User talk:Corker1

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Your edit to Benjamin Banneker

Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Benjamin Banneker, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. ——Mr. E. Sánchez ^{Wanna know my story?}/ _{Share yours with me!} 01:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Many edits

Your many individual edits via "Save page" overwhelm the history page of an article. See for example the history of Jeffereson Pier. Please use "Show preview" for each individual edit until you are satisfied with the result of all your edits. Only then should you click "Save page". — Joe Kress (talk) 23:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikilinks

Hi. I notice the work that you've put into articles like History of Washington, D.C., and would like to thank you for your help in improving the page. However, it appears that the article suffers from over linking. I would invite you to take a look at WP:OVERLINK, which describes what words should actually be linked. Best, epicAdam (talk) 20:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Washington, D.C.

Hi. I would like to discuss with you the reasons that I have reverted your edits to Washington, D.C. I have also left a message on the talk page that outlines my reasoning. Please respond there first before we continue to make and undo each others edits. Best, epicAdam (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi. As for the edits to image captions, I outlined my reasoning at Talk:Washington, D.C.#The L'Enfant Plan. The Library of Congress credits L'Enfant for the plan. I feel that crediting Ellicott for the engraving is adequate but not for the plan itself, since it wasn't his idea. According to the National Park Service, Ellicott made very superficial changes to the plan. The overall idea of the traffic circles with the National Mall in the center is very much L'Enfant's plan, to say otherwise is certainly misleading. Further, during the article's FA process it was decided by the editors that information about the design of the City of Washington would be placed under the "Cityscape" section, which is where it is mentioned. Ellicott's role in the final design is mentioned in the footnote. I wouldn't really be opposed to moving that information into the main article text, if necessary. Best, epicAdam (talk) 22:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a note about talk pages: You can just respond on your own talk page, it's not necessary to go back and forth if you don't want to. And superficial was the wrong word choice. You're absolutely correct that L'Enfant bristled at the changes that were being made, it's exactly for that reason that Washington let him go; L'Enfant wanted to micro manage every aspect of the city's construction. Despite the changes made to straighten the roads, in the grand totality of it all, the city's design still is credited to L'Enfant. It is for that reason that I object to the engraving, the "Plan of the City of Washington", being credited to Andrew Ellicott only. It may have been his drawing, but not totally his plan. The Library of Congress' collection does not credit that drawing to Ellicott and I am hesitant to credit him in the caption. Best, epicAdam (talk) 22:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I thought I'd take a minute to step back a little from the Wikipedia jargon and explain why some of us are so insistent about the caption for the 1792 plan for Washington, DC. The short of it is that everything that's in Wikipedia has to be verifiable information derived from a source deemed reliable by Wikipedia standards. One's own opinions and points of view, no matter how sensible or well founded, aren't properly included in the encyclopedia. See WP:OR for more on that. It's your view that the 1792 plan is most fairly described as Ellicott's plan, not L'Enfant's, and you've been captioning it as such in Washington, D.C. and other articles. There are two problems with that. The first - actually not really relevant here - is that it just makes no sense to give full credit to Ellicott when his plan so clearly proceeded from L'Enfant's original conception. The second problem, and the one that matters for the encyclopedia, is that all of the sources that discuss that engraving describe it as "L'Enfant's plan". Some - most? - acknowledge Ellicott's role and adjustments to the plan, but *none* of them call it "Ellicott's plan", to the exclusion of L'Enfant. As best I can tell, that characterization is entirely yours, and is not based on any reliable source at all. In fact it is contradicted by the sources. For those reasons the caption as you'd like to have it really can't stand, and after looking at the discussion, I think almost all editors would agree with me.

Does this help at all? JohnInDC (talk) 04:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Reply to WikiLinks and Washington, D.C.

Please restore my edits. If you believe that there are too many links, feel free to remove those that you believe to be excessive or redundant.

You stated that Ellicott's changes to L'Enfant's Plan were "very superficial". L'Enfant himself considered them to be far more important. His letters strenuously objected to the changes in his plan that Ellicott had made after L'Enfant had offered his letter of resignation to George Washington.

