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== Censorship of recent material on al-Husseini ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2023 ==

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Please replace ''French-English imperial duopoly'' with ''Anglo-French imperial duopoly''; this is a more common phrase, and anyway the Mandate wasn't merely to England. [[Special:Contributions/123.51.107.94|123.51.107.94]] ([[User talk:123.51.107.94|talk]]) 00:02, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> None of the included citations contain either of the phrases mentioned in the change request. [[User:Xan747|Xan747]] ([[User talk:Xan747|talk]]) 00:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2023 ==

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Article: Amin al-Husseini
Heading: Ties with the Axis Powers during World War II
Subheading: Recruitment


First word of the 3rd sentence has a typo, should be changed from "Riven" to "Driven".
The following summary of a news story on al-Husseini added to the page is being censored via a series of reverts by [[User:Zero0000]] -- In 2017, several previously unknown photographs came to light, in which al-Husseini, can be clearly seen inspecting a Nazi concentration camp along with Nazi senior officials and government figures. The photographs also show the [[Trebbin]] camp near Berlin, which was, from 1942 to 1945, 'an SS artillery training place with a branch of the [[Sachsenhausen]] concentration camp in Oranienburg'. The photographs have forced scholars into a reappraisal of al-Husseini's obviously active role in the event.<ref>https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/amin-al-husseini-nazi-concentration-camp</ref> [[User:Ethnopunk|Ethnopunk]] ([[User talk:Ethnopunk|talk]]) 14:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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:It's not Zero alone. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Amin_al-Husseini/Archive_21#The_end_of_the_Header. You were asked to read this, where the consensus was for exclusion. Read it.] [[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 14:28, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
:Yes, that specific article has been discussed, and it contradicts much stronger sources so by consensus it was removed. That consensus still stands until a new one. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17">nableezy</span>]]''' - 14:38, 17 October 2022 (UTC)</small>
:''Tablet'' is a source of dubious reliability. In fact it is not known where the photo was taken, only where it was printed. We don't do conjectures. Your last sentence is ridiculous as al-Husseini's relationship with top Nazis was well studied already and one more photo of unknown provenance adds practically nothing. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 00:54, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
:Hi {{U|Ethnopunk}}, this issue has unfortunately been settled in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Amin_al-Husseini/Archive_21#The_end_of_the_Header this] earlier discussion. While I wish there were other sources to confirm what's happening in those photos, those published articles have not yet been written. The community agreed that the best course is to wait for more future reliable sources about this item. We need [[WP:RS|reliable source<b>s</b>]] to include this part of al-Husseini's life in the WP article. I would really welcome you to propose those sources here so we can include this information in the WP article. If those sources are found, I would support adding to the article. - '''[[User:Tucoxn|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#522C1B">t</span><span style="color:#522C1B">u</span><span style="color:#417DC1">coxn</span>]]'''\<sup>[[User_talk:Tucoxn|<span style="font-family:serif">talk</span>]]</sup> 13:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::As I think all would. The massive amount of manipulated or twisted use of the records regarding al-Husayni, seeping into even otherwise careful documentation, has required editors here to be particularly careful about sources, with good reason. Once the high bar is cleared, inclusion is automatic. Given the intensity of focus on this period of his life, if there is anything of substance to the inferences made about those photos, one can rest assured that the quality scholarship we privilege will not drag its legs in evaluating the material.[[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 14:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
::: I don't agree with "Once the high bar is cleared, inclusion is automatic". Additional considerations such as due weight are required. I'm sure you didn't intend to suggest otherwise. There is a huge amount of reliable material about al-Husseini and our job is to select a representative subset. In the case of these photos, suppose it is proved that al-Husseini visited the small work camp at Trebbin. What light would it shed on al-Husseini as an aspect of his highly-documented activities in Nazi Germany? Almost none, I propose. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 02:51, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
