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Citation has been added to draft:Ceno (rapper) so kindly move it to article space. Gfxseries (talk) 18:28, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

That's not how this works, go back and resubmit it through the Article Creation process. I'll say though that it appears that all the "citations" you added are just to discography-type pages, apple.com, etc... That's not gonna cut it. ValarianB (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Gfxseries. That draft in its current form has zero chance of being accepted. The references are pretty much worthless. Please read and study Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

STATUS: Declined, then Rejected, and miscellany-nominated for deletion. Paid editors are expected to demonstrate competence. The draft has no reliable source references. David notMD (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

"... identifying with the blue side of the spectrum crisp." I just don't understand the kids' lingo these days. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 03:10, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

User:David notMD and others: Volunteer editors are also expected to demonstrate competence, and usually do. It is surprising how often paid editors, who should be demonstrating their competence to their clients, demonstrate to the volunteer community that they don't know what they are doing. Maybe there should be a lesson for their clients that they would be better off to spend their money on improving a corporate web site, which they control, than on trying to pay for Wikipedia listings. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:06, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Alternative article source link

I want to add a pdf link to a source but I already have a URL. Is there a way to add a second URL? ScientistBuilder (talk) 20:18, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Can you be more specific? What kind of url do you have now? Ruslik_Zero 20:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder I thought that PDFs are generally not considered to be reliable, published, verifiable sources. Are you using a PDF as a source? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 03:19, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

It depends entirely on who has published them and where. A PDF is just a medium, like paper, or websites. Some of these are published by organisations with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking. Some are published by some random guy who wants to say something. Most are somewhere in between.

A PDF found on the website of a reputable newspaper is probably a reliable source (which may or may not be independent of the subject). If somebody sends you a copy of that PDF, it cannot be used as a reliable source. If somebody uploads the PDF to their own website or Dropbox, it is not a reliable source (and may be a copyright violation). But if somebody sends you the original URL of that PDF on the publisher's website, it probably is a reliable source. ColinFine (talk) 16:55, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Roblox Games not having an article.

I searched up Roblox on Wikipedia and it shows some description. When I looked at the templates, there is an article about "Adopt Me!" Seeming, it is an only article about an Roblox game. But for some reason, there aren't articles about other Roblox games. That includes Work at the Pizza Place, Welcome to Bloxburg, Speed Run, and Zombie Rush, even they are played by tons of users. Since this game has a huge fanbase and popularity, why not create articles about each Roblox game. That would inform readers about the content and the gameplay. Just like other console games, Roblox is about new information and I think there should be a list about each game created. Can you explain why Roblox games don't have an article except Adopt Me? Thank you for answering my question and my curiosity. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:CD77:605F:EFF3:6FE9 (talk) 00:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user and welcome to the teahouse! popularity isn't the reason why games (or anything for that matter) get an article. articles are created only if they have significant coverage in reliable sources| such as news articles, which Adopt Me! has had. if you could find these sources and establish their notability, an article could be created. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:09, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Why many Roblox Games except for Adopt Me, do not have a significant coverage in reliable sources| such as news articles? Why popularity does not determine notability in Roblox Games? Any further information? 2601:205:C001:EA0:CD77:605F:EFF3:6FE9 (talk) 01:16, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Adopt Me Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Work at the Pizza Place Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

let's use these as an example. click the News link from here for each of them, which would be the most relevant one to use here (searching for books and scholar would be more appropriate for scholarly/scientific topics). Adopt Me! has gotten some coverage documenting its life and development, while Work at the Pizza Place seems to only be covered in sources documenting opinions on what the best Roblox games are (plural), which isn't enough to establish notability.

additionally, something can be popular but not have enough reliable sources to build an article with, which are required in an article. plus popularity is also a very subjective and thoughts on whether something is popular (especially on a global scale) may vary from person to person. so instead of dealing with whether something is popular or not, we deal with whether something has enough sources to back up its existence and whatever is said in the article. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Explain that while Wikipedia is about reliable sources, why popularity is also a very subjective that may vary from person to person? Does merchandise count as a notability since there are real-life toys about Roblox? -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:CD77:605F:EFF3:6FE9 (talk) 01:43, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! You may be interested in reading Wikipedia:Notability (video games) to learn about the types of independent reliable sources Wikipedia requires for an article about a video game. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:25, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for giving me new information! 2601:205:C001:EA0:CD77:605F:EFF3:6FE9 (talk) 02:34, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't know whether you noticed this, but there are brief descriptions of various games at List of Roblox games. Deor (talk) 11:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok, I didn't see, but what about additional games that are added to this list of Roblox games? 2601:205:C001:EA0:FD7B:9157:D214:9AF5 (talk) 07:46, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

How to add the text on image

Hi, I am new to wikipedia, i am writing a biography and I would like to know how do i add that text on an image -

name

age

website

credentials

Thank You Nomonde Danisa (talk) 23:53, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, you might need to visit Articles for Creation help desk for assistance. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:C88F:FB3C:BF32:6730 (talk) 00:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Nomonde Danisa. I see that you have submitted a draft. It looks as though you figured out how to add text to an image frame in the end. AFC editors will likely have some feedback for you on this submission - namely the neutrality and objectivity of the article. If you have any conflict of interest with this subject, or if you have received any payment for its creation, please disclose these? Thanks. MaxnaCarta (talk) 00:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Nomonde Danisa. In addition, to what's been already posted above, there's an issue with one of the images you uploaded to Commons that you're going to need to resolve if you want to avoid the file being deleted. You can find out more about this by checking your Commons' user talk page. Bascially, you're going to need to provide some way for formally verifying that the image uploaded has been released as licensed since the website hosting the image is claiming copyright ownership over the content appearing on it.

Another thing that you can help clarify is whether you're connected personally or professionally to Vanessa Farsadaki (the person you're trying to create an article about). If, by chance, you're connected to her in someway, you should take a close look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure to assess whether either page applies to your particular situation. Being connected to Farsadaki in some way doesn't mean a Wikipedia article about her can be created; it does, however, mean that you're going to need to carefully follow relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines if you're going to be the one trying to create the article. It's very important that you're as transparent as possible regarding any connection or relationship you may have with Farsadaki. Since Wikipedia is a collaborative editing project in which are participants are volunteers, experienced users are sometimes more willing to help others when they feel they're not being being misled or otherwise deceived. So, being transparent about any connection you may have will not only help you avoid problems, but it will also make it easier for others to want to help you if you do run into problems. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:09, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

...anyway, regarding your question it seems like you may be looking for infoboxes, in your case {{infobox doctor}}. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:46, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

@Nomonde Danisa For the image, in plainer language, you are claiming that you took the picture. Did you take that picture yourself, with your own camera? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:14, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

And remove all of the external links from the article text. - X201 (talk) 10:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Big Clean Up

Hi,

I was wondering where I should go to get more professional help a cleaning up a really messed up article that hasn’t been touched since 2013 (it”s written like WikiHow :/ ). The article in question is “new business developments”, which is written more like a guide or personal essay than an encyclopedic documentation… thanks.