L'Enfant believed that lines of sight should be limited. His plan therefore offset some streets around plazas and elsewhere so that people would see buildings, creating a neighborhood effect. Ellicott (perhaps because he was a surveyor) preferred distant views. He therefore straightened Massachusetts Avenue and removed some of L'Enfant's plazas.

The books the the History of Washington, D.C. Wikipedia article references describe much of the above. L'Enfant's letters are consitent with this.

Perhaps one of the most significant changes that Elllicott made to L'Enfant's Plan was to radically change to shape of the present Judiciary Square area. L'Enfant's plan provided for a curved south border of the area, which L'Enfant expected would contain the Supreme Court. Ellicott eliminate the curve to produce plaza with straight sides. The current position of Indiana Avenue NW between Pennsylvania Avenue and Judiciary Square reflects this change. The Judiciary Square area would look very different if Ellicott had not made this change. Corker1 (talk) 22:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I have recently found a copy of a letter that Ellicott wrote that suggests that Ellicott himself considered that his plan was his own (and that of his brother), rather than a revision to L'Enfant's plan. His letter states:

"Philadelphia, Feby 23, 1792

Gentlemen,

On my arrival at this City, I found that no preparation was made for an engraving of the plan of the City of Washington. Upon this representation being made to the President and Secretary of State, I was directed to furnish one for an engraver, which with the aid of my Brother, was completed last Monday and handed to the President.

In this business we met with difficulties of a very serious nature. Major L'Enfant refused us the use of the original! What his motives were, God knows. - The plan which we have furnished, I believe will be found to answer the ground better than the large one in the Major's hands. … ".

(Reference: Ellicott's letter to the commissioners on engraving the plan of the city … in Bob Arnebeck's Web Pages Accessed February 5, 2009.) Corker1 (talk) 01:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

August 2008

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Regarding your edit(s) to Washington, D.C., it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thank you. JohnInDC (talk) 00:30, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Steve Fossett

FYI, I reverted a recent edit you made to the lead section of Steve Fossett. It was accurate and supported by the references, but it didn't seem to follow the guideline for an article lead section (WP:LEAD), specifically regarding conciseness. There is a section further down in the article where such detail would be more appropriate.

I appreciate your contribution and I hope you continue to help keep the quality of this article at its current high standard and help improve the overall quality of Wikipedia. Thank you. —Danorton (talk) 19:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Ben Banneker Valued Picture Nomination?

Hi. I noticed you removed the Ben Bannaker nom. First off, thanks for spotting the misinformation. However, if it's so incorrect, why is it still on the article? Just a thought. Also, I restored the text of the nomination and put it back on the VPC page so it can be closed the correct way - that should be done in the next few days. Finally, thanks for all your hard work on the wiki! :) Intothewoods29 (talk) 20:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

The misinformation is in the "Mythology of Benjamin Banneker" section of the Wikipedia article about Banneker. The "Mythology" section explains the reasons that some of the text in the Charles Alston cartoon is misinformation. Please also note that the Charles Alston cartoon was a Wikipedia Featured Picture Candidate (FPC) in April and May 2008, but was not promoted to FP (See Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Benjamin Banneker). Corker1 (talk) 21:34, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Gutenberg Book Hot Link

I have opened a new section on Silvio Bedini's discussion page regarding your unjustified reversion. Darrell_Greenwood (talk) 21:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

• Darrell Greewood: The link that you added to the text duplicated a link that was already in the reference section. Wikipedia articles should not contain redundant links. Additionally, Wikipedia articles should not contain external links within the text. Such external links distract readers, especially those that are not interested in the specific link. For that reason, I removed the external link that you added to the text.Corker1 (talk) 20:06, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

VPC

— raekyT 00:24, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Re:

I'm not going to make a separate disambig when the primary topic is a single line article that's barely more than a dictionary definition. —Xezbeth (talk) 06:36, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Peer review of the national mall article

I just noticed your submission of the National mall article for peer review. I added some general comments but the article still need quite a lot of work before I can identify specifics. I hope this helps though and please let me know if you have any questions. --Kumioko (talk) 20:30, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

