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September 28

September 28, 2024 (2024-09-28) (Saturday)

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Brisbane Lions win the 2024 AFL Grand Final

Article: 2024 AFL Grand Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Australian Football League, the Brisbane Lions win the 2024 AFL Grand Final after defeating the Sydney Swans by 60 points for their first premiership win since 2003. (Post)
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Assassination of Hassan Nasrallah

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Article: Assassination of Hassan Nasrallah (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Leader of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah (pictured) is killed following airstrikes in Beirut. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, AP
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If confirmed, this will be a massive escalation regarding the situation in the Middle East. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This will take time to clarify what happened, so I would wait. Also, there is a disputed tag on the article. Tone 09:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 27

September 27, 2024 (2024-09-27) (Friday)

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RD: Fabián Caballero

Article: Fabián Caballero (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Mirror
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Argentine-Paraguayan professional footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pappammal

Article: Pappammal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian organic farmer. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(RD posted, blurb discussion continuing) Blurb/RD: Maggie Smith

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Article: Maggie Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  British actress Maggie Smith (pictured) dies at age of 89. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Famous actress. Household name and winner of the Triple Crown of Acting. Davey2116 (talk) 13:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support blurb She was an very famous actress and had some really famous iconic roles throughout her career and has won two Oscars. LiamKorda 14:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now Supporting RD Article is much improved. Neutral on a blurb. She was certainly an important figure, but we have been routinely declining to blurb other giants in the field. "One can't go to pieces at the death of every foreigner. We'd all be in a constant state of collapse whenever we opened a newspaper." Lady Violet, Dowager Countess of Grantham -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very Strong Support Blurb I believe this worldwide famous actor should be featured. She has been the star of many films including both Downton Abbeys and has captured the hearts of many, such a shame we have lost such an icon of the film industry.
The photo does need to be updated on the Wikipedia page, but I strongly support this blurb. 2H-Writer (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The photo is from the period when she won her first Oscar. That's the period where she became most celebrated. We don't need to bow to populism - she was more than Harry Potter and Downton; her damehood, for example, preceded those roles. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blurb The article is still being edited, and she doesn't have enough due weight to merit a blurb. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb per conversations around James Earl Jones and other recent actors. Scuba 18:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that James Earl Jones could and should have been blurbed but wasn't won't have influence the decision to blurb another person. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bummer, but if the consensus is Jones didn't deserve a blurb, than Smith doesn't deserve one either. Scuba 19:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMO as an actress and in achievements, Smith was several rungs above Jones. Cart (talk) 20:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To prove my point, Swedish radio is just doing a tribute program to Smith, Jones wasn't even mentioned on the news. Cart (talk) 20:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that the consensus was that James Earl Jones didn't deserve one - the discussion timed out, but there was a majority in favour. The problem is that every time a non-political figure is nominated for a blurb, there's a hard core of RD regulars who have their own (not necessarily matching) criteria that they repeatedly assert are the death-blurb criteria, and they make every discussion of this kind into a battleground to try and win once and for all. I'm heartily sick of it. We have too few stories reaching ITN as it is, and this just makes these kinds of nominations a bitter business to have to deal with. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. Won Academy Award two times, was in spotlight for around sixty years. A larger than life personality that was a household name and worldwide known, so the information about her death will be useful to many people. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD only - Many notable scientists are mentioned in RD only, so famous actors should fall in the same ballpark. -Abhishikt (talk) 19:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for RD. Definitely a legendary actor of long experience and achievements - Triple Crown actors are far from common. Article looks thoroughly sourced now. I am not certain if she does or does not merit a blurb, for my part. Challenger l (talk) 19:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb She is an actress at the top of her field, with a career spanning decades (including recent award-winning roles), who has a rare "triple crown" of victories. If she is not nominated, then we may as well just set the precedent that no blurbs for actors or actress who die of natural causes ought be posted because this is as notable as you can get. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, absolutely and finally, we may as well just set the precedent. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it would be a bad thing if we decided that politicians' lives deserve special mention and leading cultural figures do not. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This goes for all purely tributary RDs, with lives general audiences remember but deaths featuring age. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional comment and with regards to everyone complaining about the inconsistency if she is posted but not James Earl Jones... I completely agree. JEJ should have been posted, and that was a bad decision on the community's part. But two wrongs a right does not make. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, neutral on blurb. Obviously a very important figure. -insert valid name here- (talk) 20:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - greatly awarded and prolific actor, with an exceptionally long career. I'm not sure saying she isn't a famous politician, or what-aboutims mean much. Nfitz (talk) 20:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ready for RD, based on when I previously commented, the only sourcing issue I see is confirming a notable movie co-starring credit which is trivial to fix. All CNs have been addressed. --Masem (t) 20:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting as RD; blurb discussion ongoing (give me a few minutes to post it correctly; it's been a minute). Among the half dozen people who bothered to mention article quality (instead of the RD/blurb worthiness feud), there's a consensus the article is ready now. The article seems solid, and a lot of readers will be interested in seeing it now, rather than in 3 days when the RD/blurb issue is done. So I'm posting as an RD, and the discussion about a blurb can continue. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very strong support blurb. She has been an iconic, top-notch actress (especially in movies) for decades who won dozens of awards (multiple times), and has worked for many famous pop culture works. Blurb now. 64.114 etc 21:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
VS Support per 64.114 etc and others. 2605:8D80:325:5E2:C5D1:A387:2E8:5DFD (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also a very strong support. The reviews are reasonable. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:6C6D:3321:DFBB:31D2 (talk) 22:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • For those pushing for a blurb, you would strongly help your case by using the numerous obits that have come out to show how much of an impact or legacy she has in her field. There's a rather large number of these (compared even to JEJ) so there's fair game for a blurb, but let's please have stronger evidence based (via sources) that shows this is what reliable sources also state, rather than making original research claims here. --Masem (t) 23:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a reasonable request. I'd much rather this was both the tone and the direction in these kinds of discussions. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I most assuredly do not like Harry Potter. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - not transformative, not in the upper echelon of famous and important actors. Can easily tell the story of film/television without her. Not especially well-known. I don't think a minor role in one of the most successful franchises of all time should mean very much. 2601:5C2:0:A6F0:5D8A:2DAE:87E0:4CF7 (talk) 03:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just realized I wasn't logged in - replying for attribution purposes. LocoTacoFever (talk) 03:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Not especially well-known' - this claim, in particular, is in the teeth of the evidence. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, 'either a serving head of state or government, or died in a notable manner' is not and never has been the unique criterion for these things, and your repeated thumping on it does not make it so. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Page views show what has been read, the purpose of ITN is direct people to things we would like them to read. The causal connection runs the wrong way. Please for the love of all that's holy stop citing page views as evidence. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page views show the level of interest and coverage. But not everyone follows the news closely and so ITN helps those who may have missed the announcement. And another goal is to "to emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource". This is best done by posting blurbs frequently rather having a static, stale selection. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aside from the fact her name is already on the front page, with a handy link, over 2 million people found there was to the article without the need for a blurb. I'm not sure people will have missed the news elsewhere and only be able to see it if it's blurbed here... - SchroCat (talk) 09:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. A good source here.
A good source showing illustrious career: "Maggie herself was determined to remind her audience – and to reassure herself – that she had played opposite Olivier, played Hedda Gabler for Ingmar Bergman, made films with John Ford, George Cukor, Joe Mankiewicz"[1] BilboBeggins (talk) 08:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Clive Everton

