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== RfC about {{tl|POV lead}} == |
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Should the article include the {{tl|POV lead}} maintenance tag until the [[Talk:Taylor Swift#I think intro is promo/written from fan point of view|discussion about the lead section]] reaches a consensus? [[User:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#CD8C95">'''K'''yle'''J'''oan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#8B6969">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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=== Discussion (RfC about {{tl|POV lead}}) === |
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*'''No'''. It should not have a tag unless the discussion comes to a consensus that there is a serious POV problem in the lead. Until then, it should not be tagged. This is a [[WP:FA]], which means that numerous experienced editors agreed that it should be promoted to FA, including its Lead section. If there are specific issues with the lead, like any [[WP:PEACOCK]], or if you think that some awards are more [[WP:NOTEWORTHY]] than others, that should be easy to fix without a tag. Discussion and consensus of specific issues is the way forward. I would start a heading for each specific objection to the Lead and get a consensus on that discrete issue, fix it, and move on to the next one. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 07:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::Do you believe the current lead section looks comparable to how it did [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taylor_Swift&oldid=746733850 seven years ago during the article's FA promotion]? [[User:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#CD8C95">'''K'''yle'''J'''oan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#8B6969">talk</span>]]</sup> 07:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:::That's a pointless question. Use the Talk page now to fix specific problems you see, not to reconstruct the past. If you think that a particular sentence or phrase was better in the FA-promoted version, feel free to suggest that phrasing. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 20:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''No''' per Ssilvers. Having such a tag while claiming that this article is one of the best Wikipedia has to offer is contradictory and very damaging to Wikipedia's reputation. Let's focus on addressing said issues than preoccupying with a tag. And the lead has improved since [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taylor_Swift&diff=prev&oldid=1232605433 Nosferattus's bold edit]. I have made further changes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taylor_Swift&diff=1232724683&oldid=1232619708 here] that address issues raised in the afforementioned section. If there's any disagreement over them, we can obviously discuss it further. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 08:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' — what POV tag? It's already been removed twice by HJ Mitchell who said [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taylor_Swift&diff=1232380300&oldid=1232369327 don't do tgat to featured articles] (sic). And unfortunately, he is right, featured articles tend to have a walled garden around them, and editors are certainly not going to allow any sort of maint tag on a FA, regardless of whether the tag is legit or not. You might as well close this RfC. Furthermore, I disagree that a maint tag placed on a FA is {{tq|very damaging to Wikipedia's reputation}}. That's hyperbole.[[User:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:blue"> ''Isaidnoway'' </b>]][[User talk:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:#03B54F">''(talk)''</b>]] 09:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''No'''. Using the logic that the lead is "written from a fan's perspective" or whatever, just about any band's article could be tagged for POV. Check out the lead for [[the Beatles]], another Featured Article, for example. I'm not saying there can't be improvements, but tagging at this point seems unnecessary and [[WP:POINTY]]. ~~ [[User:Jessintime|Jessintime]] ([[User talk:Jessintime|talk]]) 17:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''No'''. It's a dispute over a single sentence, and one that (regardless of how one feels about it) does not seem to be fundamental to our coverage of the topic one way or another. Tagging the entire article over it is wildly disproportionate. --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] ([[User talk:Aquillion|talk]]) 19:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''No''', articles should only be tagged with {{tl|POV lead}} when there is consensus to do so. Time should be spent in the discussion coming to consensus and not adding needless tags. ''[[User:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#ff0000;">Tar</b><b style="color:#ff7070;">nis</b><b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b>]]''<sup>[[User talk:TarnishedPath|<b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b>]]</sup> 23:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''No''', as per the above cited reasons. [[User:Ronherry|'''<span style="font-family:Cursive; color:#47452e; padding: 2px" lang="en">ℛonherry</span>''']][[User talk:Ronherry|'''<span style="color:#c7c39d">☘</span>''']] 20:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Forthcoming FAR == |
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[[User:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#CD8C95">'''K'''yle'''J'''oan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#8B6969">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{re|KyleJoan}} have any of these been addressed? If not, it might be time to go to FAR. <span style="color:green">'''Ten Pound Hammer'''</span> • <sup>([[User talk:TenPoundHammer|What did I screw up now?]])</sup> 17:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{reply|TenPoundHammer}} I believe some claims have been reconstructed or removed, but these were only examples. I'm sure there are more. I'm now unsure about the FAR. There doesn't appear to be enough interest from this article's watchers to discuss its quality. The gold star is there. That seems to matter more. Not to mention that the article's nominator is an FA coordinator. Seems like a losing battle. [[User:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#CD8C95">'''K'''yle'''J'''oan</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:KyleJoan|<span style="font-family:Consolas; color:#8B6969">talk</span>]]</sup> 04:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC) |