::[https://www.meforum.org/62195/photos-show-palestinian-at-concentration-camp Photographic Evidence Shows Palestinian Leader Amin al-Husseini at a Nazi Concentration Camp] and here is
::WOLFGANG G. SCHWANITZ [https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/amin-al-husseini-nazi-concentration-camp tablet mag article]. The proof is substantive evidence that he was very much in support of the endeavour, aside from the fact that he also attended the Wannsee Conference where the Final Solution was adopted. That he represented Palestinian Leadership at such a conference, where he was not merely an observer but a eager enthusiast and supporter of the euthanasia of Jews, speaks to his culpability. One should add that he was not merely a 'religious leader' but a politician, the man who later was instrumental in the formation of the [[All-Palestine Government in Gaza 1948-1959]]. [[User:Ethnopunk|Ethnopunk]] ([[User talk:Ethnopunk|talk]]) 10:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
:::[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Amin_al-Husseini/Archive_21#The_end_of_the_Header. Already discussed here.] [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 10:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
::: El Husseini's attendance at the Wannsee Conference has not been discussed before. Maybe that's because it is '''complete balderdash'''. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 10:40, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
::::See [https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/ What Hitler and the Grand Mufti Really Said] where the Mufti's participation is excused on the basis, the 'invitations to the [[Wannsee Conference]] had already gone out, when the decision to adopt the [[Final Solution]] was taken. The article thus moves the decision to a mere formality, where al-Husseini's participation was largely symbolic. No canvassing to get rid of Zionist Jews like Martin Buber, who had moved to Palestine in 1938. Buber had proposed the creation of a 'binational state'. Instead al-Husseini acted to prevent his from happening and was an eager supporter of the Third Reich's euthanasia programme. [[User:Ethnopunk|Ethnopunk]] ([[User talk:Ethnopunk|talk]]) 11:19, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
::::'Almost all copies of the minutes of the Vannsee Conference ([https://enrs.eu/article/the-wannsee-conference the Wannsee Protocol]) were destroyed by those in their possession. Consequently, our knowledge about the meeting would have been much poorer, had Robert Kempner not come across the only surviving copy in 1947.' [[User:Ethnopunk|Ethnopunk]] ([[User talk:Ethnopunk|talk]]) 11:33, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::Apparently there are [https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/ transcripts of the 1941 meeting between Hitler and the Mufti]. He was invited to the later 1942 Wannsee Conference. However the decision to exterminate all the Jews had already been taken. The conference was a mere formality. [[User:Ethnopunk|Ethnopunk]] ([[User talk:Ethnopunk|talk]]) 11:42, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
:::I have read the so-called '[[Talk:Amin al-Husseini/Archive 21#The end of the Header.|consensus for exclusion]]' and can find no evidence that there was any consensus on the matter. On the contrary, the page appears to repeat my own observations regarding the evidence material and is merely an archive of previous discussion. The comments above also seem to neglect that the photographs have been attributed to Trebbin Concentration Camp. [[User:Ethnopunk|Ethnopunk]] ([[User talk:Ethnopunk|talk]]) 11:02, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
::::As of right now there is a consensus of editors ( I count at least 5 ) against inclusion. If you want to continue with this, suggest an edit together with sources that you wish to include and we will go through the whole thing again to see if that consensus has changed. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 11:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::Will do so once I have collated what I know about this man and thus what should be included. For example, that [https://www.algemeiner.com/2021/08/09/when-hitlers-mufti-gave-a-press-conference/ he seems to have held a press conference in 1960,] denying that he knew Eichmann, despite evidence to the contrary. [[User:Ethnopunk|Ethnopunk]] ([[User talk:Ethnopunk|talk]]) 11:55, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::See this [https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1001682 video from the Eichmann Trial] "Footage cuts to Session 63 at 00:18:12. Submission of documents (camera focuses on one document) from the diary of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, who virulently opposed Jewish settlement in Palestine and became an ally of the Nazis) concerning the "Jews of Italy, France, and Hungary." Hausner submits two photographs, which show