User talk:Gunkarta

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Image for Majapahit

Dear Gunkarta, Thanks for making updates to Majapahit Empire. Can you fix/remove/adjust the image? It's badly harming the page. In the future, please don't leave a change if it's fouled up like that. Cheers, --Smilo Don 19:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear Gunkarta, on second thought, I really object to the map. Please see the talk page. Maybe you can discuss it there? Talk:Majapahit Empire Sorry for the strong objection--I don't mean to discourage your contribution, but this type of map really touches a nerve. --Smilo Don 20:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Editing on WP; Majapahit

Dear Gunkarta, Thanks so much for getting involved with Wikipedia. Understandably, you feel strongly about Majapahit, but please respect the Talk page. You can reopen the discussion, but you can't just decide to ignore it. Personally, I don't even think the map should be included in its current form, but the other editors prevailed. As a compromise, a note was put on the map to note that it can't be completely relied upon. Please have a look at the the Welcome above, and have a look at WP:3RR. Don't worry--many editors are sympathetic to your position about the Majapahit. Just make your case on the Talk page and WP:3RR before editing the map's caption any more. Cheers, --Smilo Don 18:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Image alignment

Instead of revert warring on aligning image to the left in Raden Wijaya article, could you please learn WP:MOS, especially Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Images? Thanks. — Indon (reply) — 08:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Categories

When constructing articles - better a stub tab or if you know exactly which ones - categories - at the bottom of the page are good insurance - in more ways than one - and also the Indonesian project tag on the discussion page - it will keep various issues at bay if you can place them as soon as you are editing the article in mainspace SatuSuro 00:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

RatuBoko

Is definitely a contestable article - it first read like a non english speakers lift from a cerita rakyat - the now available scholarship makes some of the claims by the unsourced argument questionable - i just never got back to do a re-write (too many projects in hand) - cheers SatuSuro 01:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Picture of the Week

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Your image inserted in Borobudur

Gunkarta, why do you always push images you uploaded here should be included in an article? Borobudur has a lot of images already in Commons:Category:Borobudur. We pick pictures that relate to the text given in the article. Could you please read again Wikipedia guidelines, esp: Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout#Images. There states: You should always be watchful not to overwhelm an article with images by adding more just because you can. — Indon (reply) — 07:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK October 1

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Picture of the Week

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Image copyright problem with Image:Gajah Mada.jpg

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Commons...

Hello there. You seem to be uploading a number of pics to wikipedia. Have you thought of adding these to "commons" instead? It's my strong recommendation this is a better way to go for any future uploads. It's where I put my photos for wikipedia. One photo can be used easily across a number of wikipedia's - ie, Indonesian, Javanese, Japanese, whichever. It's the same process to upload - in fact it may be easier. This is the upload page. Once it is uploaded, you simply link it into the article the way you are doing now. Any questions, please let me know. --Merbabu (talk) 00:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

References...

Please do not add anything to wikipedia without reliable references. This means scholarly content, not lower quality sources. Also, in-line cites are far more useful, in fact, a general list of references is not so helpful. I know you are not the only one so please don't take offense. Ie, i notice this change. Keep up the good work. regards --Merbabu (talk) 04:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Please ensure that all info has very good references. This is a fundamental and non-negotiable principle of wikipedia, which will continued to be demanded. Info added without references should be removed immediately. thanks. --Merbabu (talk) 21:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

"See also" sections

...sorry, another thing. It's not wikipedia practice to repeat a link in a "See Also" section if the link is already in the article. Ie, regarding these changes], we don't need Sailendra or Borobudur in See also, because they are listed in the article. cheers. --Merbabu (talk) 04:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Prambanan

Info berasal di mana? looks like a copy vio - where does it come from - how come no citations? mohon maaf kalau says kurang sopan - but we need to identify sources SatuSuro 00:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

You will find another editor might want to revert all of your edits unless you either - cite your source, or make an effort to identify the text/web page from which you are either copying or looking at SatuSuro 08:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Ya - bahasa asli saya inggeris - tak apa apa tentang buku asli - saya bisa tambah nanti - maaf kalau saya kurang sopan atau meganggu SatuSuro 08:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

May 2008

This is english wikipedia - that is WP EN, it really does look like you need to stick with WP IN - bagaimana?

When on the English-language Wikipedia, please always use English, tetapi saya harus coba bahasa saya - sudah banyak kesalahan dan kasar untk membuat keterangan tentang WP EN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majapahit&diff=215741834&oldid=215491696 Reverence - sama dengan bersembah, atau dalam bahasa Jawa - pundhi - untuk give respect to - dalam WP EN, if you put any statement into an article - it needs a reference - source - citation- sebab dalam WP EN - we have WP:N, WP:RS, WP:V, and we want to know where the information came from.

Please consider whether you would prefer maybe WP IN better? Thank you SatuSuro 00:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that's my mistake...., often miss-type f to v... thanks for you correction...

