Talk:Turabay dynasty/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Chipmunkdavis (talk · contribs) 04:40, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

I'll begin looking at this. At first impressions, the sectioning seems short, with only two content sections. That said, similar articles such as House of Plantagenet, Gordian dynasty, and Sargonid dynasty are also quite short. Flavian dynasty is longer, although it seems an outlier in this regard. What the articles often do seem to have is separate Timeline and Geneology sections, although the relevant information is covered in image format here currently. CMD (talk) 04:40, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Reading through, the article is very well written. "Safed" is treated in the text as two meanings, a city, and the province governed by the city, without distinction. eg. "(Mamluk province) of Safed", "under Safed's direct administration". Use should be consistent and clarified. Aside from that, I don't have many comments to make. From the text I get the impression remaining Turabay's simply faded into the remaining population, although this isn't explicitly stated. Also left as a question is what happened to the last mausoleum, although perhaps it just decayed. In terms of context, the reason for the shift of the Banu Haritha, and the timeframe where this began, might be helpful.

Article seems neutral, stable, and images are appropriately licenced. Putting this on hold, for the minor issue mentioned to be dealt with and a response on a potential timeline. Best, CMD (talk) 11:34, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: Thank you for taking up this review. This was a minor dynasty compared to the ones mentioned above. Information about their early [pre-Ottoman] origins and their demise and descendants are fragmentary, the bulk of available information centers on their role as the oft-appointed/heritable highway guards, tax farmers and sanjak governors of this relatively small corner of Palestine in the 16th-17th centuries. I addressed the Safed/Safed Sanjak discrepancies, I believe. I will look deeper into the sources present and elsewhere to determine when and why the Haritha tribe began its eastward migration. The sources present do not mention what happened to that mausoleum—shame it's no longer extant. Will research a bit further to see if I could find some information about it. I will update you in a few days/week, though I do not expect good news... Al Ameer (talk) 20:18, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: The Haritha's migration occurred in the late 17th century, before the final political demise of the Turabays, no specific year or range of years has been provided by the sources. No particular reason is given by Sharon 1975 (p. 29), Sharon 2004 (p. 177) or Ze'evi (p. 94 and note 23). Bakhit mentions nothing either. However, Sharon 1975 p. 29 note 105 points the reader to further information about the migration in d'Arvieux's Voyage dans la Palestine (1718) pp. 261–262, but these two pages only say: from *google translate*

This is how the Bedouin Arabs live and die, such as those who inhabited Mount Carmel and the surrounding area, during my time with the Great [Turabay] Emir, and that these observations were written. There has since been a lot of revolution in this Government. The Arabs who gave it madness to the authority of the Pashas no longer have it, and it is now the Turks who take it upon themselves, to the great displeasure of the Peoples, who found that of the Turabeyes very happy. These Arabs[*] have been raging in other parts of Palestine beyond the Jordan River for several years. We can give news of it in the flight, if we bring to light the remake of my Memoirs. [*]It is the strength of the Arabs of the desert not to be fixed for a long time in the same places: the beauty and the conveniences of a country attract them, they remain there as long as they can; the slightest revolution keeps them away: God formerly delivered the Provinces of Ammon and Moab to their Ancestors according to the Prophecy of Ezechiel, says Father Calmet, that they should conquer them by force of arms; but because the Caldens subjugated these Countries, and by having led the inhabitants to the Eufrat, the Arabs voiced charms of the beauty and the fertility of these Provinces, throwing themselves there and conferring there in the place of the first inhabitants: the favorable Commentator remarks that in this passage from Ezechiel the genius and the way of living of our Arabs are perfectly well expressed: their food, he says, is the dairy, their dwellings of tents, their wealth of the herds, their the mounts of camels, without cities, without villages, without houses, without fixed abodes; they move from one place and from one Province to another, depending on the weather, their fancy, and the quality of the pastures attract them there.

So all I could infer from d'Arvieux is that the Haritha bedouin migrated east because it was both in their nature, as nomads, not to remain fixed in one area, and circumstances such as the weather and quality of pastures. Would adding something along these lines suffice? As for the mausoleum, I could not find anything other than Sharon, who writes "As far as I know, it does not exist anymore". Al Ameer (talk) 17:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I think your addition of the general timeline is sufficient if the sources are that vague. Very happy to pass this now. CMD (talk) 08:02, 20 March 2021 (UTC)