Tschau, Dwightol102 (talk) 03:35, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Here is the link: New business development. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:51, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

@Dwightol102 - for starters, the first two sentences are a direct copyvio from [1]. This thing is probably a candidate for outright deletion. Dr. Duh 🩺 (talk) 07:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

@Dwightol102@Doctor Duh I have just cleared the Talk page for violating WP:NOTFORUM. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Either delete (it doesn’t seem like an article someone would actually need; they could use dictionary.com or whatever to find it out) or if you think it’s completely necessary so Wikipedia doesn’t crumple to ashes like so many football stadiums someone can rewrite it…

Hmph, Dwightol102 (talk) 03:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

How to unprotect a protected page

Hi, I am looking to unprotect the following page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgen_Software which has been protected due to promotional content. I wish to write content from a neutral perspective, backed by references. Please unlock the following page I have also submitted the request https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Decrease

Regards Neeshu30 (talk) 06:21, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

hi @Neeshu30 and welcome to the teahouse! you seem to have found the appropriate place for article unprotection, and an admin would be there shortly (or whenever they are free) to determine if the article should be unprotected. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 06:32, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

@Neeshu30 It's not actually a "protected page"; the page was deleted, and the page name was "salted" (the name was protected) to prevent an article by that name being recreated, in April 2021 (if I am reading the page log correctly). 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:20, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

The next step is to contact the Admin who deleted/salted the draft. David notMD (talk) 09:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Delete my Draft

Hi, I want to delete a draft that couldnt pass the approval to be on the mainspace. How can I do it? Any piece of advice? SDC3021 (talk) 07:24, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @SDC3021, welcome to the teahouse. I've tagged it for speed deletion under WP:G7, it should be deleted shortly.Justiyaya 07:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

whoops sorry, I didn't check the edit history. Since you are not the only contributor to the draft, it is not elegable for author requested deletion. However, it will be deleted in 6 months (if noone edits it). Justiyaya 07:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I see. So after six months it will be deleted automatically or do I need to request again? Thank you SDC3021 (talk) 01:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@SDC3021: What normally happens is that a semi-automated message will be sent to editors who have worked on the article (though I don't know if the messengers choose all the editors or just the primary ones who've contributed the most) at the 5-month inactivity mark warning them that the draft will be deleted soon. After that the draft will be deleted once it hits the six-month mark with no activity. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Writing about emerging artists

I am writing about emerging artists who have done pretty well in their fields. any suggestions! Anuaurora (talk) 09:20, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

@Anuaurora, welcome to the Teahouse! A few points.

Writing a WP-article that "sticks" without any previous WP-experience is hard. Consider just editing some topics that interest you for a while, and check WP:TUTORIAL. Learning how to add references properly is essential, especially if you write about living people, WP has rules about these things. As an example, Oscar Ukonu is an article I wrote. It's pretty basic, but not glaringly WP-awful. Note how sources are used, depending on what they are and say. Your task as a Wikipedian is not to sell your subject, it is to summarize what independent sources (WP:RS) say.

If you have a subject in mind, check WP:BASIC. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:BLP and WP:YFA. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Anuaurora If you mean visial or performing contemporary artists, then List of contemporary artists has plenty of examples of articles. David notMD (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

@Anuaurora It's a fine line--if an artist is too emerging, it will be harder to find reliable, independent coverage that shows how they are notable. But it's possible. Good luck. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 07:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Unsure what to do about addition to a biographical page

Hello, I am unsure what to do about a recent edit to Samia Suluhu Hassan (leader of Tanzania). It is the last edit, you can read it at the end of the Political reforms and unity section. Its only citation is a literal URL posted as a paragraph rather than a ref. It also lacks any apparent attempt at neutrality and looks to me like agenda editing. As I understand this is bad for biographical pages?

A further question, how do non-developed countries best manage edits that focus on comments leaders make? For example, the page for the previous leader is significantly dedicated to comments he made (he had MUCH to say... haha) rather than anything he did in office, or what happened in Tanzania while he was in office. Is there a good way to avoid the pages being only about comments, and preferably more about providing encyclopedic information about the biographical subject? For another example, Mama Samia's comments on the breast size of the female football players were not a thing she should have said. But it is not particularly relevant to her biography or her role as leader of Tanzania. If the article is not often maintained, as most Tanzania articles are not, is there a way other than constant policing to address this? Maybe a section for them to go? BevoLJ (talk) 11:10, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @BevoLJ, I've reverted the edit because it contained original reporting and NPOV issues, thanks for bring it up here. I'm not sure how to answer your second question so I'll leave it for other hosts to answer. Although usually it really depends on a case by case basis. Justiyaya 11:42, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Can you please explain original reporting and NPOV to me? Is this non-natural or agenda editing? BevoLJ (talk) 11:46, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Neutral point of view means that all content should be written without any bias, and should represent all significant views about the subject.This especially applies when the topic is about a living person. It should also be ensured that the content is reliably sourced. So 'agenda-editing', etc. are violations of this policy. Kpddg ^(talk) 12:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. I had learned about the importance of care to living person biographies. But the wording, or acronyms, had confused me. BevoLJ (talk) 12:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

As for your article-specific questions, you will get better help at the article talk page, where interested editors can discuss this. Kpddg ^(talk) 13:08, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Additions to Existing Article

This is not a question; it is just an observation. I recently asked advice from Wikipedia on whether I could add a section to an already very good Wikipedia article on Colonial Pipeline Company. I was advised by the person that responded that I needed to provide primary or original sources. I do not have such, so I abandoned the task.

The CPC article is long and informative, but it does not mention or skims very lightly the control systems that allow this 5500 mile system with more than 200 facilities to be operated from a remote site. There is a lot of whiz-bang stuff about the large diameter pipe, the pumps and motors, the giant valves, the enormous BPD throughput but nothing about how it is controlled. Hint: it is not by humans on site at those facilities.

I know this because I worked directly on designing, building, and installing those SCADA and control systems from 1966 until 2002. But in the end it is not really important. Keep up the good work. MisterURL (talk) 11:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

In explanation, this is a side-effect of what Wikipedia is. We are a tertiary source. We rely on secondary sources to decide that something is interesting, go looking for the facts, and check their accuracy. We then collate and summarise information from the secondary sources. We shouldn't go directly to the primary sources: simplistically, primary sources are often biased by their authors, who are inevitably closely connected with the subject. A good author of a secondary source has enough distance to see the subject in perspective and assess how important is that particular primary source, and to know its bias. Also we cannot use our own knowledge, because then we would be our own primary source. If you know something about a subject, what you have to do is go and write the primary or secondary material yourself, and then Wikipedia will have something to work with! It can be very frustrating when we encounter an article that is obviously incomplete, but this usually comes down to the fact that although we consider it interesting and important, so far no one else has done so, at least not enough to get it into print. But this is also what separates us from blog sites and general interest sites. There is nothing to stop a blog from being as accurate as Wikipedia - it's just we try to guarantee the reader sources, and some neutrality as enforced by being a collaborative effort of multiple editors based on the multiple efforts of many secondary sources. Elemimele (talk) 12:21, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

I do understand that, and you make it very clear. It would be difficult for me to remain entirely objective. Thank you for the response. This arcane dab of knowledge is indeed of interest to very few - maybe none other than a handful of people that worked on it way back then - so I will be content to just know it happened myself. MisterURL (talk) 15:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

How to handle edits that change names/Wikilinks into their native language?