What is wikipedia not all about

Can you do it more nicely without humiliating or patronizing other contributors? Oh yeah, I want to congratulate you for suceed to become one of my least favourite person here in wikipedia. - found at Merbabu Talk page.

(edit conflict)"D'oh..! Its commonly known that Indonesian motto Bhinneka Tunggal Ika was originated in Sutasoma poem by Mpu Tantular, I haven't met the reverence yet, why user: Merbabu soo rigid about reverence." Apart from being uncivil, your edit summary suggests you still don't understand wikipedia fundamentals. I've seen on Indonesia wikipedia that "common knowledge" is the criteria for inclusion, but not on en. No reference, no addition, no arguments. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 12:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi there - mungkin itu - kesalahan terlalu besar? Kalau bisa - try to be more polite - sopan - because in Wikipedia EN - we have some rules WP:AGF and others - if you dont like your mistakes being corrected - maybe you should edit at WP:IN ?

If you feel humiliated, patronized by an editor - there are possibly issues that you need to consider - if your english is not going well - maybe you could consider improving WP:IN - rather than having problems at WP:EN. SatuSuro 09:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Dear, Satu Suro and Merbabu..., thank you for your suggestion for me to get back to WP:IN, and enlightening me in WP fundamentals. But no thanks, I still want to do more contributions to WP:EN as well as in WP:IN. Soo you can expect me to lurking around here in many WP:EN articles, you're all welcome to edit my terrible english or any my unreferenced source anytime. Just bring it on.

I admit there's some of my mistakes I've done here. But I can see that some editor here are realy hmm..., too rigid about reference. If that what WP:EN fundamental is, well what can I say..? my mistakes. However, can you fill in the request for reference rather than rushing to "overkill" an article by erasing or undo it, because its not a mistake at all that Bhinneka Tunggal Ika was taken from Sutasoma book from Majapahit era. Your deletion of "unreferenced truth" has made me snap. Toned down your somewhat 'patronizing' comments, and I'll try to be more "civilized" too. Btw, I haven't dig my old Pendidikan Moral Pancasila text book to gave requested reference, then again..., whatever lah... Therefore I'll try to enrichen my reference sorce and perfected my english, thus try my best NOT to have any problems or any business with you both, or felt being humiliated or patronized by you all "kuncen sesepuh" here in WP:EN. Cheers and Goodbye, <(Gunkarta (talk) 12:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)). 208.110.17.141 (talk) 09:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You seem to not understand what wikipedia is about - try reading through a welcome page again and stop trying to place blame on those who wish to correct you - that is a very small picture view - the wikipedia project is the bigger picture - you have to understand if we did not try to help you - then there are other editors who would do it with less politeness than we try - orang sudah kasar - tampah bahasa atau understanding of where you are coming from - and then you would really want to leave.

If you want to add to items in the Wikipedia english project - you will have to live with issues of WP:RS. WP:N. WP:V - if you do not like that - you will continue to have problems - if not with us - then with others - try to get away from blame - and either get on with editing - or put up - cheers SatuSuro 09:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Whatever.., Thanks to get "easy" on me. (Btw, I hardly can't understand your Bahasa Indonesia "gado-gado" with english, please stick to communicate with your perfect english, I'll try my best to understand with my terrible-defective-broken english.)

OK, I got your message, I'll try to stay away from trouble and try not to have any problems here in WP:EN, meanwhile, I'm gonna bail-out and activate my "ignore mode". Cheers.., Its "nice" knowing you both... Selamat tinggal. (Gunkarta (talk) 12:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)).

Link to KOMPAS?

Dear Gunkarta, I don't suppose you have a link to the Majapahit picture from Kompas?? I tried their search engine and (1) every link is broken, and (2) they don't seem to have the result online. Perhaps you have a direct link? I'm very curious to read the whole story on Kompas. Terima kasih, Smilo Don (talk) 10:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

File moved to Commons

I moved the File:Juanda_Airport_Apron.jpg to the Wikimedia Commons. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Trowulan

Hello Gunawan, although I speak Indonesian I will write in English so other users can understand. I would like to use your beautiful picture of Bajang Ratu gate in French Wikkpedia but am unable to download it into commons. Can you please do it? Anda Djoehana (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Majapahit

I think the fact that Indonesians believe there used to be a political entity dominating the Indonesian archipelago (and more) prior to the coming of Europeans, is a problem. In ancient time, the archipelago hosted many small polities that traded with each other. Sriwijaya and later on Majapahit were only the most successful of them in their times, but they did not control the other entities. It was the Dutch who, by territorial and political domination, unified the archipelago into one single entity, deciding that Java should be its centre (they called the other islands "Outer Islands"). 32 years of Soeharto centralism (not mentioning the Soekarno era) showed that centralisation did not work. The current regional autonomy scheme at kabupaten level seems to work, because Indonesia is comint back to its roots! Best regards, Anda Djoehana (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Prambanan/ legends etc

External links are not enough - it looks like one vast copvio - you need to either identify where you got all that text, or at least identify some things with cites - also check for some more possible links if popossible - if that is not too much to ask for :) cheers SatuSuro 07:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay I'll try to find cites from books... (Gunkarta (talk) 11:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)).