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In the 2023 - 2024 section, it says that The Tortured Poets Department stayed atop the Billboard 200 for 13 weeks; we should change that to 14 nonconsecutive weeks as it has been updated by Billboard. [[User:Bellsisatollin|Bellsisatollin]] ([[User talk:Bellsisatollin|talk]]) 14:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Taylor Swift's family == |
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I don't think this article does enough justice to Taylor Swift's family. As I know Taylor's mother being diagnosed with cancer had a profound impact on her life and career and there is nothing about it. [[User:JustElf13|JustElf13]] ([[User talk:JustElf13|talk]]) 04:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2024 == |
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:: {{done}} The vandalism was reverted. [[User:Gawaon|Gawaon]] ([[User talk:Gawaon|talk]]) 20:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC) |
:: {{done}} The vandalism was reverted. [[User:Gawaon|Gawaon]] ([[User talk:Gawaon|talk]]) 20:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== "Occupations" list == |
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"producer" seems a bit vague. Shouldn't it be specifically "record producer", since she's known for producing music than television and/or film? [[User:Kamo0606|Kamo0606]] ([[User talk:Kamo0606|talk]]) 22:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::: {{done}} I think this is fair. All the categories she's listed under at the bottom of the page mention 'record producer' specifically. |
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:[[User:Aurangzebra|Aurangzebra]] ([[User talk:Aurangzebra|talk]]) 17:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Forthcoming TFA == |
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Hello. Already five years since Swift's first TFA appearance. What do you think about the article getting a second TFA appearance this coming Dec. 13, 2024, her 35th birthday? '''[[User:ScarletViolet|<span style="color:#e82102;">Scarlet</span><span style="color:#6500a8;">Violet</span>]]''' <small><small>'''[[User talk:ScarletViolet|<span style="padding:0 2px;background-color:#e82102;color:white;">t</span>]][[Special:Contributions/ScarletViolet|<span style="padding:0 2px;background-color:#6500a8;color:white;">c</span>]]'''</small></small> 13:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:Not a good idea for now. The article's quality is currently being discussed (see above sections), and an [[WP:FAR|FAR]] might be underway. I've been working, albeit rather slowly, my way through the article, looking for problematic and unsupported claims. If there's a consensus among editors that its quality meets the FA standards, then it can surely be considered for TFA but I don't see that happening right now. [[User:FrB.TG|FrB.TG]] ([[User talk:FrB.TG|talk]]) 18:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{Ping|FrB.TG}} This is noted. Will just remove the nom from the [[WP:TFAP|TFAP]] page. '''[[User:ScarletViolet|<span style="color:#e82102;">Scarlet</span><span style="color:#6500a8;">Violet</span>]]''' <small><small>'''[[User talk:ScarletViolet|<span style="padding:0 2px;background-color:#e82102;color:white;">t</span>]][[Special:Contributions/ScarletViolet|<span style="padding:0 2px;background-color:#6500a8;color:white;">c</span>]]'''</small></small> 06:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Change “history greatest” to “history’s greatest” [[Special:Contributions/107.198.31.212|107.198.31.212]] ([[User talk:107.198.31.212|talk]]) 19:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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{{done}} Not by me, but I don't see an error. [[User:Thwaluigi|Thwaluigi]] ([[User talk:Thwaluigi|talk]]) 20:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2024 == |
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{{edit semi-protected|Taylor Swift|answered=yes}} |
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To add her best friend [[Special:Contributions/35.148.22.168|35.148.22.168]] ([[User talk:35.148.22.168|talk]]) 12:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 13:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2024 == |
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{{Edit semi-protected|Taylor Swift|answered=yes}} |
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The awards & accolades section should be updated to reflect her recent Video of the Year award for Fornight and a more specific ACM accolade to mirror the other categories |
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The second sentence reads: |
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She has won 14 Grammy Awards (including four for Album of the Year—the most won by an artist),[382] an Emmy Award,[383] 40 American Music Awards (the most won by an artist),[384] 39 Billboard Music Awards (the most won by an artist—tying with Drake),[385] 118 Guinness World Records,[386] 23 MTV Video Music Awards (including four Video of the Year wins—the most by an act),[209] 12 Country Music Association Awards (including the Pinnacle Award),[387] eight Academy of Country Music Awards,[388] and two Brit Awards. |
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It should read: |
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She has won 14 Grammy Awards (including four for Album of the Year—the most won by an artist),[382] an Emmy Award,[383] 40 American Music Awards (the most won by an artist),[384] 39 Billboard Music Awards (the most won by an artist—tying with Drake),[385] 118 Guinness World Records,[386] 23 MTV Video Music Awards (including five Video of the Year wins—the most by an act),[209] 12 Country Music Association Awards (including the Pinnacle Award),[387] eight Academy of Country Music Awards (including a two Entertainer of the Year wins),[388] and two Brit Awards. |
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Source for VMA Awards: |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_Video_Music_Award_for_Video_of_the_Year#cite_note-59 |
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Source for ACM Awards: |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Country_Music_Awards |