I do a lot of Anti-Vandalism, and sometimes I come across edits that change links or names into their native language. Here is an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Kr%C3%BCss&curid=5697112&diff=1094407247&oldid=1094407096&diffmode=source

How do I handle this? Is this okay, or is it considered disruptive? I'm asking because this is the English Wikipedia, I would assume that text should be kept in English. At least for phrases that are often used in their translated version. Kvoou ❯❯❯ Talk 12:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

It's not even slightly disruptive. Your assumption is mistaken. The IP changed a redlink to the/an English name for a prize to a working link to the article in en:Wikipedia titled with the original German name, and even retained the/an English name as a gloss. The IP should be commended for the edit. -- Hoary (talk) 13:00, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

In this particular case, they inserted a correct wikilink and used the name of the en-WP article, so it's quite constructive. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:51, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

That edit is definitely an improvement. It gives the correct name for the prize (which was not previously given), and follows it by an English translation. It also provides a working wikilink to WP's article about the prize, in place of a redlink. Maproom (talk) 20:05, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Suggest Bot

Hey there,

Yesterday I attempted to add the Suggest Bot to my User talk page Here, it doesn't appear to have worked. I'm sure I've done something wrong, does anyone know what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

AdmiralAckbar1977 The code seems to be there on your Talk Page OK. I had a problem in the past which the user who runs the bot fixed very quickly. See the User:SuggestBot page for the link to the editor to contact via their Talk page. My thread with them is now archived at User_talk:Nettrom/Archive_2#Suggest_bot_stalled? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

The user page states that the bot would be down on 20 June to fix some issues, so maybe it is still going on. Or you could try adding it to the top of your page? Kpddg ^(talk) 15:37, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Stacking userboxes

Is there a template that would allow me to stack the infobox, userboxes, and COI template on my user page? I want them to all be on the right side of the screen and I want them to stack, one above the other, rather than sitting in the middle of the page. I've tried using the Template:Align, but it doesn't appear to help. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:14, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Trouble with citations

Hi Folks

I have uploaded citations for a living Motor Sports personality but am having trouble with the citations. Can anyone help please ?

Many Thanks

RacingProphit Racingprophit (talk) 15:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm confused by your question. You say you've uploaded citations, and you're having problems with said citations. Do you mean that some work, and some don't? Or do you mean that none of them work. Regardless, I'd look here: Wikipedia:Citing sources. Another answer might be that you're attempting to insert something into the Automatic Citation section and that isn't working, from there you might want to switch to Manual Citation. Also, you could be on source editor, which is way less straightforward then visual editor. What might help is telling us which article you need help on, and a more experienced editor can walk you through it.

Cheers, AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 15:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Presumably this is about Draft:James Derhaag. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:31, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Racingprophit, welcome to the Teahouse. Referencing for beginners is a good place to start learning how to format citations. I notice that there's a second draft for the same person at Jim Derhaag (yours is at James Derhaag) - that other draft's citations are better formatted, though it's far from perfect, so perhaps you could look at them to get an idea of what to do (and maybe integrate some of the info/sources from that draft into yours). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources/Perennial sources

I don't know if this is an appropriate question for the Teahouse, but I'll ask it anyway. When I was looking at WP:RSP, I noticed many of the sources considered reliable have a left-wing bias while many sources with a ring-wing bias are considered unreliable or partly reliable. Why is this? Interstellarity (talk) 16:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Interstellarity. This article may provide some insights. There are certainly publications on the left that are unreliable. The Palmer Report and Occupy Democrats come to mind. Cullen328 (talk) 16:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

On the other hand, conservative publications like the Wall Street Journal and The Weekly Standard (now defunct) are considered reliable, as is the libertarian publication Reason. Cullen328 (talk) 16:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Cullen328 has given pretty much the perfect answer, but I'd add that WP:RSP is only a list of the sources that are most discussed, not of every source. Larger conservative publications have garnered more scrutiny over the years, and controversy attracts attention + discussion. I think the article Ideological bias on Wikipedia is an interesting read as well - There are certain areas that seem to have a "liberal" bias, and others that seem to have a "conservative" bias. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)^{Talk to Me!} 17:44, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen328 and ThadeusOfNazereth for your assistance. The reason why I asked this question is because I want to pay attention to whatever I’m reading online to make sure it is reliable, not solely to improve Wikipedia (although it’s obvious I want what is best for Wikipedia) but just to read to s:::tay informed about current and historical events. I never said that every liberal source is reliable and every conservative source is unreliable because that is obviously not the case. I know there are different kinds of reliable sources depending upon the context and biases. Please let me know how can I determine that the news I’m reading is reliable rather than looking at WP:RSP. Interstellarity (talk) 18:33, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Interstellarity, here are some useful tools from Rutgers University. Cullen328 (talk) 18:46, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. It helps a lot. Interstellarity (talk) 19:25, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Acquiring a Mentor

As a Wikipedia Newcomer, how do I acquire a mentor? Daddy Warbuxx (talk) 16:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello Daddy Warbuxx and welcome to the Teahouse. You may see if you have a mentor or join the Newcomer Growth program by enabling the Newcomer Edit features under Preferences>User Profile. I have started a conversation on your user talk page to assist you further. --ARoseWolf 16:27, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Daddy Warbuxx. Along with the methods @ARoseWolf mentioned, you may consider signing up as an adoptee for the Adopt-a-user program. As mentioned on its main page, it's not recommended to very new users. However, as you aquire a little more experience, Adopters can help you understand the "ins and outs" of Wikipedia. Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk | contribs)} 17:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Publishing an article in return for undisclosed payments

