurb could be condensed slightly that would be better but I'm not opposing what is there currently. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 21:49, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - I'm not very familiar with African politics but the fact that he's the first ex-leader of a country to be convicted by another country for human rights violations (although presumably Ferdinand Marcos could have come close had he not died in 1989) seems pretty significant. That and African events rarely get the spotlight in world news makes me believe that, at least partly in the spirit of countering systemic bias, this should go up. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] <sup>[[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|t]][[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|c]][[WP:CSD|csd]][[Special:Newpages|new]]</sup> 22:38, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – Featured prominently on mainstream websites. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 01:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' currently nine [citation needed] tags littered across the article which should be resolved.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:58, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. And now down to just two CN tags. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 11:35, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support on improvements''' The conviction of a former world leader for crimes attributed to their time in office is ITN-worthy. Only thing I see in the article are 2 CNs, those the proseline in the trial section is a bit clumsy but far from a problem to post. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:06, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*Is there any chance he will not end up going to jail? [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 15:27, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::I suspect if he dies, he might not. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 19:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – notable developments and article seems ok.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 16:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''', Wikilink to [[Extraordinary African Chambers]] in blurb, please. [[User: Brightgalrs|<b style="color:#0645AD;">Brightgalrs</b>]] (<span style="color:#0645AD;">/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/</span>)[[User talk:Brightgalrs|<sup style="color:#0645AD;">[1]</sup>]] 18:09, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
**{{replyto|Brightglars}} could you suggest a blurb with that in please as I can't immediately come up with one that both includes that phrase and is concise. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 18:49, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
***It should be enough to have a piped link "...[[Extraordinary African Chambers|by court in Senegal.]]" or something. <span style="color:#0645AD;">[[User: Brightgalrs|<span style="color:#0645AD;">'''Brightgalrs'''</span>]] (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)<sup>[[User talk:Brightgalrs|<span style="color:#0645AD;">[1]</span>]]</sup></span> 20:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*All citation needed templates have been taken care of (content sourced and, in some cases, rewritten to match readily-accessible sources). [[User:AHeneen|AHeneen]] ([[User talk:AHeneen|talk]]) 19:37, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::Nice work. Maybe the lead needs a little more adding, so it's not just a one-liner. I'd add the stuff about this trial, but is that [[WP:UNDUE]]? '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 19:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' nice work indeed.  '''The lead is too short''' but that's just an amber warning and I won't tag it as Lugnuts has indicated that he can add one or two sentences to make it more appropriate.  Good work by the updaters.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:48, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Could someone update the picture? [[Special:Contributions/86.187.171.116|86.187.171.116]] ([[User talk:86.187.171.116|talk]]) 21:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:With what?  The sketch of his face, or the image of him in 1979?  Neither are appropriate.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:07, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::Should anyone bother looking for a better fair use image? I suppose having no good picture never stops an item getting onto the main page. Just seems a bit odd. [[Special:Contributions/86.187.171.116|86.187.171.116]] ([[User talk:86.187.171.116|talk]]) 21:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Can't see how we can use a fair use image, Habre is still alive so it is perfectly possible that someone can take his picture and release it under an appropriate licence for Wikipedia.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Should anyone bother looking for a better image? Perhaps people would rather see a central defender man of the match than someone jailed for crimes against humanity. [[Special:Contributions/86.187.171.116|86.187.171.116]] ([[User talk:86.187.171.116|talk]]) 21:30, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you (or anyone else) has the time and think the article and/or ITN listing would benefit from another/a better image then then go ahead and look. The ITN image is generally the most recent blurb for which we have an appropriate image, regardless of the subject. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:14, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Philippine presidential election, 2016 ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Philippine presidential election, 2016<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = File:Rodrigo Duterte (2009).jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Rodrigo Duterte]] ''(pictured)'' '''[[Philippine presidential election, 2016|is elected]]''' [[President of the Philippines]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[Rodrigo Duterte]] ''(pictured)'' is proclaimed [[President of the Philippines]] after winning the '''[[Philippine presidential election, 2016|presidential election]]'''
| altblurb2     = In the [[Philippine presidential election, 2016|Philippine presidential election]], [[Rodrigo Duterte]] ''(pictured)'' of [[PDP–Laban]] is '''[[Congressional canvass for the Philippine presidential election, 2016|proclaimed]]''' as [[President of the Philippines|president]].
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36244456 BBC News], [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippines-presidential-election-candidate-rodrigo-duterte-donald-trump-style/ CBS News], [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/09/philippines-election-2016-polls-open-amid-death-threats-from-presidential-hopeful The Guardian] [http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2016/05/30/congress-proclamation-president-rodrigo-duterte-vice-president-leni-robredo.html CNN Philippines]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Narutolovehinata5 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Had been nominated earlier this month, but the consensus was to wait for the official proclamation. Well he and his new vice president have been proclaimed now (by the way, should Leni Robredo also be included in the blurb?).
<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] <sup>[[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|t]][[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|c]][[WP:CSD|csd]][[Special:Newpages|new]]</sup> 09:28, 30 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*There is one citation needed tag (in the "electoral system" section) but other than that it looks like it's good to go. I've added an altblurb that mentions this is a proclamation as well as an election, but I'm not overly fussed if others think we don't need to mention that. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:50, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I don't think a single CN tag and some odd phrasing here and there, in an article of this size and otherwise good quality, should prevent posting to ITN.  The decision to delay posting this, for arcane and inconsequential procedural issues, was a dumb decision.  By the same token that delayed posting this, we shouldn't post US election results until January 6.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.53.18|128.214.53.18]] ([[User talk:128.214.53.18|talk]]) 07:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' it's actually that whole section that's unreferenced, not just a single {{tl|cn}} so I've tagged it as such.  Once that's resolved I think we can post.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:03, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{ping|The Rambling Man}} I'm pretty sure the electoral system of the Philippines is already discussed at [[Politics of the Philippines]] and [[President of the Philippines]], so any sources there could easily just be transfered to the election article. In fact, you could actually cite the Philippine constitution as the procedures for electing/proclaiming the President are there. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] <sup>[[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|t]][[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|c]][[WP:CSD|csd]][[Special:Newpages|new]]</sup> 09:34, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:::That's fine, but a whole section without a single inline reference just doesn't cut it for me in any circumstances.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' alt blurb II, with [[Congressional canvass for the Philippine presidential election, 2016]] as the boldfaced article. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">H</span>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">T</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">D</span>]]''' 11:31, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Marked''' as ready. The original article no longer has tags and is on ITN/R. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 15:58, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Alastair Cook reaches 10,000 runs in record time ====
{{archive top|1=No consensus to post. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:11, 31 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{anchor|Alistair Cook reaches 10,000 runs in record time}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Alastair Cook
| article2      = 
| image         =
| blurb         = [[Alastair Cook]] becomes the youngest person to reach 10,000 runs in [[test Cricket]]
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no
| altblurb      = Against [[Sri Lanka]], [[Alastair Cook]] becomes the youngest person to reach 10,000 runs
| altblurb2     = [[Alastair Cook]] becomes the youngest person and first Englishman to reach 10,000 runs in [[Test Cricket]]
| altblurb3     = 
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/30/alastair-cook-first-english-cricketer-10000-test-runs], [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36321836]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Torqueing <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| ITNR          = no 
| nom cmt       = 10,000 runs is an achievement and being the fastest and first Englishman is also and achievement.
| sign          = [[User:Torqueing|Torqueing]] ([[User talk:Torqueing|talk]]) 14:41, 30 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

* '''Comment''' I have concerns on this as ITN, but regardless of those, the blurbs seem wrong/misleading. Quoting the Guardian article "At 31 years and 157 days, Cook has displaced Tendulkar as the youngest player to reach five-figures in Tests." "Fastest" is not really the right measure, though I see where it's coming from. Perhaps "Alastair Cook becomes the youngest player and first Englishman to reach 10,000 runs in test cricket." (I still have concerns on the ITN-worthiness of this record, given 11 ppl have done this before) --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:52, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:FWIW, youngest is correct (and Test has a capital T). '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 15:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:: Fixed
*'''Oppose''' - Cricket or not, we generally don't post individual sports records <small>(unless it's Lionel Messi)</small>--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 16:36, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' We didn't post Peyton Manning setting the NFL touchdown record, why should we post this? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I agree with the previous, it's a good record, but nothing earth-shattering and probably more of a DYK than an ITN item.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:33, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per all the above. If he'd set an all-time record, yes, but "youngest person to reach an arbitrary number" is of minimal interest to most readers, even those with an interest in cricket.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 20:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per the above, although some fans of cricket might dispute the "minimal" interest it's not someone beating Brian Lara's [[501 not out]] (which I might support). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 21:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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==May 29==
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==== [Closed] Indianapolis 500 and Monaco Grand Prix ====
{{archive top|1=No consensus reached for posting, event expired. [[User:Nakon|<span style="color:#C50;">'''Nakon'''</span>]] 05:07, 4 June 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 Indianapolis 500<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = 2016 Monaco Grand Prix
| image         = File:AlexanderRossiGoodwood2013.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In [[motorsport]], [[Alexander Rossi (racing driver)|Alexander Rossi]] ''(pictured)'' wins '''[[2016 Indianapolis 500|the 100th edition]]''' of the [[Indianapolis 500]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = In [[motorsport]], [[Alexander Rossi (racing driver)|Alexander Rossi]] ''(pictured)'' wins '''[[2016 Indianapolis 500|the 100th edition]]''' of the [[Indianapolis 500]], while [[Lewis Hamilton]] wins the '''[[2016 Monaco Grand Prix|Monaco Grand Prix]]'''.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/36410469 BBC Sport], [http://espn.go.com/racing/indycar/story/_/id/15814040/alexander-rossi-wins-100th-running-indianapolis-500 ESPN], [http://sports.usatoday.com/2016/05/29/indy-500-alexander-rossi-wins-100th-running/ USA Today]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = The 100th running of a [[Triple Crown of Motorsport|motorsport triple crown]] race. F1 fans might recognise this year's winner. Needs a race summary.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 15:23, 29 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' pending updates to the article. The Indianapolis 500 is one of the most significant motorsport races of the year (if not the most significant), and this is the 100th running. – '''[[User:Nascar1996|<font color="black">Nascar1996</font>]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Nascar1996|<font color="darkblue">talk</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nascar1996|<font color="darkblue">cont</font>]])</sup> 04:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' even without a race summary, a lot of the existing prose is completely unreferenced.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 05:45, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' only if merged with the [[2016 Monaco Grand Prix|Monaco Grand Prix]], otherwise '''oppose'''. In the recent years, we've developed a practice to post them combined.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 07:03, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*:The Monaco article also completely lacks a race summary.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::Obviously, I would be fine with posting the Monaco Grand Prix once I updated it later today. However, I still do not quite understand why the Monaco race is ITNR... I would not oppose to posting the Indy 500 independently. Needs a lot of work though... [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 07:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Monaco GP is not ITNR (it was removed late last year), realistically it's just a single race in a season of many races, just like this race, however for some reason Indy 500 '''is''' ITNR.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:09, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Well, Indy '''does''' hold a more significant place in the IndyCar series than Monaco in the F1 season, I'd say... Just considering that Indy was the main part of the split from CART back in the days. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 07:32, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Monaco is certainly the most prestigious F1 race in terms of atmosphere and is arguably the most iconic - it does have a lot of history but the British Grand Prix probably has a better claim to the title of the most historic. However it is first among equals at best - it is the same teams, cars and drivers as any other race of the season and the winners get the same number of points. I don't know about prize money though. I'm not opposed to a combined blurb but I haven't evaluated either article. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Monaco (together with Indy and Le Mans) are considered part of the [[Triple Crown of Motorsport]] though, so there's that. I don't want to invoke [[WP:OSE]] here but winners of the Triple Crown in horse racing is usually posted here, and the Monaco GP was part of ITNR until recently. Perhaps, as suggested above, a combined blurb is an acceptable compromise? [[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] <sup>[[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|t]][[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|c]][[WP:CSD|csd]][[Special:Newpages|new]]</sup> 09:46, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Hmm, not quite the right comparison, since no driver at the moment can win the Triple Crown in one year, if we take the Monaco GP and not the F1 World Championship as part of it... This blurb does not cover someone winning the Triple Crown, but someone winning parts of it. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 10:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Both [[Stanley Cup Finals]] and [[Ice Hockey World Championships|IIHF World Championships]] are components of [[Triple Gold Club]] (and also ITNR), but players cannot win both in same year because of schedule conflict. --[[Special:Contributions/61.245.25.3|61.245.25.3]] ([[User talk:61.245.25.3|talk]]) 13:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' The blurb should be "100th running", not "edition". Best I can tell, the latter is not used to describe the race, but "running" was used everywhere I saw this. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Alt-blurb added''' I added an altblurb with a proposed merged blurb for Indy and Monaco, as was suggested. The Monaco article now has a full qualifying and race report. The Indy article also seems to be coming along now, so maybe this will even happen. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 17:12, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' both seem to have been updated. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 21:51, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Indy 500 still tagged. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 05:22, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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==May 28==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2016 May 28]]}}
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==== [Closed] 58th Ariel Awards ====
{{archive top|1=No consensus to post, event expired. [[User:Nakon|<span style="color:#C50;">'''Nakon'''</span>]] 05:06, 4 June 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 58th Ariel Awards<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In Mexico, the film '''''[[The Chosen Ones (2015 film)|Las Elegidas]]''''' won [[Ariel Award for Best Picture|Best Picture]] and [[Ariel Award for Best Director|Best Director]] at the [[58th Ariel Awards]]
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.milenio.com/hey/cine/ganadores-premios-ariel-2016_0_745725608.html Milenio]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Jaespinoza
| updater       = Jaespinoza
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = The Ariel Awards are the Mexican equivalente to the Oscars, they are the most important film award in Mexico and the winning film this year also competed at the Cannes Film Festival.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Jaespinoza|Javier Espinoza]] ([[User talk:Jaespinoza|talk]]) 04:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' "Stub" is giving too much credit; [[The Chosen Ones (2015 film)|the target article]] consists of three sentences and a table. This can't possibly go on the main page in this condition.&nbsp;‑&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 09:43, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' mostly unreferenced as well.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:53, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' it's a stub. Also, surely the English name should be in the link per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]? [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 16:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] RD: Bryce Dejean-Jones ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bryce Dejean-Jones<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nba-dejean-idUSKCN0YJ0PH Reuters], [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/28/bryce-dejean-jones-new-orleans-pelicans-dies-23 The Guardian], [http://www.wsj.com/articles/pelicans-guard-bryce-dejean-jones-fatally-shot-in-dallas-1464472650 Wall Street Journal]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = American NBA basketball player. Shot dead at 23.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 02:04, 29 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' article in decent nick, good to go per trial.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 05:57, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' Definitely a tragic event but the person doesn't seem to meet any notability criteria in his field and the circumstances under which he died don't change to much to it. If it were James, Curry, Durant or Westbrook, I'd be happy to reconsider my vote. Besides that, how can this be ready with only one supporting vote?--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 09:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::We don't judge importance on RD nominations per the current trial on allowing any subject who merits an article to be posted to RD upon adequate quality.  If you are saying this person doesn't merit an article, then it should be nominated for AFD- but as I understand it most professional players do merit a page. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:18, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::{{ping|331dot}} No, I say that this person's notability is very far from enough for inclusion; nobody here contests on whether he merits an article or not. If any player in a sport league meets the notability criteria for you, then it doesn't and will never do for me.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 10:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Kiril Simeonovski}} Please review [[WP:NHOOPS]] which states that playing in one professional game merits a player an article. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:12, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{replyto|331dot}} By "notability criteria in his field" I mean notability for RD (of course he meets the notability criteria to merit an article). Sorry if it wasn't entirely comprehensive.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 10:18, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::The only notability criteria for RD is having an article. I know you don't like that, but it doesn't change the facts. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 11:31, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. No quality issues that I can see, the article is updated and the story is in the news. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:34, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Article is sufficiently updated. Opposes based on notability are not relevant.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 15:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Death of an active NBA player is unusual, story is in the news, article decent. [[User:Jusdafax|<span style="color:green;">Jus</span>]][[User talk:Jusdafax|<span style="color:#C1118C;">da</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jusdafax|<span style="color:#0000FF;">fax</span>]]  18:21, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' so sue me. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:34, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Attention needed''': The section dealing with the circumstances of his death has undergone something close to an edit war and is now, in my opinion, rather out of balance in terms of [[WP:NPOV]] and also in terms of accuracy in citing sources.  There were two versions of the section, one by [[User:Jim Michael]] and the current one, by [[User:Pmaster12]]. Both were out of balance, in the opposite directions. In any case the article needs urgent attention, in my opinion. If the dispute is not resolved quickly, it may need to be pulled. [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 02:31, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
**I've commented on the talk page. The version as current (by Jim Michael) seems OK to me (after I corrected the grammar) but it is definitely worth keeping an eye on. If it degenerates to the point a pull is needed then posting at [[WP:ERRORS]] is likely to get the quickest response. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 11:13, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
**Indeed, I looked at the content dispute which is a bit of a stormy teacup between two erect stallions, it's not serious enough right now to cause concerns for ITN, and as Thryduulf suggests, ERRORS is the place in any case.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:33, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] UEFA Champions League ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 UEFA Champions League Final<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In [[association football]], [[Real Madrid C.F.|Real Madrid]] defeat [[Atlético Madrid]] in '''[[2016 UEFA Champions League Final|the final]]''' to win the [[2015–16 UEFA Champions League|UEFA Champions League]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/35947318 BBC Sport], [http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/28/football/champions-league-final-2016-live-blog/ CNN], [http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/05/28/champions-league-final-real-madrid-atletico-goals-highlights-video Sports Illustrated]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       =yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = FlickrWarrior<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Needs match summary once match ends.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 20:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''support''' - when updated.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 20:57, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' as ITNR with a decent update.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 27==
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==== [Posted] RD: Kai G. Henriksen ====
{{archive top|Posted. Let's leave discussion of the trial to the talk page, please. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:36, 30 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kai G. Henriksen<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.aftenposten.no/okonomi/Sjefen-for-Vinmonopolet-er-dod-198246b.html Aftenposten], [http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/2016/05/27/1635/Norge/vinmonopolets-sjef-dde-fredag Dagens Næringsliv],  [http://www.nettavisen.no/na24/vinmonopolets-sjef-er-dd/3423228608.html Nettavisen]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Head of the Norwegian state alcohol retailer, [[Vinmonopolet]].<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 02:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' article is brief but well referenced, albeit mainly in Norwegian so assuming good faith on those.  Good to go per the trial.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:03, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The fact we cannot find proper sources in English says much about the notability of this person. He was nothing more than a CEO of a commercial bank (symbolically the oldest in the country) and a government-owned monopoly company at the time of his death that, I bet, most outside of Norway have never heard about.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 09:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Leaving aside the trial(see above); ''"Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. "''. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:27, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Also see [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources]] which clearly states that sources in English are not a requirement for notability. If you do wish to dispute the notability of this person for an article then this is not the correct venue. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:40, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*::{{ping|331dot}} I didn't oppose this on the grounds of an event related to a single but simply because this person doesn't meet any criteria of notability. Can you tell me how this person changed the world? What is the value that the companies he managed created to the society? How he is celebrated, at least, in his country?
*::{{ping|Thryduulf}} You' re right, they're certainly not a requirement but a very strong basis to judge someone's notability. It makes me a bit pain to dig deeply on Google without finding a single article documenting his death published in the English-language media.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 10:04, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::If you believe the article should be deleted, please take it to AFD, otherwise the current RD trial applies, and the article is of adequate quality for posting, so although your current opposition is noted it is effectively meaningless.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:06, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*::::{{replyto|Kiril Simeonovski}}  Please review [[Wikipedia:In the news#Recent deaths section|this information]] about the current RD criteria where we no longer judge importance; persons are presumed notable if they merit an article. If you are saying this person does not merit an article, then please propose it for deletion. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:07, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::::{{replyto|331dot}} Oh, I wasn't aware about the experiment. But does it really prevent me to oppose it here since it's just a trial with unknown outcome? Anyway, I'll go to the discussion page to oppose it. Thanks for letting me know.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 10:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per TRM. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:40, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Not seeing sufficient notability for ITN here. Death was not unusual, and "top of his field" is a stretch. I am also not seeing consensus for the ready tag. [[User:Jusdafax|<span style="color:green;">Jus</span>]][[User talk:Jusdafax|<span style="color:#C1118C;">da</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jusdafax|<span style="color:#0000FF;">fax</span>]]  18:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Please see talk page regarding current trial.  "sufficient notability" is now justified by the existence of an article, we are simply concerned with the quality of said article.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, I'll ignore all rules and simply say I find the notion that anyone with an updated Wikipedia article who dies therefore to qualify for ITN RD is an absurd idea. I also disagree that my oppose and others like it is meaningless. [[User:Jusdafax|<span style="color:green;">Jus</span>]][[User talk:Jusdafax|<span style="color:#C1118C;">da</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jusdafax|<span style="color:#0000FF;">fax</span>]]  18:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Noted.  You are not alone, although since we have had precisely zero complaints and zero issues implementing it, and as a result of the trial we have had a dozen or so more improved articles and have stuck one in the face of systemic bias, you may be one of the IDONTLIKEIT brigade.  Thanks for your contribution.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:02, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::I complained on your talk page early on. This trial is a failure and people are getting tired of it. We should go back to the previous method. <span style="font-family:Cambria;">[[User:Abductive|<span style="color:teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 05:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::People?  Who?  You're another baseless IDONTLIKEIT campaigner.  There's precisely no logic in your position.  You want to go back to arguing the toss for four days over notability while I want to acknowledge that notability has already been established by the existence of an article on Wikipedia.  You like to waste time and get RDs to go stale and out of the news before they're posted while I like to get them on the main page as soon as practicable with high quality.  You are advocating a method which has failed to deliver for years.  That's failure.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 05:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted.''' '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 02:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] Barack Obama visits Hiroshima ====
{{archive top|obvious strong consensus against posting. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 21:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Barack Obama
| article2      = Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
| blurb         = [[Barack Obama]] becomes first incumbent U.S. president to visit city of [[Hiroshima]], where U.S. [[Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki|dropped atomic bomb on August 6, 1945]].
| sources       = [http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/27/politics/obama-hiroshima-japan/ CNN], [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36394975 BBC], [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-obama-hiroshima-idUSKCN0YH2PQ Reuters]
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/61.245.25.3|61.245.25.3]] ([[User talk:61.245.25.3|talk]]) 12:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
}}
*I would like to support this on notability as it is a truly unique historic event--Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain the only use of nuclear weapons as an attack and thus Obama is obviously the only leader of a nation to have used them to visit the actual site in the country they were used against.  Certainly of large significance in Japan, the US, and broader significance beyond.  That said none of the linked articles refer to the visit at all.  I can't support it at this point.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 13:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::With the amount of press coverage, I imagine that a separate article could be created about the visit. [[User:Shoy|shoy]] <small>([[User talk:Shoy|reactions]])</small> 13:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Something gives me the strong impression that he's using this visit to pad his legacy more than for any actual historical and political importance.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 13:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Legacy reflects historical importance.  Wikipedia articles have a 'legacy' section to discuss a subject's historic importance.--[[User:Johnsemlak|Johnsemlak]] ([[User talk:Johnsemlak|talk]]) 13:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Regardless of the intent of the visit, this isn't anything groundbreaking in politics (compared to Obama visiting Cuba as a sign of the end of the Cuba Thaw). --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' per Masem; very little of significance is expected to come out of this visit; it was made clear beforehand he was not going to apologize for the bombing; no new policies, agreements or treaties are being announced. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Weak oppose''' per [[User:Masem|Masem]], [[User:331dot|331dot]]. Had he voiced some sort of apology, that would have been significant, but it wasn't in the cards. <small>(After all, it was a decision made by [[Harry S. Truman|Truman]] years before Obama was born.)</small> His was a sympathetic gesture, that's all. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' a mere PR gesture.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:17, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Resolutely oppose''' Echoing all WaltCip, Masem, and 331dot's comments in full, as merely a legacy-cementing measure by a warmonger; in addition, his remarks of ridding the world of nuclear weapons fly in the face of his tacit approval of a 1 trillion USD upgrade to said arsenal. <font color="8B0000">Caradhras</font>Aiguo ([[User talk:CaradhrasAiguo|talk]]) 20:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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==May 26==
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==== RD: Arturo Pomar ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Arturo Pomar
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2016/05/26/actualidad/1464290537_675087.html El Pais]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator     = Brandmeister <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = First Spanish chess GM and seven-time champion of Spain, according to the article. Size-wise looks good.
| sign          = [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   21:57, 27 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Weak oppose''' the bio section is seriously under-referenced.  05:06, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Hedy Epstein ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Hedy Epstein
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/hedy-epstein-holocaust-survivor-and-longtime-peace-activist-dies-at/article_989cb14b-73ca-5845-90c2-08415e39116a.html STLToday], [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hedy-epstein-dies_us_57474798e4b03ede44143e01 Huff Po]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = The 2004 "controversy" section does look a bit [[WP:UNDUE]]
| nom cmt       = Holocaust survivor, peace activist article is almost 8,000 characters (1,240 words) and well sourced with the exception of two cn tags. 
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' being a Holocaust survivor is not a "field" and her role as an activist is far outshadowed by others.  There is no evidence of awards or major influence on others. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 21:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
**Hi, remember we're still doing the trial of promoting anyone who died to ITN/RD as long as their article is up to snuff. No more subjective "importance" criteria, at least for now. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There's some really weird use of quotes in this article. They're all cited, but thre's a lot of things that could be simple paragraph, leaving the quotes to things that are difficult to paraphrase or subjective. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 03:46, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' mainly per Medeis. If she were the last Holocaust survivor, it would perhaps put some weight to consider this for posting. But with no indication about any important event and achievement with major implications in her life, this is far from being sufficient for inclusion.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 09:26, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
**Once again, importance is not presently a criteria for posting to RD - the only requirements are for the person to have an article, that article to be of sufficient quality for the main page and their death be in the news. See [[Wikipedia talk:In the news#Proposal to simplify ITN/DC]] for details. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
**:{{ping|Thryduulf}} I've got it and already opposed it on the discussion page. But why not just oppose it here, where it's more visible?--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 11:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
**::Because it's pointless.  An oppose over personal approval of notability will be summarily ignored during the trial. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:07, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Not ready yet''' there are a couple of statements explicitly marked as requiring a citation (and they clearly do need them) but when they're sorted it should be good to go. I note the quoting issue described by Masem but I don't see that as a barrier personally. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*<s>'''Cannot post in current form'''.  I was going to address the {{tl|cn}} tags and post this, but in trying to source the last one, I discovered that almost all of the "biography" section is a word-for-word copyvio of [http://njjewishnews.com/article/3334/survivor-zionists-turn-holocaust-into-religion#.V0x-K74jMSl this article], and have had to remove it.  I don't have time to rewrite from scratch, and as a result almost all of the article is now about one speaking controversy.  This needs to stay off the main page until the copyvio issue is convincingly addressed (there might be more copyvios, I don't have time to look further); whoever added that has possibly doomed the article to never making it to the main page until it is too stale to add. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 18:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)</s>
**{{replyto|Floquenbeam}} Having looked, I think you may have been mistaken and it is a commenter on that NJ Jewish News article who has copied Wikipedia. The article dates from 2011 but the biography section was introduced into Wikipedia in 2008 (see article talk for more detail). I haven't resorted it as I want other people to verify my thoughts first. You were correct to remove the potential copyvio based on your suspicions though. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
**{{ping|Floquenbeam|Thryduulf}} I think Thryduulf is correct. Not only the content but the formatting of the comment in that off-wiki article appear to come from our content rather than vice versa. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 22:27, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
***if so please revert me don't wait for my input. On a phone can't really check anything. Trust judgement of both of you. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 00:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
****I've looked, you're both right, mea culpa. I've restore the text.  There's one {{tl|cn}} tag left that (because I'm spending all my time lately fixing my own screw-ups) I can't deal with.  I agree with the nom that the controversy section is a little too long, but IMHO it's not enough to prevent posting to RD when the {{tl|cn}} tag is dealt with. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 11:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
*****I've addressed the last {{tl|cn}} tag, and (at the risk of violating INVOLVED somehow) gone ahead and posted this to RD. Consensus above seems to be that these tags were the primary barrier to posting. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 18:21, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Trump clinches ====
{{archive top|No chance of this being posted. Even the nomination conventions are unlikely to be posted at ITN. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 19:03, 26 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Many possible articles
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36392084 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = 205.197.242.170 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Trump clinches the nomination.
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/205.197.242.170|205.197.242.170]] ([[User talk:205.197.242.170|talk]]) 18:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
:'''Oppose''' Apart from this nomination being a lazy effort, this is only a press estimation. And even ''IF'' he had all the delegates, his nomination is not sure until he is elected at the convention. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 18:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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==May 25==
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==== Nadiya Savchenko ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Nadiya Savchenko
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Nadiya Savchenko.jpg
| blurb         = [[Ukraine|Ukrainian]] pilot and politician '''[[Nadiya Savchenko]]''' (''pictured''), who was detained by [[Russia]] in 2014, is released following a prisoner swap.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ukraine-crisis-savchenko-airplane-idUKKCN0YG14U (Reuters)], [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/world/europe/ukraine-russia-prisoner-swap.html?_r=0 (New York Times)]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Bruzaholm <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Notable part of the Ukraine-Russian conflict. Fairly high profile prisoner swap. Savchenko is an elected member of the Ukrainian parliament. Dramatic u-turn after long prison sentence.
| sign          = [[User:Bruzaholm|Bruzaholm]] ([[User talk:Bruzaholm|talk]]) 12:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