Jangan kwatir - no rush - I think I have a few cerita rakyat books in my storage that have this one - she's a popular gal the slim virgin :) SatuSuro 12:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Kalasan, sari et al - we gonna have to be more careful with inline cites - there are some odd bits creeping in that need more careful citations (Buddhist heaven at Kalasan is an odd one for instance) - cheers SatuSuro 00:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Done..., change to "svargaloka" to avoid confusions with common concept of heaven. -cheers (Gunkarta (talk) 10:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC))

Wow thanks for that - I am sure I have some other refs for kalasan - somewhere - I used to live down the road (west) not far from it for a while SatuSuro 11:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Sambisari

Saya tinggal disana tak jahu dari tempat - banyak tahun yang lalu - dan artikel itu harus cleanup bhs inggeris - some expressions must have citations against them - mudah mudahan gunkarta tak copy terus dari website :( SatuSuro 07:39, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow.. so you have visited the ruins right? Thank you for your edit and english cleanup, I really appreciate that. And no.., I did not copy edit it from some website, most of the data are taken from information board (written in Indonesian) in small office near Sambisari temple that serves as some kinds of "small museum" to display data, maquette, maps, and artifact found in Sambisari vicinity. And sorry, I think my translations is not perfect. Btw I haven't find any books about Sambisari yet, maybe I'll provide more sources of book references and inline quotations later . --cheers... (Gunkarta (talk) 11:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)).

DYK for Sambisari

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Maps at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 July 31

Hi, I am processing some images nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 July 31. I am gathering from what I read here that you created these maps for your employer. Unfortunately, that does mean that your employer owns the copyright. You asked this question: "if Somebody wants to upload the map like this, or any other maps or images that being published by certain media. Recreate it and translate it to english. What can be done to make this legal in wiki?" I would like to attempt to answer that. There is nothing that you can do to a work owned by someone else to make it your own. Anything you do to a picture that someone else owns the copyright to is only a "derivative work" so we can't use that without their permission. We do have, however, a very large number of blank maps available at Wikipedia:Blank_maps and Commons:Category:Blank maps. Any map that you find there is either public domain or has been released under a license that allows modification. You need to make sure that if you make a map derived from one of these, you provide a link to the map that it is based on and use the same license that the map you used has. I hope that helps. --B (talk) 21:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry

didnt meant to pick on an article by you at all - just the general state of edit warring on big stuff and the little stuff going un checked leaves me with a wide scope of tagging almost everything at the moment - meant to have december wikipedia free.... but.... SatuSuro 13:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

That's OK, I understand the principle of wikipedia about references and favouring sourced materials. However yes, I find is alarming about the war-edit and major deletions by some of wikipedians, although I might find some of the data is acceptable and true (well, some wikipedians might pass as an iron-fisted tyrant). Can I remove the unsourced and unreferenced tag on Dyah Pitaloka Citraresmi now? (Gunkarta (talk) 13:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC))

btw - would you be able to help with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kue_Keranjang at all? It would be appreciated if you could - thanks SatuSuro 13:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Nusantara

Hello there. Further to our discussion on Nusantara, I have found an English language reference for it being beyond Indonesian borders, and I have included it in the article. Given that Indonesia-only definition is from the esteemed Echols and Shadily dictionary, I believe that it should stand also. I think both can stand the way it is written – ie, both definitions have enough legitimacy, and the existence and difference of both should be acknowledged. regards --Merbabu (talk) 23:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia World Cup

I've suspected for a while now that Indonesia was only bidding for the 2022 World Cup, and not both that and the 2018 one. But I couldn't find a solid source to say that, they all assume Indonesia's doing both. Is there an article or website that says this? Anyway, I'll change the map next time I get a chance.-- Patrick {_oѺ^∞} 19:23, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

2011 SEA Games Logo

Thanks! I thought it was the final logo already, because it had the features that were supposed to be found in the logo according to a description from a news report. isagani 02:42, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Surya Majapahit

Please - it looks great but - no links and no WP :RS - trust you are able to find some refs!!!! SatuSuro 00:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to search reference book, however most of Surya Majapahit informations is first-hand infos from museum exhibit in Jakarta and Trowulan. Rarely books about Majapahit mention specificly about this sun emblem. Surya Majapahit itself is recently re-popularized by the Trowulan Museum'a controversial development of "Majapahit Information Center", the new building took form of Majapahit sun emblem but unfortunately destroyed some of Trowulan site. (Gunkarta (talk) 12:11, 3 January 2010 (UTC))

Gunkarta

go to Talk:Indonesia--Sweetmistery (talk) 06:25, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

(since blocked as sock SatuSuro 00:34, 19 January 2010 (UTC))

Stub

Maritime museum is no longer a stub - why did you put the tag on a start article? SatuSuro 00:34, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry... go ahead remove it (Gunkarta (talk) 08:40, 19 January 2010 (UTC)).

