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Programming languages are like natural languages, so can we put a box to the side of the page like on a natural language page, that has the languages pedigree? for example,

38.43.22.44 (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see, Spanish is descended from Latin, which is descended from Proto Indo European. Could we show the same with Javascript, to show that it is descended from C++, which in turn is descended from SIMULA? 38.43.22.44 (talk) 21:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: the sources cited are accidental. 38.43.22.44 (talk) 21:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Programming languages are like natural languages. No they aren't. That being said, like many collections of things (family trees, biological taxonomies, books in a library) they can be arranged in a hierarchy. At least, some of them can. I'm supposing some of them would be better described as creoles. I'll leave it to others to discuss whether this is of value. But perhaps this would be better discussed at a higher-level, general page like Wikipedia:WikiProject Software. Largoplazo (talk) 00:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Programming languages are like natural languages, so can we put a box to the side of the page like on a natural language page, that has the languages pedigree? Yes, you can; it's called {{Infobox programming language}}, and it's already there.

As you can see, Spanish is descended from Latin, And, as you can see from that infobox, JavaScript is descended from Java,^[4]^[5] Scheme,^[5] Self,^[6] AWK,^[7] and HyperTalk^[8]

which is descended from Proto Indo European. Which is only implicitly mentioned in the {{Infobox language}} infobox in Spanish language.

That infobox gives a taxonomy, not a history; the taxonomy has Indo-European at the top, meaning that it's the topmost category in which Spanish belongs; all languages in that category descend from the Proto-Indo-European language. The "Latin" in the Language family section of that infobox refers to a "Latin" subfamily of the Latino-Faliscan languages. That subfamily can either be thought of as being the Romance languages, if you include the Latin language as a Romance language, or Latin plus the Romance languages, if you consider the Romance languages to be the descendants of Latin.

Whilst JavaScript inherits some syntax and ideas from some other languages, it also has ideas of its own, so it's not clear from its influences to which hierarchy of families it belongs (more than just Java, and it doesn't inherit everything from Java) So the infobox has, instead, there are various language types, or programming paradigms - a language may use more than one paradigm - predecessors ("influenced by"), and successors ("influenced")

Could we show the same with Javascript, to show that it is descended from C++ Is it descended directly from C++, or it it descended from - or, rather, influenced by - Java, which is, in turn, influenced by many languages, including but not limited to C++? Guy Harris (talk) 06:52, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JavaScript is a Lisp-like language with Java-like syntax. C++ has nothing to do with it except that it was one of the first popular object-oriented programming languages. Which goes to show that this is a bad idea: including this won't teach anybody anything and will invite endless bickering. Rp (talk) 08:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b ^c Cite error: The named reference viva18 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Eberhard, Simons & Fennig (2020)
^ Hammarström, Harald; Forkel, Robert; Haspelmath, Martin; Bank, Sebastian, eds. (2022). "Castilic". Glottolog 4.6. Jena, Germany: Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology. Archived from the original on 28 May 2022. Retrieved 19 June 2022.
^ Seibel, Peter (16 September 2009). Coders at Work: Reflections on the Craft of Programming. Apress. ISBN 9781430219484. Archived from the original on 24 December 2020. Retrieved 25 December 2018. Eich: The immediate concern at Netscape was it must look like Java.
^ ^a ^b Cite error: The named reference origin was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ "Popularity – Brendan Eich".
^ "Brendan Eich: An Introduction to JavaScript, JSConf 2010". YouTube. p. 22m. Archived from the original on 29 August 2020. Retrieved 25 November 2019. Eich: "function", eight letters, I was influenced by AWK.
^ Eich, Brendan (1998). "Foreword". In Goodman, Danny (ed.). JavaScript Bible (3rd ed.). John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 0-7645-3188-3. LCCN 97078208. OCLC 38888873. OL 712205M.

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[Ethnologue-2] Eberhard, Simons & Fennig (2020)

[Glottolog-3] Hammarström, Harald; Forkel, Robert; Haspelmath, Martin; Bank, Sebastian, eds. (2022). "Castilic". Glottolog 4.6. Jena, Germany: Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology. Archived from the original on 28 May 2022. Retrieved 19 June 2022.

[looklikejava-4] Seibel, Peter (16 September 2009). Coders at Work: Reflections on the Craft of Programming. Apress. ISBN 9781430219484. Archived from the original on 24 December 2020. Retrieved 25 December 2018. Eich: The immediate concern at Netscape was it must look like Java.

[origin-5] Cite error: The named reference origin was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[6] "Popularity – Brendan Eich".

[7] "Brendan Eich: An Introduction to JavaScript, JSConf 2010". YouTube. p. 22m. Archived from the original on 29 August 2020. Retrieved 25 November 2019. Eich: "function", eight letters, I was influenced by AWK.

[8] Eich, Brendan (1998). "Foreword". In Goodman, Danny (ed.). JavaScript Bible (3rd ed.). John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 0-7645-3188-3. LCCN 97078208. OCLC 38888873. OL 712205M.

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 :Whilst JavaScript inherits some syntax and ideas from some other languages, it also has ideas of its own, so it's not clear from its influences to which hierarchy of families it belongs (more than just Java, and it doesn't inherit everything from Java) So the infobox has, instead, there are various language types, or [[programming paradigm]]s - a language may use more than one paradigm - predecessors ("influenced by"), and successors ("influenced")
 :{{tq|Could we show the same with Javascript, to show that it is descended from C++}} Is it descended ''directly'' from C++, or it it descended from - or, rather, influenced by - [[Java (programming language)|Java]], which is, in turn, influenced by many languages, including but not limited to C++? [[User:Guy Harris|Guy Harris]] ([[User talk:Guy Harris|talk]]) 06:52, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
-::JavaScript is a Lisp-like language with Java-like syntax. C++ has nothing to do with it except that it was one of the first popular object-oriented programming languages. Which goed ti show that this is a bad idea: including this won't teach anybody anything and will invite endless bickering. [[User:Rp|Rp]] ([[User talk:Rp|talk]]) 08:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
+::JavaScript is a Lisp-like language with Java-like syntax. C++ has nothing to do with it except that it was one of the first popular object-oriented programming languages. Which goes to show that this is a bad idea: including this won't teach anybody anything and will invite endless bickering. [[User:Rp|Rp]] ([[User talk:Rp|talk]]) 08:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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