David Stuart

Your improvements to this article look good. My only question is where you got the information that he and his wife had 16 children? The source I found mentioned only "5 daughters and 2 sons". Now, that might very well have been only the ones that survived to be adults, but I couldn't find any other number. Brianyoumans (talk) 16:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

See the following reference: Johnson, R. Winder (1905). The Ancestry of Rosalie Morris Johnson: Daughter of George Calvert Morris and Elizabeth Kuhn, his wife. Ferris & Leach. This is presently reference number 1 in David Stuart. The reference states on page 30 that the Stuarts' children were "said to be sixteen in number". Other sources also provide this information. A direct quote from a letter that one of Eleanor Stuart's daughters wrote states that Eleanor Stuart had borne twenty children. The twenty children included the four children that Mrs. Stuart had with her first husband, John Parke Custis. Corker1 (talk) 22:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks again for the improvements to the article. Brianyoumans (talk) 21:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

MLK Memorial

Dear Corker1, I admire your work on the page for the Martin Luther King, Jr National Memorial - which I worked on as well - but wanted to mention that unless I am wrong leads do not need references if the information is included and referenced in the text of the page. I see you've added references and referred to the statements as "undocumented," but (again, unless I'm wrong), I don't think that's necessary. (I did make sure all the facts in the lead were included and referenced in the article.) Do you think my understanding is wrong? Best wishes - and by the way, I visited the memorial and it is very, very impressive. NearTheZoo (talk) 22:14, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Found the answer to my own question:" The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none. The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article." (Quote from the wikipedia manual of style). Best wishes, NearTheZoo (talk) 22:18, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Corker!

Hi Corker1! Just wanted to stop by and say "thanks" for your contributions - I've noticed some of your DC related contributions, and it's really appreciated! On that note, if you are ever interested in meeting up with fellow DC area Wikipedians offline, we do have a DC Meetup Invite List which you can sign and then we'll let you know when we have edit-a-thons, meetups, and other cool events (including museum tours, etc). Just wanted to throw that out there in case you had interest (no pressure, of course). We also have a local chapter, which might interest you also: Wikimedia DC. Feel free to drop by my talk page if I can ever help you out with anything. SarahStierch (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I appreciate what you have done for the Benjamin Banneker page. You are doing a great job keeping the site clean.

Ghhinerm (talk) 13:56, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Washington and Old Dominion Railway

Please stop. Continuing to revert edits will be considered vandalism as well as WP:own. Further edits of this type may result in your being blocked from editing Wikipedia. The article is excessive in its WP:LENGTH, resulting in significant Wikipedia:Content forking.Oanabay04 (talk) 02:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

National Mall border

I've added a discussion topic on the talk page of the National Mall. If you'd like to discuss it further, feel free. McKay (talk) 13:27, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I responded to your comments on the talk:National Mall page. McKay (talk) 20:20, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

WP:CITEVAR

Please stop changing citation style at Deep TMS. You have two choices there: go back to the non-citation used by the first editor who created the article, or respect the citation style I established. But you may not change the citation style without consensus, and I do not enjoy working with a flawed citation style (the cite doi template). You can generate citations for the style in the article by entering a PubMed indentifier (PMID) into this template, which generates the style used on most medical articles on Wikipedia. Other than that, thank you so much for the article improvements !! Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:29, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

YOu have for the third time changed citation style without consensus, and without discussing your edits. Please review WP:3RR and understand that you can be blocked for disruptive editing if you persist. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:28, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

User:SandyGeorgia suggested that I use the pmid template for the citation style in Deep TMS. I did this. Please enter any further comments on this topic into the talk page for Deep TMS to help form a consensus. Corker1 (talk) 02:16, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