Done - Please please make an effort to get more WP:RS when starting stubs - the trowulan museum is an exceptionally important place - please try more than just one web ref. SatuSuro 10:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I know.., sometimes I can be such a lazy bum... Neway.. Matur Nuwun... thank you very much for your effort expanding and providing references on Trowulan Museum... Greatly appreciated! =) (Gunkarta (talk) 11:00, 19 January 2010 (UTC)).

Tak apa apa - jangan kwatir - saya suka mencari kata kata tentang hal itu :) nuwun SatuSuro 11:38, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

National Museum (Indonesia)

Hi Gunkarta. You add lots of info for National Museum (Indonesia) but you forgot to put the reference for it. Can you put a reference so that it will become a good article. Thanks! I moved the travel information to the discussion page, because it sounds to touristy and less encyclopedish. --Rochelimit (talk) 16:00, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay I'll try to put some references...(Gunkarta (talk) 15:24, 28 February 2010 (UTC)).

Please

When going to that effort of creating new articles at least put the indonesian and biography tags on the talk page -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayanegara it shows up as a dumbo on alexbot - and is less likely to be defended by the project in general if issues arise and if the tags are not put in....

DYK for Pustakasala

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Thank you. (Gunkarta (talk) 15:23, 28 February 2010 (UTC)).

Hyang

Sources please :( SatuSuro 06:00, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I admit much of the knowledge of the subject "hyang" is based on commons native knowledge and linguistical link "hyang" in Kawi, Javanese, Sundanese, and Balinese language. Literatures concerning native animism and early Hinduism of Indonesia explaining the "hyang" concept is rare. Yet I found it is the important part of ancient Indonesian "religion" and belief systems. I will try to provide sources, as soon as possible. (Gunkarta (talk) 10:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC))

That is very close to WP:OR and that is not a very good space to be in - kalau bisa mencari satu atau dua WP:RS all is saved :) mohon maaf saya menganngu tentang ini :|SatuSuro 11:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

One small problem is - it is also a korean word - so some search engines are a pointless effort SatuSuro 13:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah... I had encounter that Korean name too. I'll try to find old books on Sundanese culture. Hope some reference on hyang will come up (Gunkarta (talk) 13:42, 3 May 2010 (UTC)).

OK - have found two interesting links Dang_Hyang_Nirartha and [[1]] - will let you know of more as i find them - - please feel free to use in any way see fit - kalau cocok - baik SatuSuro 13:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

http://www.planetmole.org/daily/batara-guru-and-the-world-of-gods-java-indonesia.html another SatuSuro 13:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

3RR Violation

You are in violation of WP:3RR. This can lead to your account being temporarily blocked. Please restore the previous version of the article Manila or I will consider reporting you for said violation. Lambanog (talk) 16:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

You are the one that started the reverting battle, and now framed me? That's dirty (Gunkarta (talk) 16:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)).

article enhancements

yr welcome. great contribution. try to catch that book by kawilarang. must be available in jakarta bookshops. kind regards, KARL --KARL RAN (talk) 02:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Art Deco

Thank you for structuring the examples by their geographic location. The section had formerly grown into a wall of text which is now much easier to read. --MikeZ (talk) 20:10, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Keong Emas

Hello Gunkarta, and thanks for this interesting article. Please, could you cite your sources? Thank you. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 14:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

I'll try to find it. You're welcome.., and thank you for your kind attention (Gunkarta (talk) 14:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)).

Garuda Indonesia Destinations

Mas Gunkarta, salam kenal. Garuda Indonesia saat ini secara FISIK tidak menerbangi rute ke Saigon (Ho Chi Minh city), Vietnam. Garuda hanya codeshare dengan Vietnam airlines. Memang benar di website Garuda ada tujuan ke Saigon, tapi kalau anda mencoba untuk book dan lihat schedule, jelas tertulis operating partnernya Vietnam Airlines. Jadi menurut saya yang namanya destination adalah kota dimana Garuda secara fisik menerbangi ke kota tersebut, jadi Garuda saat ini tidak menerbangi Saigon. Harap dicek kembali, terima kasih. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkurniawan (talk • contribs) 02:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Oke.. terima kasih atas edit anda...(Gunkarta (talk) 10:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)).

Mas Gunkarta, kalau boleh saya tanya, gimana sih cara buat route map seperti Garuda Indonesia destination map. Pakai software apa ya? Dan dapet plain map nya darimana, apakah mas Gunkarta punya template mapnya yang kosong, belom ada routenya? Hubungi saya di helmikurniawan@gmail.com. Kalo mas Gunkarta tertarik dengan perkembangan Garuda, bisa berkunjung ke indoflyer.net. Terima Kasih.(Hkurniawan (talk) 17:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)).