* '''Oppose''' – Interesting episode, but just a footnote to the Ukraine story. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - for a few reasons. First it's big national news, and it has garnered international interest as well. Second, four of the current five blurbs deal with prime ministers and presidents. I think it's preferable to feature different kinds of news as much as possible. Finally, the oldest blurb right now is over a week old. As with point 2, I think it's preferable to post something more recent. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 14:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Sca.  We should not be modifying our notability threshold per Banedon, that's just stupid.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 16:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
**'''Comment''': Well, what 'Ramling Man' refer to as a "notability threshold" is sending ITN into total irrelevance. Right now 4 out of 5 entries are dedicated to presidents and prime ministers (two from the same country) and a constitutional referendum on presidential term limits (an article which is short as a stump). Maybe ITN should be renamed "Recently elected leaders" instead? -- [[User:Bruzaholm|Bruzaholm]] ([[User talk:Bruzaholm|talk]]) 17:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
***No, 'Bruzaholm' you miss the point entirely.  What I'm saying is that this story to me is not particularly newsworthy, and we should not lower our threshold just because we happen to have a certain number of a certain type of story on ITN right now.  Mind you, some people would prefer an entirely empty ITN section because their threshold for inclusion is so high, yet sometimes they arbitrarily lower their threshold because they don't fancy the current make-up of the ITN section.  Odd.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 17:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
**** With respect that the suggested item doesn't fit 'Rambling Man's' subjective opinion of newsworthiness, my point is that the rules favor ITNR-topics such as natural disasters, elected and reelected political leaders, as well as various popular referendums. The Tadjik referendum is a great example of a topic that gains automatic elevation on those merits, although the article is very short and not very informative. No problem, but ITN should indeed have a name which better reflects the situation. However, my nomination was based on the item's own merits, not the fact that ITN happened to lack general newsworthiness for the time being.  --[[User:Bruzaholm|Bruzaholm]] ([[User talk:Bruzaholm|talk]]) 17:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::One person being repatriated to Ukraine in exchange for two people being repatriated to Russia is pretty small potatoes in a war that has taken thousands of lives and displaced hundreds of thousands. Ms. Savchenko may be hero (or heroine, if you prefer) to a number of Ukrainians, but she's not widely known outside the country. The exchange doesn't appear to signify a fundamental change in the overall situation. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 17:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::If you'd like to see ITNR removed or adjusted, feel free to make a proposal.  It makes no difference at all to my opinion that this particular story is of little relevance and minor newsworthiness.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:05, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Perhaps Ms. Savchenko is not well known outside the country, but that applies to most people that make the news. If you cover up the current ITN, can you name the President of Tajikstan? I do not think it's fair to say the exchange is "just" one person being repatriated in exchange for two as well. If you look at the article, Savchenko's conduct while on trial in Russia has led to all sorts of things, she e.g. got elected into parliament while being held in Russia. She is a very high profile case. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Apples and oranges. Ms. Savchenko is not a head of state. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 01:48, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Notable story that has received plenty of attention and has plenty of great sourcing. [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 20:33, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' any blurb mentioning Nadiya Savchenko but otherwise the swap seems not sufficiently notable. Prisoner swaps have been posted on the main page, with the last one I remember between [[Illegals Program|Russia and the United States]], but with a different and more neutral blurb without mentioning specific names (though the media then centred their attention on Anna Chapman). Anyway, the swap itself is not a very big deal.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 09:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 24==
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====[Posted] RD: Yang Jiang====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Yang Jiang<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nation/We-Three-author-dies-in-Beijing-aged-104/shdaily.shtml Shanghai Daily], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/renowned-chinese-writer-yang-jiang-dies-at-age-104/2016/05/25/ee527d66-2244-11e6-b944-52f7b1793dae_story.html Washington Post], [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-05/25/c_135388072.htm Xinhua]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Colipon <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Giant in Chinese literature, widow of [[Qian Zhongshu]] but widely known in her own right. English article is not great, but only because of [[WP:SYSTEMIC|systemic bias]].<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Colipon|Colipon]]+<small>([[User talk:Colipon|Talk]])</small> 17:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> systemic bias or not, there appears to be a 78-year gap in the biography.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:40, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Striking oppose, article is in nice shape now.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 17:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Systemic bias goes away when articles about non-Anglophone topics are improved to the same quality expected of Anglophone topics, not when we ignore major problems in articles.  As noted by TRM, this article doesn't have the level of comprehensiveness we'd expect from a main-page worthy article.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 00:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support <s>on improvements</s>''' clearly meets significance requirements. Naturally, systemic bias means that the average editor pays less attention to such topics. [[User talk:SSTflyer|SST<span style="color:DarkSlateGray">flyer</span>]] 14:55, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
**Quality is now sufficient. Let's face it, it is difficult to source content when the subject lived through the [[Cultural Revolution]]. Good opportunity to feature non-Anglophone female topics. [[User talk:SSTflyer|SST<span style="color:DarkSlateGray">flyer</span>]] 09:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Not ready''' until fully cited. It has been expanded since TRM and Jayron noted the gap equal to the average lifespan of someone in a first world country. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Even if a 40-year-old had died and there was a 20-year gap in their biography I would oppose.  I'm not sure what your point is.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 16:52, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
*::My point was that I agreed with you, and that the article is better now than it was when it was first nominated. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
* [[User:The Rambling Man]], [[User:Jayron32]], [[User:Muboshgu]]: All the {{cn}} tags have been fixed. [[User:Taknaran|Taknaran]] ([[User talk:Taknaran|talk]]) 14:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''' [[Harper Lee]] had a massive gap in her career but was posted at ITN on the same day when she died.  That's systemic bias for you.  The article in this case looks fine and there seems to be no good reason to delay when RD is so empty currently. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 17:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
**Harper Lee's article still had [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harper_Lee&oldid=702699789# 18kb] prose in the last edit before her death. And she avoided the public spotlight. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
**It was hardly a 78-year gap, and as Muboshgu notes, the gap was mainly deliberate.  Of course, if you want to get into the business of posting items, feel free to run at [[WP:RFA]], it would be very instructive to see how that goes, particularly with regard to your <small>([[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|Personal attack removed]])<!-- Template:RPA --></small> of fair use images.  In any case, there's a consensus here, so all you need is an uninvolved admin to post the item.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:07, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' This is the bare minimum for front page IMO, giving it some credit it wouldn't get if there were more English language sources. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''', significant improvements since initial opposes, all but one of whom support now. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 18:16, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

====[Posted] RD: Burt Kwouk====
{{archive top|there is no need for any more discussion here. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 22:49, 29 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Burt Kwouk<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36370997 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The Rambling Man <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Sayonara Cato.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Beaten to the nom Support''' - [[Tenko (TV series)|Women bow!]]. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 14:31, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' Career section is woefully underreferenced.  Filmography is entirely unreferenced.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 14:59, 24 May 2016 (UTC)</s>
*:Well according to some, we can use IMDB for the whole thing, or rely on blue links, or watch the movies, isn't that enough?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:07, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::No.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 15:21, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*::::Rotten Tomatoes?  (Not sour grapes...) [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::::Look, you've proposed that the article should be posted on the main page.  You're the one with the emotional investment to see it through.  You can actually spend the time to fix the problems keeping it off the main page, or you can tease people and act foolish.  It makes no difference to me which you choose to spend your time on, but only one activity will actually result in this getting posted.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 15:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*::::::Look, I'm asking if Rotten Tomatoes can be used to source the filmography.  It wasn't a tease, it was a light-hearted attempt to get you out of your funk.  If you want to get all stressed and narky about it, that's your problem, but as you can already see, I'm making some progress.  It would be instructive if you could yay or nay the use of RT for inline citations of film appearances (like [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/curse_of_the_fly/ this] for "Curse of the Fly"?).  Cheers.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 16:52, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::::::Sounds fine by me.  It's better than no cites at all.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 02:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*::::::::imdb should be avoided wholecloth where possible to avoid the appearance of it being valid for thing for which it isn't. As it stands, [http://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/4ce2ba1791134 here] is a much more reliable source providing a filmography for Kwouk. [[User:Grapple X|'''G<small>RAPPLE</small>''']] [[User talk:Grapple X|'''<small><sup>X</sup></small>''']] 10:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*::I'm not ''entirely'' certain that this is the ''absolutely'' most helpful thing that you could have said at this particular point, TRM... Shall we leave it there for the purposes of this particular nom? [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] (using his alt account [[user:Bencherheavy|Bencherheavy]]) 15:13, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::Well I'm not sure.  For some cases it seems to some that IMDB is just fine, for others not.  Hence why I phrased it as a question.  But sure, sayonara Bencher. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:16, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*::::For something as benign as a filmography, IMDB is not an issue, as TRM has pointed out. It's when people reference the user-generated factoids in the trivia section that the verifiability becomes an issue. [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 16:40, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''question''' someone want to ask what wikiproject film thinks? Daniel day Lewis (GA) and Phillip Seymour Hoffman (FA) have prose career sections with inline references, and tabular filmography sections without. Just FYI --[[Special:Contributions/107.77.233.25|107.77.233.25]] ([[User talk:107.77.233.25|talk]]) 17:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
**The best way to ask what WikiProject Film thinks is to ask WikiProject Film at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film]]. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 20:05, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
::I agree with the IP. Not to denigrate TRM's work (hunting refs is something I do more than writing (stilted) prose and a thankless task in comparison) but individually sourcing an article-linked filmography section is unnecessary even for FA/GA/DYK. I dislike seeing how "quality" here is arbitrarily instituting these inane "rules" for posting. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 10:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Forget GA and DYK, requirements there are, well, ''special''.  As for FA, well I hope the people that review the unreferenced items follow the blue links and check they're referenced, as a minimum.  Otherwise the FA fails [[WP:V]].  We shouldn't be chasing the lowest common denominator.  Plus, my edits were in response to the opposition who asked for more references (just as I would have done in their position) and we are driven by community consensus, not "what happened in one particular FA/GA/DYK". [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
::::However much I'd like to debate the applicability of [[WP:V]] and [[WP:BLP]] with you, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I would like to state though that I was referring to the filmography section, not the career section (which should be cited and also cover his filmography), and that one person does not make "community consensus". [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 14:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::It wasn't one person, and as I said, I would include myself too in any case.  Relying on blue links simply isn't the best approach.  Just because one FA hasn't done the best it can, it doesn't mean we should all make a bodge of it.  I'm happy to work on referencing and working on making each item standalone and not reliant on other articles whose quality is unknown.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*<s>'''neutral leaning oppose'''</s>. While referenced, the career section isn't prose so much as [[WP:PROSELINE|proseline]]. That's not quite enough to make me oppose (but it very nearly is, and I may revisit this later) but it's not of sufficient quality to get my support for a main page appearance. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 20:05, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Working on it, between nappies (not my own).  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Good work, now '''support'''. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:07, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Frankly, TRM's work on this article has been admirable.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 01:27, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.  Great work on the improvements.  Well done.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 02:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I think I'm done really, 90% of the appearances (despite them all having their own article) are now referenced inline and the article has had a general tidy-up.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' - sorry, but I don't see anything in the nomination or the article that suggests how he meets RD criteria. He is really only known for one role, (two if you're a Summer Wine fan), and doesn't seem to have won any awards. I don't feel that he can be considered a leading person in his field. [[User:Optimist on the run|Optimist on the run]] ([[User talk:Optimist on the run|talk]]) 11:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC)</s> Struck oppose per comment below. [[User:Optimist on the run|Optimist on the run]] ([[User talk:Optimist on the run|talk]]) 14:13, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Please see the note  about the current RD trial, posting is based on quality alone.  Talk page has further discussion. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*::{{ping|The Rambling Man}} What note? This is the first I've heard of any trial, though I admit I've been away from WP for a while. I'm afraid the talk page is a case of TLDR. [[User:Optimist on the run|Optimist on the run]] ([[User talk:Optimist on the run|talk]]) 14:13, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::For one month RDs are to be judged on quality alone, in an attempt to avoid the protracted and usually nationalistic claims of super notability of one college basketball coach over another British sitcom actor... [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Sourcing looks solid - according to the present RD trial, this looks good to go. [[User:Challenger l|Challenger l]] ([[User talk:Challenger l|talk]]) 12:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per trial criteria. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 14:43, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' is ready. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 15:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 19:46, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

:::<small>''Point of information:'' What's the difference between narky and snarky? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 20:05, 29 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
::::<small>Narky=bad-tempered, snarky=critical or sarcastic. I understand there are a number of dictionaries available should this situation arise in future.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 20:14, 29 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
::::Point of information: what is the point of this point of information?  Is it a point-making point of information our just a pointless pointed point of information?  Either way, I'd suggest the question is pointless and adds nothing, as usual, to this process.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] Remove "EgyptAir Flight 804"? ====
{{archive top|1=Staying put for now. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)}}
The article may have received updates of May 22 and 23, mostly minor updates in prose. However, neither seems very impactful to the event marked as "ongoing". Of course, the event can be reinserted as just a blurb, but this is the removal proposal, <u>i.e. delisting the event from Ongoing ticker</u>. The ones in "Search and recovery efforts" discusses just an Egyptian submarine and a French boat scanning the possible crash area. The latest one in "Responses" is just a series of latest reactions that do very little effect to the event. The latest one in "Investigations" do not make the event meet the ITN ongoing standards, IMHO. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 06:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Keep''', at least for a day or two. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EgyptAir_Flight_804&type=revision&diff=721822689&oldid=721731427 A lot of editing even in the last 12 hours], and [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/23/egyptair-flight-ms804-did-not-swerve-before-crash-cairo-says the Egyptian and Greek authorities] are caught up in a slanging match now. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 08:21, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. It is starting to slow down, but it is still receiving lots of updates and additional information is dripping out. It'll be worth reassessing this in a few days but for now it is still ongoing. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:17, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' inevitably will hit headlines again shortly and updates are making it worth keeping prominent, per the preceding two comments.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:18, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' at ongoing for now, review in a few days. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 14:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' for now: still in the news, and updates are still substantive, with pertinent, new information from as new as yesterday being added. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 15:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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==May 23==
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==== Cyprus election ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Cypriot legislative election, 2016
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Anastasiades government]] holds on to power after '''[[Cypriot legislative election, 2016|Cyprus legislative election]]'''
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[Democratic Rally|DISY]]-led [[Anastasiades government|Cypriot government]] holds on to power after '''[[Cypriot legislative election, 2016|legislative election]]'''
| altblurb2     = Eight parties to enter the [[House of Representatives (Cyprus)|Cypriot parliament]] following '''[[Cypriot legislative election, 2016|legislative election]]'''
| altblurb3     = In [[Cyprus]], [[Democratic Rally|DISY]] retains power with a reduced mandate following '''[[Cypriot legislative election, 2016|legislative election]]'''<br />'''''Alternative blurb IV:''''' '''[[Cypriot legislative election, 2016|Legislative election in Cyprus]]''' leaves governing [[Democratic Rally|DISY]] party with a reduced mandate
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = PanchoS <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Mariakos Antoniou
| updater2      = Μαρκος Δ
| updater3      = Number 57
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = Needs expansion and further improvement.<!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 17:23, 23 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Support''', the article has been updated sufficiently regarding the results and their analysis. I think a blurb about DISY retaining their plurality (rather than the Anastasiades government, Anastasiades would hold power as an executive president regardless of the result) could be better though. --[[User:GGT|GGT]] ([[User talk:GGT|talk]]) 22:16, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
:* That's true. I intentionally omitted DISY as the party lost mandates and wasn't cited as a winner. On the other hand, mentioning the two mandates for far-right ELAM, as some news outlets did, seems [[WP:UNDUE]] as well. I added two altblurbs but am not overly happy with either of them, so feel free to join in with a better proposal. --[[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 06:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
:*'''Support'''. Added a third altblurb which I think is nearly there but not quite perfect. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
::* altblurb3 is a good approach. I added yet another one. An admin should possibly chose one of the last two blurbs. --[[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 10:48, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*Please can we have (a) some news sources included in the nomination for us to read (b) at least one blurb free from grammatical errors (c) an article with more than just a one-sentence lead and (d) an article that is less opinionated ("Mere months before the 2016 legislative election...", "Papadopoulos had gone even further off the mark stating..."? Others may have further ideas. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] 10:40, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
:*'''Support''' -  updated and ready.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 20:58, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Tajikistani referendum ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tajikistani constitutional referendum, 2016
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = At the '''[[Tajikistani constitutional referendum, 2016|Tajikistani constitutional referendum]]''', voters approve the removal of term limits of incumbent President [[Emomali Rahmon]].
| altblurb      = The '''[[Tajikistani constitutional referendum, 2016|Tajikistani constitutional referendum]]''' results in the removal of term limits of incumbent President [[Emomali Rahmon]].
| sources       = [http://tass.ru/en/world/877467 TASS], [http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/tajikistan-vote-president-rule-indefinitely-39299627 ABC News]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Brandmeister <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   09:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Support''' If the head of the Russian observing mission is [[Sergey Sirotkin (politician)]], he should be wikilinked. I am quite sure it was not [[Sergey Sirotkin (racing driver)]] though ;) [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 09:35, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Question'''.  Does the removal of term limits only apply to the current president, or to anyone who is president?  The blurb suggests the former. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:38, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
**Only to the current president Rahmon, from what I've read, making him [[President for Life]]. The wording is provisional, so altblurb might be suggested. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   09:44, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
***I don't understand why they would do that and change it to allow his son to run at 33 years old- but I digress and will say that I '''support''' posting as a notable change to their constitution.  Given your reply I'm not actually sure the blurb needs to be changed. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. I don't like the "voters vote" in the blurb, but can't immediately think of better phrasing. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:52, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' and adding an alt blurb that doesn't use "voters vote". [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 10:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
::Voters endorse. Voters favor. Voters approve. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Adjusted. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   17:51, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' and second the use of 'approve', which is most appropriate for referendums. [[User:Fgf10|Fgf10]] ([[User talk:Fgf10|talk]]) 15:41, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - constitutional referendum is notable.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 16:39, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Eschew the use of the altblurb which invokes [[passive voice]].--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 19:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' the article is ''barely'' above stub quality, but consensus is strong, so posted in the hope that we can get this expanded reasonably quickly.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Binali Yıldırım appointed Turkish Prime Minister====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Binali Yıldırım <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Binali Yıldırım.jpg
| blurb         = '''[[Binali Yıldırım]]''' ''(pictured)'' is appointed [[Prime Minister of Turkey]] following the [[Ahmet Davutoğlu#Resignation as Prime Minister|resignation]] of [[Ahmet Davutoğlu]]  
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = 
| altblurb      = '''[[Binali Yıldırım]]''' ''(pictured)'' is appointed [[Prime Minister of Turkey]] after [[Ahmet Davutoğlu]] resigns [[Pelican files|amid disagreements]] with President [[Recep Tayyip Erdoğan]]
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/erdogan-ally-set-appointed-turkeys-prime-minister-39285468 ABC], [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36352526 BBC], [http://www.voanews.com/content/turkey-prime-minister/3340876.html VOA]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = 
| nominator     = Nub Cake <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Nub Cake
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = No <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Nub Cake|Nub Cake]] ([[User talk:Nub Cake|talk]]) 01:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> for now.  Needs some referencing improvement.  Especially the following section: Education, Early political career, second paragraph of Member of Parliament, middle paragraph of Minister of Transport, Awards and Honors section. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 01:24, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
::Added references to the parts stated. Awards and Honours section is already sourced. The source at the end of the first paragraph lists the universities. [[User:Nub Cake|Nub Cake]] ([[User talk:Nub Cake|talk]]) 14:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' Article now meets minimum quality standards.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 15:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', not the result of an election. Figurehead figleaf. <span style="font-family:Cambria;">[[User:Abductive|<span style="color:teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 03:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
::Not all countries elect their PMs, as a matter of fact. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   07:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:::I respectfully disagree. It doesn't have to be a result of an election. A blurb about the resignation of the Austrian Chancellor and the appointment of his successor is currently on the ITN. [[User:Nub Cake|Nub Cake]] ([[User talk:Nub Cake|talk]]) 14:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC) 
*This is not ITNR; as such, I have removed that notation.  [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:39, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Nub Cake. "A blurb about the resignation of the Austrian Chancellor and the appointment of his successor is currently on the ITN". Can't put it any better. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 14:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
::We don't post one item just because we have posted other items in the same category of events.  Each item is weighed on its own merits. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, but I'd still say that unless someone explains clearly what the difference between Austrian Chancellors and Turkish Prime Ministers are such that the former merits posting and the latter doesn't, then if we oppose posting this because of anything other than article quality issues, it would be a sign of systemic bias. It's up to ITN whether we want to embrace bias or fight it, and I personally think we should have a discussion on that; I do on a personal level feel we should fight bias however, and so I'm supporting. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 15:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - The fact that it wasn't an election is irrelevant. Most countries don't directly elect senior government officials, not a reason not to post. [[User:Fgf10|Fgf10]] ([[User talk:Fgf10|talk]]) 15:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''.  I don't want to formally say that I oppose this but the effect of this seems minimal; the PM is chosen by the President and as such must agree with his policies(in fact, the previous PM was <s>dismissed for</s>resigned due to disagreeing with Erodgan).  The new PM has even suggested his role should be abolished de jure because Erodgan is already in charge de facto. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The senior leadership of the CCP (PRC) is not 'elected' by the wider public, so "it was not an election" is a No-go argument. And until Turkey formally moves to a Presidential system, this is ITN recurring material. <font color="8B0000">Caradhras</font>Aiguo ([[User talk:CaradhrasAiguo|talk]]) 16:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{replyto|CaradhrasAiguo}}  This is not a recurring item; in fact, the [[WP:ITNR|recurring items list]] specifically states that changes to head of government are discussed on their own merits. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|331dot}} Regardless, it is a non-trivial consolidation of power in favor of Erdogan, and thru my lens it is clearly by no means an insignificant step in the path towards increased Authoritarianism, and possibly Totalitarianism in the Turksish 'Republic'.  <font color="8B0000">Caradhras</font>Aiguo ([[User talk:CaradhrasAiguo|talk]]) 16:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support.''' Though Yıldırım won't be much more than a figurehead, he has been a key minister for years, and both his positive achievements and dark sides are remarkable. Apart from that, current developments in Turkey are very intensely covered in int'l media, and {{u|CaradhrasAiguo}} is right in noting that this is another important step towards authoritanism. We should also reward the main author of this contentwise awesome article, though I'd like to see more English-language sources, or at least translations of some of the more important sources' titles. Technically it's a bit early, as Yıldırım has not yet been confirmed by parliament, but it is beyond any doubt that he will be confirmed at the parliament's next session. --[[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 16:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – New (nominal) head of government in a country of 79 million. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:00, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:14, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I cannot, actually, determine whether or not this nomination should be ITNR.  The criteria states that "heads of state" are ITNR, election or not, but that "heads of government" are not ITNR, election or not.  The definition of Turkey's government, as noted on Wikipedia, the CIA and Turkey's own government webpage, is "parliamentary republic".  This means the PM, as head of parliament, should be the most powerful person in the country, and if ITNR should have any correlation with impact, then surely heads of government should be ITNR for republics.  Now, the difference between "state" and "government" is something of a Western conceit that Turkey (among others) is doing away with, and there's good reason to say that <i>de facto</i> power in this particular "parliamentary republic" actually does lie with the head of state, contrary to their assertions otherwise.  The strictest reading of the ITNR criteria leads me to say that ITNR should not apply here, and this particular case seems to support that.  But the fact that, for many countries on Earth, ITNR would cover the change in a mere figurehead, but not the person in charge of the actual functioning of the state <i>and</i> government strikes me as absurd, and surely this would have been considered when laying down the ITNR criteria.[[Special:Contributions/128.214.53.18|128.214.53.18]] ([[User talk:128.214.53.18|talk]]) 07:43, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Perhaps [[WT:ITNR]] is a better venue for this since the item has been posted, regardless of whether it should be included as an ITNR candidate or not.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
::Indeed- though they may want to review prior discussions on that subject. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 22==
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====[Closed] RD: Bata Živojinović ====
{{Archive top|result=Stale, now that RD has three articles, two of which are more recent deaths than this one. No consensus to post. [[User talk:SSTflyer|SST<span style="color:DarkSlateGray">flyer</span>]] 02:06, 28 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bata Živojinović
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/yugos-mega-film-star-bata-zivojinovic-dies-82-39301228 ABC News]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = EternalNomad <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Award-winning actor, should be notable enough even without trial run.  Article needs more sourcing in Biography section though.
| sign          = [[User:EternalNomad|EternalNomad]] ([[User talk:EternalNomad|talk]]) 14:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* Tentative support, iconic actor. The article needs some more references, though. A couple of paragraphs are unreferenced (though there has been some improvement since the first time I checked). --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 20:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Other than the "Illness and death section", has a grand total of two references, and discounting the section on his death and the list of films is so short as to be a substub. I don't expect everything to be an FA, but I do expect an article on a politician to have more than one sentence about their political positions and career.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 20:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Needs references and it's a woefully short article for someone who spent nearly 60 years in his field. [[User:Challenger l|Challenger l]] ([[User talk:Challenger l|talk]]) 23:15, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
{{Archive bottom}}

==== Ice Hockey World Championship ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 IIHF World Championship Final<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In [[ice hockey]], [[Canada men's national ice hockey team|Canada]] defeat [[Finland men's national ice hockey team|Finland]] in '''[[2016 IIHF World Championship Final|the final]]''' to win the [[2016 IIHF World Championship|IIHF World Championship]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/canada-beats-finland-2-0-to-win-gold-at-hockey-worlds-1.2912807 CTV News], [https://www.rt.com/sport/344031-canada-ice-hockey-world-champions/ RT], [http://ca.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idCAKCN0YD0V7 Reuters]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Noticed this tournament by chance. Has one line of prose. Needs some more prose (buildup, match summary, etc), if there are any ice hockey fans out there.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 21:26, 22 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
:::<small>Maybe they're melting away like the glaciers. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
::::<small>More just a matter that this is actually not that major of a tournament, unlike the olympics, [[World Cup of Hockey]] or the [[Stanley Cup]] playoffs, which are also ongoing. It's an annual tournament that is mostly seen as secondary, as many of the world's best are too busy with their club teams to participate. Tends to be treated more significantly in continental Europe than anywhere else. Oh, and its annual, unlike the quadrennial World Cups in other sports, and even hockey.[[User:Oknazevad|oknazevad]] ([[User talk:Oknazevad|talk]]) 16:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' even calling this a stub is pushing it.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' because the article currently has '''133 BYTES''' of prose. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
::<small>Trans:  Twenty-four words. (Don't believe prose is customarily measured in bytes.) [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 23:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
:::See [[WP:DYK]] for an example, {{xt|Articles must have a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose}}, cheers. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Indeed. It's bigger now, but still only 1,066 characters (or 184 words, if you prefer) and not fully sourced. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