Himmler and the Grand Mufti, into evidence. Black screen with the words "Eichmann Trial" interrupts the video at certain points and the testimony of Leslie Gordon is inserted briefly. Some of the footage about the Grand Mufti is repeated. Hausner reads from a cable sent from Himmler to the Mufti. Video freezes from 00:25:54 to 00:26:04." [[User:Ethnopunk|Ethnopunk]] ([[User talk:Ethnopunk|talk]]) 12:17, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::::Just to repeat, we need to see a suggested edit, together with sources and then we will look at it again. [[User:Selfstudier|Selfstudier]] ([[User talk:Selfstudier|talk]]) 12:24, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::::El-Husseini's meeting with Hitler is well covered in our article already, with a photo. His collaboration with the Nazis has a large section. El-Husseini's attendance at the Wannsee conference is not included because it never happened. You need to do better than come up with sources that don't support your assertions. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 13:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::::People who keep rehashing these obsessive memes should read attentively Sells' [https://www.jstor.org/stable/24586167 2015 study] before venturing to propose inclusions like this (esp. the pressure to include the Husayni stuff in Eichman's trial (pp237ff)). One could write a substantial book listing and analyzing the huge number of assertions about Husayni's putative key role in the Holocaust which are no longer treated seriously, for sheer lack of verifiability, or because they are known, their origins having been tracked down, to have been fabricated as opportune agitprop in campaigns to 'Nazify' Palestine national aspirations. [[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 16:02, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::::There a number of problems with the ahistorical attempt to downplay al-Husseini's obvious role in events surrounding the Final Solution. Firstly there is the [https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-official-record-what-the-mufti-said-to-hitler/ well-documented meeting with Adolf Hitler in 28 November 1941], two months before the Wannsee Conference 20 January 1942 where the policy of extermination was formerly adopted, for which we have photographs, transcripts and even film footage. You are partly correct in that the conference [https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/wannsee-conference-attendees attendees were mainly SS members] including Heydrich and Eichmann, and that Hitler did not attend. While it appears Eichmann was the person who ordered Heydrich to carry out what became known as the [[Wannsee Protocol]], it would be erroneous to suggest as you seem to do, that Hitler played no part in the events which resulted in the involuntary euthanasia of some 6 million out of a total population of 11 million Jews, according to German records. Both Hitler and al-Husseini played supervisory roles, which may be seen in the manner in which al-Husseini is later seen touring the concentration camps, particular documented by [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-06-15/ty-article-magazine/revealed-photos-of-palestinian-mufti-visiting-nazi-germany/0000017f-ef6e-d0f7-a9ff-efefa25a0000 photographs of his entourage at Trebbin]. If all that we had were these photographs, one might be faced with the problem not being able to explain his contribution other than that he appears as some kind of poster-boy for Palestinian involvement in these tragic events? However, this is not the case. In addition to the transcripts of al-Husseini's meeting with Hitler, [https://www.brunel.ac.uk/research/projects/unmasking-hajj-amin-al-husseini-through-his-wartime-letters-and-diaries we also have al-Husseini's own diary entries] and in particular communication with Heinrich Himmler. I have sourced a previously unknown (at least unknown to me) [https://www.brunel.ac.uk/research/Projects/images/HusseiniCapture.x5817ad4c.JPG?q=70&f=webp&Width=850 signed photograph of al-Husseini and Himmler], which came to light after reviewing the footage of the [https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1001682 Eichmann Trial at which the image and al-Husseini's diaries were submitted in support of the case against Eichmann]. So what we have here is pretty substantive. At very least it represents a ''prima facie'' case that al-Husseini urged Hitler to deal with the problem of Zionist immigration to Palestine in an overly aggressive manner, to which Hitler responded with a policy of extermination of all Jews, regardless of their wishes to return to the Holy Land or not. The article on al-Husseini should at very least note the above controversy, if not the historical events in which he appears as an enthusiastic supporter, reviewing concentration camps as well as a special Waffen SS divisions set up as an 'extermination guard' comprising Ottoman and thus Palestinian soldiers. [[User:Ethnopunk|Ethnopunk]] ([[User talk:Ethnopunk|talk]]) 07:09, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


