User talk:Fastily

I have moved the article 1948 Israeli raid on Syrian customs house to the wrong space.

Hi there Wikimaster, I have accidentally moved the page to this redirect Draft:Breaker007/1948 Israeli raid on Syrian customs house could you please revert my edits as my phone was unattended for a moment and my kid got a hold of it accidentally publishing the move when I was considering moving it to draft for the user to work on.

Please ignore those edits. UncleCedric (talk) 19:35, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

I Feel Space

Excuse me, why in the world was it deleted? 84.222.36.186 (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@84.222.36.186 Please see criteria G8 of the CSD for more information. ☀DefenderTienMinh⛤☯☽ (talk) 17:42, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Only the negative

I realized you basically gave me a warning in my talk page over the jest I made. Ironically I think it is the only time ever that I made such an edit mirroring an accidental mistake of a fellow editor. Maybe you didn't like that I said you didn't get the point, I don't know. I made an honest mistake trying to have a festive jest or worse trying to explain the situation in a dummy edit and WHAM, I get basically paperwork. I have yet to get a nice thanks for my collaboration in the project by an administrator.. Only the negative. I am like, seriously? Sincerely, --Thinker78 (talk) 01:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Uh, you made an unfunny "jest" that severely reduces the readability of a talk page. I fixed it on both Iruka13 & Koavf's talk pages, and now you're butthurt because I called you out? I don't know what your deal is, but I'm not giving you kudos for that. -FASTILY 01:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

First, don't falsely imply an accusation of something I did not do. As I stated, I mirrored the accidental mistake of Iruka13 that was done on Koavf's page, I did not do that on Koavf's page, I mirrored it in Iruka13's talk page to draw attention to it in a mistaken attempt of a jest.

Second, I think telling me I am "butthurt" is a violation of the WP:CIVILITY policy. It clearly states, editors should always treat each other with consideration and respect. They should focus on improving the encyclopedia while maintaining a pleasant editing environment by behaving politely, calmly and reasonably, even during heated debates.

As such, I would request that you strike through the word "butthurt". Per WP:ADMINCOND, Administrators should lead by example and, like all editors, should behave in a respectful, civil manner in their interactions with others. Thinker78 (talk) 02:07, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh wow this is rich. Let's break it down, shall we? You're unable to accept you were wrong, so you came here to pick a fight and make poor attempts to justify your previous acts of disruptive behavior. I called you out yet again, and now you're even more butthurt. Then, you cite policies that you clearly struggle to understand in a feeble attempt to threaten me. All you've done is convince me that you lack the collegial & collaborative attitudes necessary to be a productive contributor to Wikipedia. You can quit wasting my time now, thanks. -FASTILY 21:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

"You're unable to accept you were wrong". Let me quote myself,

• "I made an honest mistake trying to have a festive jest"
• "I mirrored it in Iruka13's talk page to draw attention to it in a mistaken attempt of a jest."

I accept I was wrong in replicating the bad rendering because it took away time from other editor to find out what was going on. But I did it—again—in a mistaken attempt to draw attention in a funny way about the accidental mistake of the editor.

Now, I will point out that you are pointing out a guideline but you have in my opinion a concerning disregard for the civility policy. Policies take precedence over guidelines and you are doubling down on ignoring the civility policy. This takes away much of any legitimacy you would have otherwise.

Per WP:IDENTIFYUNCIVIL, "rudeness, insults, name-calling, gross profanity or indecent suggestions". There is also, "ill-considered accusations of impropriety" as I am not threatening you and I did not come here to pick a fight but rather I was attempting to let you know how I was feeling, seeking EMPATHY.

Seeking third party input, @Oshwah:. Thinker78 (talk) 22:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Ok so you agree your behavior was disruptive, now quit trying to justify it. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? You obviously came here to whine and make a big deal out of nothing. If that's not the literal definition of butthurt, then I don't know what is. Oh and I'm not your therapist; it's not my job to sweet talk you and whisper affirmations in your ear. -FASTILY 23:09, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Thinker78 - Happy to give my input. I think you originally meant to be in a positive spirit when you left the trout with the strike-trough. Fastily stated in his edit summary when he removed your strike-through that it makes the page render in a weird fashion. That didn't happen to me when I viewed it, but you have to remember that due to Wikipedia's high prevalence (I think we're #6 on the top most visited website) and diverse audience that this is certainly possible. Take into account that people will visit this site from all over the world, every day, and from many countries, lifestyles, and with different levels of affordability of technology. Firefox, Edge, Chrome, Opera, Safari, Google Browser, Internet Explorer, Netscape... The list goes on. If someone reverted a revision... No, sorry - just the formatting of a revision that I saved stating that it rendered the page incorrectly or even weird, the worst thing I'd maybe do is kindly ask what browser they're using and what they're seeing exactly (out of curiosity). Otherwise, I wouldn't simply moved on and said nothing at all. No big deal, right? :-)

Your initial message to Fastily here was somewhat-understandable - at the beginning. You were just trying to explain your edit, but then ended with a complaint that you've not received the appreciation for your contributions that you feel that you deserve, "only the negative" (diff, permalink). From there, it just goes downhill. Sure, I agree that using the word "butthurt" in a response isn't the kind of word that I would've used; it certainly isn't helpful to the situation. However, you also had the opportunity to take a small step back and just kindly ask that Fastily not say that to you, instead of driving further arguments. If anything, just be understanding. Fastily only reverted the formatting of your edit, and nothing more. I think we're blowing up the situation 50X higher and with way more intensity than what should've happened, which really shouldn't have ignited at all. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:23, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I do thank you Oshwah for your insights and for making me feel better. Something like that I was expecting from Fastily. I was a bit sensitive when I got the paperwork by Fastily. Then I came here seeking some sort of reassurance because Wikipedia is actually a very important facet in my life. Instead I got an uncivil treatment.