====Palme d'Or====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = I, Daniel Blake <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <nowiki/>'''''[[I, Daniel Blake ]]''''' wins the [[Palme d'Or]] at the [[2016 Cannes Film Festival|Cannes Film Festival]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <nowiki/>''[[I, Daniel Blake]]'' wins the [[Palme d'Or]] at the '''[[2016 Cannes Film Festival|Cannes Film Festival]]'''.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = '''[[Ken Loach]]''' wins his second [[Palme d'Or]] for the film ''[[I, Daniel Blake]]'' at the '''[[2016 Cannes Film Festival|Cannes Film Festival]]'''.
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36355313 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The Rambling Man <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' on length.  Article is a stub right now.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 20:39, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*[[2016 Cannes Film Festival]] might be the better target article. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' either target. The film article appears to be unstubbed now, so I've removed the stub tag. Haven't watched it, though. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   17:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Right now, 4 out of 5 ITN posts are about heads of government/state, and we need something that's not politics. This is ITN/R. Have added an altblurb, emphasizing the director (who actually receives the Palme, and Loach is one of very few directors to have won twice). [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 08:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' with [[2016 Cannes Film Festival]] as the target article, as it appears to cover the event in sufficient depth. Ken Loach has an orange tag. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:24, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on length. A sum total of one sentence was added to each since both the film and award articles were nominated. For the film, I disagree that it is not a stub. I'd expect roughly 3 paragraphs on the film (lead, plot, production, reviews, etc) - it currently is half that and doesn't even meet the minimum length reqs for DYK. The award article should describe what happened at the festival - see [[2015 Cannes Film Festival|the 2015 lead]] or [[2014_Cannes_Film_Festival#Awards|the 2014 awards section]]. I don't really see a reason to highlight Loach's article; ITN/R is for the film, not the director. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 10:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - per Muboshgu. Opposers concerns about article length are unconvincing. This nomination, as noted, is ITN/R, and appears to be ready, so I am tagging it as such. [[User:Jusdafax|<span style="color:green;">Jus</span>]][[User talk:Jusdafax|<span style="color:#C1118C;">da</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jusdafax|<span style="color:#0000FF;">fax</span>]]  04:58, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' where is the prose? The film article is very sparse and borderline acceptable I suppose, but the 2016 festival article is just a series of massive tables with 1-2 sentence introductions. ITN/R means that the event is automatically deemed notable enough to appear on ITN ''subject to an update of sufficient quality''. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 11:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Austrian presidential election ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Austrian presidential election, 2016<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Alexander Van der Bellen]] '''[[Austrian presidential election, 2016|is narrowly elected]]''' [[President of Austria]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[Alexander Van der Bellen]] of [[The Greens – The Green Alternative|The Greens]] is elected as the [[President of Austria]].  <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = Independent '''[[Alexander Van der Bellen]]''', a member of [[The Greens – The Green Alternative|The Greens]], '''[[Austrian presidential election, 2016|is narrowly elected]]'''  [[President of Austria]]. 
| altblurb3     = [[Alexander Van der Bellen]] narrowly defeats [[Norbert Hofer]] in '''[[Austrian presidential election, 2016|Austrian presidential election]]'''.
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36353200 BBC News], [http://www.dw.com/en/results-of-austrian-presidential-vote-too-close-to-call/a-19276128 Deutsche Welle], [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/22/austria-election-far-right-candidate-norbert-hofer-ahead-in-exit-poll The Guardian]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Tataral <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
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| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
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| nom cmt       = An exit poll has Hofer leading by less than two percent - within a margin of error. Result should be finalised tomorrow. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 16:43, 22 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:'''comment''' Same nom, same time. I just moved my blurb here as altbrlub.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 16:46, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{reply|Lihaas}} A little early your prophecy in the altblurn, isn't it? [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 16:48, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Yea probably, nor surprised at chicanery (a la French election a decade or so ago (what fun I had debating with my [black) French teacher (incidentally best, most neutral teacher ive ever had...spelled out her position and actually discussed with me at UVA) ;))[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 22:39, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
::::'''comment''' point being, we don't determine "narrow" arbitrarily, reader can. And also mentioned party for ''context''.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 22:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Not just a close election but one with many implications for Europe, and within the scope of a turbulent time of Austrian politics. Maybe a merged blurb with new president and chancellor? That would also help with not having this blurb as a sea of blue which it is at the moment... [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 16:47, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - close to call election. will have implications for European politics.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 20:00, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until official results are announced. Postal votes have yet to be counted. The official results are released on Monday so best to wait until then. See BBC article [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36353200?ocid=global_bbccom_email_22052016_top+news+stories],
**Added second alternative blurb in case Alexander Van der Bellen of the Greens is elected although I prefer the original blurb in case either candidate is elected. [[User:Capitalistroadster|Capitalistroadster]] ([[User talk:Capitalistroadster|talk]]) 06:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' once the official results are known. And what's with the presumptuous altblurb?--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 21:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Note''' about altblurb 2: Van der Bellen ran on an Independent ticket. So while it is true he is a Green party member, putting that in the blurb would imply that we won the election ''for'' that party, which would be incorrect. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 13:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Van der Bellen has now won the election[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/austria-presidential-election-result-alexander-van-der-bellen-wins-over-far-right-candidate-norbert-a7043516.html] --[[User:Tataral|Tataral]] ([[User talk:Tataral|talk]]) 14:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support.''' I also think we can call this a "narrow" victory, per [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36362505 BBC], [http://www.euronews.com/2016/05/23/austria-independent-candidate-alexander-van-der-bellen-narrowly-defeats-far-right-norbert-hofer-in-presidential-election/ euronews], [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/23/austrian-election-austrian-far-right-candidate-norbert-hoffer-ha/ Telegraph] and other [[WP:RS]]. It's not a very subjective interpretation of the outcome nor is it [[WP:OR]]. --[[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 14:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' Took a slightly trimmed version of alt-blurb II. Picture should be ready soon. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 15:15, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:* '''Oppose image''' – Int'l media was only interested in Van Der Bellen as Hofer's opponent. With a president promising to continue the low-profile role of his predecessors, the lately appointed Chancellor clearly is the central figure in Austrian politics. --[[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 15:22, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:**Support image. The head of state is more interesting to an international audience, and more recent. The narrow victory after a day of great uncertainty clearly is a major news story. --[[User:Tataral|Tataral]] ([[User talk:Tataral|talk]]) 16:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:::* Recency is an argument, but why would a figurehead head of state be "more interesting to an international audience" than a powerful head of government? I'm not prejudiced against Van der Bellen, but while Hofer would have changed the political system of the Republic, it is very likely that the international audience won't ever hear about Van der Bellen again. The defeat of Hofer is the big news here, not Van der Bellen's victory. That's why I also '''strongly prefer altblurb3'''. --[[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 17:01, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
::::*I think altblurb3 gives undue weight to the guy who ''lost'' the election. If Hillary Clinton wins the US presidential election, she will continue the legacy of Obama and many previous presidents and not really make any dramatic changes, as opposed to the American version of Norbert Hofer, Donald Trump, who has said he will persecute Muslims, build a wall and so on, and clearly have a more dramatic (in a negative way) impact on his country. But if Clinton wins the election, the blurb should focus on her and not Trump. --[[User:Tataral|Tataral]] ([[User talk:Tataral|talk]]) 17:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*Is this outcome likely to be disputed?--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 15:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
::No, [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/23/far-right-candidate-defeated-austrian-presidential-election-norbert-hofer Hofer conceded]. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 15:36, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Nenzing shooting ====
{{archive top|1=No consensus to post. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 Nenzing shooting
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In [[Nenzing]], Austria, two people are killed and eleven injured in '''[[2016 Nenzing shooting|a mass shooting]]''', with the perpetrator taking his own life shortly after.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/oesterreich/chronik/820143_Drei-Tote-bei-Schiesserei-auf-Konzert.html Wiener Zeitung]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Zwerg Nase <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Zwerg Nase
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Not an everyday event in Central Europe
| sign          = [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 11:06, 22 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' – More of a [[murder suicide]] than a [[mass shooting]].  [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 11:08, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' in principle, this is a rarity in Europe, although Austria appears to have been unlucky with fatal [[2013 Annaberg shooting|shootings in 2013]] and [[2015 Graz van attack|attacks in 2015]].  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Tragic for those involved, but not that big an event really. [[User:Fgf10|Fgf10]] ([[User talk:Fgf10|talk]]) 12:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Fgf10. I barely saw international coverage on this, and the death + wounded toll is relatively small as well. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 08:23, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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==May 21==
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==== RD: Nick Menza ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Nick Menza
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://thenortheasttoday.com/former-megadeth-drummer-nick-menza-dies-at-the-age-of-51/] [http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/may/22/nick-menza-megadeth-drummer-dies-collapsing-stage-los-angeles]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Thryduulf <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = article is generally in OK shape, but the "musical career" section needs a few more citations.
| nom cmt       = Drummer best known for working with [[Megadeth]]. Wouldn't make the cut in importance, but that doesn't matter during the trial. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 13:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
| sign          = [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 13:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Featured on 4 Megadeth LP's that have all gone platinum (one went double), and was nominated for a Grammy. Rust in Peace was released on September 24, 1990, and debuted at number 23 on the Billboard 200. Went Platinum after shipping one million copies. Countdown to Extinction debuted at number two on the Billboard 200 with first week sales of 128,000 copies. Went platinum after shipping one million copies.. Eventually went Double Platinum with two million copies. Was nominated for a Grammy. Youthanasia debuted and peaked at number 4 on the Billboard 200, with 143,000 units sold in its first week. Went platinum after shipping one million copies.Cryptic Writings debuted at number 10 on Billboard 200 chart, sold 75,000 copies in the first week, and was certified platinum in 1998 by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) for shipping one million copies in the United States. [[User:JanderVK|JanderVK]] ([[User talk:JanderVK|talk]]) 20:33, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
**None of what you typed is relevant while we're posting all recent deaths that are of sufficient quality (ie neutrality, sourcing). &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' until referencing issues noted in the nom are resolved.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:39, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Akhtar Mansour ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Akhtar Mansour
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       =  [http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/05/21/afghan-taliban-leader-likely-killed-in-us-airstrike-official-says.html (Fox News)]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Baking Soda <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
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| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = Senior [[Taliban]] commander, killed in a U.S. drone strike.
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 09:36, 22 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' article is extensive and well referenced. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:23, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I don't think this is written in an encyclopedic tone. While sourced, there is a lot of speculation in the article; including his place of birth, his interactions with other Islamic figures and his death. [[WP:ALLEGED|Phrases like]] 'alleged', 'apparently', and 'claimed' pepper the article. I will also note that the US government [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36352559 have yet to] definitively confirm his death, only that they did target him in a drone strike and is "probably" dead. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 15:31, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
**As long as the claims are being made by specifically identified reliable sources and not being made in Wikipedia's voice then there is no problem with those sorts of statements - indeed if the information is disputed by reliable sources or there is no definitive information available they are required. As for the death, last I saw it had been confirmed by the Taliban (and a false claim of death would not seem to be in their interests). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 16:16, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
**At time of posting nomination, death was already confirmed by Taliban, U.S., and Afghan intelligence.. [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 10:17, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

====RD: Sándor Tarics====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sándor Tarics<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       =  [http://www.lequipe.fr/Water-polo/Actualites/Deces-de-sandor-tarics-le-plus-vieux-champion-olympique/679183 ''L'Equipe'']<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The Rambling Man <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = Needs expansion.<!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Oldest living Olympic gold medallist is now no longer living.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:28, 21 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment:''' Barring expansion that indicates major notability in the water polo field, I'm leaning oppose. "Oldest Olympic gold medalist" isn't as notable as "Oldest living human", and his medal was won as part of a team competition rather than an individual event as well. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 04:13, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
**We are currently trialling a new system for RD where everyone who has a Wikipedia biography is automatically notable enough, the only criteria we are judging on is the quality of the article (see [[WT:ITN]] for more info). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:08, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
***Ah thank you for the clarification. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 01:34, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on length of article.  A stub cannot be posted on the main page.  If this were expanded to a comprehensive biography, I could support it.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 04:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Jayron32. Not comprehensive enough for the main page. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:08, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article is already quite interesting.  Enough is as good as a feast. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 20:54, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -  interesting, and RD worthy.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 20:58, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - stub. [[User:Nohomersryan|Nohomersryan]] ([[User talk:Nohomersryan|talk]]) 21:01, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 20==
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==May 19==
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==== RD: Alan Young ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Alan Young <!-- Do not wikilink --> 
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/alan-young-foil-for-talking-horse-mister-ed-dies-at-96/ CBS], [http://www.people.com/article/alan-young-dead-mister-ed-star-was-96 People]. Reported on Friday, May 20 to have died Thursday, May 19. <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = TheBlinkster <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| note          = Article is in reasonable shape; could use a few more references and the lengthy filmography could possibly be split off as there's already a tag suggesting this. <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Star of the long-running US TV series ''[[Mister Ed]]''.   <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:TheBlinkster|TheBlinkster]] ([[User talk:TheBlinkster|talk]]) 00:28, 21 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' Article needs a lot of sourcing. Ping me if it's fixed. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 00:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' "Of course". [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 07:07, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' needs references, per the tag.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
**References for what, specifically? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 15:26, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
***Try the Career section for starters.  Most of it is unreferenced, relying in some cases on blue links which don't themselves have reliable sources for verification.  Then there's the list of appearances, some of which don't have references or dubious articles to rely upon.  Hope that helps you fix the issues instead of spending all your time editing chat pages! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
***{{ping|Baseball Bugs}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alan_Young&type=revision&diff=721425158&oldid=721404001] &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:44, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
****Do you accept IMDB cast-and-crew lists as reliable? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 23:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
*****See [[WP:RS/IMDB]]. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:54, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
******It looks like Wikipedia will have to gut a gazillion articles with filmographies in them. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 00:05, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*******Ideally, yes.  IMDB is no more reliable than Wikipedia.  Please feel free to work on the sourcing issues!  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
********Using what for sourcing? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 06:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*********[[WP:RS|Reliable sources]].  You must have heard about them?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:14, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
**********Name a reliable source for filmographies. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 14:09, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
***********If there is no reliable source then the information does not belong on Wikipedia per [[WP:V]]. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 14:43, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
************IMDB is reliable for cast and crew. But if it's not acceptable to you, name one that is acceptable. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 15:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
************* [[Wikipedia:Citing IMDb]]. [[User talk:LauraJamieson|Laura Jamieson (talk)]] 15:19, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
**************Precisely. For filmography, IMDB is not "unreliable", it's "disputed". But the info is verifiable, by watching the individual movies, etc. The same can't necessarily be said for "trivia" and the like. So it's reasonable to take a given actor's filmography from IMDB, except maybe in cases where it says "uncredited", which might be harder to verify. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 16:00, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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***************{{ping|Baseball Bugs}} Can you show me where you have reliably sourced an edit to Wikipedia?   I can't seem to find a single one. [[Special:Contributions/2600:8806:4800:5100:E1B2:44F3:FE2C:BCF2|2600:8806:4800:5100:E1B2:44F3:FE2C:BCF2]] ([[User talk:2600:8806:4800:5100:E1B2:44F3:FE2C:BCF2|talk]]) 16:07, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
****************You first. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 19:29, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*****************It's just not what Bugs does, in fact it's quite the opposite, providing false information without sourcing is his forte.  Quite what he's doing here discussing article space issues is beyond me.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:42, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
******************Your first sentence immediately above is false. And it's you that claims the article needs references, when it doesn't. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 19:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*******************Back to peddling nonsense at the ref desks, leave the encyclopedia to the competent please. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:58, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*******************P.S. Here's a nice example of a RS that you, Bugs, can add: [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=McVxRCJEbPcC&pg=PA127&lpg=PA127&dq=%22The+Jimmy+Durante+Show%22+%22alan+young%22&source=bl&ots=f72udj49Bk&sig=VoRVtMoB1hllTH0erJnHi59_bZs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkktWlvO7MAhUnLsAKHRVuAFgQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Jimmy%20Durante%20Show%22%20%22alan%20young%22&f=false Jimmy Durante co-host].  Care to bother, or back to the chat rooms? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*********************There's no need for that kind of effort. IMDB is sufficiently reliable. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 20:09, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
**********************And that is why you're welcome to remain at the chat desks!  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
**********************:Yes, like this one. :) ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 20:13, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
********************Here's one of my referenced entries from earlier today.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language&diff=prev&oldid=721503575] It puts the IP troll's claim to the lie. He's based in Georgia, so he could claim ignorance as his excuse. There's no explaining you, though. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 20:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*********************Is that an article you referenced?! Try reading up about cricket, football and international flight and providing sources before more errors in future!  Cheers for popping to the encyclopedia for a bit though! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
**********************"International flights"??? What has that got to do with anything? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 20:05, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' Extremely notable person for Mr. Ed and extensive Disney work etc.  Cavils about sourcing would apply equally to a vast number of article, but ''this'' is the guy who just died.     By the time every article is done, we would have this at the centenary of his death, AFAICT.   If it makes a difference, change entire filmography sections for ''every'' actor.  [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 00:22, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Strange to think that you consider suitably sourced and referenced articles to be a petty requirement.  Still, at least we know where we stand regarding your opinions hereafter.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:22, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*:For an example of a more reasonably sourced RD actor article, please see [[Burt Kwouk]] above.  Cheers.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:10, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Very notable person, a much-loved actor for decades, as per Collect above. Once properly sourced, I think it should be good to go. [[User:Challenger l|Challenger l]] ([[User talk:Challenger l|talk]]) 06:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Long, visible career<s>; and the "cn" tags are mostly bogus</s>. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 19:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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*:Much like this comment!  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:05, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*::For sure. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 20:07, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::I don't suppose you two would be willing to knock it off? --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:25, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*::::Sure, but for the avoidance of doubt, the "cn" tags are most certainly '''not''' bogus, and claiming otherwise is simply false.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::::They were added to ensure that British bias would prevent the American actor from being posted. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 22:06, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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* '''Support''' – [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GAbc5uQXJo Of course!] Cuz Mr. Ed was even more notable than [[Silver (horse)|Silver]] or [[Trigger (horse)|Trigger]]! – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:35, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
**Notability is not relevant to RD (beyond having an article) during the current trial. The only thing that matters is the quality of the article. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 21:58, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
:::[[File:Mr Ed (7068173189).jpg|65px|left]] 
:<small>Unless of course it's the famous Mr. Ed. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:17, 23 May 2016 (UTC)</small> {{-}}
***Why is notability unimportant? What "trial"? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 02:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
****Please read the talk page.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:20, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per trial criteria. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 14:45, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
*:The criteria require an article of sufficient quality, i.e. one without all the missing references.  I'll happily talk you through it if it's unclear.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Accession of Montenegro to NATO ====
{{archive top|result = Pick up your money, pack up your tent, this ain't going nowhere. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Accession of Montenegro to NATO
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Montenegro]] and [[NATO]] sign an '''[[Accession of Montenegro to NATO|accession agreement]]''', paving the way for entry into the military alliance.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.rferl.org/content/montenegro-signs-nato-accession-agreement-may-19-/27744360.html (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty)]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Baking Soda <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Significant international relations/geopolitical event..
| sign          = [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 19:50, 19 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Weak oppose'''.  "Paving the way for entry" is not the same thing as actual entry.  There's still a few steps for them to complete before they actually enter. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::Significance of event is its geopolitical signal (move towards Europe as opposed to Russia). All of [[Member states of NATO|NATO's members]] must now ratify the agreement, with [[Prime Minister of Montenegro|Prime Minister]] [[Milo Đukanović]] expecting Montenegro to join by mid 2017. [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 20:02, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::I understand but as of now I still think their actual entry into NATO is what would be truly notable. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' let's wait until it happens. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:17, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per TRM; something that hasn't happened yet being a bit more likely to happen is not news. There's a long way to go yet; given the realistic possibilities of a President Trump or a post-Brexit UK government including either Farage or Sturgeon, it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that NATO won't even exist by mid 2017.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 20:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
**<small>Given that NATO endured throughout the Cold War and outlived the entire Eastern Bloc, I doubt it will even flinch from Trump-like persons. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   20:36, 19 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
***<small>Farage or Sturgeon are meaningless here. They are not going to be part of the UK government even if Brexit happens. Trump however may mean US withdraws from NATO, which could indeed mean collapse of NATO or least most of its influence. -- [[User:KTC|KTC]] ([[User talk:KTC|talk]]) 22:02, 19 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' per TRM. -- [[User:KTC|KTC]] ([[User talk:KTC|talk]]) 22:02, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] Christian Kern ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Christian Kern
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = File:Christian Kern 2016 (portrait).jpg
| blurb         = [[Austrian Federal Railways]] CEO '''[[Christian Kern]]''' succeeds [[Werner Faymann]] as [[Chancellor of Austria]].
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/christian-kern-sworn-in-as-new-austrian-chancellor/2016/05/17/d4c1f88e-1c4c-11e6-82c2-a7dcb313287d_story.html Washington Post] and others.
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = PanchoS <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Gugganij
| updater2      = Darealclub
| updater3      = Therequiembellishere
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| note          = Article needs expansion.
| nom cmt       = While the old chancellor's resignation was posted, the followup nomination got missed. Still not too late.
| sign          = [[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 18:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''<s>Oppose</s>''' I clicked on the link in the blurb, saw a 29-year old foreign minister stare back at me and thought "those Austrians sure know how to pick their leaders." Unfortunately the actual article is barely a week old and still a stub. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 18:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:* {{ping|Fuebaey}} Pardon me, must have been a Freudian slip, when I was in a hurry. Thanks for fixing, though! --[[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 00:51, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::No worries. I thought it was another Trudeau moment, albeit a right-wing version. In terms of expansion, could add more on his political/business background. From reading the article, I don't understand how the head of a state company suddenly becomes head of government. Government ministers or people with political experience tend to get high profile posts. This seems unusual. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 22:04, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Has been expanded and I think it's decent enough for ITN. Coincides with the vote today. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 09:46, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''' ... upon article improvements — New head of government. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 01:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' in principle. The article is very short and needs immediate improvements, though.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 07:39, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' subject to article quality. [[User:Neljack|Neljack]] ([[User talk:Neljack|talk]]) 00:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
* Having expanded the article quite a bit and improved the reference situation, I'd feel quite comfortable now with this blurb getting promoted now. It's still not perfect though, and further improvements are highly welcome. But by and large, it should be on par with the German version now. --[[User:PanchoS|PanchoS]] ([[User talk:PanchoS|talk]]) 13:53, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Marked''' as ready. Admin to check quality but otherwise seems to have consensus. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 16:56, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ITN will soon become Austrian ITN.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Morley Safer ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Morley Safer
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Ihcoyc <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| note          = Article is rather brief but seems adequately verified by the references.  Awards section needs more.
| nom cmt       = Long running ''[[60 Minutes]]'' TV correspondent.  12 Emmy awards, many others. Household name in the USA.  
| sign          = [[User:Ihcoyc|Smerdis of Tlön]] - [[User talk:Ihcoyc|killing the human spirit since 2003!]] 17:29, 19 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*Would've met the normal RD criteria without the trial. I'll support when citations are added. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:37, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''support'''  - a notable TV journalist. both in America and abroad per 60 minutes.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 17:50, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:*We are not judging RD nominations on basis of notability anymore; we are judging on whether it meets our quality and reference standards.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 18:00, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' once the citations are added to awards sections (unfortunately I don't have time myself today but if I have time later I'll help). Agree that Safer is one of the top people in his field in any event - 60 minutes regular for years. [[User:TheBlinkster|TheBlinkster]] ([[User talk:TheBlinkster|talk]]) 18:28, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Citations have been added to awards section. [[User:Funcrunch|Funcrunch]] ([[User talk:Funcrunch|talk]]) 18:42, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' now that citations have been added. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 18:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Cyclone Roanu ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Cyclone Roanu
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Roanu 2016-05-19 0805Z.jpg
| blurb         = Flooding and landslides produced by '''[[Cyclone Roanu]]''' ''(satellite image pictured)'' in [[Sri Lanka]] kill at least 58 people and leave more than 130 missing
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36328863 BBC], [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sri-lanka-floods-idUSKCN0YA0P7 Reuters], ''[http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/20/world/asia/sri-lanka-landslides-monsoon-survivors.html New York Times]''
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Cyclonebiskit <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Anirudh Emani
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Sources may say monsoonal rains, but the system was the precursor to the recently named Cyclone Roanu.
| sign          = ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 17:07, 19 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''', quite serious death toll, article is in good overall shape. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   07:24, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - per above mentioned reasons,[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 16:11, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Philippine legislative election====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Philippine Senate election, 2016
| article2      = Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2016
| image         = 
| blurb         = In the [[Philippine general election, 2016|Philippine general election]], the [[Liberal Party (Philippines)|Liberal Party]] emerges as the party with a plurality of seats in both houses of [[Congress of the Philippines|Congress]] after the '''[[Philippine Senate election, 2016|Senate]]''' and '''[[Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2016|House of Representatives]]''' elections.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no
| altblurb      = The [[Liberal Party (Philippines)|Liberal Party]] emerges with the most seats in the [[Congress of the Philippines]], after elections in the '''[[Philippine Senate election, 2016|Senate]]''' and the '''[[Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2016|House of Representatives]]'''.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-05/19/c_135372534.htm Xinhua]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = yes
| nominator     = Howard the Duck <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Howard the Duck <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes
| note          = Would like better blurb linking to remove Easter eggs.
| nom cmt       = The legislative part of the [[Philippine general election, 2016]]. The winners for the executive (presidential and vice presidential elections) aren't to be officially proclaimed until early next month, at the earliest.
| sign          = –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">H</span>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">T</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">D</span>]]''' 15:19, 19 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*<s>'''Oppose''' because both target articles suffer from large swaths of uncited text.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 15:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)</s>
** The large swaths of uncited texts are backgrounders (electoral system) written in [[WP:SUMMARY|summary style]]. I could just hide them for the meantime as that's a common practice here... –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">H</span>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">T</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">D</span>]]''' 16:03, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
***Oh, I wasn't event talking about that.  The background stuff on the election system which is citable to other articles is of minor concern.  I was concerned about the larges swaths of text, about living persons and about the particulars of this election, which are entirely uncited.  If you got rid of all of the uncited text in these two articles, you'd be left with some tables and a few bare sentences and lists.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
****I see. Currently, in the [[Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2016]], the only section that has large swaths of text that involves people is the "Results" section, and every paragraph that I know of has at least one reference. As you've said, the "Electoral system" section doesn't need references, the "District changes" section has a citation for every new district created, the "Retiring and term limited incumbents" section is tucked away to another article, and I'm just waiting for the Commission on Elections to upload the party-list result so that could be done with.
****In the [[Philippine Senate election, 2016]], I've cited the large swaths of text involving politicians in the "Coalitions" section As for the "Term-limited and retiring incumbents", I'm waiting for the presidential and vice presidential election to have officially declared winners so I can cite who among them won and lost. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">H</span>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">T</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">D</span>]]''' 16:35, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''support''' now per improvements.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 18:19, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' added altblurb. I'd hide the big empty table until the results do come out - it doesn't give any information and just adds more page scrolls. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 18:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support.''' Articles sufficiently updated. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 05:42, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Marking''' as ready. The big table is no longer empty. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 16:54, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

==== RD: Marco Pannella ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Marco Pannella<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/marco-pannella-maverick-italian-postwar-politics-dies-39224300 ABC News]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The Rambling Man <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          =  Needs more sourcing.<!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Prominent Italian politician<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' for now.  Article is almost entirely unreferenced.  Length and depth are acceptable, but we can't post an article where the bulk has no refs.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 14:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Yep, my key problem is that most sources are in Italian, and my Italian is lame.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:19, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Ongoing: Fort McMurray wildfire ====
{{archive top|[[WP:SNOW|Not going to happen]]. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] (using his alt account [[user:Bencherheavy|Bencherheavy]]) 12:02, 19 May 2016 (UTC)}}
If [[User:Sca|Sca]] hadn't come to the talk page to bother, if not annoy or harass, administrators about the so-called tragic event, I wouldn't do this for him. (No offense, Sca, but that's how I see it.) <s>To be honest, I didn't want to nominate it ever, but my ethics wouldn't be strong enough to prevent this from being posted per ITN rules. Therefore, quality becomes the main concern, which is not my strong interest for ITN... unless I have no choice. I know that [[WP:Wikipedia is not censored|Wikipedia is not censored]], but I wonder why administrators like to put tragedies into the Ongoing section, like wildfires, airplane crashes, airport attacks, and attacks on a peaceful city. Nothing against administration discretion, but... never mind. As said before, personal feelings and ethics and morals are useless per ITN rules. Well, as I hate to admit,</s> <U>Anyway</u> the article has events of May 16 and May 18 since the delisting. I don't know whether that is enough to relist the tragic wildfire, but maybe we should do the same with other American wildfires... right? [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 06:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC) <small>Reluctantly modified post. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 10:14, 19 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' it's no longer in the news.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''oppose''' as the article [[2016 Fort McMurray Wildfire]] article is not getting significant updates. Nor is the event generating major news stories (they're mostly just local tickers). Also, [[user:George Ho|George Ho]] I would suggest depersonalising the nomination and making it solely about this event. If you want to discuss anything more general then [[WT:ITN]] is the appropriate venue. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:00, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:: Where is the rule against such... "personalization"? [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 09:20, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::: More importantly, why would you feel the need to personalise this in any case?  Are you trying to make a [[WP:POINT|point]]?  Take it up with Sca or to a talk page if you must.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::(ec) The 'rule' is that disputes with other editors should not be taken to this page; this page is to discuss the merits of nominations, not settle disagreements or disputes. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:23, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::: I tried discussing the discretion in the talk page, remember? I got the scolding. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 09:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::: Show me the policy or guideline, so I can strike it out. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 09:28, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::If you must see a policy, then here is [[WP:DR]]. Maybe more specifically [[WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:36, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::: I struck out the part about administrator discretion, but I want to leave in the first sentence (unless I feel pressured to strike it out) because I fear that the discussion started by Sca wasn't going anywhere. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 10:05, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::: I struck out also the part about mocking the "quality" criterion. What else shall I strike out? [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 10:14, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Article has not been receiving regular, substantive updates over a time frame that ''would'' make ongoing a good idea.  If there is a specific event regarding the wildfire that you'd like to see mentioned in a blurb, please feel free to nominate for that.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 10:47, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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==May 18==
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{{Portal:Current events/2016 May 18}}
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==== [Closed] Timothy Wiltsey "cold case" conviction ====
{{archive top|Not the sort of news that ITN handles. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] (using his alt account [[user:Bencherheavy|Bencherheavy]]) 13:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Timothy Wiltsey
| article2      = 
| image         =
| blurb         = Michelle Lodzinski is convicted of murdering her five-year-old son '''[[Timothy Wiltsey]]''' 25 years ago in New Jersey.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = 
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.yahoo.com/news/florida-woman-found-guilty-1991-murder-five-old-163513833.html Reuters], [http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-bc-us--cold-case-mother-20160518-story.html AP], [http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/05/18/michelle-lodzinski-guilty-murdering-son/84542028/ USA Today], [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/nyregion/woman-found-guilty-of-murder-in-1991-death-of-son-5-timothy-wiltsey.html NY Times]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Patrug
| updater       = Patrug
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          = <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
Nominator's comments: Long the primary suspect in Timothy Wiltsey's 1991 murder, despite a lack of direct evidence, his mother Michelle Lodzinski was finally tried and convicted in a successful "cold case" prosecution that attracted widespread media attention. —[[User:Patrug|Patrug]] ([[User talk:Patrug|talk]]) 12:38, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I don't see any reason to highlight this court case over all the other murder convictions going on worldwide. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:49, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. [[Hierarchy of death]]/dead baby syndrome.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 12:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' a parochial story with little or no wide-ranging impact outside of the immediate tabloid fascination with such cases.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:17, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] EgyptAir Flight 804 ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = EgyptAir Flight 804
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = EgyptAir Airbus A320 (SU-GCC) on finals at Ataturk Airport.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[EgyptAir Flight 804]]''', with 66 people on board, disappears over the Mediterranean en route from Paris to Cairo.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = 
| updated       =
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Lihaas<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <s>No article yes but news is just developing</s> Article under development<!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = 
| sign          =  <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Support''' - Aircraft missing with 66 on board, not likely to be a positive outcome. Major aircrashes generally get posted. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 04:30, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Aviation incidents like this are super rare. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 04:54, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for some reason I remember seeing this kind of incident on ITNR, but it's no longer there ... [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 05:23, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*:No, aircraft crashes have not been on ITNR.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:22, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' make sure the blurb is correct at time of posting (66 people on board per [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36309492 BBC]). [[User:Vesuvius Dogg|Vesuvius Dogg]] ([[User talk:Vesuvius Dogg|talk]]) 05:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::Some [[Daesh]] looney bin may well claim this,..[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 05:51, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Man, look at the time stamp since I called it. #policestate running its course? so eas to guess #falseflag[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 18:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' and marked as ready to go.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:24, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::Will post as soon as the image is auto-protected. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 08:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Sorry, forgot about that, but hopefully it'll be good to go in about two minutes.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:59, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' by Smurrayinchester. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:22, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