"Riven by interethnic conflict, the region's Jewish, Croat, Roma, Serb and Muslim communities suffered huge losses of life," [[User:Mxp071|Mxp071]] ([[User talk:Mxp071|talk]]) 14:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
== Judeophobic memoirs? ==
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:Fyi 'riven' is a word. It means to violently pull something apart. [[Special:Contributions/47.232.228.16|47.232.228.16]] ([[User talk:47.232.228.16|talk]]) 23:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


== Edit request January 29, 2024 ==
In [[Amin al-Husseini#Aftermath]] it says:


In the ''Amin al-Husseini and antisemitism'' section, there is a sentence that is very difficult to parse:
" Al-Husseini in his Judeophobic memoirs (''Mudhakkirat'') never claimed to have played such a role."


: Walter Laqueur, Benny Morris, Klaus-Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers, the evidential basis for whose claims in their book, translated as "Nazi Palestine" were questioned by Michael Sells as based on selective statements by a few writers taken at face value, share the view that al-Husseini was biased against Jews, not just against Zionists.
I think there are some problems with that line


Most pressingly, the sentence is a long appositive, and leads a reader to become confused about what is being said.
# Calling his memoirs Judeophobic violates the neutrality of the article. That word should be removed.
# 'Judeophobic' is a much less common term than 'Anti-Semitic'. 'Judeophobic' should be either be replaced with the word 'Anti-Semitic' or at least links to the Wikipedia article for Anti-semitism
# His memoirs isn't called ''Mudhakkirat.'' That's just Arabic for 'memoirs'. The name of the memoirs is "مذكرات مُحمّد أمين الحس", or just ''Memoirs of Muhammad Amin al-Husayni''. His memoirs is a good resource and should be cited more often.