I am not an editor of Wikipedia. I sought editorial help from Wikipedia editors in editing and publishing an article about my life, which I believe satisfies the applicable notability requirement. The article was published on the main Wikipedia pages and after about three months was removed to draft status, republished and removed again to draft status with the lead comment that the article "may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use" and that "the author has been sanctioned for failing to disclose paid contributions". I was unaware of any noncompliance with Wikipedia policies by the editor and would like to resubmit this article (and cure an additonal comment that the article may have been promotional) with the help of an editor who will comply with applicable disclosure rules and policies. Can you please advise now to proceed and identify one or more editors who will provide proper editorial assistance and comply with applicable rules and policies, so that the article has a fair chance of being and remaining published. 2603:8001:A401:EB00:4D5C:A4B1:D65D:A793 (talk) 18:47, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Without knowing which draft you're talking about, there's not much any other editor can do to help you. The editor that you communicated most likely ran afoul of neglecting Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, which is a recurring problem Wikipedia has, and is something that is strongly looked down upon. While you're waiting to see if any interested editor is willing to help you, I encourage you to read the essay An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:59, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Based on what was said by the IP, the draft in question seems to be Jack Samet (or maybe Anita Gupta, but that seems less likely). Unfortunately both have been rejected and two of the editors who submitted them have been blocked for COI violations, among other things (a third has simply gone inactive). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:21, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

See User talk:GenomeBon for information about the block of the editor who submitted the draft about Jack Samet. Cullen328 (talk) 20:17, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Your analysis is correct. The draft I am talking about is the one about Jack Samet. I did read the article you site, as well as Wikipedia notability requirements and I still believe, (although I well understand my belief is not controlling) that disregarding the vioation of the the editor (which I had no part in knowing or committing) that fairly considered, the article merits publication on the main pages. As to notability, there are relevant citations supporting factual statements in the Draft to 38 independent reliable published statements including those in the New York Times, New York Daily Mirror (now defunct), Columbia Daily Spectator, San Francisco Herald Examiner, Los Angeles Daily Journal, The Business Lawyer, United States Supreme Court official reports, UCLA Daily Bruin Prime Magazine, San Diego Union, Los Angeles Times, San Diego Daily Transcript, among others. Most of these are more than incidental and go into detail about a specific activity I was involved in and at least two, the Prime Magazine and the Forest Hills High School Beacon review my life in some detail. I appreciate the comment that the Draft may be promotional and I desire editorial assistance in removing and editing those aspects of the article. All I am asking is for a fair review of the Draft, editorially revised to eliminate possible promotional aspects, and free of the taint of actions by editors not of my making. Is this possible, and if so, please advise as to how I should proceed? 2603:8001:A401:EB00:2488:B44C:8FCD:621D (talk) 22:03, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

If the draft article about your life was Declined there is a chance it can be improved and published. However, if it has been Rejected then it is a lost cause, and the project needs to be abandoned. I don’t know what article you are concerned about, so I don’t know the status of it.

Have you read Notability and Referencing for beginners? It isn’t enough for a potential Wikipedia encyclopedia article to prove that you exist, it must also show that your life story meets the notability standards established by Wikipedia. And the way to prove that notability is by finding at least 3 good published references that don’t just mention you in passing, but discuss your life in depth. These references have to be independent of you or anyone working to promote your life. No press releases, information from personal websites, or interviews of you.

The vast majority of Wikipedia editors are volunteers who work on projects they are interested it, and I have no idea how to find an actual experienced Wikipedia editor willing to help write your autobiography. But while you are waiting to find someone to assist you I would suggest you start gathering up as many good references as you can find, so that you can give them to the person who becomes interested in writing your life story. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

You (unregistered editor) have been given good advice. My advice is to reconsider whether to pay anyone to write a Wikipedia article for you. Paid editors will almost always assure you of their skill in Wikipedia, but they usually do not have the skill that they claim. Some paid editors ask a lot of stupid questions. Other paid editors get into a lot of stupid arguments with the Wikipedia community. Many of them think that, because they are being paid, they know what they are doing, but they often don't. If you want to publicize your life, it might be better to hire someone to improve your personal or corporate web site, which you do have control of. Paid editors often cannot deliver what they promise. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

The Draft article has been both declined and rejected, but I believe in each action, due to the violations of Wikipedia policies re disclosure of payments, of which I had no knowledge. I have read the article you refer to above, on Notability and Referencing for Beginners (See my response above to Cullen328) and I do not believe the Draft:Jack Samet, considered without regard to the prior editorial violations, is precluded from publication on the Main Pages of Wikipedia by a fair interpretation of any of the contents of that article. I have gathered good references, as you suggest, and the 38 citations are contained in the Draft in its current condition. How can I present the Draft to Wikipedia editors so that they can evaluate whether they think it merits publication and would be interested in editing a Draft which is already largely complete? It was published on the Main Pages of Wikipedia in October, 2021 and was not removed until late January 2022. 2603:8001:A401:EB00:2488:B44C:8FCD:621D (talk) 22:19, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Somehow, my replies to Karenthewriter and Robert McLenon have been conflated, which demonstrates unintentionally, my clear need for editorial assistance and guidance in dealing with the Wikipedia world. Hopefully, Karen and Robert will each read both replies, and what was intended to respond to each of them will be evident. I agree with Robert's advice regarding paid editors and I certainly have learned my lesson. I do not have a website, and so have no interest in publicizing my life for the purpose of growing business as I am retired. My hope was to make a legacy statement, so that those interested in the activities in which I took part, will have an additional vehicle for obtaining knowledge about them. 2603:8001:A401:EB00:2488:B44C:8FCD:621D (talk) 22:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Depression/Anxiety while exam day

How to overcome this at all ? Currently i'm studying for Medical entrance examination and exam is on head and it is held by 17th July but i'm not sure about my selection coz i have not study well from past 9-10days and not securing good marks in mock .So ,now what should i have to do ?? Guptavirbhadra (talk) 19:51, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not give medical advice, but I've heard somewhere that pressing the random article button can help when learning. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 19:53, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Submission of article for review

Hi, I am trying to submit an article in my sandbox for review but there is no button on the page to enable submission. Kindly assist. ∼∼∼∼ Nellydieli (talk) 20:40, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nellydieli. You have submitted your draft but there is very little chance that it will be accepted. You would need to provide compelling evidence that this student event is notable, which is unlikely. Most of your references do not discuss the event. Your draft is written more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. I suggest that you read and study Your first article, and perhaps consider another topic. Cullen328 (talk) 20:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Cullen328, thanks so much for your comment. I appreciate; and I will check to see what I can do about that article. However, this is not the article I am referring to. This page provided a "submit for review" button with which I submitted but not so with my other pages. I have other articles in my sandbox that I want to submit as well.Thanks to assist.∼∼∼∼ Nellydieli (talk) 21:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nellydieli. That is why it is always advisable to mention the specific page. I guess that you are talking about User:Nellydieli/sandbox/Sotonye Denton West. I have submitted that draft for you. I believe that this person is almost certainly notable. I recommend, though, that you spend some time improving and expanding the draft. There are only two references in the draft, and certainly there must be other reliable sources that devote significant coverage to such an accomplished jurist. And even the two references now present include a lot of biographical information that can easily be incorporated into the draft. Cullen328 (talk) 02:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Cullen328, I sure need a guide on Wikipedia and it looks like I found one in you already. Thank you so much. I was not gonna submit Sotonye Denton-West yet because as you rightly noted, there are only two references and my Instructor (from AfLIA) had informed, at the time we were training last year, that we needed at least four references to begin with. I will do more research on Denton-West in due course. Kindly check User:Nellydieli/sandbox/Opubo Da Lilly-Tariah. I have other articles to submit and I will do this in a while. Nellydieli (talk) 10:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Nellydieli If you want to develop articles in your sandbox(es) and then submit them when you judge they are ready, the easiest way to do that is to place the template {{User sandbox}} at the top of each sandbox page. You'll find that the template adds a button that you can use for submission. The alternative is to use the main articles for creation process. Thanks for your contributions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Mike, Fantastic! I checked and it worked. Thank you so much. Nellydieli (talk) 11:13, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

How do I delete a cancelled article.