==== RD: Fritz Stern ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Fritz Stern
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/fritz-stern-gestorben-101.html Tagesschau], [http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/us-historiker-fritz-stern-ist-tot-a-1092898.html ''Spiegel'',] [https://www.yahoo.com/news/fritz-stern-prominent-history-academic-dead-age-90-145248792.html?ref=gs AP].
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Zwerg Nase <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Important historian, consultant to the US State Department, part of Thatcher's commission to evaluate if German reunification should be allowed.
| sign          = [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 13:33, 18 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Support''' for a '''blurb''' – For anyone interested in 20th century German history, Fritz Stern is a must-read. In January 1990, he trenchantly observed (in the ''New York Times''): "The moral sphere also needs a reciprocal recognition of crimes committed, and apologies offered and accepted." That process still is still going on. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:11, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' in any form, article is highly under-referenced.  Blurb not necessary in any case.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
::Added some to article, w/refs. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' article quality and length is not commensurate with his stated importance.  If this were cleaned up (mostly referencing issues) this could be posted easily.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 15:17, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''No blurb''' This is an RD case. But I agree it still needs work. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' regardless of quality - "retired professor dies aged 90" does not merit a blurb unless there is something more to it than that or there is exceptional public reaction. '''Oppose RD''' while there is only thin prose with missing citations. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 21:52, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 17==
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==== [Closed] Chibok kidnapping victim found ====
{{archivetop|Consensus against posting. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 09:52, 20 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Chibok schoolgirls kidnapping
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = One of the girls [[Chibok schoolgirls kidnapping|kidnapped in 2014]] by [[Boko Haram]] in [[Nigeria]] is found and reunited with her family.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       =[http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/18/africa/nigeria-chibok-girl-found/ CNN] [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36321249 BBC] [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/chibok-girl-found-in-nigeria-two-years-after-boko-haram-kidnap-of-276-schoolgirls-a7035706.html The Independent] [http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-nigeria-schoolgirls/bringbackourgirls-chibok-victim-found-nigeria-after-2-years-activist-says-n576056 NBC News]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Everymorning <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = This kidnapping got a huge amount of news attention when it happened in 2014, and this girl represents the first one to be found and rescued since the kidnapping happened. According to above NBC News link, the rescue has been confirmed by the Nigerian military in addition to the BringBackOurGirls activist group (the latter of which might be criticized as unreliable).
| sign          = [[User:Everymorning|Everymorning]] [[User talk:Everymorning|(talk)]] 14:52, 18 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Oppose''' – Non notable progress in the case. [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 15:03, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''.  If we post this finding of one of the girls, it would be hard to not post every instance of one of the girls being found.  If this was the last missing girl, that might merit posting, or if a large operation rescued a significant number of them, but not just one. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:08, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Baking Soda and 331dot. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:50, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] Ongoing: Iraqi civil war ====
{{archivetop|Consensus against posting an article onto ongoing that isn't regularly updated. Feel free to reopen if another relevant target does appear. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 09:49, 20 May 2016 (UTC)}}
On the May 17th current events template, the following news article is mentioned: "At least 44 people are killed and 90 injured in three bomb attacks in Baghdad, Iraq." The [[Iraqi civil war (2014–present)|Iraqi civil war]] article piped in the article leads to a 2016 timeline with a running ticker of serious events going on in Iraq, mostly localized around the capital city. The death toll is mounting and continues to mount. We can turn a blind eye to this no longer. This is a [[hot war]] and it needs to be posted as an "ongoing event".--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 17:41, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' problem is that the civil war article isn't updating with this, and the main sub-article, [[Timeline of the Iraq War (2016)]] seems to have just three entries for April and May combined.  Not exactly pulling up trees.... [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*The purpose of ongoing is to direct people to Wikipedia articles that cover ongoing events with timely information, where the events ''and updates to articles'' are coming too fast to have a reasonable blurb.  I'd not be opposed to a blurb about this one event, but as yet you have provided no article receiving timely, frequent, and well-written updates for us to direct readers to regarding the ongoing war.  As TRM notes, the two best targets don't seem to be receiving such ongoing updates.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 19:49, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
* This is not what ongoing was designed for. There are [[List of ongoing armed conflicts|several ongoing "hot wars"]], and many dozens of legitimately serious stories that have been bubbling in and out of the headlines for months or years ([[European migrant crisis]], [[Greek debt crisis]], [[2015–16 Zika virus epidemic]], [[2015–16 protests in Brazil]], [[2015-2016 Nepal humanitarian crisis]], [[Territorial disputes in the South China Sea]]...). We can't plausibly highlight all these (just look how full [[Portal:Current events/Sidebar]] is), and so we only use ongoing for stories that are so fast moving that they would be constantly generating blurbs (in theory, at least. European migrant crisis stuck around for many months, even after the article stopped being updated). People interested in a broader picture of what's happening in the world have the link to [[Portal:Current events]] right there on the main page. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 11:59, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== RD: Guy Clark ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Guy Clark
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.tennessean.com/story/entertainment/music/2016/05/17/guy-clark-dead-74/80932338/ The Tennesseean]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Teemu08 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Grammy Award-winning singer-songwriter known for his influence on the [[outlaw country]] genre
| sign          = [[User:Teemu08|Teemu08]] ([[User talk:Teemu08|talk]]) 17:27, 17 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' because the career section is under-referenced, as is the entirety of the discog section (chart positions etc).  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:25, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 16==
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==== [Posted] RD: Emilio ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Emilio Navaira<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/grammy-winning-tejano-star-emilio-navaira-dies-texas-39166259 ABC News], [http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/entertainment/tejano-music-star-emilio/2793322.html Channel News Asia], [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/emilio-navaira-tejano-music-legend-dies-from-massive-heart-attack-aged-53-a7034111.html The Independent]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Tejano music legend. I've noted one glaringly obvious omission from the article (that's in the cats, but not in prose). Once that's fixed, this is good.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 14:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Weak support''' A few cn tags need cleaning up.  The article could possibly be expanded a bit in a few places; the last 8 years of his life and career is entirely undocumented there, as well as anything between 1997-2008.  The current way the article is written, about 1/4th of the prose deals with a single car accident in 2008; that creates [[WP:UNDUE]] and balance issues that could best be remedied by fleshing out the rest of his career, which has to be more a more important part of his life story than a single car wreck late in his career.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 14:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for an eminent musician, his article seems to focus entirely elsewhere, the music is secondary... [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:29, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' to RD.  This is near stale, and will be taken off RD tomorrow, and still has some weaknesses mentioned by Jayron and TRM, but posting for 1 day as a bit of a reward for those who improved the article since the nomination. Article isn't in fantastic shape but adequate for RD. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 15:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Indeed, a good use of IAR, the discog section is entirely unreferenced and marked as such, but I suppose some improvement is better than none and that's what the trial is all about. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Man Booker International Prize====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Man Booker International Prize#2016<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = The Vegetarian <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = File:HanKang.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <nowiki />'''[[The Vegetarian]]''', written by [[Han Kang]] ''(pictured)'' and translated by [[Deborah Smith (translator)|Deborah Smith]], wins the '''[[Man Booker International Prize#2016|Man Booker International Prize]]'''.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36303604 BBC News], [http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/man-booker-international-2016-han-kang-and-british-translator-win-prize-for-the-vegetarian-a7032911.html The Independent], [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/briton-wins-man-booker-international-prize-for-korean-translatio/ The Telegraph]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = yes<!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Dharmadhyaksha<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = Nairspecht<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = New format this year. The prize no longer awards an author's body of work; instead the author and translator are both awarded for one work. Could do with a bit more prose.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 22:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> current target, as the amount of information about this specific story is no more in depth than the current prose.  Though if either the work had an article (it doesn't) which was of appropriate length OR if we highlighted her biography article (and it was expanded to contain a reasonable amount of prose about the work and the prize) I could support this.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 01:40, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' novel as new target.  Looks good!  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 09:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> Same reasoning as Jayron32, we need a significant discussion, whether at Kang's page or as a new article on the book itself, even if its not the featured link. It might be possible to borrow from the foreign wikis to do this. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 03:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
** Post-posting support as the book article was sufficiently expanded. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I chose the prize article because it had a good description of the new format, however I'm open to switching to the article about the book. Han's article is okay - mentions the book and prize - but more importantly, only highlights half the win (the writing, not the translation). Though I'd very much like to be proved wrong, I don't think an article about [[Deborah Smith (translator)|a 28 year-old Brit working on Twitter]] can be expanded past a stub. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 13:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
** It's not a problem if the prize article remains the target for the blurb, its just that we need more on the book somewhere, and obviously the prize article is not the place for that. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

*'''Comment''': Have updated and bolded the novel beyond stub. I suppose that should be acceptable to pass this. §§[[User:Dharmadhyaksha|<i style="color:#E0115F;"><b>Dharmadhyaksha</b></i>]]§§ <small>{[[User talk:Dharmadhyaksha|Talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Dharmadhyaksha|Edits]]}</small> 05:43, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
::I've also added a bit to the prize article. Pinging [[User:Masem|Masem]] to ask if they have any other objections. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 12:44, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. The article on the novel now reaches our minimum requirements. It's on ITNR and we now have a postable article. Marking [ready]. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:52, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 15==
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==== [Posted] Youngest F1 winner ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 Spanish Grand Prix
| article2      = Max Verstappen
| image         = File:Max Verstappen 2014 cropped.jpg
| blurb         = 18-year old '''[[Max Verstappen]]''' becomes the youngest ever driver to win a [[Formula One]] race by winning the '''[[2016 Spanish Grand Prix]]'''.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = 18-year old '''[[Max Verstappen]]''' becomes the youngest ever driver and the first Dutchman to win a [[Formula One]] race by winning the '''[[2016 Spanish Grand Prix]]'''.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2016/may/15/f1-spanish-gp-live-lewis-hamilton-nico-rosberg The Guardian]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = yes
| nominator     = Zwerg Nase <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Zwerg Nase
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Articles will be updated in a second. I will write the race report. Apart from that, the race article is in very good shape.
| sign          = [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 13:50, 15 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' - broke Vettel's record by a good 2 years. Unlikely this record will be broken for a very long time. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 14:17, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Trivial record, unless I'm missing how his age affected the race. First Dutchman, too. If he'd broken the time record, that'd be something. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 14:27, [[May 15]], [[2016]] (UTC)
::{{reply|InedibleHulk}} I do not quite understand what you mean by ''time record''? [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 14:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Me neither. I'd figured racing was a matter of getting across a finish line, over and over. But now I see it's somethig about points. Excuse my ignorance and replace "time record" with whatever measure would make him objectively better than the last guy. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 15:22, [[May 15]], [[2016]] (UTC)
::::He won the race, which makes him better than the others in that particular race. Nothing more to say there. But he was the youngest to be the fastest in a race, a record unlikely to be beaten any time soon, considering that with new regulations, no other driver will be allowed to enter the sport at the age that he did. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 15:26, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::I may still be mistaken, but I ''think'' I might be talking about a [[fastest lap]]. If he breaks the record for most in one season, I might be impressed. Unless that doesn't actually mean he's consistently driving fastest. Probably best to just forget I said anything. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 15:42, [[May 15]], [[2016]] (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This goes back to a ITN/C a few weeks ago, I think the election of the mayor of London, and my logic there that posting "The first X to Y" when we would not normally post Y is problematic.  If the Spanish Grand Prix was an ITNR, I would see no problem calling out the age of the driver as part of the blurb, but here, that Grand Prix is not ITNR, so we're resting the weight of this story on the interesting fact about his age. That makes it perfect for DYK, but not ITN. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' If we're going to highlight something from this race I'd go with the Mercedes crash. This sort of vindicates Red Bull's decision to promote him but I'd agree with Masem, in that this is otherwise trivial and more suited to DYK. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 14:55, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - since it's a dual record, first Dutch winner ever (add this to the blurb!) and youngest winner by a mile. If it was a couple of weeks, fine, but this is almost three years, and pretty damn unlikely to be beaten any time soon. [[Special:Contributions/131.251.254.154|131.251.254.154]] ([[User talk:131.251.254.154|talk]]) 15:14, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
::I'd say first Dutchman is really not quite a great achievement. Where you were born (he actually holds a Belgian passport and only later got a Dutch one) makes no difference to driving a race car. Age and experience does. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 15:19, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
:::It does. If you were born in a country with an impressive F1 record, you're are much more likely to get proper training when you happen to be talented. (Even so, I agree that it is much less important than his age; see below.) [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach]] ([[User talk:Steinbach|talk]]) 20:42, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Note''' I know, it is not absolutely relevant, but we posted [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/September 2008|the previous time this happened]], when Vettel won Italy 2008. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 18:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
::It was a darker time, and it appeared needed to lighten the mood. Today, good news is already leading bad news 5-1, and even the bad news article is just the anonymous, statistical sort of grim. Hooray! [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 20:10, [[May 16]], [[2016]] (UTC)
*'''Support''' posting the youngest part. F1 is widely recognized as the top event across motorsports, and breaking this sort of record by this much is really impressive. Also, motorsport entires never get posted outside the end-of-the-year champions. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 20:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Formula One is a "team sport" but also one where the individual effort is much more visible than in soccer or baseball, for example. He is only just old enough to drive unaccompanied in his own country, the country where he won the race, and most countries in the world. This is the end of an eight-year-record, so it's not something that will be re-entering the ITN panel too often.  And for a completely trivial point, the government of [[Niger]] would consider him incompetent to drive a car for the next five years of his life. But Dutch winner, no that is trvia [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 20:34, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{reply|The Almightey Drill}} Had he won in the US, he would not even have been allowed to drink the winner's champagne... [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 20:49, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
:::{{reply|Zwerg Nase}}, well I do remember Vettel being 23 and not being allowed to drink in Turkey after winning due to a new law. But, discussion of Turkey's new political positions can wait for another day!
*'''Support''' This victory is comparable with Leicester City winning the Premier League: it is against all odds, it just shouldn't be possible. The fact that he is the first ever Dutch winner can be mentioned in the passing, even though that is much less remarkable than his age. [[User:Steinbach|Steinbach]] ([[User talk:Steinbach|talk]]) 20:42, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' the backstory makes this more than your average F1 win story.  Plus it's a shedload more significant than whoever wins the Monaco GP or the Indy 500.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''support''' - like it nor not, this is notable and historic.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 21:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article looks to be in decent shape.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 00:24, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' - per Masem. Only thing is that some of the blurbs currently featured are rather old, and so this could still be worth posting for freshness. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 00:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This is an interesting and significant record indeed, which doesn't get broken very often.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 07:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
::''Relatively'' not often. Happened three times in the last thirteen years and [[List of Formula One driver records#Youngest winners|at least]] ten times in the [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufc-198-stipe-miocic-beats-fabricio-werdum-cris-cyborg-justino-wins/ half-century] since Cleveland last won anything. And a national championship that someone ''must'' win every year is only relatively prestigious next to a world championship that depends on someone beating the best. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 11:12, [[May 16]], [[2016]] (UTC)
:::64 years, not 50.  And what does this have to do with Cleveland?  The nominations are independent.  This is a global sport we're talking about.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:21, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Fifty years since Cleveland's losing record started, I mean. Breaking this one is relatively common. F1's more of a European thing, and MMA is more a North and South American one. So the significance is relative to where we're from, too. If I'd nominated Miocic's while North Americans were generally awake, it may have fared better. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 11:29, [[May 16]], [[2016]] (UTC)
:::::It was 100% opposed by mostly American editors.  And if (on average) once every six years is "relatively common" then I'll eat my hat.  The Cleveland superstition thing is great tabloid stuff, this is much more the real deal.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:35, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Six years ''is'' common, relative to fifty. I'll take your word that you even wear a hat. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 11:52, [[May 16]], [[2016]] (UTC) 
::::::::Not when around 100 races take place every six or so years.  You probably need to drop the Cleveland stick, you should know that a superstition doesn't belong on the main page of Wikipedia.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::The superstition part only regards ''why'' they hadn't won in so long. The skid itself was undeniably real. I personally think it had to do with not playing well enough. Boring and true. Stick's dropped, though. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 12:00, [[May 16]], [[2016]] (UTC)  
::::::A weird comparison. You take an alleged "curse" (ridicuolous in itself) that apparently involves their major sports team (all exclusively American sports nonetheless), and fabricate the curse ''broken'' by a MMA fighter? Where is there even a connection?! But well, that nomination was closed, and rightly so. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 11:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Fabricated, maybe, but not by me. It's in the news, regardless of In The News. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 11:52, [[May 16]], [[2016]] (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. I don't think this is particularly noteworthy. It's just a piece of trivia from an ordinary race. Post the winner of the F1 season etc, but not this. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 13:21, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Two records in one blurb. Go, go, go! '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 14:07, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this seems more suited as a DYK entry. [[User:ZettaComposer|ZettaComposer]] ([[User talk:ZettaComposer|talk]]) 19:26, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
*10.5 + and 5.5 - and still not posted? [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 01:44, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' given that nominations for [[Lydia Ko]]'s numerous "youngest ever" achievements have been consistently rejected here on the basis that ITN doesn't post "youngest ever" achievements. For example, a quote from November 2015: " "Youngest to win" is really only an interesting enough tidbit to mention in passing." Why the double standard here?? [[User:MurielMary|MurielMary]] ([[User talk:MurielMary|talk]]) 09:26, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
::1) Very few people care about women golf compared to F1, 2) Rule changes mean this record can't be broken again unless the rules are changed again. [[Special:Contributions/131.251.254.154|131.251.254.154]] ([[User talk:131.251.254.154|talk]]) 10:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
::That nomination was about an award, other comments included: "We virtually never post individual sporting awards in any sport ", "This golf award is honorary", "We practically never post individual sporting awards, including much better known awards.", "we wouldn't post the men's equivalent award for the same reason"... so it's easy to cry foul and present only one aspect of the debate. P.S. And when you say Ko's achievements have been "consistently rejected", could you link me to each of them please, just for my interest.  Cheers. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
::[[User:MurielMary|MurielMary]], can you provide links to where Ko has had multiple nominations that have been consistently rejected please? [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 23:26, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Removed] Remove "Fort McMurray wildfire" from Main Page? ====
{{archive top|Removed. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 04:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)}}
I know that the [[2016 Fort McMurray wildfire]] has been ongoing. However, the response two days ago by Justin Trudeau was just thanking the community for trying to wither the current wildfire. The May 9 update was just statistics. Anything else after May 7... I don't see any other. Unrelated, but if [[2016 Brussels bombings]] was delisted per consensus, this one might. The addition by administrator was... I can't say negative about it for fear of being retaliated, but I've said much already. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 09:18, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' {{replyto|George Ho}} it was agreed (again) only a few days ago that if an event is or might be still ongoing when its blurb falls off the bottom of the list that it is correct to add it to ongoing. Removal can be discussed at any subsequent point, but that discussion must not be initiated with an assumption of bad faith about the addition - your final sentence is wholly unnecessary and I would encourage you to remove it with apologies. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''remove'''. There have been no significant updates to this story since the 13th, and that was just the routine-for-these-sorts-of-events visit by a national leader, and I'm not seeing any significant news coverage from outside the region since then. If it flares up again and threatens somewhere significant then I think a new blurb would be in order. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
* You're allowed to say I made a bad decision! My reasoning was a) there's a current event tag on the article, b) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_Fort_McMurray_wildfire&type=revision&diff=720315657&oldid=719981223 there's been a fair bit of editing in the last 48 hours] (including a 20% increase in the number of buildings destroyed), c) it's still in the news (residents are just starting to return) and d) it felt strange bumping it for Eurovision. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 10:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – As news it seems to be over. Even the CBC carries only one [http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/app-released-for-fort-mcmurray-evacuees-to-survey-wildfire-damage-1.3583052 story] – about an app using satellite images to document damage. Though dramatic, it wasn't so extensive as the wildfires in Western U.S. states last summer. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:56, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Remove''' for now, with the note that the addition to ongoing was fully warranted when it happened, and the admin who did so deserves to be commended for wise judgement. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 00:24, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Removed''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 00:31, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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==May 14==
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==== European Rugby Champions Cup ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 European Rugby Champions Cup Final<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = In [[rugby union]], [[Saracens RFC|Saracens]] defeat [[Racing 92]] to win the '''[[2016 European Rugby Champions Cup Final|European Rugby Champions Cup]]'''.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The Rambling Man <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Jayron32<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' on article quality, given that as I write this it has more about the ticket price than about the actual match.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 18:31, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Fo sho.  If I had more quality time here, I'd do something about it, but as it's ITNR, I thought I'd just remind the community that it needs to be addressed.  Feel free to join in.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:43, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*::Try to remember that. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 19:55, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::Try to do something useful.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:01, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' some work has now been done on the match summary.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:00, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''very weak support''' the current prose about the match is the bare minimum (1 paragraph supported by a single source) but I'd really prefer something more in depth. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''<s>Oppose</s>''' I'd expect more prose on the background, like [[2015 European Rugby Champions Cup Final|last year's final]]. I'll look into it when I get time later. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 13:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
::I've expanded the article, with a couple of caveats: The background is still quite short and the route to the final is indirectly sourced. The match summary now has more than one source. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 18:13, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': the article is still bare bones, with one source on the match and a stub section. Needs work. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:54, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': Pinging {{re|Iridescent|Modest Genius}} to reassess this article, which will roll off in 12 hours. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 12:24, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

==== RD: Christy O'Connor Snr ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Christy O'Connor Snr<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.independent.ie/sport/golf/taoiseach-enda-kenny-leads-tributes-to-himself-as-christy-oconnor-senior-91-passes-away-34714679.html Irish Independent], [http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/irish-golfer-christy-o-connor-senior-has-died-aged-91-1.2648431 Irish Times], [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/14/golfer-christy-oconnor-dies-ryder-cup The Guardian]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Tewapack<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Irish golfer. World Golf Hall of Famer, "Himself" dies at the age of 91. <small>(Suffix is used to avoid confusion with [[Christy O'Connor Jnr|his nephew]], who died at the start of the year).<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 14:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC) </small><!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''support''' - top of field in his sport in his days.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 14:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''support on improvements'''. During the trial importance is not a criterion for RD, but I would support on those grounds if it were. Currently the only requirement is an article of sufficient quality, and while it is nearly there it needs more references and while not essential more prose would not go amiss. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 14:37, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' based on Thryduulf's concerns.  This is underwhelming, particularly for such a "World Golf Hall of Famer".  Given the number of titles listed at the end of the article, I would expect to see more prose about at least some of the more notable/interesting of those.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:10, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' have expanded and added more references. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 10:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
::Pinging {{re|Thryduulf|The Rambling Man}} to ask if they have any additional concerns. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 10:01, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Source 11 which is used, seemingly, to reference every single element in the "Tournament wins" section contains almost none of the information within the "Tournament wins" section, nor do the results match the source (24 vs 23 etc).  More work required on sourcing.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 06:39, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Additionally, only the final sentence of the "Early life" section looks referenced. The same source could be used I think to reference the rest of that section (and probably is intended to) but it's not clear whether it is being used to do that or not - make it explicit if it is. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
::::[[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]]: I beg to differ. From [http://www.worldgolfhalloffame.org/christy-oconnor/?tab=achievements source 11], the table in the article falls under 'European Tour' and the other two headings split 'Additional wins'. The scorecards in the table are indirectly sourced to each linked tournament article. I will concede that one listed win is missing from the table (1970 [[Bowmaker Tournament]]), because our article on the tournament has a conflicting winner, but unless you have evidence to suggest otherwise, his other wins are sourced. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 12:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Then a footnote should be added to explain why the table differs from the only source. Relying on other articles to do your sourcing is also unwise.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Done. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 13:01, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
::::[[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]]: [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/15/christy-o-connor-sr-obituary The Guardian obit] (ref 1), like DYK, covers the entire paragraph. I am unaware that ITN, or Wikipedia in general, has a "one cite per sentence/fact" policy. Unless there's something contentious content-wise (please point it out), I don't see a need to change this. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 12:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Eurovision Song Contest 2016 ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Eurovision Song Contest 2016
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         =ESC2016 winner's press conference 01.jpg
| blurb         = '''[[Jamala]]''' ''(pictured)'' from Ukraine wins the '''[[Eurovision Song Contest 2016]]''' with the song "[[1944 (song)|1944]]".
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
|      updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = BabbaQ <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
|     nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 09:47, 14 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Support''' [[iff]] the blurb mentions that the winner is a non-gay/trans/minority type of person. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 17:54, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:*You are funny.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 17:57, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:*Pathetic.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:02, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Aha! So ''this'' is why [[User:BabbaQ|you]]'ve [[Scout Motto|written]] and improved all those singer-articles. :) [[User:W.carter|<em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter</em>]]<small>[[User talk:W.carter|'''<em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk</em>''']]</small> 20:00, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Once that format mess is cleaned up, but that will undoubtedly happen in a second. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 22:43, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. You can always rely on our very dedicated Eurovision editors to get articles into shape quickly. I based the blurb on [[Wikipedia:Main Page history/2015 May 25|last year's]] for consistency.  [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 07:42, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''post posting support and comment''' This is an extremely good article about a recent event and shows what can be done with some effort. I would love to see even a tenth of the prose here on many of the sports competitions which get nominated at ITN. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:49, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I remember saying something about only the winners mattering when Romania was booted. I should stand by that. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 08:42, [[May 15]], [[2016]] (UTC)

==== [Closed] Cleveland curse broken ====
{{archive top|1=That's a no then. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:39, 15 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Cleveland sports curse
| article2      = Stipe Miocic
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Stipe Miocic]] wins the [[UFC Heavyweight Championship]] in [[Curitiba]], breaking the 51-year-old [[Cleveland sports curse]].
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[Cleveland, Ohio]] celebrates its first champion since the [[Cleveland Browns]] in [[1964 NFL Championship Game|1964]]
| altblurb2     = [[ESPN]] airs a ''[[30 for 30]]'' documentary about the [[Cleveland sports curse]], which is broken three hours later at [[UFC 198]]
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/ufc-198-stipe-miocic-puts-an-end-to-cleveland-s-52-year-championship-curse-051516 FOX Sports], [http://mmajunkie.com/2016/05/what-does-stipe-miocic-think-of-ending-clevelands-championship-curse-at-ufc-198 MMAJunkie], [http://www.cbssports.com/general/news/cleveland-finally-wins-a-championship-stipe-miocic-takes-ufc-heavyweight-title/ CBS Sports]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = yes
| nominator     = InedibleHulk <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Sort of local, but this curse is sort of national, and the event was international. Long time, too. And '''no''', this isn't an MMA story. It's a Cleveland story.
| sign          = [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 08:21, [[May 15]], [[2016]] (UTC) 08:21, 15 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' I don't think encyclopedias should report on superstitions.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. The [[Cleveland sports curse]] (is that the article we are meant to be evaluating? the blurbs are very unclear) article lead strongly implies that it is only talking about the Baseball, NFL and Basketball teams and last I looked UFC was none of those meaning the curse hasn't actually been broken. The article is, confused, chatty in places and not encyclopaedic in tone. I also want to explicitly oppose altblurb2 even more strongly - we are not here to advertise what any one TV channel shows or does not show. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:29, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as spurious. The nature of the Cleveland sports curse is in my view extremely dubious. The Cleveland Cavaliers have won two conference titles (including the 2015 conference title) and five division titles. A soccer franchise based in Cleveland was successful in the 90s. A UFC win would not break the curse in any case. [[FC Barcelona]] winning the [[2015–16 La Liga]] title is a more promising candidate for promotion in my view. [[User:Capitalistroadster|Capitalistroadster]] ([[User talk:Capitalistroadster|talk]]) 09:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
::Conference and division championships are nice, but they're not quite the top. American soccer in the '90s wasn't a major sport. The La Liga article could use a mention of what sport it is in the lead. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 12:36, [[May 15]], [[2016]] (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''.  I find calling this "Cleveland wins a championship" dubious(even if that's what the sources are saying) given that this is dealing with an individual sport.  Miocic won the championship, not the city of Cleveland. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:27, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
::I didn't say Cleveland won it, and wouldn't say so if the Cavaliers win, either. The important thing is a notoriously disappointed city finally has someone to celebrate. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 12:36, [[May 15]], [[2016]] (UTC)
:::I didn't say you said it, I said that the sources are saying it,including the CBS link above. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:37, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
:::I have no problem saying that with the Cavs, as they are a team representing the city. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:40, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
::::A source saying something doesn't mean the blurb or articles have to. Judge those on their own. According to Miocic's teammates, he [https://www.facebook.com/StrongStyleMMA/posts/10154770908674338 represents Cleveland with every fiber of his body.] They wear it proud, too. If they didn't, we wouldn't be talking about it. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 13:27, [[May 15]], [[2016]] (UTC) 
*'''Oppose''' - there've been many disappointments on national level (e.g. Denmark has never won the Thomas Cup, despite making the finals many times). Why would a disappointment at city level be worth posting? [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 13:18, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
::Because it's been the losingest major market in North America, across all major sports. Denmark's won a few games since 1964. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 13:27, [[May 15]], [[2016]] (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' The curse only applies to MLB, NFL, and NBA. Less popular sports aren't included, for example the MI S L Cleveland Force won several championships but not was to have considered breaking the curse. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
::That's because American soccer is way less popular than UFC. You can say you don't approve, but you can't say this doesn't count. That's for the reliable sources to decide. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] [[User_Talk:InedibleHulk|(talk)]] 13:52, [[May 15]], [[2016]] (UTC) 
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==== [Posted] RD: Dick McAuliffe ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Dick McAuliffe<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2016/05/16/detroit-tigers-dick-mcauliffe/84462170/ Detroit Free Press], [http://www.espn.co.uk/mlb/story/_/id/15567078/dick-mcauliffe-detroit-tigers-great-dies-76 ESPN], [http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2016/05/16/dick-mcauliffe-member-tigers-title-team-dies/84465708/ The Detroit News]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = American baseball second baseman/shortstop.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 03:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Weak support''' - Prince was featured as blurb despite some bad quality. This article has a couple or few unsourced sentences. Nevertheless, good job. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 06:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' contingent on the claim which I've just marked [cn] being referenced, making POV statements like "take the radical step" without refs isn't acceptable.   What this has to do with the posting of the Prince article is beyond me. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:04, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' when the statement highlighted by TRM is cited or removed. I too am utterly baffled about what connection there is between the RD proposal for the death by old age of an American baseball player/manager and the blurb for the sudden death and unexpected death of an international superstar musician. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:34, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I can cite Smith's unusual step to move Stanley's position but I'm struggling to find one for McAuliffe's "calming influence". Pinging [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]], who knows more about baseball than me. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 17:25, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
**Hmm. I do not know of him. This info can either be sourced or removed. Let me look. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*::Note, I've provided two references that discuss the move by Smith of Stanley from CF to SS during a World Series as being an unusual move, and one in which was also a major event during the 1968 WS.  I can provide more if needed.  '''Support''' FWIW, the article seems good enough now.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 17:34, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Jayron fixing it before I could check into it myself. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:35, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