Saya memang bekerja sebagai desainer Infographic di suatu media massa di Indonesia, jadi saya sudah punya (sudah buat) banyak template peta Indonesia dan dunia. Saya pakai program komputer vector graphic Adobe Illustrator CS2. Sebenarnya peta Garuda Indonesia (dan banyak peta sejarah dan kerajaan-kerajaan) yang telah saya buat adalah dalam format SVG, jadi bisa dibuka dan edit dengan berbagai program grafik vektor. Sama-sama... (Gunkarta (talk) 16:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)).

Proposed deletion of Malay folklore

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Please delete it, I was meant to create Category:Malay folklore, not Page Malay Folklore (Gunkarta (talk) 11:53, 12 July 2010 (UTC)).

Already exists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malays_(ethnic_group)#Culture - is where malay folklore needs to be added - not as a separate stub unless you can expand it substantially with a large bibliography - cheers SatuSuro 10:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes please delete it, it was accidentally created (silly me) when I was tried to create Category:Malay folklore (Gunkarta (talk) 11:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)).

Pura

Thank you for creating the Pura (Balinese temple) article! I have gone through and made some English language tweaks. It's great to see so much information in a brand new article. It also makes me want to go back to Bali :-) Cheers, -- Earle [^t/_c] 22:13, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad you like it. Thank you for your english grammar edits, the article is more pleasant to read now. (^_^) (Gunkarta (talk) 15:46, 20 July 2010 (UTC))

Balinese Hinduism

Hello Gunkarta. I saw your contributions to the Hinduism in Indonesia page. I am currently working on a research paper for Graduate school that will be looking into Balinese Hinduism. Do you know of any good resrouces (books, online, whatever)? The only problem is that I can only read English! I would appreciate any help I can get. Thanks! Jameslunderwood (talk) 16:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)jameslunderwood

Only english..? well that's a problem. Most of Balinese religious scripts or Hindu Balinese education textbooks is provided by "Dinas Pendidikan Provinsi Bali" (the Education Council of Bali province government), unfortunately it usually only available in Bali and most them are written in Indonesian or even Balinese language. Most of Bali travel and tourism books often provides a glimpse of Balinese Hindu ceremonies, traditions and festivals; yet it lacks of depth of the subjects and lack of authority to explain religious concept. One of the most comprehensive and authorized Balinese Hinduism online source is the authoritative Parisada Hindu Dharma Indonesia and to lesser extent Babad Bali.com. Parisada Hindu Dharma Indonesia is the most authoritative Hindu Balinese Council in today Indonesia, however (unfortunately) the site also written in Indonesian language. Hope that help. (Gunkarta (talk) 12:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)).

Gunkarta, thanks for the information. I will look into some of the travel literature at least. And I will try Google Translate on thaose Bali and Indonesian sites. I greatly appreciate your help. Much thanks. Jameslunderwood (talk) 17:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)jameslunderwood

DYK

Hello! Your submission of Pura (Balinese temple) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! --Esprit15d • talk • contribs 18:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Sunda Kingdom

If there isnt an article that has the details - there should be text in the main part of the new category (ie something like the Sundanese Kingdom existed between xxxx and xxxx ) - as there have been some marvellous inventions about Sundanese history and culture over time on WP en - you might help by putting dates - and an aka - Sundanese Kingdom - reads better in english.. cheers SatuSuro 13:54, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Well.., I reluctant to call them as "inventions", probably more as new "interpretations". It has to be supported by references (inscriptions, manuscripts, or interpretation by historians such as Pleyte, Soekmono or Ayatrohaedi) to be reliable and presentable. The problem with the word "Sunda" is there is actually a kingdom named "Prahajyan Sunda" (Kingdom of Sunda) (as mentioned in Sanghyang Tapak inscription, and Sunda later become the name of Sundanese ethnics group. In Javanese counterpart, never actually a kingdom named "Java Kingdom", Java always associated with Java island or Javanese people. Javanese Kingdom could be Medang, Kediri (historical kingdom), Singhasari, Majapahit, or even Mataram Sultanate. If you refer to "Sundanese Kingdom" (kingdom of Sundanese people), it may also cover Tarumanagara and Galuh as well, to some extent also may include Banten and Cirebon sultanate. While Sunda actually originated as "Sundapura" the name of the palace or capital in Tarumanagara era, later after the decline of Tarumanagara, it become the name of the kingdom on west bank of Citarum river while the east bank of Citarum river is identify as Galuh (read Tarumanagara and Sunda Kingdom for detail). Later both twin kingdoms (Sunda and Galuh) is unified and identified as single entity Sunda kingdom. I would like to identify Sunda kingdom as post Tarumanagara kingdom in Western Java, and pre-Banten and Cirebon Sultanate. I would like to separate and differ the term "Sunda kingdom" and "Sundanese kingdom" (Gunkarta (talk) 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)).

DYK for Wonoboyo hoard

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm honored.(Gunkarta (talk) 12:29, 2 August 2010 (UTC)).