But, the appositive is also suggests certain inaccurate interpretations. Sells does not mention Laqueur or Morris in his article. His article also does not deny claims about al-Husseini's antisemitism--the article mostly serves to deny claims that al-Husseini played an outsized role in influencing Nazi policy.
[[User:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)]] ([[User talk:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|talk]]) 19:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
: The source uses "judeophobia" and gives an argument why it is more appropriate in this context than "antisemitism". We don't have to agree, but we are supposed to follow our sources. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 01:28, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
::You mean Michael Sells's "Holocaust Abuse: The Case of Hajj Muhammad Amin al-Husayni"? I have that work downloaded on my computer. Where does he say either al-Husayni or his memoirs are Judeophobic? CTRL+F shows only 5 mentions of that word, none of which call al-Husayni or his memoirs Judeophobic.
::And even if the source did, the Wiki article should at least indicate that Sells is the one saying that. Not to mention my other points. [[User:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)]] ([[User talk:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|talk]]) 02:29, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
:::A little pointer on researching. In ancient times, before the invention of search machines, one couldn't explore texts by using CTRL-F. The lesson handed down from Sumer onwards and valid for 5,000 years until the internet developed, was that if you wanted to discuss a source, you '''read''' it. Apparently, this has been dispensed with. You downloaded the text and, using your search techniques, queried the presence in Sells' paper of the remark:
:::<blockquote>The judeophobia of the ''Memoirs'' is robust</blockquote>
:::Now here's the recondite trick. If you employ pre-digital methods to verify the phrase, you will find within two minutes that this remark is on page 2 of Sells' article. I.e. p.725, second last line from the bottom (maintext). To vary the Lennon song,'''All you need is to read''' what you cite. I know that's time-consuming, but alas, wikipedia still is written that way, by actually parsing sources.[[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 09:35, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
:::: It's a good idea to search for a stem, like "Judeoph" then ctrl-F finds it immediately. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 12:21, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I searched 'judeophobic' not 'judeophobia'. And I'm not reading a 38 page JSTOR article to verify whether or not an author used a particle word for an 11 word sentence in a Wikipedia article, when CTRL+F exists.
::::Anyway, the sentence should still indicate that it's Sell's opinion. Just putting that word in without mentioning that it's Sell's opinion. The source should at least be right after the word 'Judeophobic'. Not to mention my other points. I think it should be edited to:
::::''Al-Husseini in his memoirs never claimed to have played such a role.''
::::Calling his memoirs 'Judeophobic' is just unnecessary for that particular sentence about the 1929 riots. There's an entire section called 'Amin al-Husseini and antisemitism'. Sells is already mentioned in that section; his characterization of Al-Husseini can easily be placed there. [[User:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)]] ([[User talk:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|talk]]) 16:00, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::Writing this article required some months of reading well over two thousand pages. If you find even 38 pages (i.e., a half an hour of close concentration on reading) a waste of your time, tiresome or boring then you shouldn't edit articles of this historical complexity or comment on trained scholars whose lives are spent in intense textual study and analysis. You are opinionizing against a scholar who knows more about this than we peons, and this just abuses [[WP:Forum]]. Drop it. [[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 22:14, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::I'm not arguing his memoirs aren't Judeophobic. I'm saying the use of that word in that sentence is unnessary. Not only is it unclear whether this is the article's viewpoint or Sell's, it doesn't fit the topic of the sentence, which is that Hajj Muhammad Amin al-Husayni denied inciting the 1929 riots. As I already said, there is an entire section literally called <nowiki>''</nowiki>Amin al-Husseini and antisemitism'. Sell's characterization of al-Husayni would fit better there, and should honestly be discussed more in the article. [[User:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)]] ([[User talk:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|talk]]) 00:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::: The decision of whether to attribute opinions has many borderline cases and we can't expect to always agree on it. Attributing every opinion in the text (as opposed to citing) would make an article look silly. On the other hand, opinions which are disputed should usually be attributed. In this case we don't have any dissent on the opinion and examples of agreement are easy to find, so my feeling is that the citation which tells the reader where it comes from is sufficient. However I don't feel strongly about it and wouldn't lose any sleep if the word disappeared either. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 00:53, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
::::::::If the word is going to remain there, there still should some changes to the sentence.
::::::::The citation should come after the word 'Judeophobic', '[[Antisemitism|Judeophobic]]' should link to [[Antisemitism]] (it's already a redirect), and his memoirs isn't called ''Mudhakkirat -'' that's just the Arabic word for memoirs.
::::::::Something like this:
::::::::Al-Husseini in his [[Judeophobic]]<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Sells |first=Michael A. |date=2015-10-21 |title=Holocaust Abuse |url=http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/jore.12119 |journal=Journal of Religious Ethics |volume=43 |issue=4 |pages=723–759 |doi=10.1111/jore.12119 |issn=0384-9694}}</ref> memoirs (''Memoirs of Muhammad Amin al-Husayni'') never claimed to have played such a role.<ref>{{Cite book |last=Laurens |first=Henry |url=https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/43036563 |title=La question de Palestine. Tome premier, 1799-1922,l'invention de la terre sainte |date=1999 |publisher=Fayard |isbn=2-213-60349-9 |location=Paris |oclc=43036563}}</ref> [[User:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)]] ([[User talk:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|talk]]) 02:20, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::*(Taking a deep breath)You contest describing his ''Memoirs'' as '''his''' memoirs because the Arabic title reads ''Memoirs of Muhammad Amin al-Husayni'', and we should use the complete wording. This is jejune for the simple reason that it ignores the function of the possessive pronoun, which is genitive. Editors on the English wiki should not be asked to explain simple grammar, but since I've been rebrowsing Chateaubriand recently, he'll do. The full text of his autobiography is ''Memoirs from beyond the grave''. But since that is a long title, in narrative they are [https://books.google.com/books?id=g48GAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA33''Chateaubriand's memoirs'']
:::::::::*This abbreviation is in historical descriptions, and Sells, in referring to the ''Mudhakkirat'' as 'his (Amin's) memoirs', follows standard practice. The context is clear. You wish as an anonymous editor to challenge the eminently standard grammatical shortform in pronoun usage by someone who has a chair in Islamic studies at Chicago University?
:::::::::*The word 'Judeophobic' is self-explanatory, self-evident to any English speaker. If anything, it is even stronger, in its accentuation of a pathological phobia, than its synonym, antisemitism.[[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 10:06, 2 December 2022 (UTC)