Article: Clive Everton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo Sports ,Daily Express, The Guardian, BBC, World Snooker Tour
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Professional snooker and English billiards player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(On hold until October 1) Shigeru Ishiba / 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election

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Clear consensus to wait until October 1, when Ishiba formally assumes office as PM. The Kip (contribs) 23:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Articles: Shigeru Ishiba (talk · history · tag) and 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) wins the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party leadership election and will succeed Fumio Kishida as Prime Minister of Japan. (Post)
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
While this is a party election and Ishiba has not yet taken office, it is the politically significant election and is in the news now. Sandstein 09:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a comment that he is expected to take office in four days, so it could be an option to just wait until he is officially Prime Minister. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 10:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I was thinking about. Don't we normally blurb things like this once they take office? Plus Ishiba's Personal life section is unsourced so we could take the time until he assumes office to polish up his article. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until he is officially PM. Scuba 19:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as soon as he takes office as Prime Minister. 64.114 etc 21:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until he becomes PM, then very strong support. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:6C6D:3321:DFBB:31D2 (talk) 22:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. Shigeru Ishiba has not become Prime Minister yet. When he is inaugurated come October 1st, I will also support very strongly. 2605:8D80:325:5E2:4D24:45D6:9490:51F3 (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Ready) RD: Sayuri

