Talk:Issa (clan)

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Alessandra Pellegrini De Luca (5 November 2023). "Valutare le richieste d'asilo dei migranti è un lavoro complicato" (in Italian). Il Post. Archived from the original on 5 November 2023. Retrieved 6 November 2023. The ONLF claims the independence of the Somali region, formerly known as Ogaden, which is [within Ethiopian territory], but is mainly inhabited by Somalis. Arab belongs to the Issa Somali clan: he left Ethiopia when he was 14 years old and if he didn't do so, he would very likely have become a soldier.

Issa and Ciise

The Wikipedia naming convention is that pages ought to have their common English name rather than the native name. Ciise therefore ought to redirect to Issa (clan) rather than the other way around. Anyone object? Or anyone want to go ahead and do this? - I'm not too confident in the procedure. Gailtb 07:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reer guleni clan 2607:FEA8:329D:B00:457E:DFC6:C3F0:D72A (talk) 16:21, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Burton's list

The explorer Richard Burton provides a different list of the subclans of the Issa, in his book First Footsteps in East Africa. (In some cases, I cannot match his names to those in the article.) His list is:

Rer Wardik (the royal clan)
Rer Abdullah
Rer Musa
Rer Mummasan
Rer Guleni
Rer Hurroni
Rer Urwena
Rer Furlabah
Rer Gada
Rer Ali Addah

Burton then divides the Rer Musa (who he says number half the Issa) into:

Rer Galan
Rer Harlah
Rer Gadishah
Rer Dubbah
Rer Kul
Rer Gedi

-- llywrch (talk) 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase "a different list" in the above comment refers to the subclans as presented in this version of the article. -- llywrch (talk) 04:58, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation

Greetings! Go to the history facts. User:Skilla1st

Greetings, every Somali knows that clan maps are biased, who is the expert behind this clan map?

You claim the grounds to be inhabited by only a certain clan, which is false. A large part of land is shared among clans. Neither is the Issa clan the only clan in ::Djibouti or the largest in Zeila, which your map claims. The second largest Somali clan in fact in Djibouti is the Gadabuursi.

Even the name of French Somaliland was proposed by a Gadaboursi and the French first signed a treaty with them at Zeila before they signed one with the Issa at the end of the 19th century.

As indicated in Morin (2005:640) the name of “Cote francaise

des Somalis” itself is said to have been proposed by hağği Diideh [Mahad-Ase clan of

Gedebursi. He was Prosperous merchant of Zayla who built the first Mosque in Djibouti

Ğami ar-Rahma in 1891] to the French administration in imitation of British Somaliland.

Page 92 [1]

Also based on a Somaliland report Majorities

of local councillors elected in the

districts of Zeila (ten out of seventeen) were Gadabuursi

Page 59. [2]

Even the clans claimed by the map on your map as Hawiye do not identify as Hawiye by lineage: The clans are as follow

Gaalje'el

Degoodi

Hawaadle

Ajuraan

Garre

All Claim descent from Samaale, but not the Hawiye or even Irir Segment.

The Quranyow sub-clan of the Garre even claim descent from Dir Irir Samaale. Page 7

The Quranyo section of the Garre claim descent from Dirr, who are born of the Irrir Samal [3]

[4]

The shared partilineal ancestor with the surrounding Hawiye is just Samaale.

Page 32 [5]

[6]

So the map is not accurate, but rather biased.

On the right I added a different clan map which points Gadabuursi more towards Dire Dawa, but not within the Gursum woreda which is false since the Gadabuursi are also the biggest clan within the Gursum woreda and based on different researches reach as far as Metehara within the Oromia region. So a map can't accurately point the land inhabited by certain Somali clans.

Also the Issa inhabit as far as within the Afar region, which is something this clan map of yours also doesn't depict. I'll have you know that Shinile zone of the Somali Region of Ethiopia runs more westward.

User:AbwaanRooble comment added 20:28, 28 September 2016

Greetings, I know that Issa inhabit want so far in the Afar region near the Awash River but Issa live in half Awdal and Shinile zone. The Gadabuursi live in Djibouti city have not see them in Arta or Ali Sabieh. Everysummer they for Borama.

User:Skilla1st comment added 10:37pm, 28 September 2016

Based on multiple researches the Gadabuursi are the second most biggest Somali clan in Djibouti and according to a French source make up at least 15% of the population in Djibouti. So to claim the Gadabuursi do not inhabit Djibouti is false. Colonial researchers who have claimed to roam the Harawa Valley of the Gadabuursi a century ago, which even the Harawo town in the Shinile Zone is named after mentioned a strong Gadabuursi presence and today still they remain in their lands. In your map you claim it to be only Issa inhabited, which is false. You also claim Issa inhabit more than one half of Awdal, while the Gadabuursi do not, while they are the pre-dominate clan in Awdal, which makes no sense. All in all your map is inaccurate. The Gadabuursi and Issa who inhabit a large chunk of land together are both of the Dir clan. Either be fair and claim the areas are inhabited by both clans or no map should be added at all.

User:AbwaanRooble comment added 22:39, 28 September 2016

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4.16.136.69 (talk) 18:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the editors of this page provide false information about ISSA tribes , lineage and other. base on that this information on this page is not reliable . this page should be edited as the sheikh ishaaq page in wikipedia because the 2 man were brother ( Sheikh ISSA and Sheikh ISHAAQ ) both descendent from banu hashim tribe of the prohete in Saudi Arabia . Most Arabic hagiologies are in agreement when it comes to the lineage of Sheikh ISSA and Ishaaq, tracing his lineage to Ali bin Abi Talib, the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.[23]

The lineage attributed to Sheikh Ishaaq by two Arabic hagiologies, and which is covered by Alessandro Gori in Studi sulla letteratura agiografica islamica somala in lingua araba, is the following;[23]

Ash-Shaykh Ishaaq bin Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Husayn bin Ali bin Muhammad bin Hamza al-Muttahar bin Abdallah bin Ayyub bin Qasim bin Ahmad bin Ali bin Isa bin Yahya bin Ja’far bin Ali al-Hadi bin Muhammad al-Jawad bin Ali al-Ridha bin Musa al-Kadhim bin Ja'far al-Sadiq bin Muhammad al-Baqir bin Ali Zayn Al-Abidin bin Husayn bin Ali bin Abi Talib.[23]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]