No, I am user SandyGeorgia, and I did not suggest that. Please stop changing the citation style without consensus. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:29, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Please stop posting to my user page (User:SandyGeorgia); for that, we use talk pages. I have your talk page watchlisted and will respond here. Almost every medical article on Wikipedia uses the citation style that you are altering. Regardless, if you continue changing citation style without consensus, you could be blocked. The options are the original, incomplete, non-citation (manual) style used by the first author, or the style I converted it to when I completed the incomplete citations. Stop introducing the cite doi and cite pmid templates. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:26, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Corker1: I came here to help but I don't see how to say it more clearly than SG has. I looked at the Deep TMS page, its talk page, and both of yours, and I see no evidence that SG ever suggested changing the citation style midstream. Just stick with the one that's being used, as long as there is no consensus to change it. -- Scray (talk) 03:30, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Citation templates

Please stop altering citation templates; that just creates work as a citation bot has to alter them back. [1] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:27, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

National Mall

Please don't "stuff" articles with images which don't add anything. Your addition of the "shutdown" image was worthwhile, but this latest addition was not, and just unnecessarily crowded the article, which has plenty of images already. I have reverted it.BMK (talk) 03:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

• I added the new image (National Mall in 1999) to the History section to show a comparison of views of the Mall looking east from the top of the Washington Monument towards the U.S. Capitol in 1901 and 1999. The two images show the changes in the Mall that resulted from implementation of the McMillan Plan (which is between the 1901 and 1999 images. Corker1 (talk) 04:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar of diligence

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		In appreciation of all the persistent and meticulous work you put into many of our articles on history and transportation. Samsara 19:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thank you for your improvements to the Monarch butterfly article.   Bfpage |leave a message  19:02, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Just Like A (rpa)

Whether you like it or not, you can use all the semantics in the world, it still can't take away from Benjamin Banneker accomplishments. Go and cry to someone who's willing to listen to rant! Uriel Lavi (talk) 00:04, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Rewriting History

Anyone who knew Benjamin Banneker understands his accomplishments! No matter what semantics is used to discredit him, he will always be noted as a man affiliated with the mapping of Washington, D.C. Uriel Lavi (talk) 00:14, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

• Benjamin Banneker had a number of well-documented accomplishments, including the authorship of a series of almanacs, the creation of mathematical puzzles and the predictions of eclipses. However, historical researchers have been unable to find any verifiable sources that support the idea that Banneker had any involvement in the mapping of Washington, D.C., except for his three-month assistance in Andrew Ellicott's two-year survey of the boundaries of the District of Columbia. (See Mythology and legacy of Benjamin Banneker for information and citations relevant to this point.) Corker1 (talk) 16:16, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!

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Gutenberg/World Heritage References at Bushrod Washington

Apologies if the edit summary was not self-evident.

• The article at Gutenberg here is a mirror of content at World Heritage, including the license and link to the source at Wikipedia (the line labeled "make contributions at the Citational Source" at the top of the page).
• The article at World Heritage here is a mirror of content here as noted in the same link and credit at the bottom of the page.
• Both versions are identical to the Wikipedia article before you began improving it in November.

If you feel there is some mistake, please let me know. This has been covered many times before, and World Heritage is a known mirror - they've just done a very poor job of making that clear and abiding by the CC license. Kuru (talk) 20:55, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you for your comments on my edits to Bushrod Washington. Before reading your comments, I had not recognized that the citational source for the Project Gutenberg Self-Publishing Press article on Bushrod Washington is actually the Wikipedia article on that subject. As you stated, the Gutenberg article's original source is quite obscure. I have therefore removed the information in the Wikipedia article that the Gutenberg article contains except where I was able to find one or more sources that I consider to be reliable. Corker1 (talk) 01:14, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Your edits to Washington Redskins name controversy

While I appreciate any edits to this article, the recent effort to bring it to Good Article status mainly involved the reduction of detail that had made it almost 300k, difficult to read and edit. Since I had added most of that detail, it was only during the collaboration on the Good Article review that I came to appreciate the validity of Wikipedia:Summary style and splitting off of sub-topics into their own articles and only including essential content in the main article. It remains a large article at 100k, and the Arlington County and DC resolutions were part of the previous content that was moved to List of Washington Redskins name change advocates. Therefore I have removed the content from the main article again. I have also removed the detail added to the Controversy section regarding the Oneida Nation of New York. The wikilink to the Oneida article provides even more detail regarding the tribe's demographics and sources of income. If such additions continued, the article would soon return to its previous bloated state. FriendlyFred (talk) 03:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

please don't unnecessarily rewrite article's references, it erodes the utility of diffs

Please don't unnecessarily rewrite article's references, as you did at Libby Garvey. Doing so erodes the utility of diffs.