Article: Sayuri (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Japanese Singer-Songwriter, known for singing the ED themes for several animes notably My Hero Academia and Lycoris Recoil. Death occured on September 20 but news was only released publicly today. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 26

September 26, 2024 (2024-09-26) (Thursday)

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RD: Keki N. Daruwalla

Article: Keki N. Daruwalla (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The HinduThe Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian poet.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait needs some work, which is currently carried out. Will check out later to see if it is ready. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 12:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Hurricane Helene makes landfall

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Article: Hurricane Helene (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Helene (pictured) makes landfall near Perry, Florida, United States, as a category 4 hurricane. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Helene leaves at least 6 people dead across the Southeastern United States.
News source(s): National Hurricane Center
Credits:

Now that the hurricane has made landfall before midnight on the 26, it can be here. Three deaths have been confirmed, as well, but I can't find a good-quality source with all three in one, and the death toll will likely become apparent and easier to cite once this gets posted, which it most likely will be. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 03:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have added an altblurb that more aligns with tropical cyclone related blurbs. I do believe "Southeastern United States" is worth having in the blurb because a good chunk of this region has felt the impacts of this system. Still would like to wait a tad for more precise impacts to come in, but I do imagine we'll run this eventually. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Updates: Flash Flood emergency issued in Atlanta and insured damage range has now been set between 4 and 6 billion dollars (2024 USD). GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is in good shape and the hurricane is now relevant ITN due to making landfall. Scuba 17:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Updates: The Lake Lure reservoir in North Carolina is threatened with immediate failure, and per the aggregated total of fatalities on the Helene page, the death toll is now around 30 and likely to continue to rise. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 25

September 25, 2024 (2024-09-25) (Wednesday)

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(Closed) Tropical Storm Helene (2024)

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Consensus to post will clearly not develop at the moment. Nominate this again after the hurricane damage becomes clear. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 22:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (pictured) currently hitting on Caribbean Sea. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (pictured) currently hitting in Caribbean Sea.
News source(s): [2] [3] [4]
Credits:

Nominator's comments: 2024 Atlantic storm. Lowest pressure is 979. Category 3 Hurricane on September 27 †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 13:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we wait until there's actual estimates of damage/casualties? Why this frantic hurry to be the first to nominate something? Way too premature. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose and close WP:CRYSTALBALL. Renominate once this actually impacts land, once deaths / injuries or damage becomes clear. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. Right now is absolutely not an appropriate time to post this, as Helene's impacts have (so far) been relatively limited and minimal. This may or may not change upon its eventual landfall on the U.S. Gulf Coast, but this is no guarantee of an exceptionally impactful storm yet. ArkHyena (talk) 16:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait as with every single storm that is proposed to ITN, the proposer consistently adds it before it's notable. I feel like we should establish some sort of criteria for when to post these, such as when they make landfall, or when they cause significant casualties, but that's beyond the scope of this proposal. Scuba 16:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Both "hitting on" and "hitting in" are awkward to use in this context. Hitting on (at least in the U.S.) is a synonym of flirting. Hitting in, on the other hand, I have never heard of the term "hitting in" before, the closest term "hit in" means to target or set a bounty. TansoShoshen (talk) 17:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hitting on is more related to sexual harassment I'd think these days. Nfitz (talk) 19:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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September 24

September 24, 2024 (2024-09-24) (Tuesday)

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Captain James Fitzjames' remains

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Article: James Fitzjames (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The remains of HMS Erebus captain James Fitzjames (pictured) are identified after 177 years. (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
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Article updated

(Posted) RD: Peter Jay (diplomat)

Article: Peter Jay (diplomat) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a bit of work to get it into shape, but should be manageable. - SchroCat (talk) 05:01, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 23

September 23, 2024 (2024-09-23) (Monday)

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RD: Dick Moss

Article: Dick Moss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Death announced 23 September. Thriley (talk) 18:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Meets the minimum requirements. If an infobox could be added to the article, that would be great. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Articles don't typically have an "Introduction". They have leads. (Kudos.) If those are combined and the "Personal life and death" section doesn't start with him already dead, then yeah, maybe all it needs is an infobox (and perhaps less promotional tone). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The final sentence seems particularly unbelievable, given how he didn't have a Wikipedia article till yesterday and it still doesn't contain any prehumous references. Those three obituaries could probably be covered by one. I'd keep two, if I were editing, since it'd otherwise be open to an orange tag about relying on a single source. While I'm nitpicking, I don't think Ungathering deserves credit as an updater. Fine fleshing out, no doubt, but Thriley broke the news here. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Norbert Lohfink