====[Posted] RD: Sammy Ellis ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sammy Ellis<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.espn.co.uk/mlb/story/_/id/15552145/former-big-league-pitcher-sammy-ellis-dies-age-75 ESPN], [http://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/la-sp-angels-report-20160516-story.html LA Times], [http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/former-pitcher-coach-sammy-ellis-75-dies-in-temple-terrace/2277517 Tampa Bay Times]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = American baseball pitcher and coach.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 20:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Weak support''' - Good work on it despite one or two uncited statements. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 06:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' contingent on the [cn]s being resolved.  Glad to see we're not incorrectly rushing to upload images of these individuals.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:07, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' Article is fairly short, but not too short so as to prevent main page inclusion.  I've fixed the cn issues. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 09:00, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' per Jayron32, but note that the last sentence of the "Professional career" section needs a citation (I've just tagged it). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Got it.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 10:22, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:29, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Pull''' Not in the top of his field nor a widely recognized/-able individual. [[Special:Contributions/46.198.191.228|46.198.191.228]] ([[User talk:46.198.191.228|talk]]) 11:24, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
::Note that we are currently testing the idea of posting any deceased person who merits an article, as long as article quality is adequate.  Please see [[WT:ITN]] for more information. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:33, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
:::This is indeed a bio that wouldn't have been posted prior to the trial. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:14, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
::::And look, for someone who we would have deemed unsuitable for main page inclusion, 12k hits in a day! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

==== Venezuelan state of emergency ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 state of emergency in Venezuela
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Venezuelan President [[Nicolás Maduro]] declares a sixty-day '''[[2016 state of emergency in Venezuela|state of emergency in the country]]'''.
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35329617 BBC], [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/14/venezuela-president-declares-60-day-state-of-emergency-blaming-us-for-instability Guardian], [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKCN0Y501X Reuters]
| nominator     = Brandmeister <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| note          = Btw, happened on [[Friday the 13th]].
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   14:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''support''' - important and escalation of events in the country.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 14:17, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''.  I don't think I would say I oppose this but is this really that surprising given the nature of the government there? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
**I think states of emergencies are ITN-worthy, provided there's enough info. Regardless of how Maduro might explain it, that may entail some unpleasant stuff by the very definition of the state of emergency. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   14:29, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as excellently argued by Brandmeister. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 14:34, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' but some of the grammar would benefit from improving and the last sentence of the lead "The last state of emergency happened last year at near Colombian border for suspending constitutional guarantees." seems to be missing some key words. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 14:40, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''; you wouldn't know it from some of the more hysterical reporting or from the Wikipedia article but this is an economic, not a military, state of emergency, and "state of emergency" in this context means temporary tax increases and limits on the transfer of currency out of the country, not tanks on the streets. The language may be more overblown than usual, but this kind of thing is fairly routine in any country experiencing rapid changes in the inflation rate.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 14:49, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*:An economic state of emergency is still a state of emergency. For comparison we posted [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2016#.5BPosted.5D_U.S._Blizzard_.28redux.29|the January US Blizzard]] that also led to a non-military state of emergency. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:37, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
***An economic state of emergency is a routine mechanism for allowing a government/president to temporarily freeze assets and/or vary tax and spending rates without parliamentary/congressional approval. "State of emergency" isn't a magic phrase which makes a topic as newsworthy as a natural disaster or a military crisis; there are currently [[International Emergency Economic Powers Act#Current subjects of IEEPA emergencies|30 different active economic states of emergency in the US alone]].&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 08:12, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::When was the last time an economic state of emergency involving freezing of assets and / or varied tax rates without congressional approval was declared by the US government? The states of emergency you gave aren't states of emergency on a national level. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 13:28, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*::::1971–73 was the last time crisis rules were imposed by decree nationwide and across all sectors in the US, but it happens on a fairly regular basis in Europe, most notoriously in Greece and Ireland a couple of years ago, while in parts of Latin America (particularly Argentina) "state of emergency" is pretty much the default setting. An economic emergency is really not a big deal, particularly in a country like Venezuela which is heavily exposed to fluctuations in the oil price; it's just a fancy way of saying "tax revenues are lower than expected so we need to either make some cuts or raise more money and can't wait until the next budget is due".&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 18:45, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Iridescent, this seem a combination of trying to prevent the economy from falling out too much and a bit of political weight, but nothing like a military or natural disaster emergency. The articles note they called one about 6 months, so it's not an infrequent tool used there. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 15:23, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> – Article needs major improvements , not clear from article that it is an economic state of emergency, scant on details. [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 16:31, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
::'''Support''' on notability only. If article is properly expanded, suggest [[2014–16 Venezuelan protests]] also be included in blurb. [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 18:49, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

==== RD: Baba Hardev Singh ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Baba Hardev Singh
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nirankari-mission-head-baba-hardev-singh-dies-in-canada-car-crash/1/667325.html India Today]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = 117.221.124.176 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Famous spiritual leader.
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/117.221.124.176|117.221.124.176]] ([[User talk:117.221.124.176|talk]]) 17:44, 13 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' stub.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:30, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*{{ec}} '''Needs significant expansion''' the article is only barely above a stub, and a large proportion of the "Spiritual career" section is not even about him (I also had to read that section several times before understanding it). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 19:31, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - stub.--[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 23:04, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 12==
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==== [Posted] RD: Mike Agostini ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Mike Agostini<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/more-sports/former-champion-sprinter-mike-agostini-has-died-at-the-age-of-81/news-story/929d54f89ee4d34b8401483974a37e7c The Daily Telgraph], [http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,227755.html Trinidad and Tobago Newsday], [http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20160514/sports/lionheart Trinidad Express]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Dharmadhyaksha<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Trinidadian sprinter.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 16:06, 17 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Quality looks sufficient to me. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''' as updater. I did not nominate it because I thought it would be stale by now as more people keep dying! §§[[User:Dharmadhyaksha|<i style="color:#E0115F;"><b>Dharmadhyaksha</b></i>]]§§ <small>{[[User talk:Dharmadhyaksha|Talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Dharmadhyaksha|Edits]]}</small> 05:58, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:58, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted to RD] RD: Susannah Mushatt Jones ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Susannah Mushatt Jones<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/worlds-oldest-person-susannah-mushatt-jones-dies-at-116/ CBS News], [http://www.smh.com.au/world/worlds-oldest-person-dies-in-new-york-20160513-gouqdq.html SMH], [http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/13/worlds-oldest-person-susannah-mushatt-jones-dies-at-age-of-116 The Guardian]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = African-American supercentenarian. World's verified oldest person dies at the age of 116.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 11:33, 13 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support for blurb only'''.  The death of the confirmed world's oldest person seems like something we'd need to explain, and this seems like the sort of death, because of the particulars, that is better suited for a blurb than RD.  Article has no glaring errors.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 12:36, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Article looks good on references, and as Jayron says, makes far more sense as a blurb. [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 13:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support <s>blurb</s>''' – Per previous. Would be good to have a [https://www.flickr.com/photos/57497652@N04/24658759844/in/photolist-Dz1AcN-vMGBpY photo.] [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:34, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' It's not significant that an old person died, and it is not a hugely uncommon or significant event. Posting this would lower standards for death blurbs immensely, and I'd rather not have consensus that every oldest person death should be posted. [[User:Nohomersryan|Nohomersryan]] ([[User talk:Nohomersryan|talk]]) 15:27, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
::<sup>How about a separate category for when the oldest Californian dies? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)</sup>
::Not every oldest person.  Just those with good enough articles.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:36, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' per Nohomersryan. If it was the oldest person ever, that's one thing, but the death of the oldest currently living person is too common and predictable. Some years, we'd be posting this story two or three times. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 16:47, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:*She's the second to last 1800s person and the last 1800s American. Did we post any semi-trivia like that with the last World War One veterans? [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 17:11, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' this was marked "ready for RD" but I don't see enough opinions expressed about RD for there to be a consensus. As of this timestamp there is also no consensus for or against a blurb but I don't think discussion has yet concluded. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:23, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*This should be posted to RD per the current trial.  It's been my experience that this sort of thing is not generally posted as a blurb, and even had a hard time under the traditional RD process(as being old is not considered a "field") but given the trial, can easily be posted that way. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:43, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' RD only, old person dies, and tomorrow, another old person dies, etc, so blurb is out for me.  Article is interesting and detailed enough for passing per the trial.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:01, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
::OK, just RD then. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 01:06, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Marking it as ready; making the oldest person's name posted for the first time in this trial, if not ever. Quality superb; information adequate. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 01:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' - notable enough per highest age.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 14:18, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. Discussion about a blurb can continue, but consensus is leaning against. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 14:48, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
::Good work by [[User:I am One of Many|One of Many]] in scarfing up the photo cited Friday. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 18:00, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Dilma Rousseff suspended ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Impeachment process against Dilma Rousseff
| article2      = Dilma Rousseff
| image         = File:Dilma Rousseff - foto oficial 2011-01-09.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[President of Brazil]] [[Dilma Rousseff]] ''(pictured)'' is suspended after both houses of the [[National Congress of Brazil|National Congress]] '''[[Impeachment process against Dilma Rousseff|vote to impeach her]]'''.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[President of Brazil]] [[Dilma Rousseff]] ''(pictured)'' is suspended after the [[Senate of Brazil|Senate]] votes to open an '''[[Impeachment process against Dilma Rousseff|impeachment process against her]]'''.
| altblurb2     = [[President of Brazil]] [[Dilma Rousseff]] ''(pictured)'' is suspended after both houses of the [[National Congress of Brazil|National Congress]] vote to begin an '''[[Impeachment of Dilma Rousseff|impeachment trial against her]]'''.
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36273916 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Smurrayinchester <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = This was nominated when the lower house voted for it, but consensus was to wait until the Senate voted. And now it has.
| sign          = [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 09:57, 12 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''<s>Conditional</s> Support''' <s>pending update and once the copyedit tag goes away.</s> [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   10:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on the merits, now that both houses have voted. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:09, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' alt blurb. Significant political event, and her suspension seems to be the right moment to post it. We can of course post again if she is found guilty, but that's months (years?) away. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:41, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::I believe she is suspended for 180 days(which is when the trial is supposed to occur). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*She technically hasn't been impeached yet, just suspended; see [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/world/americas/impeachment-dilma-rousseff-brazil-clinton.html this New York Times article] for instance. [[User:Shoy|shoy]] <small>([[User talk:Shoy|reactions]])</small> 12:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:*I would '''support''' altblurb 1 or 2 btw. [[User:Shoy|shoy]] <small>([[User talk:Shoy|reactions]])</small> 16:41, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.  Though we need to be careful about language (in Brazil "impeachment" only occurs if she is convicted in her "impeachment trial"), and I would like to see a few more updates to the target article.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 12:36, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' added image. That the blurbs are longer than what has recently been added to the article betrays a lack of detail. At very least, it should include [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-36248925 that attempt earlier this week] to annul the lower house vote. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 14:36, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' - it's way past time we posted a blurb on this. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 15:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support Alt.''' – The fact that she's been suspended from office would seem to make it fairly likely she'll ultimately be removed. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]])
::'''PS:''' Our [[impeachment]] article says flatly  that Rousseff "''was impeached''" by the Chamber of Deputies" on April 17, and [http://bigstory.ap.org/article/924024d8b7164ac68351d4e61927d99d/debate-future-brazils-president-drones-2nd-day AP] headlines it "Senate impeaches president." However, [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36273916 BBC] makes it "''to face'' impeachment trial," [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-politics-idUSKCN0Y206H Reuters] refers only to "her suspension," and [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/12/dilma-rousseff-brazil-president-impeached-senate-vote the Guardian] confines itself to "stripped of duties." ''Suspended'' does seem the best choice. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:25, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Maybe it is different in Brazil but in the US impeachment is the House vote to refer charges to the Senate, and the Senate holds a trial to decide whether or not to remove the impeached official; in Brazil it seems that both the House and Senate must vote to impeach and then the Senate holds a trial.  The trial isn't part of the impeachment process; that is how the trial starts. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:33, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::It must be noted that the correct wording is "Impeached".  She has been impeached.  Being impeached means "being put on trial to decide if we want to remove her from office or not".  Impeachment is NOT the removal itself, impeachment is the [[indictment]].  In the U.S., both [[Andrew Johnson]] and [[Bill Clinton]] were actually impeached.  They were just never convicted, so never removed from office.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 15:42, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::According to the legal scholars in the NYTimes article cited above, she isn't "impeached", as the Brazilian's define it, unless she is convicted and permanently removed from office.  You are right that the US concept of "impeachment" is different, and applies essentially when a President is indicted, but that's not how the Brazilians use the term.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 15:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Anyone speak Portuguese? What verb do the Brazilian media use? [http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=list&tfp_id=BRA_JVS This] one refers to ''processo de impeachment.'' [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 16:00, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support Original Blurb''' we don't need an overlong headline to explain that this is a process, not a conclusion, and the "suspended" part makes that quite clear. FYI, You can say ''impeachment'' or ''impedimento'' if you are google the news. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 16:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
* Posting. --'''[[User:Tone|Tone]]''' 17:03, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - no mention of Vice President [[Michel Temer]] becoming Interim President? [[Special:Contributions/116.14.21.143|116.14.21.143]] ([[User talk:116.14.21.143|talk]]) 00:46, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*:The blurb is already too long, can you suggest a neat way of including all that information with fewer characters?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:16, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

[[File:Dilma Rousseff during Obama visit to Brasilia.jpg|200px|thumb|Dharmadhyaksha's suggestion]]
Such a smiley face photo for someone impeached? How about a bit serious kind like.... Maybe crop it to suit ITN requirements. §§[[User:Dharmadhyaksha|<i style="color:#E0115F;"><b>Dharmadhyaksha</b></i>]]§§ <small>{[[User talk:Dharmadhyaksha|Talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Dharmadhyaksha|Edits]]}</small> 10:02, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
::I don't object to it being changed, but I see no problem with using her official presidential photo. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:18, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:::With that frozen 'cheese' smile, it's pretty obvious it's an official photo, which seems appropriate to the context. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:49, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
::::We routinely seek to avoid displaying "smiley" photographs of people in conjunction with negative news about them (and when we fail in that respect, this invariably draws complaints).
::::Posed photographs typically are more suitable than candid ones, and while they often are "official", that isn't a trait for which we have a particular preference.
::::Recentness also is a consideration.  I found [[:File:Dilma Rousseff, 23 February 2016.jpg|an appropriate photograph]] from February 2016 (more than five years newer).  —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 16:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dilma_Rousseff,_23_February_2016.jpg That] would be fine, IMO. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 00:46, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 11==
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==== [Closed] Same-sex civil unions in Italy ====
{{archive top|1=No consensus to post. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:07, 14 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Recognition of same-sex unions in Italy
| article2      = 
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[Italian Parliament]]''' approves '''[[Recognition of same-sex unions in Italy|same-sex civil unions]]'''
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/world/europe/italy-gay-same-sex-unions.html?_r=0 The New York Times], [http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/25/italy-passes-watered-down-bill-recognising-same-sex-civil-unions The Guardian], [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-gaymarriage-vote-idUSKCN0Y21NI Reuters]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Jaqen <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = "Italy has become the last major western country to legally recognise same-sex relationships" ([http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/11/italy-mps-support-introduction-same-sex-civil-unions The Guardian])
| sign          = [[User:Jaqen|Jaqen]] ([[User talk:Jaqen|talk]]) 22:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' The target article has referencing issues right now.  The entire first block of the "History" section has zero refs (where does all this information come from?).  Also, the Italian Parliament article shouldn't be bolded.  It doesn't contain any information about the event (nor probably should it, being an overview of the body, and inapporpriate for highlighting one piece of information).  If we can clean up the referencing, this would be a fine article for the main page.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 00:28, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', being the last "major western country" to do that is more like trivia, unlike the first country or the last country in the world. And picking just western countries is rather a geographical bias. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   07:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' Although this is fairly routine at this point, <s>and it wasn't done in an interesting way</s> (unlike Ireland, where it was done by referendum, or USA, where it was a court decision), this is ''Italy'', where the Church still has massive sway over social politics. Given how thoroughly the Italian Parliament rejected similar bills even just a few years ago, I'm surprised this happened so soon. By the way, I don't think Italy is the last major Western country to approve same-sex unions. Certainly, [[You forgot Poland|Poland is still missing]] (and you can quibble about whether some other Eastern European states count as major), and by the modern definition of the West, South Korea and Japan are too. Last in [[Western Europe]], perhaps. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 09:17, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::Actually, it was attached as a kind of rider to a [[vote of confidence]] in [[Matteo Renzi]], so that's quite interesting. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 09:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Strong support'''. The news is - if possible - even more relevant than last years's Republic of Ireland's referendum on same sex marriage, because Italy hosts the Vatican which has always opposed any regulation of whatsoever (either etero- or homosexual) partnership different than marriage, and because Italian politicians have been for years (and in some way some still are) prone to listen to Vatican's diktats on ethic issues. In political terms a wall has been torn down. -- '''[[user:Blackcat|<span style="font-family:Bookman Old Style,Palatino Linotype,Times New Roman;font-size:8pt;color:#C00000">SERGIO</span>]]''' [[User talk:Blackcat|<span style="font-family:Bookman Old Style,Palatino Linotype,Times New Roman;font-size:8pt;color:#000000">aka '''the Black Cat'''</span>]] 09:44, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' per TRM and Blackcat, since it is Italy. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:56, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*:{{U|331dot}} I haven't commented here.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:04, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*::I apologize for my error; I'm not entirely sure why I thought you did.  [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:26, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose'''. A nice development to this ongoing international shift in social attitudes, but at this stage I just don't think we can justify posting every nation that legalises same-sex marriage. Nor do I see any particular reason to single out Italy - yes it's a religious western country, but so what? Additional interest in western countries is just systemic bias, and there are plenty of other religious places. Now if Vatican City or Saudi Arabia were to do this it would be a different matter... [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 11:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Why can't we post every nation that legalizes same-sex marriage? It's not something that happens often, and it's also something that happens only once. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 15:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*::Because even if it takes 15 years for the rest of the world to catch up, that's still an average of over one post per month for the foreseeable future, even if we only do each country once. I don't think it's justifiable to post two hundred stories on a single issue at that rate. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:50, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::I don't entirely believe that the number of posts made on a subject is relevant. After all, the number of posts made about general elections even for a specific country basically approaches infinity.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 17:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::True, but elections are ITNR, and with 200 countries in the world hosting elections at a pace of roughly one per five years, that's something like 3 stories / month, but we still have elections on ITNR. Also "catch up" is unfair: it makes it seem like legalizing same-sex unions is morally superior to not legalizing it, and there are lots of people who will not agree with that. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:05, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' per Modest Genius.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 12:15, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' late to the party. I think now we're at the stage where it would require Uganda, Iran or Saudi Arabia to legalise gay marriage to truly make our heads turn. Even among European countries, Italy is not religious conservatism's "best horse", that title would go to Poland [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 15:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' we didn't post it three years ago when France instituted full-blown gay ''marriage''.  At some point we're just checking off a list. [[User:Medeis|μηδείς]] ([[User talk:Medeis|talk]]) 16:24, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] RD: Tony Cozier ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Tony Cozier
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = 
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = 59.93.230.123 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Joseph2302<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      =Rothorpe<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = Jhall1<!-- if more than two updaters -->
| note          = 
| nom cmt       = One of the greatest cricket commentators.
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/59.93.230.123|59.93.230.123]] ([[User talk:59.93.230.123|talk]]) 16:44, 11 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> right now, for one of the greatest commentators (and I agree), his article is ''way'' below the standard we need, it's barely above a stub.  I'll see if I can get some time to look into fixing it, like [[John Warr]].  18:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support on expansion'''. He was top of his field of cricket commentary and near the top in cricket writing so I would support this nomination even if the trial removal of the importance criteria were not ongoing. The article doesn't seem to have any major problems, it's just lacking in depth. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 19:57, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> Per Thryduulf, this lacks depth in the way that a puddle lacks the depth to float a cruise ship.  The article is marginally above a stub.  Placing an article on the main page is telling people we have enough good information on a topic to make it worth their while to read it.  This, is not up to that standard.  He ''may be'' a legendary commentator and writer, but if that were true, there would be more to say than 2 short paragraphs on his legendary commentating career and one sentence on his legendary writing career.  I would support this in a heartbeat if I could read about the full breadth of his career.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 00:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:"Lacks depth in the way that a puddle lacks the depth to float a cruise ship" - Jayron32, I assume you won't mind if I lift that simile for writing my novel.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 12:16, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
::A thank you in the acknowledgements page is all I ask... --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 14:26, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Changing to '''weak support'''.  The article has expanded enough that I wouldn't stand in the way of it being posted.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 12:34, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' regrettably. No doubt from me that Cozier was one of the great commentators and writers, and the voice of Caribbean cricket for those of us in England and elsewhere, but I'm with [[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]] on this - the article just doesn't reflect Cozier's notability in his field and isn't worthy of being linked from the main page. --[[User:Bcp67|Bcp67]] ([[User talk:Bcp67|talk]]) 20:49, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Has been expanded and is well-cited. While it could still be improved, I think it meets the standards for the main page. [[User:Neljack|Neljack]] ([[User talk:Neljack|talk]]) 00:30, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' after some really decent expansion work from {{U|Jhall1}}, {{U|Rothorpe}} and {{U|Joseph2302}}, marked as ready. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:15, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*I'm involved so not sure if I'm allowed to vote. Assuming I'm allowed to vote, then  '''Support''', otherwise just ignore this vote. [[User:Joseph2302|Joseph2302]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 07:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Following the excellent expansion work. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 14:17, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:26, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Baghdad bombing ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 11 May 2016 Baghdad bombings
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = A '''[[11 May 2016 Baghdad bombings|truck bombing in Baghdad]]''' kills at least 62 people.
| altblurb      = A series of '''[[11 May 2016 Baghdad bombings|bombings]]''' in Baghdad kill at least 93 people and injure more than 165.
| sources       = [http://www.wsj.com/articles/at-least-29-killed-in-baghdad-car-bombing-1462960588 WSJ], [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36265245 BBC], [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-claims-iraq-bomb-sadr-city-shiite-baghdad/ CBS News] [http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/11/middleeast/baghdad-market-bombing/ (CNN)] [http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/05/11/world/middleeast/ap-ml-iraq.html?_r=0 (NY Times)], [http://bigstory.ap.org/article/697dc71f104944599d4f8390bf2f2f44/iraq-car-bombing-baghdad-commercial-area-kills-14-people AP]
| nominator     = Brandmeister <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Death toll looks high even for Iraqi bombings.
| sign          = [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   16:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