There is a principle, in engineering, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

I like putting every field of a {{cite}} template on a line of its own. But, when I see something to be fixed in a {{cite}} template someone else wrote, I fix the template without converting it to my preferred form, if that is possible, so I don't erode the utility of diffs. Please follow my example. Geo Swan (talk) 15:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia requires proper attribution

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from L'Enfant Plan into History of Washington, D.C.. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. The attribution has been provided for this situation, but if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for that duplication. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. If you are the sole author of the prose that was moved, attribution is not required. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:20, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Bullet points

Hello. I noticed you using bullet points for some of your comments while cleaning up Talk:Benjamin Banneker - WP:THREAD discourages mixing bullet points with regular indentation. Bullets are usually only used for polls and RFCs. --McGeddon (talk) 22:21, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Fort Ethan Allen (Arlington, Virginia)

Thanks for all your work expanding the article! JohnPomeranz (talk) 14:59, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Blog comments

Good work on the "Marshall House plaque" in various articles. One quibble though - blog comments are not adequate sources for an article. [2] Please see WP:SELFPUBLISH, which says:

Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published media, or user generated sources, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs (as distinguished from newsblogs, above), content farms, Internet forum postings, and social media postings, are largely not acceptable as sources. Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications.

In this case, a blog comment calling for a boycott is not really significant enough to merit inclusion. If it were, imagine all the things that'd end up in Wikipedia! Mobi Ditch (talk) 19:54, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

I looked into Meg Groeling's background, and I'd say that her own work is OK, even when published in a blog, because she is a recognized expert, having been published by established publishers.[3] It's just the comments in response to her blog that don't qualify. If the calls for a boycott are reported in a reliable source then that'd be OK. Mobi Ditch (talk) 03:38, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Synthesis?

Hi Corker,

I just saw this edit and noticed that the sentence could be read to imply that Banneker influenced the Declaration of Independence. If there is a source supporting that view, then I think it should be more clearly stated. Otherwise, giving this impression should be avoided per WP:SYNTH.

With the most profound respect,

Samsara 10:04, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Samsara: My edit restored the words drafter of the United States Declaration of Independence that another editor had removed from a sentence in the lead section of Benjamin Banneker. The sentence states in regard to Banneker: He corresponded with Thomas Jefferson, drafter of the United States Declaration of Independence, on the topics of slavery and racial equality.

The restored words inform readers of Jefferson's most notable accomplishment prior to the dates of the correspondence. Because the sentence is in the article's lead, the sentence does not provide the date of Jefferson's draft or the dates of any of the referenced correspondence.

This is consistent with the wording of all other sentences in the lead. The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents. The lead gives the basics in a nutshell and cultivates interest in reading on. Lead sections therefore need to be concise (see MOS:LEAD).

While some readers may consider that the sentence implies that this correspondence occurred around the time that Jefferson was drafting the Declaration, the lead should encourage many to read the section entitled Correspondence with Thomas Jefferson to obtain more information about the subject. The first sentence of that section states: On August 19, 1791, after departing the federal capital area, Banneker wrote a letter to Thomas Jefferson, who in 1776 had drafted the United States Declaration of Independence and in 1791 was serving as the United States Secretary of State. The readers will then recognize that Banneker could not have influenced the Declaration of Independence.

If you have any further suggestions or comments about this matter, please respond to the above. Corker1 (talk) 23:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I believe the sentence is misleading as Jefferson was not the drafter of the constitution at the time of the correspondence. As you rightly say, that process had been completed. Samsara 00:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@Samsara: I have disambiguated the sentence in response to your comments. The sentence now states: He corresponded with Thomas Jefferson, who had earlier drafted the United States Declaration of Independence, on the topics of slavery and racial equality.