Article: Norbert Lohfink (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jesuiten, Evangelische Zeitung
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

German Catholic priest, theologian and member of the Jesuits. Grimes2 (talk) 10:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good, let's post. Bremps... 03:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support seems good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 12:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) New moon

WP:NAC. While WP:AGF, Consensus to post at the moment is unlikely to develop. Please consider nominating this again on September 29. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 01:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 PT5 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A newly-discovered near-Earth object will be captured by Earth's gravity on September 29. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, CNN, LA Times, NYT, Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
We don't seem to have a good free image yet but I suppose one is coming. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, it’s not Sep 29 yet. 64.114 etc 21:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose should be nominated next week. But also this article is just a stub. Natg 19 (talk) 21:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until it actually comes into orbit, but also Oppose on quality - article is a stub. The Kip (contribs) 21:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait interesting, but not news yet This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment given that there is estimated to be one Temporary satellite in orbit at any time, and per the see also list we've identified a previously unknown case once every two years, roughly, this seems to fall more on a trivia side suited for DYK than ITN. Masem (t) 21:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, pretty cool and notable but hasn't happened yet Personisinsterest (talk) 23:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait A new moon for Earth is a major note in astronomy and can be very interesting to non-astronomers too. I should say wait for September 29 to post though. High Admiral JMT (talk) 00:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • While Masem's overstating his case a bit, I think everyone else is doing the same for theirs, too. This is a 10m-wide rock; I can't find a prediction for maximum expected apparent magnitude, but current observations are about +22.1, and the back of my envelope says it can't possibly get brighter than +19.4. Some of the sources above say it "won't be visible to the naked eye", which is one heck of an understatement; it'll be at least 200x dimmer than Pluto, you're going to need a serious telescope to see it, and while Andrew's right that we'll probably get free images of it, expect it to look a lot closer to our ones of Eris than our ones of Eros. I'm all for posting interesting news, especially interesting astronomy news, but c'mon. We don't even post lunar eclipses, and at least people can go outside and look at those. —Cryptic 02:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, now and whenever this is nominated again. This is hardly a situation worth calling Earth getting a "new moon". It's a rock that will be here a bit and then it will be gone. Yawn. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: this is popsci trivia. Even the byline for the NYTimes article that was linked says It’s just a little guy, and not everyone agrees that it’s actually a mini-moon. Also, Despite its possible lunar ancestry, the object may not technically count as a mini-moon. To normally qualify, an asteroid must orbit Earth fully at least once; 2024 PT5 will perform a horseshoe-shaped orbit. “It certainly won’t complete one full revolution in the Earth-moon system this fall, so I’m not sure I would classify it as a mini-moon’” said Lance Benner, the principal investigator of the asteroid radar research program at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 04:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, per Cryptic and Bait30. This isn't really a rare occurrence either, quite a few objects have been altered by Earth's gravitational field that we have characterized in the past few years especially with the advent of higher quality observational tools helping us identify more objects within our cosmic neighborhood. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN subjects don't have to be rare as ITN mainly publishes lots of repetitive and routine items such as deaths, elections and sport. Instead, ITN entries have to be "in the news", and this one is. The only other NEO which seems to have gotten attention this year seems to have been 2008 OS7 and that's still a red link. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per others: it's trivia that we have a rock temporarily orbiting us for a while and then not doing so. - SchroCat (talk) 11:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until September 29 as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait and maybe support. An interesting astronomy fact and very much in the news. Regarding the fact that this happens every few years, we do post other events (elections, etc.) with this regularity too. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose now, support when it's the 29th and it's actually in orbit Scuba 15:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for now but on 29th Sept, My vote will be Support. I am all for these types of science ITN items. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Bait30 & Ornithoptera. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Pulled) 23 September 2024 Lebanon strikes

Article: 23 September 2024 Lebanon strikes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon leave 492+ dead and 1,645+ wounded in the single deadliest attack since the 2006 Lebanon War (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel fires hundreds of airstrikes towards Lebanon, killing at least 492 and injuring at least 1,640 in the deadliest Israeli attack in the country since the 2006 Lebanon War.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Lebanon, Israeli airstrikes targeting Hezbollah kill at least 492 people and injure over 1,600, in the deadliest day since the 2006 Lebanon War.
News source(s): NYTNBCWPABCReutersAP
Credits:

