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Thank you for your contributions to Kol Nidre and other articles. Please be aware of the punctuation rules in WP:REFPUNC. I corrected a number of errors in Kol Nidre (with explanation in the edit summary), only to find you had soon put them back in. Punctuation should immediately precede <ref>s. Hertz1888 (talk) 02:10, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

I am very sorry to hear about your loss of text, but I don't see how it could have any connection with my simple edit. What I did (here) changed no wording and involved no Hebrew characters. I hope everything is back on track. Please rest assured your hard work and diligence are appreciated. Hertz1888 (talk) 07:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced edits to Natural-born-citizen clause of the U.S. Constitution

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Thank you for helping

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Nice work

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Talk:Barack Obama presidential eligibility litigation

I moved a couple misplaced comments of yours down to their correct chronological place on that talk page, giving them separate topic headings. I think this will increase the chance of anyone responding to your question at Talk:Barack Obama presidential eligibility litigation#Should I add Westlaw, LexisNexis, etc. citations? --83.255.58.232 (talk) 13:03, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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¶ Your message came only moments after I wrote that mistake and while I was still fussing with the same article, but I am grateful for your help - because otherwise I would have missed it. Sussmanbern (talk) 03:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

O.K. Corral gunfight split

I'd welcome your input on how to split the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral article. See the discussion here. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 23:24, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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Are you still in the Miami area? Do you do photo requests? WhisperToMe (talk) 04:30, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

No, we've never met. I think a talk page somewhere stated that you were an alumnus/alumna of a high school in Miami WhisperToMe (talk) 06:18, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Indenting

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You appear to have announced your ownership of the article List of Bible verses not included in modern translations when you told User:Alephb on their talk page "PLEASE DO NOT TAMPER WITH MY WRITING WHILE I AM WRITING IT!" [1] and posted on the article itself "WORK IN PROGRESS. PLEASE DO NOT ERASE OR OTHERWISE INTERFERE UNTIL FEB, 15th 2018".

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January 2018

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for a clear threat of violence at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_Bible_verses_not_included_in_modern_translations&diff=next&oldid=818791423. In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been revoked.

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Question:

As your unblock was handled off-Wiki, for the benefit of those of us who defended you at the AN/I thread, could you clarify what you meant when you brought up the Second Amendment? Joefromrandb (talk) 05:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

It was intended as humorous, the way Dave Barry makes references to gruesome things. I doubt that a ref to a portion of the US Constitution legally qualifies as a "clear threat of violence." Especially as regards people whose identities are concealed and who may be a thousand miles away (and especially with an elderly lawyer and librarian like me). However, the discussion of previous "editing wars" over that one article suggests to me that on some controversial or sensitive articles, some individuals are determined to goad potential contributors beyond endurance rather than allow enlargement of the article. In any case, that one article is Cursed, at least as far as I am concerned, and I will not be returning to it. Anyone masochistic enough to want to try working on that article may contact me for my suggestions - which clearly do not please everyone. Sussmanbern (talk) 06:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I see. You have to be incredibly careful, as meaning itself is difficult to convey over the Internet, and nuance is all but impossible. I hope you understand going forward that it is never, ever acceptable to make those kinds of jokes here. Joefromrandb (talk) 07:17, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I have received an email that someone - identified only by a number with repeated decimal points rather than any sort of name - had sent a message here (well, somewhere on this page) at 7:54 on Wednesday morning. I cannot find such a thing. If anyone can clarify, please do so. Sussmanbern (talk) 18:10, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Kemron

Hello Sussmanbern,

Our article Kemron now has four references. You may want to consider editing your user page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:11, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I took the liberty of editing it. While editors enjoy a limited amount of autonomy as far as pages within their own user-space go, it is not acceptable to continue to post information that is demonstrably false. Joefromrandb (talk) 07:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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August 2018

H'm. Again, as above: you are an experienced editor. Mandalay (poem). Citations needed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

September 2018

I'm sorry to have to repeat this, especially with an experienced Wikipedia editor, but you absolutely must not add uncited materials to articles: links to other Wikipedia articles, even if formatted with <ref> tags, are not citations, because Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source, and the injunction (where the citation ought to be on Mandalay (poem)) to look at other articles for whatever broken references, notes, Wikilinks, asides, and other matter may happen to have accumulated there over the years is no substitute for verifiable links to proper sources, in place, in the article itself. So, please, stop. Thank you. I'm very willing to discuss proposed changes with you, and even to help you find suitable sources to cite them with: just ask. Many thanks for your understanding. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:20, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

They (or you) keep stripping away my explanation of the line in the poem about the name of the Burma girl. She named for the latest (and last) queen of Burma. This is so simple (and, to anyone familiar with the history of Burma in the 18th century - now, for Americans, an obscure topic, obvious) that it should require no references at all. I could find plenty of books who would identify the queen of Burma, but erasing my explanation of her name over such a trifle is ....... Sussmanbern (talk) 14:13, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks for replying: jaw jaw is better than ... the alternatives, as Churchill said. As I said above, I'm very happy to collaborate.

Now, on the "such a trifle", with "should require no references at all", I really do beg to differ. Wikipedia is not a collection of words made up by editors: it is a collection of sources, with summaries of what those sources are: in other words, sources are absolutely central to Wikipedia. This message is repeated many times in Wikipedia policy: WP:V (verifiability) is a "pillar of Wikipedia"; so is WP:RS (reliable sources); so, put the other way, is WP:OR (original research), which is the lack of reliable, verifiable sources. This is, like it or not, what Wikipedia is about.

If you really don't like sources, one might wonder discreetly why you are here? Sources are the bread and butter, the meat and potatoes, of Wikipedia editing. Without them, the whole thing makes no sense at all; and I must express surprise that you have managed to continue for so many years without running into serious trouble if you don't believe in them, actually.

To business. I am perfectly willing to add a paragraph of (additional) background to the article, but only on condition that it is fully and reliably cited: this is something mandated by policy, and quite rightly too. In fact, given that you are reluctant to source the material, I think I will simply go ahead and create a suitably cited summary of the existing articles. We can and should link those articles: but wikilinks are no substitute for citations, not least because there is then no assurance at all that the material is reliable and verifiable. All the best, and I hope that this is clear, logical, and if not exactly welcome given the indications you have given about your view of the matter, at least understandable and visibly in line with policy. Many thanks for your understanding, Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I thank you profusely for going that extra mile and rewriting my entry with acceptable citations. I can tell you I spent the last hour accumulating my own source citations from books & articles available from the internet for the same purpose, but you seem to have found better quality sources than I did. I thank you again. I can appreciate your instructions, but I had been thinking along the lines of "Nobody can dispute that Thebow was the last king. Nobody can dispute that Supayalot was the last queen." Etc. Sussmanbern (talk) 16:40, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll leave you with one simple thought: "Nobody should" is not the same as "Nobody can". There are many facts attested by overwhelming evidence (evolution springs to mind), but ... Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:44, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

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