I have seen administrators get regular editors to the arbitration committee for the civility policy over innocuous jokes, administrators have ignored me when I complain about serious uncivil conduct directed at me with plenty of f words and then when I got the uncivil treatment by someone who should show leadership and exemplary conduct as an administrator, I was simply outraged.

Fastily gave me the talk for a guideline and here we are, Fastily has utter disregard for a policy, the civility policy. This certainly doesn't add up at all and it is deeply worrying to me as an editor. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 03:35, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Thinker78 - All I can say is this: I've been a contributor to Wikipedia coming up on 17 years now (Wow, time flies by really fast). I've made more... much more than my fair share of mistakes here over those years. Really stupid ones, too... Shit, just ask Fastily - I'm sure they'll vouch for me 100% (if not more) on that. Oh and hey, guess what? I still do! In fact, I made a blunder the other day and should've been trouted for that!

To go further, with those mistakes, I've had plenty of times where editors and admins have "lit me up" hard and "gave me an undressing" for making them. "What the hell were you doing?", "How could you fuck up something that bad?!!", and so on... Now, were some of the things said uncivil? Yeah, many messages were - I mean, there are better ways to emphasize how badly I messed up at the time without the scolding. However, regardless of the words (which many I disagreed with), it was more important to me that I understood the message. If you double down, point fingers, and raise a torch and a pitchfork back, unless you're 1000% correct and the other user 1000% wrong without question (usually trolls or users being malicious), it will usually lead the discussion to become a complete mess and with words, beer glasses, and chairs thrown all over the place. I've seen it many times; they're not pretty... Much beer was spilled. Even then, you should always challenge appropriately and kindly - never bury your feet down and "double back"; two wrongs don't make a right. :-)

Just take this as a learning opportunity, understand, and implement what you learned moving forward. We all make mistakes - all of us, and I don't think that users are growing and expanding their knowledge, wisdom, and experience on Wikipedia if they don't make any mistakes at all. If I'm looking at two users to support to be an administrator here and with the same experience and (playing the "what if game") I could only choose one, I will 100% support a user who have "battle scars" (not repeated ones) and who will say, "I screwed up, this is why, I understand what I did, and this is what I learned" - compared to someone who made no mistakes at all, or those who became defensive about them, and doubled down before they looked into the situation when they instead should be asking questions and working together. :-D ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Unconsensed edit

Hi. A K-Pop fan called User:Nkon21 has simply reverted and edition I made to clarify BTS is many things beyond just a boy band, and in addition has reinforced the page security (after sending me tis message: “Don't do that without consensus”. It's like claiming that a determined color belongs to him/her. Can I receive some help, please? Fidulario (talk) 01:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Fidulario. I'd recommend proposing your changes on the article's talk page first. -FASTILY 01:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Deletion from U5

Hi Fastily, I was speedily deleted with the claim of a U5 violation. I am very unclear of how any of my content concerning the history and evolution of medically-induced comas was a personal advertisement. All citations were strictly to NCBI peer-reviewed studies and articles from scientific journals. Are you able to further clarify my violation? ICUNP (talk) 04:06, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi ICUNP. You may not use Wikipedia to promote yourself, your business, and/or your services. Please be advised that repeated violations of this rule will result in loss of editing privileges. Thanks, FASTILY 21:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Fastily,

I acknowledge and respect that rule. I am unsure how it applies to what I submitted. Can you share with me what is perceived as an advertisement? ICUNP (talk) 00:38, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Curious, what is your relationship to the subject? -FASTILY 09:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

I am a nurse practitioner and expert on the history and medically-induced comas in critical care medicine and the current evidence-based standard of care. I speak at medical conferences and contribute to medical journals to clarify misinformation surrounding medically-induced comas. This contribution is not to give medical advice but to dispel myths surrounding medically-induced comas. I am trying to unlock this information from the ivory towers of medical journals and make it digestible and accessible to the general public. All of the citations I provided are from the National Library of Medicine or Society of Critical Care Medicine. I did not participate in any of the articles I cited and there is no self-endorsement. My understanding is that wikipedia makes complicated information simple, clear, and accessible to the public. I am trying to address a knowledge gap. This will hopefully give clarity to families in the ICU as well as understanding for ICU survivors. ICUNP (talk) 16:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Really you're very fast Fastily. Okoslavia (talk) 18:08, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Okoslavia! :) -FASTILY 21:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of NJCPA sandbox

You deleted my sandbox for the NJCPA, am I able to ask which parts were against the guidelines? NJaccountant (talk) 14:54, 17 August 2023 (UTC)