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Also, the Guinness World Records number is likely outdated because it references a table that hasn't been updated since 2023. [[User:Jordanstev|Jordanstev]] ([[User talk:Jordanstev|talk]]) 14:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Forthcoming FAR
I intend to nominate this article for FAR soon for neutrality and stability issues. No consensus was reached in any of the discussions about the lead's neutrality–users almost unanimously agreed that the page should not include a {{POV lead}} maintenance template but did not conclude that the page does not suffer from the issue the tag raises. An egregious WP:BLP violation remained in the body for over a year.[1][2]. The article has more than doubled in size.[3][4] Its two primary authors only began editing it after the FA promotion.[5] Two distinct edit wars just this year. The (understandable) difficulty in maintaining FA quality due to Swift's stardom (and sources' continual, voluminous coverage) alone is enough to warrant a review. KyleJoantalk 03:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Examples of other BLP vios
- "Reviews of Swift's later albums were more appreciative of her vocals" is improperly synthesized from three individual reviews and five critics from one publication
- "Critics have highlighted Swift's versatility as an entertainer" is improperly synthesized because neither of the two sources cited (one being an individual review) wholly supports this
- "Critics regard Swift as a rare yet successful combination" is improperly sourced with one transcript documenting a host and a critic suggesting this
- "According to publications, Swift changed the music landscape ... and her ability to popularize" is improperly synthesized, as each part of this claim is supported by one source
- "Journalists [note] how her actions ... reshaped ticketing models" is improperly sourced with only one source suggesting this
KyleJoantalk 04:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @KyleJoan: have any of these been addressed? If not, it might be time to go to FAR. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:25, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- @TenPoundHammer: I believe some claims have been reconstructed or removed, but these were only examples. I'm sure there are more. I'm now unsure about the FAR. There doesn't appear to be enough interest from this article's watchers to discuss its quality. The gold star is there. That seems to matter more. Not to mention that the article's nominator is an FA coordinator. Seems like a losing battle. KyleJoantalk 04:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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change "was" to is" in the first sentence, she's still alive :sob: 2600:1702:5082:C60F:DC63:96E:18E6:1570 (talk) 20:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done The vandalism was reverted. Gawaon (talk) 20:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
"Occupations" list
"producer" seems a bit vague. Shouldn't it be specifically "record producer", since she's known for producing music than television and/or film? Kamo0606 (talk) 22:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done I think this is fair. All the categories she's listed under at the bottom of the page mention 'record producer' specifically.
- Aurangzebra (talk) 17:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Forthcoming TFA
Hello. Already five years since Swift's first TFA appearance. What do you think about the article getting a second TFA appearance this coming Dec. 13, 2024, her 35th birthday? ScarletViolet tc 13:13, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not a good idea for now. The article's quality is currently being discussed (see above sections), and an FAR might be underway. I've been working, albeit rather slowly, my way through the article, looking for problematic and unsupported claims. If there's a consensus among editors that its quality meets the FA standards, then it can surely be considered for TFA but I don't see that happening right now. FrB.TG (talk) 18:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
- @FrB.TG: This is noted. Will just remove the nom from the TFAP page. ScarletViolet tc 06:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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Change “history greatest” to “history’s greatest” 107.198.31.212 (talk) 19:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Done Not by me, but I don't see an error. Thwaluigi (talk) 20:41, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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To add her best friend 35.148.22.168 (talk) 12:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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The awards & accolades section should be updated to reflect her recent Video of the Year award for Fornight and a more specific ACM accolade to mirror the other categories
The second sentence reads: She has won 14 Grammy Awards (including four for Album of the Year—the most won by an artist),[382] an Emmy Award,[383] 40 American Music Awards (the most won by an artist),[384] 39 Billboard Music Awards (the most won by an artist—tying with Drake),[385] 118 Guinness World Records,[386] 23 MTV Video Music Awards (including four Video of the Year wins—the most by an act),[209] 12 Country Music Association Awards (including the Pinnacle Award),[387] eight Academy of Country Music Awards,[388] and two Brit Awards.
It should read: She has won 14 Grammy Awards (including four for Album of the Year—the most won by an artist),[382] an Emmy Award,[383] 40 American Music Awards (the most won by an artist),[384] 39 Billboard Music Awards (the most won by an artist—tying with Drake),[385] 118 Guinness World Records,[386] 23 MTV Video Music Awards (including five Video of the Year wins—the most by an act),[209] 12 Country Music Association Awards (including the Pinnacle Award),[387] eight Academy of Country Music Awards (including a two Entertainer of the Year wins),[388] and two Brit Awards.
Source for VMA Awards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_Video_Music_Award_for_Video_of_the_Year#cite_note-59
Source for ACM Awards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_of_Country_Music_Awards
Also, the Guinness World Records number is likely outdated because it references a table that hasn't been updated since 2023. Jordanstev (talk) 14:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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