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A slight correction

"In Donkey Kong Junior Donkey Kong was kidnapped by Mario and players had to control his son Donkey Kong Jr. to rescue him." It was revealed in a 90s Nintendo power that Cranky Kong was actually the original Donkey Kong in the original Mario game and in Donkey Kong Jr., and that Donkey Kong Jr. is who we would now know as the current Donkey Kong. I don't have any resources to reference this, so I'm not sure if I should add it, but it's pretty common knowledge to the Mario/Donkey Kong fan community(2 members of whom I know in real life).AiTouch (talk) 02:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That name

Can anyone add an explanation for the bizarre name (that they can back up with references)? Xcrivener (talk) 11:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is a section with references on the page for the character https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_Kong_(character)

I agree that it would be helpful for this explanation to also appear on this page, i.e. for the name of the game in general.

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Miyamoto used "donkey" to convey "stubborn" in English; while "Kong" was simply to imply him being a "large ape", the name Donkey Kong was intended to convey "stubborn ape" to the American audience.[17][18][19] When he suggested this name to Nintendo of America, people laughed, but the name stuck.[18]

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17. "Nintendo Online Magazine". Nintendo Online Magazine. Archived from the original on August 17, 2016.

18. "Miyamoto interview, E3 2001". Quarter To Three. May 16, 2001. Archived from the original on November 18, 2006. Retrieved May 31, 2007.

19. "Donkey Wrong". Snopes. February 19, 2007. Retrieved April 22, 2008. The bottom line is that no evidence backs up any of the explanations that the name 'Donkey Kong' came about because of a misread fax, mispronunciation, or mistranslation. Shigeru Miyamoto, the game's inventor and the one person who unquestionably knows the origins of the name he chose, has repeatedly affirmed that he used the word 'donkey' to convey a sense of stubbornness and the name 'Kong' to invoke the image of a gorilla.

81.109.84.66 (talk) 21:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC) (It only took 11 years to get an answer here!)[reply]

Move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Donkey Kong → Donkey Kong (franchise) –

Proposed by: ArtistScientist (talk · contribs)

This article's name could be less ambiguous. There is a video game called Donkey Kong as well as a character. I propose making it obvious that this article is about the video game franchise and all the series that pertain to it. ArtistScientist (talk) 02:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can see, in the case of multiple articles with the same title, a primary topic is chosen, and the other articles have disambiguation in there titles. I don't have any opposition to this change, but am not sure it would follow standards. Salvidrim! 05:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support I think the character should be primary, but a disambiguation page is also fine. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 07:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think the arcade game should be the primary article, since that is the primary usage of the name in the general public. It's the same with Pac-Man.ArtistScientist (talk) 06:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; the franchise is the primary topic. All other topics are subtopics of the franchise. Powers ^T 15:25, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like it would be hard to argue that in the case of Mario, though. ArtistScientist (talk) 07:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. The very words "Donkey Kong" refer to a character -- that is the primary topic. The game is a game named after the character (not the other way around), and so is the franchise. Salvidrim! 15:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Franchise template

IT'S SNOWING

Very clear consensus to use the franchise template instead of the video games template. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:04, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@WanakoDX: please stop edit warring and discuss this. Edit warring is strictly prohibited, even if you think you're right. Here's my rationale for changing the infobox from Template:Infobox video game series to Template:Infobox media franchise:

The template is massively bloated with information that's provided in List of Donkey Kong video games, such as:
Developers who only worked on a single Donkey Kong game

Genres that only describe a single Donkey Kong game

Platforms that only had a single Donkey Kong game
The template being bloated results in things getting lost. You have to scroll really far down to see information like Shigeru Miyamoto being the creator and Nintendo being the publisher. Things like this are far more important than every single platform that has housed a Donkey Kong game at some point.
Like Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog, Donkey Kong is substantially more than just video games; there are TV shows, comics, LCD games, a movie, and a theme park attraction. It's more useful to use the franchise template in scenarios like this where it encompasses more.

Basically, the franchise template is more concise, far less bloated, and gives a much better overview of the franchise. The video game template can easily go to List of Donkey Kong games, where all the developer/platform information actually fits. JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 20:39, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that we should use the franchise template, especially since the first sentence of this article says this: "Donkey Kong is a video game franchise created by Shigeru Miyamoto and owned by Nintendo." It says that it's a franchise so we should use that template. Splitting and creating a DK media franchise article can be handled later and may not be appropriate since the franchise might not be notable enough for its own article. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:48, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. (Also this is the Donkey Kong franchise article so I don't see why we'd split it :V) JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 20:51, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even if that's the case, then why couldn't split and create a DK media franchise page in the first place WanakoDX (talk) 20:42, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the DK games template is desorganized unlike listing all developers, including secondary ones, and all platforms the series was present. WanakoDX (talk) 20:44, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just based on length and WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the media template is a better option. There's simply too much trying to be crammed into the game template as of this revision that what should be the important hierarchical information is lost in a sea of links and text. The media infobox might be too spare in some respects, but it supports the article much better by giving examples of multimedia and its duration and rights holders rather than telling us about that rhythm game that one time as one of the first things in the article. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 20:50, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The long version looks terrible. It's massive and hard to read. You've got to think about things beyond just cramming every little thing in there. Sergecross73 msg me 21:34, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The media template is miles better for this purpose. The games template is so crammed with stuff that its of no use at all. Wikipedia is for the average person, the video game template in this case has strayed well past that. - X201 (talk) 22:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not to WP:SNOW this conversation, but I also agree on the media template being the better option. I was the original writer of a lot of the content for List of Donkey Kong video games back in the day, and it's worth mentioning that the developer information for each individual game is also included in the notes section for all of the games -- it should be comprehensive coverage. Nomader (talk) 02:58, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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