Recently found out that the article I desired to create is not considered notable enough, so I really need to delete it. Fijipedia (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Fijipedia. Place {{Db-g7}} at the top of your page. It should be deleted soon after. Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk | contribs)} 21:00, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Why is it so hard to navigate Wikipedia's meta-pages?

I used to be able to go to pages like this one quite easily. Now, I only got to it because I remembered its not-obvious name. What are new or potential editors to do? Also, I don't know how to find out about black-listed sources. I wanted to find out if there is a discussion of ''Ancient Origins" and if there are exceptions to its not being allowed as a linked source.Kdammers (talk) 21:00, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh, now I see that most of what I wanted in the case of black-listing is in the pink message box above me draft. But, still, in general, how are people to find the lsit?Kdammers (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

No can do: The pink comment block disappeared when I commented! Kdammers (talk) 21:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Kdammers. The latest discussion about that site is here (consensus seems to be no, never usable). As for new users, there are both editors and bots who go around placing welcome messages with helpful links on the talk pages of newcomers, plus there's the new mentorship/homepage thing. Hopefully less experienced users will ask questions and more experienced ones can point them to PS and the search box. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:18, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

additionally, the easiest way to see if a source has been discussed to see if it is reliable is Reliable sources/Perennial sources, whoch you can access with the shorthand WP:RSP (Reliable sources, perennial), or you could access it through a link at the very top of Reliable sources (or WP:RS, Reliable sources). Many other pages can be accessed in a similar way, like WP:TH for the Teahouse, and WP:MOS for the Manual of Style. To see if a page has this, keep an eye out for the Shortcut box in each meta page. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Where are the short-cut boxes? Kdammers (talk)

Hello, Kdammers. There are an enormous number of shortcuts, some of which are in common use, and others that are quite obscure. Take a look at Wikipedia:Shortcut index. If you do not know the shortcut, you can type "WP:" plus a keyword in the search box. In other words, both "WP:RS" and "WP:Reliable sources" takes you to Wikipedia:Reliable sources. And so on. Cullen328 (talk) 01:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

The shortcut boxes Melecie mentioned are usually at the top right of a page. The one for the Teahouse is embedded into the "Welcome to the Teahouse!" banner, right above the host picture. 174.21.23.32 (talk) 02:50, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

question

Why was I being accused of trolling when I made a valid request on a talk page? 73.167.238.120 (talk) 21:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Claiming you don't understand something when you do understand it can be construed as trolling. RudolfRed (talk) 21:20, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Well, the claim of trolling is incorrect, just to be clear. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 21:39, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Please note that failure or refusal to "get the point" may be seen as disruptive editing. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 01:56, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I assure you that trolling was not the case. Thank you again for the information! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 01:08, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Analytics for Wikiprojects

I am wondering if there is a way to see analytics for a Wikiproject such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography. I know there's article analytics, top view analytics, site analytics, language analytics, and category views at https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/ but I'm not sure how to look for Wikiproject views. ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:36, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Do you mean like this? [2] -- asilvering (talk) 02:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @ScientistBuilder, to access the tool @Asilvering mentioned, go to the WikiProjects main page, go to "View History", and click on "Page statistics". Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk | contribs)} 03:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Better still, enable "MoreMenu" in Preferences-->Gadgets. -- asilvering (talk) 03:41, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Auto archiving whatever webpage I add to any articles

When I add a reference or an external links to an article, I want the webpage to be archived. Then I have to check first if it is archived already in its 'normal' status and achive it if it is not. It would be very convenient it is archived automatically whatever link I added. It doesn't have to be archived periodically. Just once in its normal status is fine. I searched about Wikipedia auto archiving but it seems not what I expect. Is there some tool that I want? Regpath (talk) 03:24, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

How do you type at the line of the heading

If you don't know what i'm talking about, i'm talking about the line of the heading, basically, if you make a new section you will see a line, i was wondering how you can type in it, like the good articles and stuff. I'm using the {icon} template and i want to type at the line of the heading, basically if you use the {coord} templates it would appear on the right of the line of the heading. Leahnn Rey (talk) 04:52, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

hi @Leahnn Rey and welcome back! if you want to place stuff at the top of the heading (like the good article icon), you should use {{topicon}} instead of {{icon}} (which displays inline text). if you want to place stuff at the bottom of the heading (like {{coords}}), you'd want to use <span> as such: <span id="coordinates"> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet </span>, replacing the lipsum with whatever you wanna put in, which assigns them to the location coordinates typically use. examples of both can be found here in my sandbox. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 08:39, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