* '''Support''' per notability, altblurb. Page quality below standards. [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 17:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support Altblurb''' – Per [[User:Baking Soda|Soda]]. Another mass slaughter – AP sez at least 93. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 17:27, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support alt''' once the article has been expanded more.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - There is no need to make the article super huge or something. It is fine as is for now. Time to bring this to light. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 21:03, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' by Jehochman. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 21:30, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 10==
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==== [Posted] RD: Mustafa Badreddine ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Mustafa Badreddine
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-blow-to-hezbollah-a-senior-commander-is-killed-in-syria/2016/05/13/5fc18f49-95a4-4bd8-89ec-abb6cc6650bd_story.html (Washington Post)] [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-hezbollah-idUSKCN0Y405A (Reuters)]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Baking Soda <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = A high ranking [[Hezbollah]] member, heavily covered in the news.
| sign          = [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 10:51, 13 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Enough well-referenced information to qualify for the MP.  No major errors or problems. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 12:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mustafa_Badreddine&type=revision&diff=720085064&oldid=720065696 fixed a source]. It's ready. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:50, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:29, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Mark Lane ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Mark Lane (author)
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/us/mark-lane-who-asserted-that-kennedy-was-killed-in-conspiracy-dies-at-89.html NY Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Leading [[JFK assassination conspiracy]] theorist
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 00:51, 13 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Solid article.  A few missing citations, but in a bio of this length and depth, I don't see anything overly contentious missing a citation, and on the balance this is easily good enough for the main page.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 01:21, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' per trial. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:19, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Closed] RD: Sally Brampton ====
{{archive top|1=Stale. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:09, 16 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sally Brampton<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36273894 BBC News], [http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/may/11/sally-brampton-obituary The Guardian], [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/12/agony-aunt-sally-brampton-dies-walking-into-the-sea-after-battli/ The Telegraph]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Philip Cross<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = Edwardx<!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Founding editor of British ''[[Elle (magazine)|Elle]]''. Appears to be suicide.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 17:40, 12 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' per trial. Article is new, but has enough detail and is well-referenced. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 17:53, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' Article is minimally comprehensive and well referenced.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 18:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support per trial''' per Jayron. Could use an infobox. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' nearly happy to post this but I'm uncertain as to how secure the claim of Fair Use that image is.  After all, she has only just died and there is most likely a good chance that we could find a free alternative, so I'm wary about posting an item with an almost certain image copyvio.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:03, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
:: Could you find a better excuse not to post her name? The mere image should not hold off the promotion. I '''support''' giving her an honorable mention despite some image. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 00:20, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:: If my above comment won't do, I replaced the previous image with a screenshot. However, I don't know how long; the uploader still insists on using that portrait image. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 01:00, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Well unlike you, I don't wish to post articles to the main page which abuse the fair use of images. It's clear that you completely misunderstand this situation, perhaps better to avoid this area of Wikipedia since here, a little knowledge is most definitely a dangerous thing. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:31, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:::: We're just mentioning her name. It's not as if her death deserves a blurb or anything. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 15:45, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::You just don't get it.  Do you even look at the target articles, check them for quality or for abuse of fair use?  I'd knock that aspiration to be an admin on the right now.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
:The previous image was not a "copyvio", it was a non-free fair use image like the new image that has been uploaded by George. I don't see how the new image is any better than the old one, certainly it's worse visually. As for the other comment about a free image certainly being available ... Please find one if you can, I couldn't. [[User:Philafrenzy|Philafrenzy]] ([[User talk:Philafrenzy|talk]]) 08:07, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
::I have formally disputed the fair use rationale for the image. I do not believe that any image used soley to identify a recently deceased person who was a high profile figure in a western country can meet the fair use criteria - principally repeatability - unless it can be proven that a free image is not and can not be made available. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 16:53, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - well referenced, and per trial.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 17:17, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose due to image''' the article is well referenced, but like TRM I cannot support posting an article to the main page with an image that does not comply with the [[WP:NFCC|non-free content criteria]]. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 07:52, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== Motiur Rahman Nizami ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Motiur Rahman Nizami
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Bangladeshi politician '''[[Motiur Rahman Nizami]]''' is hanged after being convicted of war crimes during the 1971 [[Bangladesh Liberation War]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths =
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/bangladesh-hangs-nizami-1971-war-crimes-160510182253819.html (Al Jazeera)], [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36261197 BBC]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Jenda H. <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Jenda H.|Jenda H.]] ([[User talk:Jenda H.|talk]]) 18:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' plenty of unreferenced sentences in there.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:43, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' – highly notable execution with political ramifications. [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 00:12, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''.  Is the story here the death itself or the event?  I would concede that this likely would merit posting either way, but I don't think we should be using the trial RD process to slip in events that really should be a blurb(and get the regular discussion process). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 00:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Quite so, I have added a blurb to test the water.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 04:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Although he had been sentenced to death for both, the article suggests that he was executed for the 1971 war crimes charge, and not the later arms trafficking one. [[User talk:LauraJamieson|Laura Jamieson (talk)]] 09:37, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Mea culpa, feel free to amend the blurb. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:38, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*:: Done, if a little wordy. [[User talk:LauraJamieson|Laura Jamieson (talk)]] 09:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb  / oppose RD''' - the story here is the execution of a prominent politician, RD is for when the death of a notable person is the whole story. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 09:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now based on the quality issues TRM has noted; there are plenty of statements which could be contentious which are not clearly cited to a reliable source.  Would be blurb for this one, for the reasons Thryduulf notes; the story here is the trial and execution, not merely the death.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 10:40, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' for either blurb or RD. [[Special:Contributions/174.95.4.78|174.95.4.78]] ([[User talk:174.95.4.78|talk]]) 13:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - I'd like to support this for a blurb, as it is both unusual and notable. But as noted, the start-class article on the subject has issues. It's also a topic area I don't know much about. [[User:Jusdafax|<span style="color:green;">Jus</span>]][[User talk:Jusdafax|<span style="color:#C1118C;">da</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jusdafax|<span style="color:#0000FF;">fax</span>]]  03:00, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Note''' too stale now for RD, so blurb comments only.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:10, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted to RD]: Kang Young-hoon ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Kang Young-hoon<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://world.kbs.co.kr/english/news/news_Dm_detail.htm?No=118902 KBS World Radio], [http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160510000997 The Korea Herald], [http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/people/2016/05/178_204453.html The Korea Times]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Former South Korean PM (1988-90). Led first direct PM talks with North Korea.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 18:27, 10 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Weak support'''</s> For such a high-level leader, I would expect a longer article, but the article is minimally comprehensive, and fully referenced to reliable sources.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 18:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*:'''Oppose''' Changing my vote based on discussion below.  I had been supporting this, but the closer look that Fuebaey has made me take in the article has changed my mind; the article is too highly flawed and incomplete to direct readers to.  If someone were to fill out the vast missing areas from his life's work, I would change my vote back.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:36, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak support'''</s> per Jayron.  The basics are there, and cited, but it's hardly sparkling.  Could use some expansion, let's hope {{U|Fuebaey}} can do that so we can post this.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
{{hat|This has long since ceased to be productive.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 20:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)}}
::Sorry, unless there's [[constructive criticism|something specific]] that I have overlooked I can't possibly fix something as vague as "minimally comprehensive". Although, if it only takes someone three minutes to write a comprehensive review then perhaps you're looking in the wrong direction for expansion expertise. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 21:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I said "weak support"?  I also suggested you could expand the article a little (just as Jayron had alluded to) since you had shown enough interest in the subject to nominate it.  If you aren't going to do anything about it, fine.  I'm sure another admin can judge it on its merits (and post it if appropriate).  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 04:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Sure, if you want a model for the level of comprehensiveness one would expect of the leader of his nation, take a look at [[Michel Rocard]], a person who held an equivalent position, in a different country, at the same time period as PM Kang did.  While that article has a few issues as well (mostly a few referencing issues), surely a high-level politician who held the highest office in his country, must be worthy of more than a page of text to describe his entire life's work and history?  The article we have now on Kang is minimal.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 10:37, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::[[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]]: Yes, I can read. I'm not sure why you're being so defensive at my request for a more informative review.
:::::Not at all, in any case it seems that Thryduulf may have been more informative.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:39, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]]: The thing is you're comparing the [[Prime Minister of France|French prime minister]] (head of gov) with the [[Prime Minister of South Korea|South Korean prime minister]] (not head of gov). If you want to standardise articles like that it's unlikely that we'd have posted Young onto RD yesterday or any [[WP:Systemic bias|Asian/African/Latin]] political leader for that matter. What I was hoping for was if you could actually point out missing aspects of his life (does the article lack a ministerial post?), or whether a specific quote was missing a citation, or tag and discuss like Thryduulf did below. I'd prefer that to article padding. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 13:27, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't need, of course, to be anywhere near that long.  But I was just pointing out how lacking the current article is.  Surely, there's more than can be said about his political career and early life than what currently exists in the article.  ITN exists to inform readers with well-written articles, not merely just make announcements.   --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 14:05, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Um, no offense, but I don't think you understand what helpful criticism is to an editor. While I'm not expecting DYK/GA/FA style reviews, [[hand-waving]] is as about as useful as saying "there's a problem, I just don't know what it is". [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 14:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::The section on Political Career mentions almost NOTHING before he was appointed PM.  It gives no prior posts, and only a cursory mention of some events in 1961, some 27 years before his premiership.  Are you saying the man did NOTHING in public life for 27 years, and then suddenly got appointed PM out of the blue?  What prior posts did he hold?  What actions did he take in those posts?  The section on his post political life lists only an honorary knighting in 1995 and his death in 2016.  So, you want specifics, here's specifics: We have, in the article a range of dates that indicates he was a public persona from 1961 until his death in 2016.  Currently, his biography only covers events from a few brief windows of that time period.  Even the section on his premiership has massive holes: one would expect a high-level official would be regularly in the news, and yet we only have the following events 1) an uprising in "Spring 1989", and some meetings with North Koreans in September-December 1990.  Did he do nothing else to attract attention during the rest of his premiership?  The biography should be a summation of his career; this one has giant holes which make it look like a bunch of random unconnected events based on whenever anyone who wandered by decided to add a random fact.  You want specific things to flesh out, how about everything between 1961-1988, between his appointment to spring 1989, from spring 1989-september 1990, and since his ouster in December 1990.  That's what's missing.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:34, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::And to be fair, if you're prepared to nominate it, at least do some work on it.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::When someone cares to define "work", by all means. I can't subjectively mind-read. What's unfair is that you've assumed that I don't/won't edit articles, and a simple glance at this nominated article makes your accusation look awfully hollow. Besides, unless you can point to that consensus, I'm not going to be changing my nomination procedure to satisfy your own personal opinion. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 19:07, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Sorry, I don't really care, I'm not expecting you to do or say anything, but if you're that bothered, please actually present something we can post, even in this trial period where it really couldn't be easier.  I couldn't care less in fact.  Your hollow nomination(s) need your attention, or else we'll start to treat them as flippant and disruptive.  Cheers.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::Tis a bit sad that you don't care about improving articles, but if you'd prefer to treat "[[WP:OWN|my nominations]]" as disruptive  please understand that [[WP:NOTCOMPULSORY|you don't have to]] respond to them. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 20:08, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks, that's all I wanted to know. I apologise if I hit a nerve; my goal was for more detail, not to piss you off. I respect that some here expect "high quality" articles without clicking the article edit button, and I don't anticipate that changing. However, if you expect myself or another nominator/editor/interested party to improve it, a superficial review (like the drive-by !vote) is not the most efficient method to elicit a positive response. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 19:07, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' on quality - I've just had to add an orange tag as the lead section has left me very confused. See the article talk page. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:03, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I've expanded the article a fair bit. I don't expect this to be posted, given the heat and general lack of interest, but in case anyone is (or would like to point out more problems), feel free to read. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 18:22, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] RD: Chuck Curtis ====
{{archive top|1=Stale. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:31, 13 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Chuck Curtis
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article76650722.html Star-Telegram]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = George Ho <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| note          = This is a trial run. Importance is temporarily no longer required.
| nom cmt       = A great American football coach.
| sign          = [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 18:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' some expansion is needed; more summary of his coaching career, such as a season-by-season prose synopsis of his whole career, would help. What little there is right now is poorly referenced as well.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 18:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Jayron.  Please work on some of these nominations before adding more.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per the above. For the record, I would also strongly oppose this nomination if it were not for the trial. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:06, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on quality grounds. I think the high school names should be unpiped. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:33, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] RD: John Warr ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = John Warr
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/former-mcc-president-john-warr-passes-away-444139 Cricket Country] [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2016/05/10/john-warr-cricketer--obituary/ Telegraph]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = George Ho <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = The Rambling Man<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| note          = Will fix this article soon
| nom cmt       = One of notable English cricketers, although not highly important.
| sign          = [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 18:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*<s>'''Oppose''' article is too short.  Barely more than a paragraph summarizing his entire personal life, career, and biography is far to cursory for inclusion on the main page as a target link.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 18:19, 10 May 2016 (UTC)</s>
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> per Jayron.  Please work on some of these nominations before adding more.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
* I added some references. I don't know why expansion is necessary for a lesser known personality. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 20:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' {{replyto|George Ho}} Expansion is most needed for lesser known personalities, as the article needs to inform readers about the entirety of the life of a person they probably have not heard of, it needs to be well and comprehensively referenced so we are not spreading misinformation. The lesser known a person is, the less likely it is that a reader will recognise an error in our article and the more likely that Wikipedia will be used as the primary or only source for journalists writing obituaries leading to a higher chance than normal of [[wp:circular referencing|circular referencing]]. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:13, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
**Not to mention that I have already found at least one unreferenced claim, and one error.  We need to do better. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:45, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I've now taken the time to expand the article a little bit beyond when it was prematurely nominated.  I think it's quite a bit more comprehensive and hopefully now error-free. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*Posted &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 15:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Post-posting '''Weak support'''.  Thanks to TRM for putting in some work to expand this beyond the stub phase.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 20:19, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Closed] RD: Comply or Die ====
{{archive top|We aren't going to put a horse in RD. And please don't ask me what specific policy says "no horses in RD", because it will cause me to beat my head against a brick wall for several minutes. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 21:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)}}

{{ITN candidate
| article       = Comply or Die
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://www.skysports.com/racing/news/12040/10276337/david-pipe-pays-comply-or-die-tribute-after-2008-grand-national-winner-dies Sky Sports]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = George Ho <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = Under trial run, importance is no longer required.
| nom cmt       = A stellar racehorse if you ask me.
| sign          = [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 18:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' article is not extensive enough for inclusion on main page.  A large stub.  A comprehensive biography, with all race results, and a prose biography of his whole life, would be useful.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 18:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Jayron.  Please work on some of these nominations before adding more.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Question''': Wasn't there a decision some time ago that RD is limited to humans? At a minimum, perhaps "importance is no longer required" should not necessarily be applied uncritically in that context. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 21:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] RD: Walther Leisler Kiep ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Walther Leisler Kiep
| recent deaths = yes
| sources       = [http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/leisler-kiep-tot-101.html Tagesschau]
| updated       = yes
| nominator     = Zwerg Nase <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Zwerg Nase
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Might or might not meet notability criteria. Probably not. But the article is pretty good, might be nice to have a GA in the ITN box for a change...
| sign          = [[User:Zwerg Nase|Zwerg Nase]] ([[User talk:Zwerg Nase|talk]]) 17:04, 9 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' article is GA quality, which is good enough for the main page.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 18:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' much rather a GA article in the recent deaths rather than the usual bare-boned articles which receive a splash of paint after the subject's death. Sure this man was not a holder of one of Germany's top offices, but we posted [[Charles Kennedy]] for the basis of a long career in politics. [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 18:51, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose''' As long as we're still using the RD criteria, let's use them. He doesn't seem to be sufficiently important, and article quality is not a factor in his favor. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:53, 9 May 2016 (UTC)</s>
**I see the trial run was just enacted. Okay. '''Support''' as [[index case]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:17, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''FYI''' Note that this article likely meets the new, temporary criteria described in the ambox here: [[Wikipedia:In the news#Recent deaths section]]. For the next month, ITN/C won't be evaluating the "importance" of someone when deciding whether to include them in RD or not, just on (a) being in the news, and (b) article quality. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:07, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per Floquenbeam. GA quality is definitely sufficient to post. [[User:Mamyles|Mamyles]] ([[User talk:Mamyles|talk]]) 20:16, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' per the trial.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:03, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

====  [Closed] Philippine presidential election ====
{{archive top|1=Consensus is to wait for the official confirmation.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Philippine presidential election, 2016<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = File:Rodrigo Duterte (2009).jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Rodrigo Duterte]] ''(pictured)'' '''[[Philippine presidential election, 2016|is elected]]''' [[President of the Philippines]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36244456 BBC News], [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philippines-presidential-election-candidate-rodrigo-duterte-donald-trump-style/ CBS News], [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/09/philippines-election-2016-polls-open-amid-death-threats-from-presidential-hopeful The Guardian]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = no<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Unofficial estimate. Awaiting official confirmation in the next 24 hours. Article needs updating after that.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 13:44, 9 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*Wait until official, but then I'll support. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>)  14:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
* Wait until official. See you in a month. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">H</span>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">T</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<span style="color:#FFA500;">D</span>]]''' 16:08, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
* Tentative '''support''', but only post once properly declared as the winner. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] <sup>[[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|t]][[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|c]][[WP:CSD|csd]][[Special:Newpages|new]]</sup> 00:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I didn't realise the Philippine system requires Congress to declare before the vote becomes official, else I wouldn't have prematurely nominated this. Having said that, his two main rivals [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36253612 have conceded] - making him de-facto president-elect - and this item is currently in the news. The only thing that is missing is a paragraph describing this. If consensus is to post now I'll write something up, but if it is still to wait till June, I'll leave it. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 12:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] Transit of Mercury ====
{{archivetop|No consensus to post. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 20:23, 12 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Transit of Mercury
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Tránsito de Mercurio - 09.05.2016 (cropped).JPG
| blurb         = The planet [[Mercury (planet)|Mercury]] '''[[Transit of Mercury|transits]]''' the [[Sun]] (pictured).
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = A '''[[transit of Mercury]]''' (pictured) occurs, visible from Africa, the Americas, Europe and most of Asia.
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36228327 BBC], [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3580167/Will-spot-Mercury-crossing-sun.html Daily Mail], [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/09/nyregion/new-york-today-mercury-on-the-move.html New York Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Smurrayinchester <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Rare event (next one in 2019, then 2032). Probably better photos available soon when NASA uploads.
| sign          = [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 13:36, 9 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
:'''Weak oppose'''. I'm all for science noms, but is there anything special about this transit? Other than it being the only one in the next three years? ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>)  14:11, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
::Not particularly (although having 3 years between transits is an unusually short interval - the last was in 2006, so a decade ago, and the average gap is about 8 years), but there's nothing special about individual eclipses either (which are much more common). Moon crosses sun, Mercury crosses sun. This is a rare astronomical event, which is getting a fair bit of popular press (not just in places like the New York Times or the Guardian, but even in the Daily Mail). [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 14:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
::(Oh, while it doesn't make a big difference [[Transit of Mercury#Occurrence of transits|May transits are rare]] - transits more normally happen in November.) [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 14:34, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', this particular astronomical event doesn't seem super-rare. The [[Transit of Venus, 2012|2012 transit of Venus]], for instance, was posted because it happens roughly every 243 years (btw, it coincided with the death of Ray Bradbury). [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   16:20, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
**2006, 2016, November 2019, 2032 isn't that big of a burden. ITN barely existed the last time. There's no other planets between us and the Sun. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 17:20, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
***As much as I like astronomical stuff, I doubt it's that important. Venus' transit is rare, but that of Mercury less so. Transits aren't among [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Recurring_items#Celestial_events|ITNR celestial events]]. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   18:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
***(off topic) there are two planets between us and the Sun: Mercury and Venus. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 09:40, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
****Maybe this was tongue-in-cheek (hence the (off topic)) but of course I meant "besides the ones already mentioned". [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 19:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this solar system centric item. As a relatively frequently occurring event, it does not stand out as any news of astronomical importance.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 19:55, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - if we're going to have meteor showers and eclipses on ITNR, this kind of event should also be ITNR. Sure, it has little astronomical importance, but same goes for these other celestial events. Objections based on relative frequency do not convince as well. Total solar eclipses are ITNR, and they occur more frequently than Mercury transits. For that matter there are many annual events on ITNR (like the awarding of Nobel Prizes, winning the Premier League), and those occur more frequently than Mercury transits as well. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 00:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Oppose <s>Comment</s>''' – What is, or was, the practical effect of this 'event' – ?? None, as far as I can see. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
**Most astronomical events that are posted probably don't have practical effects either. [[User:Sagittarian Milky Way|Sagittarian Milky Way]] ([[User talk:Sagittarian Milky Way|talk]]) 19:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
**I looked at the criteria for evaluating ITN items but "practical effect" wasn't mentioned.  That suggests this "oppose" is simply "IDONTLIKEIT". [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:47, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Au contraire, mon ami. It's not that I don't "like" it – I have no like or dislike notions on this matter. However, in view of the 'trial,' I withdraw my ''oppose''. Nuff said? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 00:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Hopefully, although the trial only applies to RDs.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 04:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::Oh. Doh! In that case.... ('''∧''') [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 12:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] Austrian PM resigns ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Werner Faymann<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Werner_Faymann_2015.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[Werner Faymann]]''' resigns as [[Chancellor of Austria]] and leader of the [[Social Democratic Party of Austria|Social Democratic Party]].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36245316 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The Almightey Drill <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = EU head of government resigns. Like Germany, the Chancellor is the most powerful person in the nation's politics.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 13:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

* At the moment, there's no update - no explanation why he resigned or who'll take his place. This is needed before I can support. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 13:37, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
** Now updated with some context. '''Support'''. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 15:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support <s>... pending article improvements</s>''' – Apparently the resignation is related to the poor performance of the Social Democratic Party (Faymann's party) in the first round of Austrian presidential elections April 24, in which the populist FPÖ won a surprising 35 percent. Note, however, that according to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_presidential_election,_2016 ''Zeit''] his resignation was long expected due to eroding support within his own party. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:18, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support on improvements''' The resignation of a sitting national leader is important, but we absolutely need to document why this happened in the article before ITN posting. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
::Agree with [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurry]]. It's just a paragraph, but a fairly detailed one. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:29, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
::Agree, the added para is sufficient for posting now. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 15:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 8==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2016 May 8]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2016 May 8}}
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==== [Closed] RD: William Schallert ====
{{archive top|1=Stale. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:10, 13 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = William Schallert<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/william-schallert-actor-union-activist-died-93-38986804 ABC News], [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/patty-duke-show-dad-william-schallert-dies/ CBS News], [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/10/arts/television/william-schallert-father-on-the-patty-duke-show-dies-at-93.html NYT]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = American actor and President of the Screen Actors Guild (1979-81). Needs more sourcing.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 01:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' - The only significant part about SAG is its awards; nothing more. Also, unions of actors may be losing their grounds. If SAG were a country, I'd favor honorable mention of him. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 07:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{replyto|George Ho}}  With the current trial, we no longer judge on importance- though I would state that even under the prior criteria of doing so, leader of the Screen Actors Guild would make him important to acting(which does and has done more than just give out awards). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' during trial as inadequately referenced. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Bulk of the article is unreferenced.  We can't post that to the MP.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 12:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Although I note that the often cited de.wikipedia.org main page lists his article which is almost entirely unreferenced.  Along with two German footballers.  Systemic bias, much?! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*::That German Wikipedia does something shitty does not bind us to the same level of shittiness.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 14:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::Indeed, quite the opposite I imagine.  I was just surprised to see how poor quality the items featured on its main page were.  Grim.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] RD: John Young ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = John Young (baseball)
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/15494780/john-young-founder-youth-baseball-program-dies-67 ESPN]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Per the trial RD period, here's an article I once 5x expanded for DYK that I wouldn't have nominated for RD under the normal criteria.
| sign          = &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Support''' per trial. Comprehensive biography and sufficient coverage. [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 22:00, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 07:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 7==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2016 May 7]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2016 May 7}}
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==== [Closed] RD: Khurram Zaki ====
{{archivetop|Stale. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 20:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Khurram Zaki<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36241017 BBC News], [http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/khurram-zaki-killed-pakistan-1.3573070 CBC News], [http://time.com/4322446/pakistan-activist-khurrum-zaki-murder-karachi/ TIME]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Pakistani activist.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 01:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' Good article with lots of sources. [[User:Neljack|Neljack]] ([[User talk:Neljack|talk]]) 07:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' a couple of [citation needed] and a couple of external links inline to address before this is ready to go.  Plus odd phrasing like "To understand the context of this and other protests with repect to Lal Masjid read this article by...." needs to be addressed. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' for now.  A small number of problems, but serious enough to keep off the main page; problems with [[WP:SELF]] and [[WP:EL]], especially in directing readers explicitly to links outside of Wikipedia in the main body of the text, and a few cn tags that should be resolved.  The odd phrasing noted by TRM is also an issue.  These are not insurmountable, but should be cleaned up before posting to the main page.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 12:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] RD: Ann Day ====
{{archivetop|Stale. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 20:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ann Day<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/08/sister-former-supreme-court-justice-oconnor-killed-in-arizona-car-crash.html Fox News], [http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sister-former-justice-sandra-day-o-connor-killed-arizona-crash-n569951 NBC News], [http://www.wsj.com/articles/sister-of-former-supreme-court-justice-sandra-day-oconnor-dies-in-car-crash-1462663553 WSJ]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Arizona politician; sister of the first female Supreme Court justice. Is a stub and would need expanding.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 00:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*I '''oppose''' because the article is currently tagged as a stub.  I'm not sure it is relevant given the current trial but I think this is only in the news because she was related to Sandra, and it wouldn't have been otherwise. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' stubs. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' article is WAY too short to be considered useful for a main page link.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 12:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] RD: Bernardo Ribeiro====
{{archivetop|Stale. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 20:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Bernardo Ribeiro<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://europe.newsweek.com/bernardo-ribeiro-patrick-ekeng-457167 Newsweek], [http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/09/footballer-bernardo-ribeiro-26-dies-after-playing-game-in-brazil The Guardian], [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/bernardo-ribeiro-dead-brazilian-footballer-dies-of-suspected-heart-attack-after-being-taken-ill-a7019801.html The Independent]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Similar case to Ekeng, though Brazilian not Cameroonian. Article could do with few more references, but is otherwise not a stub.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 00:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*How many barely notable soccer players die at 26 per week? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 02:09, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*:I don't know.  Is that rhetorical? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:19, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for now.  Too much of the biography is uncited.  We need many more references for what is written there for this to be considered for the main page.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 12:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I think we are starting to see the results of the trial run. A very minor player who only played 52 games as a professional and was never on his national team is to now be considered to have significance enough to put on the RD list? 52 games is not even two seasons of games and that's spread out over 5 years. Yes he died young, but based on his early career was he really expected to be a significant player in the future? If this is the level of football players that make the cut, then practically EVERY American football player will make the cut! Is that the way we want to go??  [[User:Rhodesisland|Rhodesisland]] ([[User talk:Rhodesisland|talk]]) 22:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
**Except that, as it stands now, he ''didn't'' make the cut; adding this article is opposed on quality grounds. Comments about the trial run would be more useful on [[WT:ITN]]. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 22:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
**Indeed.  The trial results so far have been very encouraging. People have worked on more RDs than ever before because once they are up to scratch, they will be posted.  This is '''a good thing'''.  But as Floquenbeam notes, this article is not ready to be posted, but should you wish to work on it, improve it to the standards required for main page inclusion, so much the better!  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 04:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] 2016 Kentucky Derby ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Nyquist (horse)
| article2      = 2016 Kentucky Derby
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = '''[[Nyquist (horse)|Nyquist]]''' wins the '''[[2016 Kentucky Derby]]''', extending his race record to eight wins in eight races.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing       = no
| altblurb      =  The undefeated [[thoroughbred]] '''[[Nyquist (horse)|Nyquist]]''' wins the '''[[2016 Kentucky Derby]]'''
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = {{cite web|url=http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/211473/nyquist-unrelenting-in-kentucky-derby-victory|title=Nyquist Unrelenting in Kentucky Derby Victory|first=Jeremy |last=Balan|website=The Blood-Horse|date=7 May 2016|accessdate=8 May 2016}}
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = yes
| nominator     = Montanabw <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Brudder Andrusha 
| updater2      = Montanabw
| updater3      = Bede735
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Annual major sport event, listed at WP:ITNR.  This year's event notable for an undefeated winner.
| sign          = [[User:Montanabw|<span style="color:blue;">Montanabw</span>]][[User talk:Montanabw|<sup style="color:orange;">(talk)</sup>]] 02:22, 8 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Support''' Both articles appear updated, reasonable long enough, and sourced. Item is ITNR so importance there. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 03:39, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
*Posted - I've used a blurb in the style of what we have posted in previous years. --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 04:07, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