Thank you for your comments. Corker1 (talk) 05:59, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

National Mall

As requested, I have added my reasoning to my edits to the National Mall talk page. I will not be touching this page and leave it as you want it. Blazing Liberty (talk) 12:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

self-closed tags

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. In your work on Benjamin Banneker, you are sometimes closing HTML tags with the slash at the beginning rather than the end. The closing tag for <sup> is </sup>, with the slash at the beginning, not the end. When the slash is at the end, it's called a self-closed tag. Some tags can be self-closed, and the most common example is <ref name="blah" />, which is used when <ref name="blah"> is already defined somewhere else in the article, and you want to use it and close it in one step. Otherwise, you would have to use the more cumbersome <ref name="blah"></ref>. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:07, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution (2nd request)

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from National Mall into Dutch elm disease. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. The attribution has been provided for this situation, but if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for that duplication. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. If you are the sole author of the prose that was copied, attribution is not required. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 15:10, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

@Diannaa (talk) Thank you for your messages on this subject. I was the sole author of the prose that I copied in the two instances that you have cited. Corker1 (talk) 20:09, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Onetwothreeip

Are you intending to report this user for his uncollaborative attitude? After reviewing his pattern of edits in several topics, I think his behavior is unlikely to improve, and something needs to be done about it before he wastes any more of other people's time. 2600:1004:B108:1795:3044:8CE2:9571:D868 (talk) 01:53, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

@JalenFolf: @BullRangifer: Please review all of the comments on Onetwothreeip's user page. You will find that Onetwothreeip splits articles without seeking or acheiving consensus or notifying previous editors, creates orphan articles, removes links to references in a manner that makes it impossible for others to access original sources and refuses to cooperate with other editors to correct the damage that Onetwothreeip has done to Wikipedia.

Please also read the recent history of Onetwothreeip's user page. Onetwothreeip has recently removed comments that I have made on that page without notifying me or performing an "undo" action, which would automatically notify me of these actions. Onetwothreeip may have previously performed such actions earlier in response to other critical comments that editors have placed on Onetwothreeip's user page.

Because of this repeated pattern of non-cooperativeness and deception, Onetwothreeip's actions need to be reported to Wikipedia's administrators for appropriate corrective action. If you wish to report Onetwothreeip's actions to the administrators, please proceed.

It would be best if more than one editor reports Onetwothreeip's misuse of Wikipedia. Please therefore inform me of any action that you may take. I will follow-up with a similar action.

Thank you. Corker1 (talk) 06:21, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

2600:1004:B108:1795:3044:8CE2:9571:D868: Please see above. If you concur, you can initiate the process by informing Wikipedia's administrators of Onetwothreeip's actions.

Thank you. Corker1 (talk) 06:34, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

The correct place to make such a report would be Wikipedia:AN or Wikipedia:ANI, with diffs showing his pattern of behavior. I agree that this needs to be done, but I'm the wrong person to do it. It should be done by an experienced Wikipedian, not by an unregistered user. 2600:1004:B108:1795:3044:8CE2:9571:D868 (talk) 06:52, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

To put it bluntly, you have devoted far too much time and far too many edits to me personally. Often these have been very lengthy edits that I have tried to make sense of, following up on most of them. You say things like that a certain article is an orphan, but it's not, so I don't know what more there is to talk about. I think it would be best if we edit articles rather than engage in this. Onetwothreeip (talk) 07:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

FYI, someone else has made such a report: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Undiscussed_split However, it's only about a single case of his behavior, not about the long-term pattern.

I'm not able to participate in the report directly, because only registered users can edit that page. But this probably is the best opportunity for the rest of his behavior to be brought to the attention of administrators, if you or one of the other editors who's familiar with it would like to bring it up there. If you decide to comment about it there, I recommend pinging some of the other editors who have participated in the earlier discussions about him. 2600:1004:B16B:F542:458D:473F:2506:D12A (talk) 22:41, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

I regret that the issues around splitting the Benjamin Banneker article were drawn out, but I am glad that this is an issue that has been resolved, and I thank Corker1 for its conclusion. They are free to raise further concerns with me, but it seems that's all behind us now. We don't need continued drama, and it would be a much better use of everyone's time if we stuck to editing articles for now. Onetwothreeip (talk) 05:40, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

@Onetwothreeip: @BullRangifer: 2600:1004:B108:1795:3044:8CE2:9571:D868:

Onetwothreeip: Your message above stated: "... this is an issue that has been resolved". You appear to have misunderstood the message that I placed on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Cban against implementing article splits for Onetwothreeip. My message began "Strong support Cban".