I just want to congratulate you for all of your hard work related to Indonesian archaeology and folklore. You are exactly the sort of specialist that wikipedia needs everywhere on different subjects. It greatly helps eliminate systematic bias by improving coverage archaeology and museums in Indonesia. This is the strength of wikipedia in that it attacts scholars form alla round the world such as yourself to provide their expertise. I find you work very interesting. Kepe up the great work my friend. I live in Wales (but I've done a fair bit of work on Indonesia... Dr. Blofeld - 15:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC) 13:45, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I really love (well, addicted actually...,) contributing for wikipedia. It's really entertain my "inner-geek" (ehm.., inner-scholar). My pleasure, it is really nice to meet your acquaintance, fellow passionate scholars like you. Btw, I'm an infographic artist working in Indonesian media in Jakarta. Thank you for your coverages, edits, and contributions on Indonesian related articles, greatly appreciated (Gunkarta (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2010 (UTC)).

Javanese Mythology

I've created some new stubs on Javanese mythology which I hope you can expand. These are: Babi ngepet, Batara Sambu, Calon Arang, Sundel Bolong, Wewe Gombel. Dr. Blofeld - 15:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC) 14:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay..., I'll check them out and try to expand it later. I find it curious that you, a European interested in such spooky black magic Indonesian demonology. The (credible) references books of such subjects is quite rare here, most are those superstitious loaded materials (Gunkarta (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2010 (UTC)).

I see! Thanks. Actually I examined your edits and I spotted you editing articles related to Javanese mythology, so I thought I'd transwiki a few to help you out. The evil spirit articles were created purely by chance, maybe some people were afraid to create them! Asian horror is often a terrifying subject. I'v seen some of the Thai horror films for instance. Keep up the great work! Dr. Blofeld - 15:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC) 16:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps Warak and Mantyasih Inscription are less scary for you. Dr. Blofeld - 15:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC) 19:36, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

The answer to you both is that there are reliable english sources for the ethnographic descirption of these beliefs (and 'beasties') from the dutch era, and from early indonesia area - by such writers as koentjaraningrat 'Javanese culture' and a range of other written (as opposed to web based material) source - and having done fieldwork in central java - I also have a very large bibliograpghy (somewhere) of the all the javanese language materials from about 30 to 40 years ago on these items - but I aint gonna be able to uncover them in the short term - probably the most useful item if you are able to access high quality libraries with good materials - would be NANCY K. FLORIDA, Javanese literature in Surakarta manuscripts; Volume 2; Manuscripts of the Mangku- nagaran palace - as the Mn library has a brilliant selection of the tales - but it is a tortuous trail to find the good indexes/lists of the articles, and even more difficult to find the relevant articles - but they do exist - I have about 150 somewhere - but not accessible for a long time - sorry SatuSuro 10:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Motto

Dear Gunkarta,

You have just deleted a change I had introduced regarding the language status of the Indonesian motto. I am not an Indonesian native speaker, not even very good at it and, as far as Javanese is concerned I can only say "ngomong jowo", what happens to be entirely to be wrong. Looking at the WP article on Indonesia, I was surprised to see the motto presented as Javanese: it is well known that Javanese and Dutch were rejected as a possible national language in the 1920's and as Indonesia does not consider itself a colonial empire ruled by Java Island... Actually I am a native French speaker. So I checked in my Indonesian-French dictionnary (Labrousse) and did not find there any hint of a possible Javanese origin of "Bhinneka tunggal ika": - the three words together are displayed as a single entry, explained as the Indonesian national motto and translated; - bhinneka and ika are presented each separately, translated and said to be borrowed from Sanskrit; - tunggal is translated without any etymological details (what means that it is not borrowed from Sanskrit, Sundanese, Javanese, Arabic, Dutch... and is a pure Malayo-Polynesian words. Therefore it is difficult for me to consider that my change was entirely wrong. As you seem to be proficient in Javanese culture, it is difficult for me to fancy that I can be right against you. The only solution may be that the tunnggal in Indonesian translates as tunggal in Javanese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.90.17.7 (talk) 10:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

First of all Old Javanese (Kawi language) is quite different than modern Javanese language, yet bears soo much similarity and resemblences. Yes, Kawi borrowed much of its vocabulary from Sanskirt, but the remnat of Austronesian language vocabularies still can be found. Yet to state Bhinneka Tunggal Ika as purely sanskirt origin is truly false. Read the article Bhinneka Tunggal Ika for details. Bhinneka: Varied, Tunggal: One, Ika: That. (Gunkarta (talk) 10:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)).

Thank you for your answering quickly. However your answer does not absolutely match myassumptions, for I never pretended the motto being borrowed from Sanskit, but being Indonesian and using three Indonesian words out of which bhinneka and ika are borrowed from Sanskrit and tunggal is Austronesian. My question was: is the word "tunggal" the same in Kawi and in Indonesian?
If I combine the piece of information from my dictionnary and the quotation of the old poem in the article Bhinneka tunggal ika, the answer seems to be yes. But is it politically wise to emphasize the Javanese origin of the motto?