How to Report an Incorrect Photo of a Person on a Page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brand My great-grandfather was Sir William Alfred Brand C.B.E., cane farmer and politian, who I knew personally - I was a teenager when he passed away. There is a Wikipedia page on his life, which I have no problem with, EXCEPT the fact that the attached PHOTO is NOT him. My mum thinks it is a photo of another man who was also in politics, possibly before or after he served in politics. Anyone who didn't know my "Da" might easily have confused the 2 men as both wearing glasses and similar builds, but it is NOT the same man. Having the incorrect photo on his profile page is somewhat distressing to the older members of my family ie. my mum and her siblings (grandchildren of Sir W A Brand). Is it possible to have this photo removed? You can see a correct photo of my great-grandfather on the website of Australian Dictionary of Biography - https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/brand-sir-william-alfred-9573 2001:8003:6460:7800:2D06:7FBA:65EE:E5B3 (talk) 05:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for raising this. I have taken the liberty of removing the image from the article. Images here tend to be uploaded at Wikimedia Commons, and looking at the information associated with that image, I can't see where it came from, or what evidence there might be that it's genuinely William Brand. We can only include reliable, sourced information, so it shouldn't be there. When it comes to images, unfortunately we can only use images that are free of copyright, or where the copyright has been released in a very generous way, so I don't feel able to use the image you provided. Maybe someone with a better understanding of copyright can reassess! Alternatively, if you have an image to which you own the copyright, you could upload it. I haven't gone looking for the image in other Wikipedias; you might like to do so, as it may have been used incorrectly elsewhere. Elemimele (talk) 06:07, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Rather to my surprise, Elemimele, Commons shows that this fuzzy little image, which you rightly removed from the en:Wikipedia article, gets quite a lot of use outside en:Wikipedia (and indeed is still used within it). That is unsatisfactory even now; and if nothing is done about it then I imagine that the image will creep back into the article on Brand. However, hasty removal is likely to be summarily reverted. I'll make a start. -- Hoary (talk) 06:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Elemimele, Per the licensing info at [3], this image [4] appears to be annoyingly out of Commons reach. Ping @Alexis Jazz, if you have any wisdom for us. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:33, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, as Tigraan said below, you'll need to find a somewhat older image. Before 1955 would be {{PD-Australia}} (and should be used per WP:FREER if found, but still with a fair use rationale), before 1946 would also be {{PD-URAA}} and could be used without a fair use rationale. I'd also suggest putting Rocketrod1960's uploads in a maintenance category to check and improve the sources. c:File:William Drayton Armstrong - Queensland politician.jpg is also found on [5] for example. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Feel free to add comments to Deletion requests/File:William Brand.jpg. -- Hoary (talk) 06:32, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that we should have too much trouble getting a new image for the article. One solution would be for the IP to upload to Commons a photo of Brand (assuming the IP took one at some point). Alternatively, for deceased individuals, a WP:FAIRUSE image can be hosted on English Wikipedia for use in the article and the one at the link the IP provided seems to meet all the criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done I've uploaded that image as fair-use and added it into the article. If we subsequently find a higher-resolution or properly licensed image that can be put on Commons, the fair-use one will be deleted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: According to WP:URAA and/or [6], photographs taken in 1954 or earlier are public domain now in Australia (the copyright regime was "50 years after creation" which means everything went into PD in 2019 the latest).

That does not help for this exact image, because according to this entry from the National Archives of Australia, it seems it was taken in 1956. However, if during your search, you found earlier images on other websites, those might be fair game. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:35, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

And in a couple of years we can move the fair-use one to Commons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected article

I just tried to make my first edit to a semi-protected article, an addition to the short description, and I ran into trouble. First, I'm not an anonymous editor and I'm not newly registered (I just qualified for Wikipedia Library priviileges). The edit didn't show up in the preview, or on the page after I published the change. However, the edit showed up just fine in my list of contributions, and in the arti79.155.36.178cle's revision history. The edit is still there on the edit page. The article is The Batman (film) (I justified my edit in the edit summary). Pete Best Beatles (talk) 05:48, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Pete Best Beatles. That article is not semi-protected. It is Extended confirmed protected, which is a more stringent form of protection. As for your edit, you are trying to change the short description to 2022 American neo-noir superhero film by Matt Reeves. That description is way too detailed and it should be much more concise. Per Wikipedia:Short description, Editors should bear in mind that short descriptions are not intended to define the subject of the article. Rather, they provide a very brief indication of the field that is covered. You have jammed six different things into the "short" description. Be extremely concise. Cullen328 (talk) 06:05, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I was just trying to add "neo-noir" to the existing description. Does "extended confirmed protected" mean I won't be able to make my addition (or that anyone will be able to take your advice either)? "Semi-protected" is what it says in the template on the edit page, that's why I said that. I think it's weird that my edit shows as legitimate on my list of contributions and in the article's revision history, since it didn't take. Pete Best Beatles (talk) 09:27, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Pete Best Beatles: If you look at the edit history of the article, you'll see that your edit "took" for a few hours, until SirDot removed it with an edit summary of "Only the primary genre". Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Pete Best Beatles (talk) 11:46, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Author's pseudonym

While tidying up the article for a children's book series, I discovered the author (Jennifer Rowe) wrote the books under a pseudonym (Emily Rodda). The pseudonym is listed as the author, while the related articles are tagged as 'Books by Jennifer Rowe'. Initially I thought the article had been vandalized before discovering that 'Emily Rodda' links to 'Jennifer Rowe'.

My question: is it reasonable to add the author's name, with something like "Rowan of Rin is a series of five children's fantasy novels by Australian author Jennifer Rowe (under her pseudonym Emily Rodda)"? WP:PSEUDONYM didn't seem to have the answer, and I discovered that there doesn't seem to be much consistency - for example books by Mary Ann Evans aka George Eliot sometimes mention they were written under a pen name and sometimes do not. Thanks in advance for any advice! StartGrammarTime (talk) 06:33, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

• @StartGrammarTime: Well, that one is a mess.

If all books in that category had been written by "Emily Rodda", the easy fix would be to rename the category (we have Category:Lady Gaga albums, not Category:Stefani Germanotta albums). But the article Jennifer Rowe says that she wrote children’s books as Emily Rodda and adult books under her own name. The category includes Verity Birdwood, a character from the adult books (it is also questionable whether a character should be in "Category:Books by ...", but the books themselves have no article so far I suppose).

I would say go for your suggestion and see if anyone complains. If there is pushback, a trip to WP:CFD might be required. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Need help to know why my article is regarded as promoting a company or instituion

Hey Guys, i'm new here, just wondering why my article is regarded as promoting a company or instituion? Since the data resource i provided is coming from a concret and solit media resource, i choose the topic i like to contribute in WikiPedia but still get denied and rejected by directly deleting my contribution withour letting me know where the issue is at, i sincerely ask for help if anyone can guide me on this, Thank you for reading and replying, stay safe. 010e0e (talk) 07:34, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

• Hello, 010e0e. I cannot see the article that was deleted after that discussion, but I assume it is similar to Draft:ThunderCore. Some advice has been posted to your talk page, the most important of which being

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

As far as I can tell, the current draft is sourced mostly to press releases and other sources closely associated to ThunderCore, which are therefore not independent. The only source approaching something of the quality we are looking for is Coindesk, but there is consensus that it should not be used because of conflict of interest issues.

I do not really think the draft has issues of promotional tone, but the "qualification for a Wikipedia article" part (called "notability" here) is a big issue. If you cannot find good sources (e.g. mainstream newspaper sources) then you should stop working on the draft altogether because it will never be accepted. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the advices! I will check on this closely: Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) 010e0e (talk) 03:16, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

An important thing to remember, 010e0e, is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 09:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

In addition to ThunderCore being deleted, the draft you moved to article about Chris Wang (ThunderCore CEO) is at AfD and likely to be deleted. You have not yet replied to a query on your Talk page asking whether you have a conflict of interest (WP:COI) or are paid or otherwise compensated (WP:PAID) for your attempts to create articles about ThunderCore and Wang. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

BMW E36 saloon 1994.

