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Interface administrator permission request: Nihiltres

Nihiltres (t · th · c · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^{(acc · ap · ev · fm · mms · npr · pm · pc · rb · te)}

Hi, I'd like to request the interface administrator permission, on a permanent basis. I have some history of editing MediaWiki-space CSS and JS pages, but can no longer edit those pages without this additional permission. In particular, I'd like the ability to edit MediaWiki:Gadget-metadata.js and associated pages, to make it easier to maintain that gadget. I also regularly do template work on widely-transcluded templates, where the permission is occasionally useful. For example, I'm thinking of renaming some classes used by {{importance}}, and it'd be nice to proactively unbreak ~40 user CSS pages that would be affected if I made such edits. As a bonus, I'd also like to make a habit of reviewing interface edit requests if given the permission.

I've been an administrator since 2007, I'm using 2FA on my account, and I believe I'm reasonably well-trusted and have a good understanding of CSS and JavaScript. Hopefully this is an easy request. Thanks, {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 20:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Nihiltres, per Wikipedia:Interface_administrators#Process_for_requesting that starts a 48 hour hour process just in case anyone has concerns. But you've given a rationale and committed to 2FA, so unless someone speaks up before 20:49 on the 16th I or I suspect the first crat to check this board after that time can flip that bit. ϢereSpielChequers 21:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Nihiltres has made some irresponsible edits to high use templates, which resulted in broken markup appearing in a lot of pages. They do not have the competence necessary to edit sitewide css and js pages. 2409:4071:4D99:B70E:0:0:4388:9C06 (talk) 16:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

  — xaosflux ^Talk 16:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

  See this and the next few edits. 2405:204:529B:A4C0:0:0:F04:18A5 (talk) 16:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

  I acknowledge that that set of edits was overly bold; I made a mistake. On the other hand, I don't think that the few mistakes I've made collectively rise to a pattern of negligence. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 18:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

  I'm unconvinced of the one error being a pattern of being unreliable with this perm - although I appreciate this did have a wide effect. Is there any discussions or additional items where there has been any community issues raised with this user having this permission? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:41, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

  Agree, an incident from last year doesn't seem like an a redline here. I think that Nihiltres will exert more restraint on pages the larger they are - there is a huge difference between gadget-metadata.js' impact potential and common.js' - and trust he will use appropriate judgement (... less we hang him from the village stocks!). — xaosflux ^Talk 21:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

  Not to mention that Nihiltres cleaned up the error (albeit in a few different steps). I know I've muddled my way through a few things like that. Sometimes it's hard to determine exactly how wide-reaching something may be. Regardless of any of that, people make mistakes, and there doesn't seem to be a pattern of them or anything that indicates the mistakes are rising to abusive levels. I suspect the IP knows that, and that's why they chose to remain anonymous. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

• FWIW, I don't think the policy actually gives bureaucrats the ability to decline to grant the right. There's a comment period, but the policy is ambiguous and while it says the final decision rests with the bureaucrat, there's no mention of any requirement beyond requesting with a rationale. If there was an obvious community consensus against it, or someone pointed out something that the caused the admin requesting to withdraw, the waiting period would serve its effect. If you actually read the proposal that limited it to admins (see here) it was a weak consensus without any actual agreement on anything beyond the requirement that someone be an admin and there be a waiting period. In other words, the community wanted a wait for comment, but didn't give crats discretion to refuse in the actual RfC. Add to that the policy wording is ambiguous and I don't *think* we've had a request turned down. In other words, unless there's unambiguous community consensus against this or the request is withdrawn, I don't really see crats having a choice. Probably doesn't matter here, but since is the first time I've ever seen opposition to it, worth bringing up in case anyone wants to clarify the policy. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:31, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Meh, screw it, put together the wording to clarify this at Wikipedia_talk:Interface_administrators#Clarify_the_right_can_be_refused. Don't think we've had an actual oppose before, so this is one of the only times its come up... TonyBallioni (talk) 00:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) @TonyBallioni the policy, born from this RfC does say that the final decision rests with the reviewing bureaucrat, the closing of the RfC you linked to doesn't clearly override that. And of course, we could all just refuse to process the request - but that would be a bit inane. So what actually happens? Requests from admins are mostly considered "shall issue". If any significant concerns were raised and the applicant didn't accept them, I'd expect we would defer to a community consensus determining discussion. — xaosflux ^Talk 00:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

  Yah, I agree that's what clearly should happen, put together some wording to clarify that. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

•  Done, with all the caveats and addendums of "being cautious" etc. Primefac (talk) 06:31, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Welcome Lee Vilenski

Oh, and here's your shirt. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Lee Vilenski, welcome to the 'crat team following your successful RfB. As a former janitor, you are already familiar with the executive washroom. — xaosflux ^Talk 16:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

I'll show myself about. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:42, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

You're expected to make the tea and do the washing up. There may be some rubber gloves in the lower cupboard. SilkTork (talk) 01:37, 16 June 2022 (UTC)