Please read Cban (Community bans and restrictions). As you can see in the discussion on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Cban against implementing article splits for Onetwothreeip, the community is reaching a consensus to impose this type of sanction on you. Your refusal to adequately respond to comments by a number of editors is helping to achieve consensus. I therefore suggest that you place a message on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Cban against implementing article splits for Onetwothreeip that states that you will stop spliting Wikipedia articles. Corker1 (talk) 19:33, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

As I've said, please feel free to ask me any questions you would like for me to respond. Onetwothreeip (talk) 01:18, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Splits up for deletion

This is just one example of what is happening with some of the splits. See here. 123ip gets notifications, so search their talk page history. What was once a good article gets split, and then the split becomes unstable or not worth keeping. -- BullRangifer (talk) 16:42, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

@BullRangifer: Onetwothreeip's split of Mythology and commemorations of Benjamin Banneker has resulted in a similar effect. Except when recently edited, one of the products of the split (Commemorations of Benjamin Banneker) is now receiving fewer than ten pageviews per day, some of which are my own. The split therefore created an article that attracts few readers. Corker1 (talk) 17:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I've been pinged here so I'll just say that I am not against the deletion of List of Teen Wolf minor characters. I don't make judgements on the notability of content that already exists when splitting the article, given that the content already existed. The issue in that deletion discussion is not that the article was split, but the content itself. If that article does get deleted, the content would just have been removed from the main article if it wasn't already split out. Onetwothreeip (talk) 21:36, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

April 2020

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Recent edit to 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Virginia

In a recent edit you added webarchive links most of which are valid. However, adding webarchive links will not work when the content at that URL is updated daily, such as at the VDH website/URL about COVID-19 in Virginia. There is no saving of the VDH.gov website as it appeared when 10 deaths were announced, etc. therefore the webarchive linkage is invalid. - Shearonink (talk) 21:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shearonink: Thanks for catching this. I have removed the archive url for the VDH.gov website that you identified. I will do this in the future whenever I again use a bot that archives the url for that website. Corker1 (talk) 22:11, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Banneker

This is to let you know that at least one reader notes, and appreciates, your well-documented work on Banneker. deisenbe (talk) 09:56, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Reference style

I've noticed on some of your recent edits (such as at Metroliner (train) that you place multiple sources between the same reference tags, numbering the sources within those tags. Please do not do this. Each separate reference source needs to be placed between separate reference tags, as that auto generates the appropriate number for the reference list below. I have already corrected them at the Metroliner article as well as at High-speed rail in the United States, bit would ask you to do the same for other places where you've made the same inappropriate formatting. Thank you. oknazevad (talk) 06:32, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Abingdon (plantation)

Hello, I've noticed that you've been editing recently this article, mostly by revising references. May you do the same to the Italian article, the only existent in another language in Wikipedia, please? No need to change anything else, just to fix the same few things you've fixed in the English article about references! If you don't want to do it, no problem, but if you will do it, thank you very much :-)

Well, you know, a "sorry but I'm not interested/I've got no time and I can't help you" would have been at least polite... :-(

I generally respond to requests on my Talk page in a message to the requestor's Talk page or by pinging the requestor. However, the above requestor did not sign the requesting message. Therefore, I could not do either of these things.