Many thanks for definitive article on the BMW E36 saloon cars. The 1994 E36 that I have was classed as BMW E36 and is a 325iSE. The SE I am informed by BMW stands for "Special Equipment" and consists of an electric sun roof and rear headrests. Hope this is of some help. 81.178.174.73 (talk) 08:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and thank you for wanting to contribute to Wikipedia. If you have suggestions for improving an article, the best place to make then is on that article's talk page (rather than here, where thousands of editors hang out, quite probably none of whom know anything at about that subject or that article). However, all information in a Wikipedia article should be available in a reliable published source: information that is just from your (or my) personal knowledge is not acceptable - see Verifiability for why that is so important. ColinFine (talk) 09:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Assistance in Editing Page

Hi so I recently updated the page of the California State Legislature, 2021–22 session as it very clearly had not been updated at all in several months (you can see in contributions I did over 3,000 characters worth. And for one of the things I was trying to update was the profile box for Mike McGuire who became Majority Leader of the California State Senate on January 19, 2022. Except whoever did the original table for his profile did it in a way that I have zero idea of adding in his new office as Majority Leader so if anyone who has a lot of experience in creating table's could possibly take a look and add that in that would be super helpful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunnyboi18 (talk • contribs) 09:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sunnyboi18. If nobody comes forward to help, I suggest asking at WT:WikiProject California or WT:WikiProject Politics. ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Editor conduct

Where and how can a concern be addressed regarding a non-admin editor who appears to be misusing their rollback tool? 50.237.67.210 (talk) 10:02, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse, I would raise the matter at ANI (Administrators Noticeboard/Incidents) where administrators and other users can comment on it. Thanks, | Zippybonzo | Talk | 10:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

...after having tried to discuss the matter with them, of course. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:24, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

better advice possible if you specify an aticle. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft

I don't want to leave this draft to rot, but I also can't develop it. The subject is covered a lot in books (which I don't have access to) after a quick search on Google, but history isn't exactly my area of expertise, nor do I have an area of expertise. It's probably not gonna get any new editors. What should I do with it? Vortex (talk) 12:23, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

You can boldly press the blue button and see what the AfC reviewers think. Consider leaving a comment that it is an abandoned draft that you think is notable. Slywriter (talk) 12:56, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427 Welcome to the Teahouse! You could post the information about the books on the draft, make a note on the draft talk page asking for assistance, and ask the appropriate WikiProject for assistance (e.g. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portugal). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 12:54, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter I might do that after I follow GoingBatty's suggestions. Maybe others could find the time to improve the article in a way that I can't? Vortex (talk) 12:58, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I think that da Mata already meets the notability requirement of WP:NPOL, given that he was a Portuguese minister. Why don't you just submit the draft as-is (it is otherwise OK in terms of citing etc.) and let others improve it when in Mainspace, Vortex3427? Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:03, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I think I noticed that a few months back when I was still editing the article, but I was confused if it would override WP:GNG. I've already notified the WikiProject and might include some of GoingBatty's other suggestions, but I'll try it now and see how it goes. Thanks, Vortex (talk) 13:06, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Links to prove the article is notable; Other country Wikipedia approved an article, english one didn't, what do I do?

Hello, I need some help with defining which links are proving that the company is notable. I`ve read the instruction, still have doubts about these links:

- http://us.acrofan.com/detail.php?number=651891

- https://www.gamblinginsider.com/connections/1363/internet-vikings

- https://www.igamingsuppliers.com/vendor/internet-vikings-ab/

- http://momathandscience.com/news-and-events-on-science-and-events/services-offered-by-internet-vikings/

- https://sbcamericas.com/2022/03/07/internet-vikings-kicks-off-igaming-hosting-operations-in-indiana/

Could you please help me with defining which ones are reliable sources?

Also, there is an article about the company on Ukrainian Wikipedia. Does it make the company notable if the other Wikipedia branch decided it is? Or every country Wikipedia is autonomous and makes its own decisions? Sofia.pavlivna (talk) 12:24, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Every Wikimedia project is autonomous and basically independent from each other. Vortex (talk) 12:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what company you're referring to, but can you try the sources in that Ukrainian-language article and see if they're reliable? Non-English sources are also allowed on here. Note that I have been on Wikipedia for a scant thirty days and have no idea if the advice I'm giving is good or not. Vortex (talk) 12:30, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427 - Your replies are correct! Every article on the English Wikipedia must meet the English Wikipedia's criteria for notability (in this case WP:NORG), regardless of whether an article exists on any other Wikipedia site. GoingBatty (talk) 12:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I can confirm that the advice given by @Vortex3427: is 100% correct (Wikimedia projects are independent, looking up the sources in other languages is usually the first step, that non-en sources are accepted on en-wp).

Regarding the sources... Sofia.pavlivna, when you say you have read the instruction[s] (by which I assume you mean WP:GNG), did you understand them? Your first three links are press releases (not even trying to hide it for the second one: Our client portfolio...), which pretty clearly fail the "independent from the subject" test.

The fourth one is written in dubious English, and it’s even worse on their main page. I am pretty sure that is some random person’s blog, which fails (at least) the "reliable source" test.

The fifth one superficially resembles the sort of thing we want (apparently a press article, with a journalist signing it, dealing directly with the subject with some amount of detail). However, if you look at the content, it is pretty clear that it contains only stuff that several persons from the company said to the journalist. Such interview-like content is not considered independent.

A side note, since you are a paid editor. Please tell whoever is in charge of such things at your company (possibly yourself) that writing on Wikipedia is a risky adventure, with a very serious risk of spending lots of time accomplishing nothing. If the client was promised they would get a Wikipedia article, I suggest you withdraw that promise immediately, and explain that you can try but that you have very little control about whether the article stays or not and what it will say if it does, no matter how much they pay you. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:14, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Sofia.pavlivna: Welcome to the Teahouse! Press releases and directory listings like these are not independent reliable sources. GoingBatty (talk) 12:48, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

AFC submission declined

I have recently tried to draft a page and submitted it for AFC approval but my submission was declined. The reason provided is that the subject is not notable, my question is how will I get know which subject is notable or not? Wikiboss1311 (talk) 16:07, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Are you asking about Draft:Ross Dickerson? weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 16:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Of course, Yes! Wikiboss1311 (talk) 16:15, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Wikiboss1311: Check out WP:N, which has lots of info on that. RudolfRed (talk) 16:12, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I heard somewhere that a good way to check if a subject was notable was to pretend that you know nothing about the subject and try to find sources that support statements in the article. But I might be wrong. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 16:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

That's a good way to start, weeklyd3. But if you find such sources, you need to evaluate the quality of those sources: if they're on social media, blogs, forums, wikis, iMDB, they're probably not reliable and do not contibute to notability. If they're written, commissioned, or published by the subject or their associates, or based primarily on interviews or press releases, then they're not independent, and don't contribute to notability. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

And indeed, there's a template to help you start looking: {{find sources}}. ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Article Reassessment