*'''Strong Oppose''' Event is not very significant and no discussion has occurred before posting --[[User:LL212W|LL212W]] ([[User talk:LL212W|talk]]) 06:46, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{replyto|LL212W}}  This event is on the [[WP:ITNR|Recurring Items List]](ITNR), meaning that no discussion is required on the merits as this has already been determined to be notable.  This is very significant to the horse racing world and sports in general(over 160,000 people gathered to watch a two minute race)  Still, if you feel that this should not be on the ITNR list, you are welcome to propose its removal, though I think it unlikely to succeed. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
==May 6==
{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2016 May 6]]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2016 May 6}}
{{cob}}
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==== [Closed] RD:Chris Mitchell ====
{{archivetop|Stale. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 20:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Chris Mitchell (Scottish footballer)<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36241355 BBC]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The Almightey Drill <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Per recent deaths trial; unremarkable former footballer is front-page news in Scotland for "sudden death" at 27 (tabloids have already "deduced" a cause but let's not go there). I had a bit of a tidy/expansion of this article, I can still do more. <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 22:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' I for one oppose the trial run, but can't vote as the discussion has been closed. Similar to Ekeng or [[Piermario Morosini]]. Unfortunate death, but career-wise hardly RD-able. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   08:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' because a situation where the death is the story instead of the death of a notable person(which the nominator concedes) should be a blurb, and this does not warrant a blurb. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The above arguments are of course valid positions, but don't take into account whether or not the quality is sufficient. I deliberately chose this figure to trial the trial as trials should be trialled. [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 22:39, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] RD: Patrick Ekeng ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Patrick Ekeng<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes<!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36239333 BBC], [https://www.google.co.uk/#q=patrick+ekeng&tbm=nws 140,000 more]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = The Almightey Drill <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Well, by looking at the trial criteria, I have nominated this recent death. The deceased was not top of his sport, but the reaction to his death is in international news due to its televised nature, the youth of the deceased and the investigation which has found (possibly criminal) negligence by a private ambulance firm.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 21:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Comment''' agreed, if it's not posted before I wake up, I'll work on the article tomorrow morning to ensure it gets up to the standard required during this trial. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:20, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
**Thank you TRM [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 21:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' This death is interesting enough that I'd probably support it even without the trial. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I've added a couple more refs and there's nothing unreferenced that's remotely controversial, marked as ready. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:22, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article in good shape and his death is receiving media coverage. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 21:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''', died while playing, and—it seems—might have been saved if not for poor medical treatment.  <span style="font-family:Cambria;">[[User:Abductive|<span style="color:teal;">'''Abductive'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Abductive|reasoning]])</span> 21:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 21:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Reg Grundy ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Reg Grundy
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-36222958 BBC], [http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/broadcast/reg-grundy-australian-media-mogul-dead-at-92/news-story/a2a3041eba4afd25a5fcafeac17d12d5?nk=cfb429b18655ca0e93ccfee99540e4e4-1462803353 The Australian], [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/reg-grundy-australian-game-show-891765 The Hollywood Reporter], [http://www.rp-online.de/panorama/australischer-tv-pionier-reg-grundy-im-alter-von-92-jahren-gestorben-aid-1.5964581 Rheinische Post] 
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = JuneGloom07 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no
| note          = 
| nom cmt       = Grundy had a long career in television and helped create, produce or adapt some of the most well known Australian television shows, including ''[[Neighbours]]'' ''[[Prisoner: Cell Block H]]'', ''[[Sons and Daughters (Australian TV series)|Sons and Daughters]]'', ''[[Sale of the Century]]'' and ''[[Family Feud (1977 Australian game show)|Family Feud]]''. He was described as "the father of Australian television" and "a national treasure".[http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/may/09/australian-television-greats-pay-tribute-to-neighbours-creator-reg-grundy] He was awarded an [[Order of Australia|AC]] and an [[OBE]] for his work, and his surname became rhyming slang for underwear. 
| sign          = [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk</font>]] 14:36, 9 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Neutral/Weak support''' - Boy am I torn on this one. We don't get much of an opportunity to nominate RDs or events from Australia. However, it's hard to say whether or not this lives up to RD's objective criteria for posting. I am inclined to let this one go through as a [[litmus test]].--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 14:49, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' he died on 6 May. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 14:53, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' Article quality is not terrible.  Everything is referenced, and the article isn't a stub, which is usually the minimum necessary.  It would be nice if someone so important were to have a more extensive biography, which is why this is "weak" for now.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''FYI''' Note the new, temporary criteria described in the ambox here: [[Wikipedia:In the news#Recent deaths section]]. For the next month, ITN/C won't be evaluating the "importance" of someone when deciding whether to include them in RD or not, just on (a) being in the news, and (b) article quality. Please evaluate this nomination based on this new criteria. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' until orange tag is resolved. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
**I've taken care of that and everything should now be sourced. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom07'''</font>]]  [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk</font>]] 22:18, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:34, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] RD: Margot Honecker ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Margot Honecker
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.dw.com/en/margot-honecker-widow-of-former-east-german-leader-dies-in-chile/a-19240909 Deutsche Welle] [http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-people-germany-honecker-idUKKCN0XY0EM Reuters]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Presidentman <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = First Lady of [[East Germany]] and prominent Communist politician in her own right (nicknamed "Purple Witch" for her hard line stance and considered "'the most hated person' in East Germany next to Stasi chief Erich Mielke")
| sign          = [[User:Presidentman|Presidentman]] [[User talk:Presidentman|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Presidentman|contribs]] ([[WP:TBACK|Talkback]]) 21:01, 8 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Weak oppose''' Unless they did something spectacularly radical, I don't see how a former education minister is ever going to rise to the level of justifying inclusion at ITN, since every country will have dozens. With the possible exception of Prince Philip when he finally drops off, "married to famous person" has never been considered grounds for notability on Wikipedia, by very longstanding consensus; we made an exception for Nancy Reagan but that was very much a special case, since she was an internationally famous and influential person in her own right.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 21:19, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' following Iridescent's rational above. There's a hint that her role as ministry of education and forcing military training is a significant (if possibly negative) contribution, but what's described in the article towards that is non-existent. I'd also beg that with the Controversy section with two maintenance tags, that absolutely would have to be resolved (and not just by blanking) before considering this for posting. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:02, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – Although Frau Honecker did hold an official position in the [[DDR]], she was known mainly for being the wife of that last drudge of Stalinism, [[Erich Honecker]]. Thus she fails on notability. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 23:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''FYI''' Note the new, temporary criteria described in the ambox here: [[Wikipedia:In the news#Recent deaths section]]. For the next month, ITN/C won't be evaluating the "importance" of someone when deciding whether to include them in RD or not, just on (a) being in the news, and (b) article quality. Please evaluate this nomination based on this new criteria. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:27, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
::<small>Sorry, I hadn't taken note of the 'trial.' [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 19:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' until orange tags are resolved. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per [[WP:CSECTION]], I've incorporated well-cited text from the "Controversies" section into the main biography where it would have chronologically belonged.  That should resolve any issues; everything is well-cited and the article is comprehensive enough for the main page.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 12:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 12:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
:*'''Request:''' in view of "the new, temporary criteria described in the ambox", explained by [[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]], can you explain how this was posted (as part of the new '''month-long trial''')? Presumably on the basis that the orange tags mentioned in the one oppose vote were removed and in the light of one support vote? Why should one bother voting at all? You can judge article quality yourself? [[Special:Contributions/217.38.119.164|217.38.119.164]] ([[User talk:217.38.119.164|talk]]) 21:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
::*Quite so.  I assessed the updated article and decided that it was of sufficient quality for the main page.  You can vote, or not vote, that's up to you.  You may spot some quality issues, or holes in articles, that would be helpful to an assessing admin prior to posting.  Thanks for your interest in the trial.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 04:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Irish government formation/election of Taoiseach ====
{{archive top|1=Posted, any genuine errors in the hook can be discussed at [[WP:ERRORS]], any general approach to language and tailoring text for the masses can take place elsewhere.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:51, 8 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 Irish government formation
| article2      = Enda Kenny
| image         = EndaKenny.jpg
| blurb         = Negotiations on '''[[2016 Irish government formation|formation of the Irish government]]''' conclude with '''[[Enda Kenny]]''' ''(pictured)'' of [[Fine Gael]] being re-elected [[Taoiseach]] to lead a minority government in coalition with independent politicians.
| altblurb      = Negotiations on '''[[2016 Irish government formation|government formation]]''' following the [[Irish general election, 2016|2016 Irish general election]] conclude after 70 days with '''[[Enda Kenny]]''' ''(pictured)'' of [[Fine Gael]] being re-elected [[Taoiseach]].
| altblurb2     = '''[[Enda Kenny]]''' ''(pictured)'' of [[Fine Gael]] is re-elected [[Taoiseach]] of [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]] and '''[[2016 Irish government formation|forms a minority coalition government]]'''. 
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/enda-kenny-set-to-announce-minority-government-cabinet-1.2637567 The Irish Times], [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/06/enda-kenny-wins-second-term-as-irelands-prime-minister The Guardian], [http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/new-minority-government-will-test-our-character-says-enda-kenny-34691525.html Irish Independent]
| updated       = yes
| updated2      = yes
| nominator     = Kwekubo <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = PolOTuathail
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Kwekubo|Kwekubo]] ([[User talk:Kwekubo|talk]]) 17:17, 6 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' articles look to be in good shape.  The blurbs are a bit wordy; I'm wondering if there is a way to condense it a bit.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 17:30, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support on improvements''' - Importance clear. The government formation article is fine, but Kenny's has several CNs and a handful of unsourced paragraph, including one under the Vatican part that includes unsourced quotes, which absolutely must be fixed. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - but please make the blurb a little shorter and less "specialized" for people not so well versed in politics. Maybe a simply "Enda Kenny is re-elected Taoiseach of Ireland and forms a minority government." is just fine. [[User:Colipon|Colipon]]+<small>([[User talk:Colipon|Talk]])</small> 23:50, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – Yes, but make it "[[Taoiseach]] (prime minister)" for English-speaking readers, please. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]])
*'''Support''' alt II, without the "(prime minister)". The English term for Taoiseach is Taoiseach; the mention of "prime minister" in the article is an explanation of what the role entails, not a job title.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 09:44, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
:::[[Taoiseach]]: "The words Taoiseach and Tánaiste are both from the '''Irish language''' and of ancient origin." 
:::''Oxford:'' "'''Taoiseach''' – The '''prime minister''' of the Republic of Ireland. – Origin: Irish, literally 'chief, leader'." 
:::– Why not write in a manner that is readily understood by most readers? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:36, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
::::For the same reason we don't call Angela Merkel "Chancellor (prime minister)", or Li Keqiang "Premier (prime minister)"; because "Prime Minister" is never used WRT Ireland, even when writing in English. Note that the term [http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/ doesn't appear once on even the English version of his website].&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 14:46, 7 May 2016 
:::::''Chancellor'' and ''premier'' are in general English-language use; ''taoiseach'' is not. The term taoiseach would never be applied in English to any government leader except the Irish one, and won't be comprehended by most of the world's 1.2 billion speakers of English as a first or second language.
:::::This is not British Wikipedia, it's the English-language Wikipedia. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:06, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Nor is it American Wikipedia, so we stop using terms like "plurality" then, yes?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 15:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Agree it's not American Wiki. It's the English-language Wikipedia.
:::::::Is ''plurality'' unknown in British English? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 18:13, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, as you're told every single time the issue arises here; the British equivalent would be "largest share of the vote". Incidentally, since it appears to have escaped your attention, Ireland is not in fact in Britain.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 18:19, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::"Escaped my attention"? I know that, and I strongly suspect that you know I know that. 
:::::::::However, for historical and geographic reasons, I believe Ireland is – or traditionally was – considered part of the [[British Isles]], and that the English spoken in the Republic of Ireland is a variant of British English. Correct me if I'm wrong. Now, how about having a civil discussion of the issue, without snarky asides? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 23:23, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Nothing further to discuss here, the hook is accurate, the terms are linked where appropriate.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:12, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::<small>'''PS:''' I don't believe I've ever used the word ''plurality'' here, and I'm not fond of it for ITN purposes since it may not be readily understood by many readers. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC)</small>

*'''Posted'''.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' of the term taoiseach. That's what the office is called, just because some Yanks don't know the term, doesn't mean we can use it. If we applied this in reverse, half the politcal stuff on here wouldn't be posted. [[User:Fgf10|Fgf10]] ([[User talk:Fgf10|talk]]) 12:47, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
::<small>More like "no Yanks." [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:03, 8 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
:::<small>And no Brits know the term 'plurality'. Your point is? [[User:Fgf10|Fgf10]] ([[User talk:Fgf10|talk]]) 15:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC) </small>
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==== [Closed] Boaty McBoatface ====
{{archive top|1=Although I'm absolutely outraged by this, I agree with the consensus that this is not ITN, and would make an excellent DYK.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:31, 6 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = RRS Sir David Attenborough<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = The [[Natural Environment Research Council]] announces that the name of its new ship will be '''[[RRS Sir David Attenborough|RRS ''Sir David Attenborough'']]''' despite RRS ''Boaty McBoatface'' being the most popular in a public vote.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = The [[Natural Environment Research Council]] announces that the name of its new ship will be '''[[RRS Sir David Attenborough|RRS ''Sir David Attenborough'']]''', although RRS ''Boaty McBoatface'' was the most popular in a public vote.<!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36225652 (bbc)]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Mjroots <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 15:09, 6 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*As much as I would love to support this – it's a story that pretty much everyone saw and had a small chuckle about – '''oppose''' as an entirely forgettable blip in the grand scheme of things. I do wish we had something like [[:de:Hauptseite|the German Wikipedia]], where they put a few links to interesting articles that are in the news but don't deserve full blurbs. This would fit nicely there. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 15:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''DYK'''.  Isn't this pretty much tailor made for DYK?  Did you know ... that an online poll to name [[RRS Sir David Attenborough|RRS ''Sir David Attenborough'']] recommended the name ''Boaty McBoatface''?  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 15:22, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as trivial. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:21, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' but strongly support a DYK on this since the article was just created. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:26, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - How dare they did not go with the most publicly favored option ''Boaty McBoatface''.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 16:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
**Quite easily, it's a ship, not a boat. ''Shippy McShipface'' would have been a more accurate name. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 16:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' but what Masem said. This should definitely be on DYK. Nice article. – [[user:filelakeshoe|filelakeshoe]] ([[user talk:filelakeshoe|t]] / [[special:contributions/filelakeshoe|c]]) [[User:filelakeshoe/kocour|<font face="webdings"><big>&#xF0F6;</big></font>]] 17:01, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as a form of protest. I refuse to recognize the boat as anything but Boaty McBoatface  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/162.95.148.250|162.95.148.250]] ([[User talk:162.95.148.250|talk]]) 17:17, 6 May 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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==== [Closed] Mayor of London election ====
{{archive top|1=Strong consensus against posting this item.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Sadiq Khan
| article2      = London mayoral election, 2016
| image         = Sadiq Khan.jpg
| blurb         = '''[[Sadiq Khan]]''' is '''[[London mayoral election, 2016|elected]]''' [[Mayor of London]].
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = '''[[Sadiq Khan]]''' becomes the first Muslim to be '''[[London mayoral election, 2016|elected]]''' [[Mayor of London]].
| altblurb2     = '''[[Sadiq Khan]]''' becomes the first Muslim Mayor of a major western city after being '''[[London mayoral election, 2016|elected]]''' [[Mayor of London]].
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Smurrayinchester <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = As I post this, 80% of the votes have been counted, but Khan has a significant lead and [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sadiq-khan-london-mayor-mayoral-election-results-latest-updates-zac-goldsmith-a7016526.html all] [http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/counting-begins-to-decide-the-next-mayor-of-london-a3241496.html news] organisations are calling it for him. Obviously wait until final results before posting, but I wanted to start the discussion early since I suspect this will be a controversial nomination.
| nom cmt       = Testing the waters here. London is one of two [[Global city#GaWC study|alpha++ global cities]] (along with New York) and one of four whose mayoral/gubernatorial elections get global coverage (I also saw a fair bit about [[Paris municipal election, 2014|Paris]] and [[Tokyo gubernatorial election, 2014|Tokyo's]] elections in the British press), and the fact he's the first Muslim to potentially be mayor is very widely reported. On the other hand, we didn't post [[Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/November 2013#.5BClosed.5D Bill de Blasio to become New York's next mayor|de Blasio becoming mayor of New York]].
| sign          = [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 12:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Weak support''' for the 'first Muslim' angle.  de Blasio was not a groundbreaking candidate.  That said, I understand not posting mayoral elections in general. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' both bolded articles are in decent enough shape for the main page, fully referenced and extensive enough.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 13:12, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Also, I added another altblurb, the formulation "Muslim Mayor of London" has some grammatical/parsing issues (makes it sound like there's a singular position called "Muslim Mayor" and he's the first person to hold it.)  I've rephrased to avoid the ambiguity.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 13:15, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose'''.  Still only a mayor, even if London is a [[List of metropolitan areas by population|top-25 metro area]].  Unless he is somehow promising to promote an Islamic agenda, his personal religion is a rather trivial matter (as is race, gender, family's national origin, what college he attended, etc.).  For me, that bit of trivia doesn't overcome the fact he is a still only running for mayor.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 13:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
::Disagree that his religion is a trivial matter when David Cameron comments on it: [http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/mps-shout-racist-at-cameron-after-comments-on-sadiq-khan-in-pmqs] [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:32, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
:::How does that change anything about the event? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
::::If you feel it doesn't change anything, I respect that, but it is not trivial when the head of government of a country basically states that a mayoral candidate in the country's largest city is associated with 'extremists'. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::It's part of the (domestic) news of the day, all right, but IMO not up to ITN standards. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:07, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Maybe trivia is not quite the right word, but in our world of [[identity politics]] it is hardly uncommon for politicians to comment on personal characteristics that have little or no obvious connection to a candidate's capabilities and policy.  We often see religion, race, gender being brought up in contentious campaigns.  Just because it is a part of the political rhetoric does not necessarily mean we should also give a lot of significance to someone being the first X to be elected Y, if we wouldn't ordinarily regard being elected Y as a sufficient reason to post.  Incidentally, due to a quirk of London politics, he is also only the third person to be directly elected Mayor as no such elected office existed before 2000.
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* '''Oppose''' – Per [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons]]. And, note that posting the election of [[Bill de Blasio|de Blasio]] was unanimously opposed by five ITN regulars in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/November_2013#.5BClosed.5D_Bill_de_Blasio_to_become_New_York.27s_next_mayor 2013.] – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' - This type of nom (the first X to be Y) is one we have to be really careful about because it has the possibility to propagate out of control. If we would normally post Y, then mentioning X is fine (eg mentioning Obama as the first African American US President) but going out of our way to post Y to feature X is a problem. But that does make for a good DYK... --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 13:50, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
* We should make a decision if we want to fight bias or embrace it - we did not post Donald Trump winning Indiana, but every now and then some people will argue that so-and-so article gets so many page views which means people find it interesting, and if we're not here to serve our readers what are we doing? If that argument is acceptable, then since page views arise because of bias, we should embrace it. If we elect to fight bias then I would oppose this; if we elect to embrace bias then I would support. With all that said I personally think we should fight bias and therefore I '''oppose''' this per arguments raised by Dragons flight. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 13:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Weak something or other''' I don't really mind either way, it's one of those stories that is interesting but possibly not notable enough.  Would be a good hook for DYK (and we certainly need more of those). [[User talk:LauraJamieson|Laura Jamieson (talk)]] 14:04, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
::Agree with [[User:Masem|Masem]]'s comment re the first X to be Y. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose mentioning religion, if posted''' I don't mind either way if this is posted, but if it is I would oppose mentioning Kahn's as it's not relevant to the position or his politics, despite the Conservative campaign going out of it's way to promote racism. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 15:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' I have seen this among the leading news items in France and Spain, no idea about elsewhere. On the subject of religion, it is true that this is not a defining part of his platform (he has spoken of the retribution he has faced for supporting equal marriage) but it has been the main cause of muck thrown at him by opponents. I see in the lead of [[John F. Kennedy]] he is mentioned as the first Catholic president, and that is notable in a historical context because of bigotry in the campaign against him, despite him obviously not turning America into a theocracy. [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 15:54, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Sub-national election of an official with limited powers. Yes this is important for London (and for me personally, as a recent Londoner and frequent visitor) but ITN avoids posting local elections for very good reasons. Khan's religion is neither here nor there; the UK has long had elected officials from minority religions. The fact that this is the first time an elected London mayor has been a Muslim becomes even less impressive when you remember that he's only the third person to hold the position (after [[Ken Livingstone]] and [[Boris Johnson]]). [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:17, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
**Interestingly, of those two, Livingstone has said in interviews that based on her name and lack of records, his grandmother may have been a Jewish refugee, and Johnson has Jewish and Muslim ancestors. There aren't too many Londoners who can trace their roots to the same city over centuries. [[User:The Almightey Drill|&#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39;]] ([[User talk:The Almightey Drill|talk]]) 21:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
***{{ping|The Almightey Drill}} And [[Zac Goldsmith]], who came second, has Jewish ancestry (although is not himself Jewish). London is indeed a multicultural city. [[User:Modest Genius|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 10:44, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. This is pretty unremarkable, it's a mayoral election, I don't ever really recall seeing mayors of NYC, Paris, Tokyo being posted on here – so it's mundane ''unless'' we mention that he's a muslim. In this case, it may seem remarkable to an outsider who has the idea that we Brits live in some kind of Mary Poppins land, but it's really not. London is a multicultural city, which has elected plenty of non-white British MPs over the last decades, and Sadiq is in fact only the third person to ever be elected Mayor of London. So it's really nothing special, and posting it this way will just serve to legitimise the divisive campaign played out by his opponent. So not feeling it qualifies as world news. – [[user:filelakeshoe|filelakeshoe]] ([[user talk:filelakeshoe|t]] / [[special:contributions/filelakeshoe|c]]) [[User:filelakeshoe/kocour|<font face="webdings"><big>&#xF0F6;</big></font>]] 17:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
::Legitimizing it or not is irrelevant; we don't make judgment calls like that here; it is what it is and will be discussed as such. While you might not feel that it qualifies as world news, many news outlets would disagree with you. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 17:09, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Extremely weak support''' on the grounds of him being elected as mayor to one of the largest cities in the world. I do not think the religion is relevant. JFK's Catholicism would not have been emphasized were ITN existent around this time.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 17:20, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Extremely strong support''': Alternative blurb as first choice, its historical and significant. [[User:SheriffIsInTown|'''<span style="color:blue;">Sh</span><span style="color:red;">eri</span><span style="color:blue;">ff</span>''']] | [[User talk:SheriffIsInTown|'''<span style="color:black;">☎ 911</span>''']] | 18:43, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
:::<small>Do the above comments represent the Extremist Vote? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 18:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
*'''Oppose''' - Change of leadership of countries is one thing, leadership of a city is another. If this is posted, then the results of the Welsh and Scottish assemblies/parliament elections should be announced as well. [[User:Optimist on the run|Optimist on the run]] ([[User talk:Optimist on the run|talk]]) 19:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' the only real shaft of interest is the muslim angle, and since we're not in the game for righting wrongs, this isn't really a story of any interest.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Conditional support''': the only thing really a story here is that he's the first Muslim mayor of a major western city,<ref>https://www.rt.com/uk/342106-sadiq-khan-london-mayor/</ref> though this also has problems no matter how you phrase it. I propose the following blurb:
'''''[[Sadiq Khan]]''' becomes the first [[Muslim]] Mayor of a major western city after being '''[[London mayoral election, 2016|elected]]''' [[Mayor of London]].'' 
[[User:Nub Cake|Nub Cake]] ([[User talk:Nub Cake|talk]]) 01:24, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose''' – Local level elections are not posted barring something exceptionally contentious and posting this would set a highly unwanted precedent. The only angle being pushed here is Khan's religion, and it's not our place to highlight that as the most important aspect (it's decent trivia material, though). If you take out the religion, all you're left with is a routine election of a mayor, a story no one would consider posting. ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 02:37, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' a quote from his article "Tabloid sources reported that the imam of a Bradford mosque issued a fatwa in which he declared him to no longer be a Muslim; and police subsequently advised him to review his security" which alludes to him being a Muslim only in name. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 04:59, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
**'''Comment''', the key issue here is how Khan himself identifies himself. That 1 local mosque imam disowns him should not be given disproportionate importance. --[[User:Soman|Soman]] ([[User talk:Soman|talk]]) 07:03, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
**Anyone can issue a [[fatwa]]. Khan isn't even from Bradford and has no links to this mosque - it's just a radical trying to cause trouble (if you read the sentence before, it was a protest against him voting for same-sex marriage). Khan doesn't drink and [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/sadiq-khan-if-youre-the-only-one-fasting-at-ramadan-you-do-stand-out-8563503.html fasts at Ramadan], so I don't think there's much reason to doubt that he's a Muslim! [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 08:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose'''; parochial election of a local official to a largely symbolic post with [[Mayor_of_London#Powers_and_functions|few actual powers]]; the mayor of London isn't equivalent to the mayors of Paris, New York etc who actually exert significant control over their cities. Also '''strongly oppose''' the "Muslim" angle if this does run; "city which is 15% Muslim elects a Muslim candidate one time out of five" is totally non-surprising except for some (mainly American) media outlets who appear to think London is populated entirely by cheery Cockneys and loveable toffs.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 08:50, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Ready] Ahmet Davutoğlu resignation ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Ahmet Davutoğlu
| article2      =
| image         = File:Ahmet Davutoğlu Portre (cropped) 2.jpg
| blurb         =  [[Prime Minister of Turkey|Turkish prime minister]] '''[[Ahmet Davutoğlu]]''' announces his resignation, effective 22 May.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = [[Prime Minister of Turkey|Turkish Prime Minister]] '''[[Ahmet Davutoğlu]]''' (pictured) '''[[Ahmet Davutoğlu#Resignation as Prime Minister|resigns]]''' following [[Pelican files|disagreements]] with President [[Recep Tayyip Erdoğan]]
| altblurb2     = [[Prime Minister of Turkey|Turkish prime minister]] '''[[Ahmet Davutoğlu]]''' announces his resignation.
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/05/ahmet-davutoglus-future-turkish-prime-minister-balance]
| updated       = yes
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| nominator     = CaradhrasAiguo <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = CaradhrasAiguo
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| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Obvious recurring item, PM being the head of government in Turkey.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
|sign          = <font color="8B0000">Caradhras</font>Aiguo ([[User talk:CaradhrasAiguo|talk]]) 13:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* '''Support on improvements/update''' - Importance is clear, and while the article is nearly there, there's a couple paragraphs that are unsourced and refer to "claims", thus absolutely requiring sources. Further, I would expect there to be a section regarding his resignation, while will likely have updates over time, but should be established now to describe the events leading up to it. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:11, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''' – notable political event. [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 14:34, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Weak support''' Mention is VERY brief in the lede.  The main text of the article (probably the Premiership section) should be updated with a more elaborate text explaining the particulars and context of his resignation.  Otherwise, however, the article is really solid, extensive and well referenced.  If we can have a more extensive update, this would be a great article to link from the main page.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:24, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support with a different blurb:''' ''[[Prime Minister of Turkey|Turkish Prime Minister]] [[Ahmet Davutoğlu]] ''(pictured)'' '''[[Ahmet Davutoğlu#Resignation as Prime Minister|resigns]]''' following [[Pelican files|disagreements]] with President [[Recep Tayyip Erdoğan]]'' - also with an appropriate picture (see left). I've added a sourced section detailing facts about the resignation on the article. [[User:Nub Cake|Nub Cake]] ([[User talk:Nub Cake|talk]]) 01:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
::Putting this into the alt blurb and adding image into the nomination. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 02:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - this kind of thing should be ITNR, even if they are not "recurring". [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 02:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*:You know where the nomination page is.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – This domestic political tussle may or may not presage any subsequent change of significance. On Thursday Davutoğlu was still making strong statements of personal loyalty to Erdoğan. Undecided. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:52, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
:*{{Ping|Sca}} You probably know that what public figures state (lie, often) in public vs. what they state in private is not entirely harmonious. I think Davutoğlu's public statements of loyalty to Erdoğan may have been in part to [[Pelican files|save face]] and in part to keep damage to the Turkish lira to a minimum. <font color="8B0000">Caradhras</font>Aiguo ([[User talk:CaradhrasAiguo|talk]]) 02:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
*This is an obvious wait till it happens. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 14:43, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*::It has happened. He announced his resignation 5th May. [[User:Nub Cake|Nub Cake]] ([[User talk:Nub Cake|talk]]) 13:01, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - obviously, major political news.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 21:33, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' so has he resigned (per alt blurb) or has he announced his intention to do so (per main blurb)?  Will we be posting his replacement at as ITNR in a couple of weeks time?  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:32, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
:*{{Ping|The Rambling Man}} Resigned effective 22 May (per my blurb) at the next AKP session. <font color="8B0000">Caradhras</font>Aiguo ([[User talk:CaradhrasAiguo|talk]]) 21:26, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Very well, '''oppose''' until it happens. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:45, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - looks like the resignation is happening. Also, the article on Ahmet Davutoğlu is remarkably comprehensive. [[User:Christian Roess|Christian Roess]] ([[User talk:Christian Roess|talk]]) 02:10, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
*I'd like to post "Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoğlu announces his resignation", full stop. The "effective 22 May" addendum bugs me in a way I can't quite explain. Is my suggestion acceptable, or does omitting that part suggest that the resignation was immediate? --[[User:Bongwarrior|Bongwarrior]] ([[User talk:Bongwarrior|talk]]) 04:20, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
:: Added your suggestion to ALT2. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 05:00, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' – It's been three days – at this point it's getting stale and has faded from news sites. Considering that the practical effect of his resignation remains unclear, that pushes it off the ITN stage, IMO. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Closed] California marijuana legalization initiative ====
{{archive top|consensus against, at least for now and possibly for good. [[User:Bencherlite|Bencherlite]][[User talk:Bencherlite|<i><sup>Talk</sup></i>]] (using his alt account [[user:Bencherheavy|Bencherheavy]]) 13:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Adult Use of Marijuana Act
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = Over 600,000 California voter signatures supporting the [[Adult Use of Marijuana Act]] were collected, enough to put it on the 2016 general election ballot.
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = <ref>{{citation|title=California marijuana legalization 2016 campaign launches with Lt. Gov. Newsom|author=Jimi Devine |date=May 4, 2016|newspaper=San Francisco Chronicle|url=http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2016/05/04/california-marijuana-legalization-2016-campaign-launches-with-lt-gov-newsom/}}</ref><ref>{{citation|newspaper=USA Today|title=California likely to vote on marijuana legalization in November
|author=Trevor Hughes|date=May 4, 2016|url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/05/04/california-likely-vote-marijuana-legalization-november/83926306/}}</ref>
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Brianhe <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Timely and relevant – the entire U.S. West Coast and a significant fraction of U.S. population will be in decriminalized states if this passes.
| sign          = [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 09:20, 5 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' I think this should be posted ''if it passes'' and not now. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:26, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' Per TRM, I'm not opposed towards posting an article about this topic, but this is the wrong time.  Petitions aren't binding, and when this becomes law would be the appropriate time to post it if we have a quality article to post.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 09:33, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
::Comments. First, this is widely expected to pass based on polling. Second, the story is going to be swamped by US federal elections this fall. – [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 09:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Bit [[WP:CRYSTAL|crystal bally]] for me.  We can't just post it based on "wide expectations". [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:39, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' per TRM. Unless there is major controversy about it appearing on the ballot ''and'' this makes news outside the region of the relevant ballot (in which case we would consider posting news about the controversy, not about the ballot), then this should be posted only if it passes. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 10:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' in any case. Per [[Cannabis in the United States]], it's already legal in at least four states. So legalization in California isn't particularly newsworthy. [[User:Brandmeister|Brandmeister]]<sup>[[User talk:Brandmeister|talk]]</sup>   10:05, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*(ec) '''Oppose''' under any circumstances. This is not groundbreaking as marijuana is already legal in Colorado, Washington state, and a few other places.  [[Maine marijuana legalization referendum, 2016|Maine already has a referendum]] on the ballot for this year as well(disclosure: I started that article). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:07, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' - The principle of this is not to be understated; if California goes, the rest of the U.S. is sure to follow suit. However, it actually has to ''go'' first.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 11:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] RD: Jean-Baptiste Bagaza ====
{{archive top|Stale stub. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 02:29, 10 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Jean-Baptiste Bagaza
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = yes
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2     = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/world/africa/jean-baptiste-bagaza-ex-leader-of-burundi-is-dead-at-69.html?_r=0 New York Times]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = EternalNomad <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Longest-serving president of Burundi to date, leader of his political party at the time of death
| sign          = [[User:EternalNomad|EternalNomad]] ([[User talk:EternalNomad|talk]]) 21:58, 4 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Support''' on notability. Article is a stub but what is there is well referenced. I'm about to fix the plain citations but don't have time to expand the article. There is plenty of material in the New York Times and Le Monde (if you speak French) obituaries to flesh out the article. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 23:06, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support notability''' but oppose quality.  Needs expansion beyond stub.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 09:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on length only.  If the article were expanded to be a significant biography of his life and work, this could be posted.  There's very little there now, however.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 09:34, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability, oppose on quality. [[User:Baking Soda|Baking Soda]] ([[User talk:Baking Soda|talk]]) 13:17, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on article quality - it's a stub article and a sad state of affairs for a person that has at least 40 years of history in the politics of their nation. [[User:Challenger l|Challenger l]] ([[User talk:Challenger l|talk]]) 09:39, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] IBM's 5 qubit quantum computer is made available to the public via the internet ====
{{archive top|1=No consensus to post this.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:29, 7 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = Quantum computing
| article2      = IBM <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = 
| blurb         =  [[IBM]]'s 5 qubit [[quantum computer]] is made available to the public via the internet 
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = 
| altblurb2     = 
| altblurb3     = <!-- A third alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources       = [http://www.wired.com/2016/05/ibm-letting-anyone-play-quantum-computer/ Wired]
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Count Iblis <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = 
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = For the vast majority of us, this will be the first opportunity that we can access a quantum computing device.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
|sign          = [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''In-principle support''' - a successful quantum computer will represent a huge increase in computing power. This is not a breakthrough - according to [[timeline of quantum computing]] quantum computers have passed the 1000-qubit mark - but it's still an interesting step in that development. With that said, I think for this particular news item, both [[quantum computing]] and [[IBM]] are too wide to be target articles. An individual article on ''this'' computer would be OK. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 00:49, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*:The 1000-qubit claim associated with [[D-Wave Systems]] is highly controversial.  Their [[quantum annealing]] chips operate on a different principle than most quantum computers, and it is disputed whether they are using quantum entanglement at all.  They can't implement [[Shor's algorithm]], for example.  The largest systems not produced by D-Wave are much, much smaller.   [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 09:02, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Won't say I'm an expert on quantum computers (I know the theory, but not the experimental realization) - still the [[Shor's algorithm]] lede says "Since April 2016, the largest integer factored on a quantum device is 200099, using D-Wave 2X quantum processor [http://arxiv.org/abs/1604.05796]" ... (off topic). [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 13:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' IBM is beta-testing a new product and has put out a press-release.  See [[WP:SOAP]] and [[churnalism]]. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 07:11, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Ctrl-Alt-Delete''' - Manufactured puffery; [[churnalism]] as Andrew D. so succinctly put it.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 11:59, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' A very silly publicity stunt (although I'm still going to have a play with it). 5 qubit quantum computers have existed for ages and can do virtually nothing more complicated than add 2 + 2. A conventional computer could simulate a 5 qubit machine without much problem. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 08:14, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
::Maybe so, but quantum computers are fundamentally different from classical computers, with vastly greater potential. An analogy - the first steam-powered vehicles could barely move and had to be rested very often to allow the boiler to cool. Today, cars are ubiquitous. The same might apply to quantum computers one day. As for the publicity stunt angle, we have posted items in the past that are arguably advertising (e.g. AlphaGo), and will probably do so again. So for example if Virgin Galactic lands someone on the moon or a fully autonomous car become commercially available, I imagine we would post that too. It comes down to significance. Perhaps my background makes me attribute more significance to quantum computers than most. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 08:28, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
::They may have existed for ages but there is no way you could have accessed one from your living room until now. There are interesting things you can do with just a one qubit system, e.g. measuring how it interacts with the environment. Suppose that the qubit is not going to be flipped from |0> to |1> due to interactions. But the environment will evolve differently depending on the state of the qubit. So, the environment + qubit initially in a state |E>|> will become |E0>|0> while the initial state |E>|1> will become |E1>|1>. Then how can we measure this effect by only measuring the qubit, as the qubit is not affected at all? This can be done by initializing the qubit in the state |0>, and then applying the Hadamard transform U which changes |0> to U|0> = 1/sqrt(2) [|0> + |1>] and |1> to U|1> = 1/sqrt(2) [|0> - |1>]. Note that U is its own inverse, applying U twice to a qubit brings it back to the original state. But due to the interaction with the environment this isn't the case. Computing U|q> with |q> =  1/sqrt(2) [|E0>|0> + |E1>|1> ] yields 1/2 [(|E0> + |E1>)|0> + (|E0> - |E1>)|1>]. So, there is then a probability of 1/2 [1 - Re(<E0|E1>)] of finding the qubit in the state |1>. [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 20:07, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Obvious oppose'''. I don't know where this recent trend of nominating things at ITN that don't have Wikipedia articles can come from, but can it please go back there? What exactly are you asking us to judge the quality of?&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 20:17, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] Fort McMurray wildfire ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = Landscape view of wildfire near Highway 63 in south Fort McMurray.jpg
| blurb         = [[Fort McMurray]] is destroyed by '''[[2016 Fort McMurray wildfire|wildfire]]''' as its entire population of 88,000 is evacuated.    
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| altblurb      = '''[[2016 Fort McMurray wildfire|Wildfire]]''' threatens the Canadian city of [[Fort McMurray]] as 88,000 people are evacuated.
| altblurb2     = Over 1,600 buildings are destroyed and 88,000 people are displaced after a '''[[2016 Fort McMurray wildfire|wildfire]]''' burns significant portions of the Canadian city of [[Fort McMurray, Alberta|Fort McMurray]].
| altblurb3     = 88,000 people are evacuated after a '''[[2016 Fort McMurray wildfire|wildfire]]''' destroys over 1,600 buildings in [[Fort McMurray, Alberta|Fort McMurray]], Canada.
| sources       = [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36199993 (BBC)], [http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/wildfire-rages-in-fort-mcmurray-as-evacuees-settle-in-edmonton-1.3565573 (CBC)], [http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/04/world/fort-mcmurray-fire-canada/ (CNN)] ect...
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| updated2      = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator     = Jenda H. <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = Natural RX
| updater2      = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Huge human tragedy and also main centre of Canadian oil industry is burned down.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[User:Jenda H.|Jenda H.]] ([[User talk:Jenda H.|talk]]) 13:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Comment''' Blurb seems overexaggerating. Linked news stories and our article clearly note parts of the town are destroyed, but certainly not the entire town. (The full evacuation, however, is correct). Also to note that no deaths have appeared to be reported yet, making this a common wildfire and likely not ITN worthy, but I'm not yet fully assured on that point. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
**Agree, blurb is overexagerated. This is big enough news as is. No need to make it seem bigger. (80k refugees is a fairly big number for wildfires, AFAIK)&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Chris Woodrich]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:48, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*** Well 1,600 structures affected.(BBC) Also this is map of damage in city.[https://www.google.cz/search?q=Fort+McMurray&biw=1252&bih=582&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwikyO-f9MDMAhUD1hoKHRdJD6cQ_AUIBygC#tbm=isch&q=fort+mcmurray+fire+map&imgrc=A1wpvmvAFS9VDM%3A ] We should wait, but I thing all possibilities are on table. --[[User:Jenda H.|Jenda H.]] ([[User talk:Jenda H.|talk]]) 17:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC) 
**** 1600 structures (though I did see a number may be mobile homes) is still a significant value, so I '''Support Alt2''', which seems accurate without exaggeration. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 17:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*Added an altblurb.  For now '''Weak support''' Article is ''barely'' above stub stage.  Would be nice to see it expanded some.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 15:39, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' Article could use some expanding. 80,000 does seem like a really high number for wildfire refugees, though. The municipality's Twitter page is showing that the evacuation was successful with [https://twitter.com/RMWoodBuffalo/status/727897683940257792 no injuries or casualties]. <span class="nowrap"><font color="red">Canuck</font><small><sup><font color="red">89</font> [[User talk:Canuckian89|(converse with me)]]</small></sup> <small>16:40, May 4, 2016 (UTC)</small></span>
*'''Support''' and propose Alt2 - the Premier has revealed that over 1600 buildings have been destroyed (the previous worst in Alberta's history was one third of this) and there are fears today could be as bad as yesterday.  This is, without exaggeration, becoming one of the most significant natural disasters in Canadian history. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:56, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support ALT II''' - article needs a bit of structure (lede, May 2, May 3, May 4 etc?) but is otherwise good to go. Everything is referenced, significant evacuation of a major city. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 17:53, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