My proposed edit is to remove the Sells discussion from the first paragraph and add after the following paragraph:
For what it's worth (not much), the title on two printed editions of his memoirs is "مذكرات الحاج محمد أمين الحسيني" (Memoirs of Hajj Amin el-Husseini) and that is how Sells cites it. Personally I don't think that the parenthetical ''Mudhakkirat'' adds or subtracts anything. An option is an actual citation to the memoirs, but in that case we'd better be clear that "judeophobic" is not our assessment. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 11:44, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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: Historians such as Walter Laqueur, Benny Morris, Klaus-Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers share the view that al-Husseini was biased against Jews, not just against Zionists.
== In Sources, Henry Laurens has the wrong link ==
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: [...] Husseini also states in his memoirs, that he had visited Alfred Rosenberg's Institute for Study of Judaism which had failed to find any way to civilise the Jewish people.


: As early as the mid-1940s, accounts circulated which claimed that al-Husseini influenced Nazi antisemitic policy, an article published in ''[[The Nation]]'' by [[Eliahu Elath]]. [[Michael Sells]] questions these claims as ahistorical and says that there is little evidence to support the claim that his actions led to significant geopolitical consequences. {Sells citation here}
It links to this [[Henry Laurens]] (the American Founding Father) , when it should link to this [[Henry Laurens (scholar)|Henry Laurens]] (the French Historian) [[User:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)]] ([[User talk:Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D)|talk]]) 02:26, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
:Fixed, thanks. [[User:Zero0000|Zero]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Zero0000|talk]]</small></sup> 05:55, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
[[User:Toomuchcuriosity|<sub>too_much </sub>curiosity]] ([[User talk:Toomuchcuriosity|talk]]) 16:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 16:08, 17 July 2024

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2023

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Please replace French-English imperial duopoly with Anglo-French imperial duopoly; this is a more common phrase, and anyway the Mandate wasn't merely to England. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 00:02, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. None of the included citations contain either of the phrases mentioned in the change request. Xan747 (talk) 00:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2023

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Article: Amin al-Husseini Heading: Ties with the Axis Powers during World War II Subheading: Recruitment

First word of the 3rd sentence has a typo, should be changed from "Riven" to "Driven".

"Riven by interethnic conflict, the region's Jewish, Croat, Roma, Serb and Muslim communities suffered huge losses of life," Mxp071 (talk) 14:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 17:18, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fyi 'riven' is a word. It means to violently pull something apart. 47.232.228.16 (talk) 23:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request January 29, 2024

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In the Amin al-Husseini and antisemitism section, there is a sentence that is very difficult to parse:

Walter Laqueur, Benny Morris, Klaus-Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers, the evidential basis for whose claims in their book, translated as "Nazi Palestine" were questioned by Michael Sells as based on selective statements by a few writers taken at face value, share the view that al-Husseini was biased against Jews, not just against Zionists.

Most pressingly, the sentence is a long appositive, and leads a reader to become confused about what is being said.

But, the appositive is also suggests certain inaccurate interpretations. Sells does not mention Laqueur or Morris in his article. His article also does not deny claims about al-Husseini's antisemitism--the article mostly serves to deny claims that al-Husseini played an outsized role in influencing Nazi policy.

My proposed edit is to remove the Sells discussion from the first paragraph and add after the following paragraph:

Historians such as Walter Laqueur, Benny Morris, Klaus-Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers share the view that al-Husseini was biased against Jews, not just against Zionists.

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[...] Husseini also states in his memoirs, that he had visited Alfred Rosenberg's Institute for Study of Judaism which had failed to find any way to civilise the Jewish people.
As early as the mid-1940s, accounts circulated which claimed that al-Husseini influenced Nazi antisemitic policy, an article published in The Nation by Eliahu Elath. Michael Sells questions these claims as ahistorical and says that there is little evidence to support the claim that his actions led to significant geopolitical consequences. {Sells citation here}

too_much curiosity (talk) 16:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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