Indonesia

Hi, I've looked through the site you posted on trading voyages to Africa prior to 100 CE and can't find any direct reference to this. It's a rather large site, however, so if I've missed it, please let me know. Thanks. Fell Gleaming^talk 11:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I've find another sources that mentioned Austronesian speaking people from Indonesia reached and colonize Madagascar and East Africa between 2000 to 1500 years ago. History of Madagascar Lonely Planet.com

Wow

You've been bussy! Keep it up, my friend. Karl --KARL RAN (talk) 19:19, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Cheers...! :) (Gunkarta (talk) 20:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)).

Prambanan Plain

Having lived next to Sambisari - I do not think it belongs and bordering the Kedu Plain on northwest - either that needs a damned good reference... I would disagree - Merapi slopes and other things get in the way

- also the order of sites - ??? - not alpha - not anything -for the article to look better it needs some obvious reason for the order of the sites - alpha - by location or something... SatuSuro 00:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Ive criss-crossed this terrain by walking or in motorbike, and visited all the temples in the map I've created about Prambanan Plain. sama sama - tetapi banyak tahun lalu - i.e. - same here - I wish I had taken more photos, but those days were before digital photography!!! - I am sure we will end up with a good article SatuSuro 10:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Picture of the Week

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Sumatran ethnic groups

In this image: [2] I believe you have the Toba and Angkola the wrong way round. Is Padang marked a different colour for some reason? Minangkabau there, right? Sumbuddi (talk) 18:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, there are definitely sub-divisions of Indonesian ethnic groups, but there is no 'suku Padang', for sure. Maybe it's just supposed to be the city of Padang, but I don't see why they don't mark other major cities too.Sumbuddi (talk) 19:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The 'Batak' label is better now, but it doesn't enter Simalungun or Mandailing. Maybe you could make it 'Batak Peoples', or perhaps mark the border of 'tanah Batak' with a black line. Also I think approximately the northwest corner of the area marked 'Rejang' should be Kerinci, extending into part of the area marked 'Jambi' (this should be mostly Malay - no 'suku Jambi'). Not sure about any 'Palembang' or 'Riau' people either.Sumbuddi (talk) 23:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Merapi

Maybe time imemorial is not encyclopediac! - I do think you need a ref for that - it might seem obvious to you  :) SatuSuro 13:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC) Put some refs in - mohon maaf - at least they are Indonesian :| SatuSuro 13:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

maaf sekali - they are very old - like me :( - when I lived in Yogya 1995/1996 Plawangan was becoming dangerous to visit - do you know whether they know which directions the current uitbarsting (bahasa belanda), is flowing? the pictures in Australian media suggest the usual south west route SatuSuro 13:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey mas! belum belum - kalau lihat http://toolserver.org/~enwp10/bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&projecta=Indonesia&importance=Unknown-Class&quality=Unassessed-Class masih ada terlalu banyak artikel belum siap untuk dapat barnstar ... SatuSuro 13:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Umbulharjo is up higher than Kaliurang from memory - sad news

• http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11634824
• http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/mount-merapi-slays-its-mystic-keeper/story-e6frg6so-1225944401620 SatuSuro 15:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Temples - Candi

I've opened up a discussion on these articles at SS's page. Here. It would be good to hear your thoughts on his page. Let me know if I'm not clear. --Merbabu (talk) 12:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Sumatra

You made this addition to Sumatra http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sumatra&diff=298607335&oldid=298322977 - could I ask if you have a source for this? I must confess to having doubts, as Haji is a Moslem title given to a successful pilgrim to Mecca - not a king, but the article states that the monarchy didn't convert till the 13th C. The name of Haji Sumatrabhuji is tagged as needing citation - one by me just now before I looked back through the history, and the other possibly by XoXo. I can only find this name in copy&pastes and mirrors of the article. Probably you know something we don't. Cheers. Peridon (talk) 20:12, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Obviously you do know something we didn't... Thanks for that. My involvement with this stems from a question elsewhere - where someone quoted the article to try to show that Sumatra was named after King thingy. I reckoned it was the other way. (Turns out the people reckon the answer to the question is Victoria Island anyway.) Thanks for the clarification and the ref. Peridon (talk) 20:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

helo

kau mau nafikan lagi? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shah 88 (talk • contribs) 17:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

(Duh.., orang ini tak kenal etika dan sopan santun...) (Gunkarta (talk) 18:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)).

Hahahaha.. I'm with you Gunkarta =)

Mudah mudahan/It is hoped

That you can read and understand WP:3RR very carefully - the edit history at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2010_AFF_Suzuki_Cup&action=history - means someone is being - bodoh - in the end it could be either of you - when you sense an edit war like this - it is much better to try for help/intervention - just like they used to say to me eating alone? (sendirian pak?) was not the norm - edit warring is not the norm - try for 3rd party help/intervention/ go to a noticeboard or walk away - cheers SatuSuro 02:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Please - if it happens again - that is repeated reverts - stop at 2!!! - dont repeat the revert - terus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AN/EW