Hello, I've recently taken an interest in improving certain Wikipedia Articles to A rated status or more. I would like to reassess an article I've recently been working on, because it's last assessment was on October 9, 2009. I would ask for one at WP:Good article reassessment, however I'm certain it doesn't qualify as a GA. Where should I report it? (This is the article) Dinoz1 (chat?) 18:32, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I believe you just need to remove the current rating so that it appears on lists of articles needing quality assessments. ––FormalDude talk 18:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Dinoz1 (chat?) 18:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Dinoz1 A status is actually above GA status, so if you think it's not a GA, it's definitely not A-level. I've assessed it at C-class. Good luck with it! -- asilvering (talk) 18:51, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

User:Asilvering, User:Dinoz1 - A-class and GA have different rating bases and are not entirely comparable. Some WikiProjects, such as Military History, have A-class ratings, but most do not, so for most WikiProjects the scale is Start - C - B - Good Article - Featured Article. There has recently been pointless argument over whether A is above GA, or GA is above A, or neither. Most WikiProjects don't have A. Military History is a project that has a well-organized assessment scheme. Many B-class assessments and nearly all C-class assessments are done by one person, usually by common sense. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:13, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Who is saying GA is above A? I'm not familiar with any wikiprojects that rank them in that manner...? -- asilvering (talk) 21:29, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

What is the 'name' of the template for?

For example, there is a template, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Men%27s_professional_basketball_leagues.

The name of this template is 'Men's professional basketball leagues' and the title is 'Men's basketball leagues' I understand what the title is. It is what is really displayed on the screen. Then what is the function of 'name'? Is it just a unique identifier?

I also wonder whether the name or title should be unique in the English wikipedia space. Regpath (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Regpath, and welcome to the Teahouse. The name of the template is how you invoke (make use of) the template. If you want to use it on a page you put its name in double curly brackets to transclude it:

{{Men's professional basketball leagues}}

and it displays whatever that template happens to display; in this case

.

This particular template is a navigation template, and the concept of a "title" is meaningful; but for many templates there is nothing that may reasonably be called a "title" about them. ColinFine (talk) 22:35, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Can I see all my Teahouse questions in one place?

Can I see all my previous teahouse questions in one place whether it has been archived or not? Regpath (talk) 22:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

@Regpath: You can view all your contributions to the Teahouse here. ––FormalDude talk 22:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Regpath (talk) 01:11, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Citing unpublished manuscripts

I was wondering how does one cite an unpublished diary that resides at a state library such as the following?

http://search.slv.vic.gov.au/permalink/f/1cl35st/SLV_VOYAGER1640424 Robbiegibbons (talk) 01:35, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Cluebot NG

Hi, I know I'm not relatively new here, but I'm still new enough to use the teahouse. I just have a question on Cluebot NG and that is, is Cluebot a software that I or any RC Patroller can use, or is it a bot that is run by some random dude. thanks Msaskiw (talk) 02:01, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Msaskiw, welcome to the Teahouse. ClueBot NG is a bot account. Also, if you’d like to learn more about how it works, feel free to check out its user page. Helen(💬📖) 02:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Voting in AfD

Is it appropriate to vote for "Keep" for an article nominated for deletion that is originally created by yourself? Insight 3 (talk) 03:54, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Insight 3. I don’t think there’s anything improper with the creator of an article nominated for deletion voting “keep”, but keep in mind that the result of the discussion will still be determined through consensus-building. What I mean is that if you just post something like “keep because I created the article”, then you’re not likely going to convince others to agree with you. You might want to take a look at WP:AFDEQ and WP:ATA for some insight into how to participate in an AfD discussion. — Marchjuly (talk) 05:16, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

• Comment I would like to know what about voting "delete" by the same nominator. Is it countable ? Onmyway22 talk 03:58, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

  Hi Onmyway22. It’s going to be assumed that someone nominating an article for deletion is casting a vote in favor of such an outcome even though they might not explicitly state as much in their nomination; so, it’s not really necessary for them to “vote” again per se, except perhaps in some cases where an alternative to deletion has be proposed by someone else in the discussion. Each participant is only supposed to vote once; a participant may change or amend their vote, but there’s a correct way to do so that doesn’t require casting a second vote. — Marchjuly (talk) 05:25, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Take a look Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aparna Rajeev , an attack or suspected sockpuppetry.

I have been watching this nomination page. The nomination seems an attack to delete the article with multiple accounts, the nominator is a novice (with contributions) and (experienced with activity), and the user only nominated that article and he voted in the same as delete. which is the only nomination and delete vote from the user, see AfD Statistics for User:Zinjan32 (nominator). When I see the nomination page, there was another delete vote from another novice account user:Aoyoigian. The participant Ayogian got blocked for paid edit and sockpuppet. Both the nominator and the participant do not even create their user page.

After the block of User:Aoyoigian again another novice account named User:Zinjan32 came up with a delete vote. with the same nature of edits. The only contribution of this account is voting delete for the nomination. See the contributions and see the AfD stats. The account only contested only in this nomination as delete. All these three accounts having same nature of edits. So I strongly suspect these two contestants are the sockpuppets of the nominator. Onmyway22 talk 03:55, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

hi @Onmyway22 and welcome to the teahouse! sockpuppet reports should go to Sockpuppet investigations, follow the instructions over there to see how to report a case. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 06:18, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Help with first page

Hi, I’ve been editing for a few months but trying to publish a few pages with no luck. My current draft:ForagerFunds is the closest I have to getting a page to work. I have followed a few others in the same industry to match the quality of sources and right tone. In this case I am referring to Magellan Financial Group and Australian Ethical. I can’t work out why the Forager Funds page isn’t allowed compared to the others. Any tips? (And yes I’m kinda into investing so I like editing this type of content). TrueStay (talk) 05:15, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Forager Funds 💜  melecie  talk - 06:20, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, TrueStay. The other two articles you mentioned, Magellan Financial Group and Australian Ethical Investment are start class articles with significant problems that are quite obvious to experienced editors. But we have over 6.5 million articles and millions of them are mediocre or poor. Editors work to improve such articles or delete such articles 24/7/365 but it is a daunting task. Your argument that you have found two mediocre articles so we should accept your mediocre draft is not very persuasive. When I look at your list of references and click on a few of them, I am unimpressed. The bibliographic information is incomplete. Several are behind paywalls but you can always include a brief, substantive quotation from the source so that reviews know that it is not a passing mention. Please explain how this business meets WP:NCORP when the vast majority of companies don't. In the end, it is all about the quality of the significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Nothing else matters nearly as much. Cullen328 (talk) 06:40, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I really appreciate accepting my first article ‘Rajkumari Amrit Kaur College of Nursing’. However, while moving it to the Draft, a reviewer / editor changed the name of the article to ‘Rajkumari Amrit Kaur College’ The article is now approved with the wrong name. How can I rectify this ? I'm a beginner and need a bit of help in getting around here, Thanks for your patience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajkumari_Amrit_Kaur_College RathishN (talk) 05:19, 24 June 2022 (UTC)