Huge escalation of the conflict in the middle east, every single media outlet is talking about it. Scuba 19:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as it'll likely be posted at this point, propose ALT2. Better wording IMO, and virtually all RSes mention that the strikes were at least intended to target Hezbollah, though they've unsurprisingly resulted in massive collateral damage/civilian casualties too. The Kip (contribs) 04:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Can't see why not at this point. Bremps... 05:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support big body death toll Ion.want.uu (talk) 05:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support With 500 deaths and 2 thousand injuries, this is most definitely NOT covered by ongoing. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 07:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. We now have 2 Lebanon blurbs live, but I suppose the pagers one will roll off soon. Perhaps an ongoing nomination should be considered. Sandstein 07:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is already covered by Ongoing. The strikes are just the latest cycle of tit-for-tat which started with Operation Al-Aqsa Flood on 7 Oct 2023. And we cover this with multiple entries in Ongoing. The timeline has multiple entries for Lebanon on Sep 23. And the lead of Israel–Hamas war says "There have also been an ongoing exchange of strikes between Lebanon's Hezbollah and Israel, risking the eruption of another full-scale war." And that article has a large section for the Israel–Lebanon border.
    So, what ITN has now is excessive duplication as this conflict has four separate entries: two blurbs and two ongoing links. Tsk.
    Andrew🐉(talk) 09:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Respectfully, I think there's a big difference between saying that X led to Y and saying that X and Y are the same thing. It's true that the beginning of the Gaza war nearly a year ago started a chain of dominoes that eventually brought us to the present day. But that does not mean that the airstrikes in Lebanon are not a meaningfully distinct subject from those in Gaza, or that these events were not significant enough to warrant their own article and their own ITN entry to assist readers in finding it.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 10:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The main point is that the claims above that this is not covered by Ongoing are wrong -- there have been multiple updates about this incident in the articles linked by Ongoing. The only issue seems to be that the titles of the Ongoing links are not broad enough. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The issue is that this is an event with very high casualties, is a large escalation in the Israel-Hezbollah conflict, and was around 10 times more deadly than the pager explosions, which were blurbed (you !voted to wait in that discussion). Such a major attack on Hezbollah is not something that would usually be covered by ongoing. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 15:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm confused @Andrew Davidson. What's the second ongoing link? Ukraine or Sudan? Though if Russia ever killed that many people in an attack on Kiev, I'd expect we'd end up blurbing that too. Nfitz (talk) 17:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Both of these report the facts of the blurb in question such as the number of casualties. And, altogether, the first page refers to Lebanon 68 times and Hezbollah 47 times. For the second page, the count is 102 and 114. The claim that this front is not covered by the Ongoing pages is misinformation. Clear?
    Note BTW that the timeline page seems to have been orange-tagged since August. Is no-one but me actually reading these things?
    Andrew🐉(talk) 18:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Day 2+ The strikes have continued for another day and show no sign of stopping. So, the scope and title of the article is now uncertain and under discussion. This further demonstrates the ongoing nature of the topic. The existing timeline copes with this without any hiccup as it has numerous detailed entries each day which cover the full range of the strikes and other incidents throughout the complete theatre. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Noting that the blurb has been pulled due to an ongoing NPOV dispute over the lead. The Kip (contribs) 19:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I see an NPOV in the background not the lede. Scuba 18:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's probably shifted since I posted this note. Point is there's still an orange tag. The Kip (contribs) 23:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 22

September 22, 2024 (2024-09-22) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Hanif Kureshi

Article: Hanif Kureshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian artist and designer. Article has shaped into a decent C-class biography. Ktin (talk) 14:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine. Scuba 14:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good enough to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 12:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dick Diamonde

Article: Dick Diamonde (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Music
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian bass guitarist and member of The Easybeasts. Death announced on 22 September. 240F:7A:6253:1:B4B6:28B7:28ED:B519 (talk) 00:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Fredric Jameson

Article: Fredric Jameson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Influential American literary critic, philosopher, and Marxist political theorist. Author of Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism and The Political Unconscious. Thriley (talk) 23:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose multiple cn tags, one orange tagged section and almost entirely unsourced publications section. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oppose article needs work and citations. Scuba 14:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - significantly updated and {cn} tags taken care of. It looks pretty good and should be ready to go. I hope other editors can take a look and/or we can get it posted before it goes stale. - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 21:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election

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Article: 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the 9th presidential election to become the 10th President of Sri Lanka.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election to become the 10th President of Sri Lanka.
News source(s): BBC, The Hindu, Al Jazeera, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: A new head of state was elected, and this was the first time a second round of counting was needed in Sri Lankan history.