*'''Support and comment''' I have restructured the article and provided some significant updates. --'''[[User:Natural RX|<font color="#000000">Natural</font>]] [[User talk:Natural RX|<font color="#228b22">R</font><sub><font color="#000000">X</font></sub>]]''' 18:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' but no real decision from me on the blurb.  This was the second news story on my radio this morning, and considering my radio was thousands of miles away from this disaster, I'd consider this to be noteworthy.  Article is just about good enough and will no doubt evolve.  Marked as ready, with a tinge of guilt as I don't know the best verbiage with which this should be posted.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per all the above explanations about notability. I've proposed a third altblurb as I don't like Alt1 and Alt2 is way too wordy for my taste. If mine didn't start with a number I'd have just posted that, but as it stands I want to get another opinion on it first. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 20:02, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''', with my own version of Alt3, tweaked a little more to avoid starting the blurb with a number. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Suggestion''' Maybe we should mention that it's the entire city that has been evacuated. [[User:Tinss|Tinss]] ([[User talk:Tinss|talk]]) 20:34, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::I don't actively object, but the reason I didn't take that bit of info from the original blurb is because we generally need to keep blurbs relatively short. So info like that, or the fact that the 88,000 were evidently evacuated with no injuries, etc., etc., would quickly overwhelm the section. That info is in the article. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:39, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
::I was weighing that when I proposed Alt2.  I decided going with the absolute number was better for the blurb since it sets a figure people understand at a glance.  Without knowing how many people live in Fort McMurray noting that the entire city was evacuated doesn't offer much context.  i.e.: The entire community of Slave Lake was [[2011 Slave Lake wildfire|evacuated for similar reasons]] in 2011, and that was only 7000 people. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 20:45, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
* Another blurb proposed: ''A state of emergency has been declared in the [[Canada|Canadian]] province of [[Alberta]], after a '''[[2016 Fort McMurray wildfire|wildfire]]''' forced full-scale evacuation of [[Fort McMurray]].'' --[[User:Jenda H.|Jenda H.]] ([[User talk:Jenda H.|talk]]) 08:49, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
* Considering how big the fire has become i suggest updating the blurb as well. Something along the lines of proposed blurb by Jenda ''A state of emergency has been declared in the [[Canada|Canadian]] province of [[Alberta]], after a '''[[2016 Fort McMurray wildfire|wildfire]]''' grows to over 850 sq km.'' -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 00:58, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' – Are we sure all 88,000 have been evacuated? From what I've seen, the big evacuation convoy was only getting under way Fri. a.m. (UTC -7:00). And keep in mind there were 49 fires burning in an area of some 300 sq. mi. (210,000 acres). [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
**That is the number of actual evacuees according to the government.  And it can get confusing because a large number of people on Tuesday were forced to evacuate north, ''into'' the forest.  The convoys you are referring to are moving those same people south, back toward population centres. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 16:29, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
:::I'm confused. How does [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36232856 this] fit into that? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:05, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Convoys are making their way south. Best place to cover this is [http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/breaking/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-may5/ cbc] probably not bbc. The fire are roughly the size of new york city. Our blurb seems to point out an outdated stat that doesnt necessarily show how big this fire is. again i suggest updating -- [[User:Ashishg55|Ashish]][[User talk:Ashishg55|-g55]] 22:14, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::CBC noted. TNX. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:23, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Closed] Donald Trump wins Indiana====
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{{ITN candidate
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| article2      = Donald Trump <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Donald Trump]] defeats [[Ted Cruz]] and [[John Kasich]] to win the Republican presidential primary.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
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| sources       = [http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/indiana-primary-results-live-updates/index.html CNN], <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nominator     = Count Iblis <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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| nom cmt       = This is a decisive win for Trump to secure the nomination even if he doesn't end up getting 1237 delegates as Cruz is now guaranteed to stay very so far behind. This means that if Cruz were to become the nominee in a brokered convention, that will destroy the GOP.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
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* '''Strong oppose''' First and foremost, the only clear point to post about the elections in the US is on the first Tuesday in November, when it happens. What goes on in the primaries is not appropriate -- barring the potential of the brokered convention, and even that would be an iffy ITN. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose'''. A party choosing its candidate for an office(which hasn't even been formally done here) does not merit posting. Imagine ITN being loaded down with this sort of story from countries all over the world. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 23:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''SNOW close''' Of course not. (A) It's only one contest and there are more to go, so (B) Trump hasn't clinched anything. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 23:38, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''No'''.  Honestly, I don't think we've ever posted someone winning a party nomination, let alone someone winning a single primary. [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 23:41, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Moratorium''' on all U.S. election stories until the final general election in November, when the winning candidate is decided.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 00:49, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*:'''Comment'''. The winning candidate will be officially decided on January 6, 2017 at 1:00 pm. [[User:Count Iblis|Count Iblis]] ([[User talk:Count Iblis|talk]]) 01:05, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
**{{ec}} Unless it's something truly exceptional (by which I mean something as significant as the death of one of the candidates or the election being postponed), I would tend to agree with that. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 01:10, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
**Agree with Thryduulf, but because of the possibility of the truly exceptional happening, I would oppose a moratorium on all US election stories. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 01:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
***Violence at a convention, on par with the [[1968 Democratic National Convention protest activity]], might be the only thing between now and November that could merit posting. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 01:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== [Posted] Snooker World Championship ====
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 World Snooker Championship<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| article2      = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| image         = File:Mark Selby at Snooker German Masters (DerHexer) 2015-02-04 02.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image, if necessary. -->
| blurb         = [[Mark Selby]] ''(pictured)'' defeats [[Ding Junhui]] to win the '''[[2016 World Snooker Championship|World Snooker Championship]]'''.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing       = <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
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| sources       = [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/snooker/35268607 BBC Sport], [http://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2016/may/02/world-snooker-championship-final-selby-ding-live The Guardian], [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2016/05/02/what-time-is-the-2016-world-snooker-championship-final-today-whe/ The Telegraph]<!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated       = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
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| nominator     = Fuebaey <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater       = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
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| updater3      = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR          = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is verified as ongoing by reliable sources. -->
| note          = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt       = Final could do with a summary.<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign          = [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 21:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Support when updated''' It needs a summary, as you say, but is otherwise in decent shape. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:54, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''', obviously. Hundred of millions watched this in China alone. <small>Shouts of 'pro-British' bias coming from the Septics on here in 3, 2, 1...</small> [[Special:Contributions/213.105.166.119|213.105.166.119]] ([[User talk:213.105.166.119|talk]]) 22:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - anybody know where Mark Selby comes from?? [[Special:Contributions/86.181.130.187|86.181.130.187]] ([[User talk:86.181.130.187|talk]]) 22:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
::Rhetorical question I guess, but it's Leicester. Not relevant here. [[Special:Contributions/213.105.166.119|213.105.166.119]] ([[User talk:213.105.166.119|talk]]) 22:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:::And they all thought Leicester were "[[Exhumation and reburial of Richard III of England|dead and buried]]"? [[Special:Contributions/86.181.130.187|86.181.130.187]] ([[User talk:86.181.130.187|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' of course, as per [[WP:ITNR]] and all. This could be a very Leicestery In The News! [[User:Cream147|Cream147]] <sub>[[User Talk:Cream147|Shout at me]]</sub> 22:15, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support''' Anyone would think someone had found a King in Leicester!!! [[User:Torqueing|Torqueing]] ([[User talk:Torqueing|talk]]) 22:52, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 04:32, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - I know we wouldn't normally do this, but could there be a case for saying "Mark Selby of Leicester"? Then it sort of ties the reader's mind the premier league item above, that this is a doubly good day for the city. Just an idea anyway &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 10:16, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Posted] Leicester City Win the Premier League ====
{{archive top|status=posted to ITN|result=Very clear consensus for Alt2 here; as the blurb has already been posted there's no reason to continue commenting on this matter. For any other issues regarding this blurb, please make a report at [[WP:ERRORS]]. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; [[User:Coffee|<big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee</big>]] // [[user talk:Coffee|<span style="color:#009900;">have a cup</span>]] // [[Special:Contributions/Coffee|<span style="color:#4682b4;">beans</span>]] // </small> 22:29, 3 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2015–16 Premier League
| article2      = Leicester City
| blurb         = In what has been called the greatest sports story in history, [[Leicester City]] win their first ever top-flight championship in 132 years in the [[Premier League]]
| altblurb      = In [[association football]], [[Leicester City]] win the '''[[2015–16 Premier League|Premier League]]''' for the first time.
| altblurb2     = In [[association football]], 5000-to-1 outsiders [[Leicester City]] win the '''[[2015–16 Premier League|Premier League]]''' for the first time.
| altblurb3     = In what has been called the greatest sports story in history, [[2015–16 Leicester City F.C. season|Leicester City]] win their first ever top-flight championship in 132 years in the [[2015–16 Premier League|Premier League]] <!-- Same as blurb except with more relevant article links -->
| altblurb4     = In [[association football]], [[2015–16 Leicester City F.C. season|Leicester City]] win the '''[[2015–16 Premier League|Premier League]]''' for the first time. <!-- Same as altblurb except with more relevant article links -->
| altblurb5     = In [[association football]], 5000-to-1 outsiders [[2015–16 Leicester City F.C. season|Leicester City]] win the '''[[2015–16 Premier League|Premier League]]''' for the first time. <!-- Same as altblurb2 except with more relevant article links -->
| sources       = Leicester City winning sources: [http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35988673 BBC] [http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/02/leicester-city-win-the-premier-league-title-after-fairytale-season The Guardian]. Greatest sports story sources: [http://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/leicester-city-s-soccer-underdog-story-rivals-miracle-ice-n564766 NBC] [http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/29/sport/leicester-city-premier-league CNN] [http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/30/leicester-city-premier-league-champions-underdog-story The Guardian] [http://www.forbes.com/sites/briangoff/2016/04/26/leicester-city-on-verge-of-greatest-underdog-team-achievement-in-sports-history/#29bf3b431e4a Forbes]
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| ITNR          = yes
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*'''support''' - historic result.[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 20:59, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support, but''' remove the sentence before the "," . [[User:Sander.v.Ginkel|Sander.v.Ginkel]] <sup>([[User talk:Sander.v.Ginkel|Talk]])</sup> 21:03, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
**Why remove it? It has universally been called "remarkable" and "historic".
*'''Support Alt'''.  Greatest ever in this context is very subjective and not very encyclopedic, no need for that at ITN.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 21:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Also, oppose the inclusion of 5000/1 or other specific odds.  These values only really proves that the specific bookmaker(s) offering those odds wasn't very good at predicting the outcome.  Yes, that's an indicator of being "unexpected", but not one that I would highlight in ITN.  If one can figure out a pithy way of saying how bad their previous season was, I might support that.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 23:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - will never be repeated, maybe the 'In what has been called the greatest sports story in history' could be removed, but I'd keep the first-ever championship. [[User:Lemonade51|Lemonade51]] ([[User talk:Lemonade51|talk]]) 21:16, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*"In what has been called the greatest sports story in history" is one of the least encyclopedic clauses I've ever read. There's nothing in the article to suggest it's anything out of the ordinary. That uncorroborated phrase better not be included in a posted blurb. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
::You clearly haven't read any of the sources if you think this is nothing out of the ordinary. [[Special:Contributions/213.105.166.119|213.105.166.119]] ([[User talk:213.105.166.119|talk]]) 21:56, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
:::There's nothing in the ''Wikipedia article'' to suggest it's out of the ordinary. You clearly haven't read the target page. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 22:51, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' For the reasons already stated. However, I agree that the "In what has been called..." part is unnecessary. While there hasn't been anything to compare this to, I don't see why a simple "In association football, Leicester City win the Premier League" isn't sufficient enough. -- <span style="background:#000000">'''[[User:Anc516|<span style="color:#FFFF00">Anc516</span>]]'''</span> ([[User talk:Anc516|Talk]] ▪ [[Special:Contributions/Anc516|Contribs]]) 21:23, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support ALT''' - I'm not a footy fan, but this is a historic win. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 21:32, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I edit conflicted this nom. While I don't mind either way, chances are this won't get posted until some prose is added. Someone needs to add an update of the season so far or at least write something like what we [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2014%E2%80%9315_Premier_League&diff=661030873&oldid=661022133 posted last season]. [[Special:Contributions/Fuebaey|Fuebaey]] ([[User talk:Fuebaey|talk]]) 21:40, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - The odds before the season were '''5000/1.''' Ranieri just sacked from Greece? The pizza deal?? Jumpers for goalposts, ooh, you know, [[Big Ron Manager|isn't it]]?? [[Special:Contributions/86.181.130.187|86.181.130.187]] ([[User talk:86.181.130.187|talk]]) 21:44, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
**Absolutely ''none of what you just listed out'' is currently in the article. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' until the article is updated. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 21:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' obviously going to be posted, but it needs updating and the article is woefully short on prose. When posted I support using alt1. [[User:Aircorn|AIR<span style="color:green;">'''''corn'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Aircorn|(talk)]] 21:55, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*Added altblurb to emphasise how unlikely this win was. [[Special:Contributions/213.105.166.119|213.105.166.119]] ([[User talk:213.105.166.119|talk]]) 22:00, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
**Nowhere in the article does it say they were 5000-to-1 underdogs. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 22:52, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*Something needs to be said about how incredible the win was. The links given show how historic and unlikely it was and also put it in perspective for the American users [[User:Torqueing|Torqueing]] ([[User talk:Torqueing|talk]]) 22:48, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' this is just the regular end of the EPL right? They got the most points and won? If so, it's ITN/R and gets posted every year (even if it's just a qualifier for EN teams to get into some European contest that we also post). --[[Special:Contributions/166.173.250.245|166.173.250.245]] ([[User talk:166.173.250.245|talk]]) 23:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
**The Premiership is a simple league, and Leicester have won by getting both more points than anyone else and by being further ahead of the second place team than there are points available from remaining matches (They have 77 points, Tottenham in second place have 70 but they have only one match remaining and so cannot score more than 73 points). They have won the most prestigious* competition in English football (*although some people might say the FA Cup is equally so). There is no equivalent to the post-season seen in some(?) US sports, after next week's matches the season is over. By virtue of winning the premier league Leicester will qualify for some European competition (Champions League I think) next season, which they will play in parallel with the domestic season starting in August/September. Other English teams are also in this (qualifying rounds for) and other European competitions (e.g. by winning the FA cup), but again that's next season. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]])
***Sorry to imterrupt, Clive, simple game or not, but Spurs have got two games left and it might just be that they get to 76 points. [[User:Ericoides|Ericoides]] ([[User talk:Ericoides|talk]]) 07:44, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' alt2. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 00:55, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Alt 1''' the other two blurbs are sensationalist. [[User:Banedon|Banedon]] ([[User talk:Banedon|talk]]) 00:57, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' until someone who is knowledgable about and enjoys this sport adds some prose to the article.  Its pages of tables with no summary of the season.  Can we get at least a page of text on season highlights?  A paragraph about Leister's season and the importance of the win?  Some text would be nice for the main page. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 01:11, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support ALT1''' - normally posted as a recurrent event, but this season more than most. [[User:Conay|Conay]] ([[User talk:Conay|talk]]) 03:41, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' ALT2 – Definitely the greatest achievement in English football history. Article does need a little updating, but I think it should be in the news anyway. [[User:Davykamanzi|Davykamanzi]] → <small>[[User talk:Davykamanzi|<b style="color:#0AE;">talk</b>]] • [[Special:Contribs/Davykamanzi|<b style="color:#ED2;">contribs</b>]] • [[User:DavyK17|<b style="color:#264;">alter ego</b>]]</small> 06:41, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Hyperbole?  I don't know about you, but in my mind the "greatest achievement" would be a [[Premier League records and statistics|record]] like the best season ever, or the most consecutive wins, or the most championship titles.  Being the most improved team, or overcoming long odds, makes for a great story but that doesn't seem like much of an argument for being the single greatest accomplishment in football ever.   [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 07:55, 3 May 2016 (UTC) 
*::It doesn't really matter what you personally think.  The reliable sources are using phrases like "[http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35988673 one of the greatest sporting stories of all time]".  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 08:37, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::It's a great story.  Who doesn't like an underdog?  It might even be among the greatest sports stories (though that phrase clearly gets overused [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22greatest+sports+story+of+all+time%22+-leicester&safe=off&espv=2&biw=1440&bih=805&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A30%2F09%2F2015&tbm=#safe=off&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_max:30%2F09%2F2015&q=%22greatest+sports+story+of+all+time%22], and isn't a very encyclopedic thing to say in our own voice).  But we are grading on a curve.  If Chelsea or Manchester had a 22-11-3 season to clinch the title, we'd still post it, but we wouldn't be thinking it was greatest thing ever.  We could equally point to reliable sources noting that Leicester are among the least successful teams to ever reach the title [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/01/will-leicester-be-the-worst-premier-league-champions-ever/], with only a handful of teams managing to earn the title with so few wins.  Regardless, a winner is a winner, even if it wasn't the winningest of seasons, they deserve to be on ITN.  I like the Leicester City story, and I think it is a great story, but labeling it as the greatest ''achievement'' in football still strikes me as bald hyperbole.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 10:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*::::As I said, it doesn't really matter about your personal criteria, we'll stick to the reliable sources and what they say.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::::You often make that argument TRM, but as far as I am concerned, ITN is an area where considerable editorial discretion and judgment is important.  Obviously, we rely on the reliable sources, but our blurbs can only post a tiny fraction of what they say.  And only a tiny fraction of all news stories make it to ITN at all.  If we were just going on what reliable sources are saying, we would probably be leading with the Indiana primary right now.  Obviously, what goes in articles can elaborate multiple viewpoints, but this discussion page needs both sources and editorial judgment.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 10:34, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*:::::If my opinion is in the minority, that's fine.  I'm a big boy.  I can move on and it doesn't matter.  But saying my opinion (or other people's opinion) is irrelevant isn't really in line with how consensus is expected to work.  [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 10:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*::::::This is the top story on the global BBC website with the subheading of "one of the most unlikely achievements in sporting history".  That's reliable, that's just fine for us.  Anyway, it's posted now and this is serving no purpose at all.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 10:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support''' ALTs 1 or 2 (ALT2 might be more "sensationalist", but it's also more interesting to people to who only casually follow footie) - but I think '''Leicester City''' should be bolded. BTW in previous years we waited until the season ended, but this would be a mistake - a) this is in the news ''now'', and b) all the European leagues finish at pretty much the same time, so the box ended up totally stuffed with football. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 07:27, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The article [[Leicester City]] redirects to [[Leicester City F.C.]].  Also suggest that the blurb links to [[2015–16 Leicester City F.C. season]] in addition to (or instead of) [[Leicester City F.C.]] [[User:Gfcvoice|Gfcvoice]] ([[User talk:Gfcvoice|talk]]) 08:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' now that [[2015–16 Premier League]] has its text update. Used alt-blurb 2 (but would be happy to change to ALT1, since both seemed equally popular) - didn't link [[2015–16 Leicester City F.C. season]] since it's effectively just an almanac with no text. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 09:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
:* I'd suggest that Leicester City is linked to [[Leicester City F.C.#2015–16: Premier League Champions]]. Oh, and post-posting '''Support''', obviously.  One of the biggest sports stories in a long time; the coverage is literally worldwide.  [[User talk:LauraJamieson|Laura Jamieson (talk)]] 09:45, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*Post-posting '''Support''' for '''ALT2''', which is the current blurb. Good to reflect the outsider status. [[User:Starship.paint|'''starship''']][[Special:Contributions/Starship.paint|'''.paint ~''']] '''<span style="border:2px solid black">[[User talk:Starship.paint|<font style="color:white;background:black;">KO</font>]]</span>''' 10:05, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
*Honestly? We're going to editorialize - and face it, you are editorializing - with loose English and slang like "5000/1 outsiders"?  Yes, Leicester City's run is pretty damn special for those who are aware of the context, the current hook is pretty damned unprofessional.  [[User:Resolute|Reso]][[User Talk:Resolute|lute]] 22:08, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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==== RD: Solomon W. Golomb ====
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| article       = Solomon W. Golomb
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| sources       = [http://dailytrojan.com/2016/05/03/university-professor-solomon-golomb-dies-83/ Daily Trojan]
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| note          = Article needs more sourcing.
| nom cmt       = He invented [[Golomb coding]] and won several awards, including the [[IEEE Richard W. Hamming Medal]] and [[National Medal of Science]].
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*'''Oppose''' on article quality - almost completely unsourced section on academic achievements; claim at end of lede about inspiting Tetris is uncited etc etc. Also the article on Golomb coding has no citation to the claim that he invented it. And also don't see this RD in the mainstream media. [[User:MurielMary|MurielMary]] ([[User talk:MurielMary|talk]]) 09:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''.  Article quality issues are easily surmountable (the Tetris claim, for example, is in the ''Daily Trojan'' article linked above).  Golomb was a notable figure in the field of recreational mathematics; IEEE has already posted an obituary and we can expect further obituaries and eulogies in other media as the news propagates. —[[User:Psychonaut|Psychonaut]] ([[User talk:Psychonaut|talk]]) 12:56, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
*:The article is still showing a maintenance tag.  If the issues are easily surmountable, please surmount them and let me know so we can get this posted, otherwise it's going to drop off as stale.  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:33, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support on sourcing improvements''' per MurielMary and Psychonaut. Importance seems met otherwise. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-size:x-small;">ASEM</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:00, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

==== [Closed] Pakistan sweet poisoning====
{{archive top|status=stale report|result=Closing as this is no longer "news". <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; [[User:Coffee|<big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee</big>]] // [[user talk:Coffee|<span style="color:#009900;">have a cup</span>]] // [[Special:Contributions/Coffee|<span style="color:#4682b4;">beans</span>]] // </small> 22:31, 3 May 2016 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
| article       = 2016 Punjab sweet poisoning
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| blurb         = In Punjab, Pakistan, at least 33 people died after eating accidentally [[2016 Punjab sweet poisoning|poisoned sweets]]. 
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| sources       = [http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mass-food-poisoning-kills-33-including-5-children-in-pakistans-multan-1401483 NDTV] [http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/05/01/ten-minste-33-doden-in-pakistan-door-gif-in-snoep NRC]
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| nom cmt       = Rare that such an amount of people died from poisoning. Worldwide in the news.
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* '''Uh...''' is anyone planning to write an article about this topic? [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:36, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
::{{reply|Sca}}, I started the article. [[User:Sander.v.Ginkel|Sander.v.Ginkel]] <sup>([[User talk:Sander.v.Ginkel|Talk]])</sup> 15:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' this is mostly nearly stale.  The first reports, which included confirmation of at least 25 deaths, took place on [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36127892 25 April].  [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 16:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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