WP:PA or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks - is not allowed - if anyone tries that again - terus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts SatuSuro 12:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

mongo mas - I always understand the best way to resolve the more irritating potential edit wars is to - walk away - you dont feed the trollish behaviours of others - and they cannot get to you - bit like the famous javanese smile and silence I used to get from some bureaucrats when I lived in yogya - nothing done - cannot be tackled - brilliant tactic if you have the control of your own annoyance :) SatuSuro 13:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

fixed

The article has been protected - usually there is an admin around who can help - cheers SatuSuro 22:58, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't respond. and admin will clean it up. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 13:17, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I put up an WP:ANI case. --Merbabu (talk) 13:46, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, I knew I always can count on you. (Gunkarta (talk) 17:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)).

please add the picture in Jakarta page

please add the cityscape of Jakarta in the Jakarta's page........--Mikael07 (talk) 13:40, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mikael - you're back? And asking other people to do edits for you? --Merbabu (talk) 13:46, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Shah 88

I removed the image you put here. While I agree with the sentiment of not feeding trolls, to slap such an image on someone else's user page seems completely contradictory! He's quiet at the moment, no need to poke him. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 11:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

At first I meant it as a warning sign for everyone else that this user is a pure troll, then again I can understand and agree with your reason, thank you...(Gunkarta (talk) 11:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)).

Thanks, I'm glad you understand my point of view! Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 11:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

hey gunkarta

you have created the top picture of Jakarta as seen below, as you are better in editing picture, i want you to edit it for once again. in comparison to Manila and Bangkok top picture, Jakarta's top picture is far behind, i don't say it's ugly but maybe you can try to put other good looking pictures in it, i depend on you, thanks before, salam

Jakarta top pciture

Manila top pciture

File:Bangkok City Montage.png

Bangkok Top Picture

--Mikael07 (talk) 11:30, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

IMO the Jakarta top picture is okay, maybe adding another good picture will help, but I think Bangkok and Manila picts have way too many images, and I think it's too much and unpleasant to the eyes. (Gunkarta (talk) 11:37, 29 January 2011 (UTC))

thanks, yours is far better now, thanks a lot.--Mikael07 (talk) 04:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Indon

I initially replied on my talk page re Indon - but it's now been nominated for speedy deletion. I'd suggest not brining it up with the other editor - ie, don't tell him! cheers --Merbabu (talk) 20:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Calvin Leung Pang-Yun

Hello there! Are you from Indonesia too? Regarding your last message, I just want to let you know that I don't have any problems with Native Indonesians at all. In fact, as you can see, I've developed the Native Indonesian article so much. Once again, please let me know if you encounter any misunderstanding. I've corrected the article Huanna too =) Peace out. --Calvin Leung Pang-Yun (talk) Seattle, February 2011 (Pacific Time) —Preceding undated comment added 03:40, 8 February 2011 (UTC).

Opportunity to comment on Batavia

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Indonesia football help

Hi. I remembered you were contributing to the 2010 AFF Suzuki Cup article so I thought you could help with an Indonesian football related issue. Jason de Jong was on trials with Sriwijaya, and Filipino news sources claimed he already signed with them and I also put in the article that he signed for them. But apparently he wasn't able to get a contract and I would like to re-edit the article but I'm having a bit of a tough time due to the language of the sources, even with translations. All from the Sriwijaya Post: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. If you reply, just reply here. Thanks! Banana Fingers (talk) 14:30, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Mainly the articles number 1, 2, and 3 of Sriwijaya post tell the optimism that Sriwijaya FC will sign Jason. However in article no. 4 after the tryout the coach Kolev personally express his dislike to de Jong, I don't know what is it precisely about, only the coach express his dissapointment and Sriwijaya FC need a better quality foreign players (probabaly the quality is similar to Indonesian local players, so it is too expensive/not worth it to sign these players). The last articles mentioned that Kolev send home all four tryout foreign players: de Jong and other three Korean players. So I think Jason failed to have Sriwijaya FC contract. (Gunkarta (talk) 15:38, 21 February 2011 (UTC))

Thanks! Just another question, for the first article, what does it say about the player, a Chinese player Mu Yong Jie. Because the other articles talk about three other players but they're all Koreans. Banana Fingers (talk) 15:58, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The first article stated that if Sriwijaya FC sign Jason de Jong and he agree with the contract, it is possible that he will replace Mu Yong Jie (Mu Yong Jie currently signed for Sriwijaya FC, if another foreign player were signed, Mu's contract will not be extended). Since all foreign tryout players are rejected by Kolev, I think Mu keep his position for a while. (Gunkarta (talk) 16:07, 21 February 2011 (UTC)).

I see. Thanks a lot for the clarification. Banana Fingers (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

gunkarta...

hei gunkarta apa kabar?, punya facebook ngga'?--Mikael07 (talk) 10:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey Mikael - katanya kamu dari Amerika Selatan? Oh, i forgot, kamu bohong, 'kan? --Merbabu (talk) 11:05, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

bisa minta akun nya ngga'??. merbabu, i indeed stayed in buenos aires for one year in 2009, why?--Mikael07 (talk) 09:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)