Updated the fields Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per ITN/R Scuba 20:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. Change in control of executive, also victory of a third-party candidate. Not Wlwtn (talk) 01:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above IDB.S (talk) 03:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per ITN/R. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 03:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 45th Chess Olympiad

Proposed image
Article: 45th Chess Olympiad (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India wins both, the open and the women's events, at the 45th Chess Olympiad (Open board one winner Gukesh Dommaraju pictured) (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 45th Chess Olympiad (best individual player Gukesh Dommaraju pictured) concludes with India winning both the Open and Women's events.
News source(s): FirstPost (India)
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Open event winners identified. Should know of the women's event gold medalists soon. Both results are now in. Very nice work by ITN regular Kiril Simeonovski on the articles. Ktin (talk) 14:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How come this was posted? This seems to be a youth event (Olympiad) and not the adult competition which (as far as I am aware) gets more publicity. Is this ITNR? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? This is not a youth event. This is the main biennial Chess Olympiad, with many top players including Magnus Carlson, Fabiano Carauna, etc participating. Also, the Chess Olympiad is ITNR. Natg 19 (talk) 19:00, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm totally unfamiliar with Chess competition. Is the Chess Olympiad different from the World Chess Championship? That one seems to have names I recognize. Confused why theres two different chess contests which are apparently of similar prestige / importance... QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 17:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The World Chess Championship is an individual tournament; the Chess Olympiad is one between teams (representing countries). —Cryptic 17:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the Chess Olympiad is an international "team" tournament, meant to be like the Olympics for chess, while the WCC is a separate tournament for individual players to determine the "best" player in chess (though now that is disputed as the world #1 is not participating). Natg 19 (talk) 19:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thank you all! QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: W. Jayasiri

Article: W. Jayasiri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

†TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 10:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose unsourced filmography and other acting roles. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Koos van der Merwe

Article: Koos van der Merwe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pretoria FM (Afrikaans)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

South African politician and formerly, the longest serving South African MP. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support meets the minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per nom †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 10:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 21

September 21, 2024 (2024-09-21) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

RD: Eddie Low

Article: Eddie Low (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 1News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Noted New Zealand country musician. 240F:7A:6253:1:7C62:11B9:C5FF:512D (talk) 22:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose unsourced awards and Discography sections. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 12:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Benny Golson

Article: Benny Golson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American bebop/hard bop jazz tenor saxophonist. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mercury Morris

Article: Mercury Morris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American professional football player. Needs some work Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet Post-football career section needs more sources but the rest of the article is in a good shape now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Al McCoy (sportscaster)

Article: Al McCoy (sportscaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American sportscaster Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support besides a rather archaic list of sports trivia, his article has no major problems. I feel rest of the article is of a high enough quality to include despite the orange tag. Scuba 02:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would just remove that entire section. Natg 19 (talk) 02:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose three orange tagged sections and multiple cn tags in others. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Daniel J. Evans

Article: Daniel J. Evans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): University of Washington, Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American politician from the state of Washington. Died yesterday, announced today. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sunshineisles2, shouldn't this be in the September 20 section? We put entries by date of event/death, not date of nomination. Aza24 (talk) 22:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aza24: I've seen it done either way, if memory serves. I tend to go by the date a death was announced, since if someone died two weeks ago but it wasn't publicly announced until today, their article would presumably still be nominated, even if nominations for the actual date of death had been archived. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 23:46, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Senator, governor, and his article looks good. Scuba 02:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is in a good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Greg Malouf

Article: Greg Malouf (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Noted Australian chef. Death announced on 21 September. 240F:7A:6253:1:B152:A2D8:5EEC:B1EC (talk) 14:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose multiple issues, no way near ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article in pretty bad shape. Scuba 17:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ongoing: Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)

Article: Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I believe recent events have shown that this is very much merits ongoing status. The parent Israel–Hezbollah conflict article requires a lot of work, but the more specific Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) looks fine. Also I know that the Israel-Hamas war article is already in ongoing but although inter-linked, this really isn't the same conflict. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I’m split on this one. Half of me thinks it merits it’s own ongoing but the other half thinks it’s covered by ongoing (spillover). 2407:E400:D004:BA01:38AE:EBE1:FE49:CF65 (talk) 11:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support It is now a separate conflict. Prodrummer619 (talk) 11:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - To see if the current period of heightened tensions between Israel and Hezbollah following the pager attack continues after the blurb rolls off. Obviously if a full conflict starts then we put this in ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Per above, no ground invasion of southern Lebanon yet. If the situation escalates that far then it's safe to say this will be an ongoing conflict. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:37, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moderate Support it’s getting more heated now and i support giving its own ongoing but it could easily get taken off IMO Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until boots are on the ground. Scuba 02:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per above †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 04:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a significant armed conflict that merits inclusion and which would have already been posted onto ongoing had there not been the Israel-Hamas conflict. We cannot downplay the significance of this ongoing event just because it involves Israel again or because we have posted too many ongoing wars. Yes, it's not ideal to use ongoing only for wars, but the discussion on its purpose should be carried out on the talk page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose On one hand it's separate from the occupation of Gaza and the ongoing ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. But it's all related. There's indications that Israel may invade both the West Bank and Lebanon as well - do we then create 4 ongoings? I'd support renaming the current ongoing to cover all of Israel and it's enemies ongoing military actions, war crimes, and violations of international law. Nfitz (talk)
  • Wait until things escalate more. We don't know yet whether this heat up will last longer. Also, having four ongoing entries (with brackets) will be too much. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changing my vote to Support now. I think it should be added when the missile attack item rolls off, although I am still of the opinion that four ongoing entries will be too much, therefore I think one of the other three should be removed. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 18:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion Put Arab-israeli conflict (or something like that) and then in parenthesis put the hamas and Hezbollah ones separate? Sportsnut24 (talk) 09:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That article is way too high level, covering decades of conflict, to be useful as a main page link — Masem (t) 16:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why don’t we create a new article then titled something along the lines of “Arab-Israeli Conflict (2023-Present)” (unless that article already exists lol) Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps pluralize "conflict". Nfitz (talk) 20:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is where we have to be careful with original research. I'm not saying that such sources dont exist, but we need to make sure if we start grouping news topics, we are following how sources do it. If we're grouping them just because we think they are connected without sourcing to back that up (which again, I don't think this is the case but we should be sure), we're engaging in original research Masem (t) 22:24, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not really OR since it clearly exists. Palestine, Lebanon AND Yemen have been in conflict over the last almost 12 months. The only connection is that they are all Arabs so it would make sense.Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The only connection is that they are all Arabs" is absolutely original research that would be a problem if sources did not link these topics already. — Masem (t) 16:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can see this argument, but I also wonder how we can distill all these conflicts into a single topic so as to not clutter the main page. I'm assuming readers aren't going to want to jump around to 2 or 3 different Israel x <Group> conflict pages. ? Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a good article (needs some sprucing up) to fit the bill: Spillover of the Israel–Hamas warSportsnut24 (talk) 08:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per above. The pager explosions were a notable escalation, and the airstrikes/rocket strikes have ramped up in intensity, but IMO unless a full-scale invasion happens it's not quite at the level for ongoing yet. Agree with at least waiting until the pager blurb rolls off. The Kip (contribs) 18:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now There has been significant recent escalation in the conflict that may be worth placing it in ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Worth noting that there's an ongoing nomination for 23 September 2024 Lebanon strikes. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I nominated it a couple of weeks ago but the situation had not reach the necessary significance level. I think we reached that now. It’s currently geting as much (if not more) coverage than the Gaza conflict. Roncanada (talk) 20:36, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Escalation in the number of casualties and mass evacuation of Northern Israel brings this to the necessary level for ongoing. FlipandFlopped ツ 16:00, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order

Article: Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Albanian prime minister Edi Rama announced plans to create the Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order, a new Islamic country in Europe. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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New news from Albania, Edi Rama plans to create a new city-state enclave in Tirana. Di (they-them) (talk) 23:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Let's include them when the state is actually created, not when the state has been announced as planned to exist one day in the eventual future. Scuba 02:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until the plans are actually acted upon. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hold until, and if, this happens This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until it is officially established. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
wait New states are definately notably (last being South Sudan), but let's see it be more than a plan. Will it be an UN state? Will it just be another puppet state for UN voted (likely)?Sportsnut24 (talk) 09:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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