Abingdon (piantagione) in the Italian Wikipedia has received an average of only 1 view per day during the past 12 months. I made 36 recent edits to Abingdon (plantation) on 11 June 2020 and 12 June 2020. All except one of these were minor edits. Each edit either revised existing references or were editorial changes to existing text (which only a person who can write in the Italian language can change in the Italian Wikipedia). I therefore chose to not place those edits in Abingdon (piantagione). However, a bilingual editor can make those changes if desired. Corker1 (talk) 05:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

OK, no problems, thanks anyway. I'll try doing it by myself or asking somebody else. However, I don't understad why you don't usually reply in your own talk page when it's an IP user who writes, it's even simpler for both reading the discussion in a single talk page instead of jumping from one page to the other.

July 2020

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Benjamin Banneker. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. I'm sorry, "unjustified vandalism"? Drmies (talk) 18:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Reference formatting

I see this what mentioned above, but if you noticed references on the Pike article were formatted individually, not grouped together. I have no clue why they would be grouped like that, since it would make it more difficult to cite only one of the articles in the rest of the page. Thank you for updating the arrest info, but if you add any more sources, please use the same format as the other inline citations. APK whisper in my ear 21:56, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@User:AgnosticPreachersKid The format that I used for my references is a type of "bundling", which Help:Citation merging#Usage describes. Therefore, the format that I used is acceptable, although it is uncommon. Help:Citation merging#Usage states that "bundling" has several advantages:

It helps readers and other editors see at a glance which source supports which point, maintaining text–source integrity;

It avoids the visual clutter of multiple clickable footnotes inside a sentence or paragraph;

It avoids the confusion of having multiple sources listed separately after sentences, with no indication of which source to check for each part of the text, such as this.[1][2][3][4]

It makes it less likely that inline citations will be moved inadvertently when text is re-arranged, because the footnote states clearly which source supports which point.

Help:Citation merging#Usage also states that "bundling" has several disadvanges. However, when there are more than two related footnotes (as is the case with the footnotes that I placed in the Pike article, the advantages appear to outweigh disadvantages.

I agree that, in general, all citations within an artcle should have the same format. However, since "bundling" is uncommon, that would preclude its use in nearly all WP articles, as many editors are not aware that "bundling" is acceptable.

Further, some editors would bundle only two citations, while others would bundle only when there are many more citations. Therefore, "bundling" is one of those instances in which consistency among formats within the same article would be nearly impossible to achieve. Corker1 (talk) 22:43, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok but if you could stick with the same format when there's already dozens of other citations, especially on something that's a GA ,I'd appreciate it. Thanks. APK whisper in my ear 22:54, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Washington and Old Dominion Railroad

Your edit re-inserted the spelling "Virgina". Also regarding br tags, the closed form is useful for syntax highlighters (see Help:HTML in wikitext#br). While strictly speaking, the closing slash is not necessary, it is neither invalid nor harmful, and it costs you nothing to leave it there for people who use syntax highlighting. kennethaw88 • talk 15:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@User:kennethaw88: I apologize for not retaining your correction of the misspelling of "Virginia". I did not see the correction before I reverted your edit.

I have often removed the closing slash and its preceding space from br tags in articles, as they appeared to have needlessly used resources and to have been distracting. However, as you have informed me that the closing space and slash helps some readers and editors, I will not remove these in the future and will add them whenever I insert a br tag. I have also restored your edit to Washington and Old Dominion Railroad.

Thanks for the information and for informing me of the link to Help:HTML in wikitext#br. Corker1 (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Mythology of Benjamin Banneker

Dear Corker1,

I appreciate all the work that you have done on this page. However, you have recently twice reverted my edits to a language template in a citation, when I changed your wikilinked Catalan to its ISO-693-1 code "ca".

In addition to asking you to glance at the ""Category:cs1 unrecognized language" page that I mentioned in both of my edit summaries, I direct you to the paragraph at Help:Citation_Style_1#Language. Although it is not a Wikipedia policy or guideline, it is a how-to that states two relevant points. First, language codes are preferable to language names so that if another editor copies the citation for use on a page in another Wikipedia language, it will continue to render correctly in that language. Second, and unambiguously, "Do not use templates or wikilinks". This information also is in the bullet point "language" in the paragraph at Template:Cite_web#Title.

Use of your format also does not permit the page to be added to "Category:CS1 French-language sources (fr)" page as it should be – and as the page for Benjamin Banneker is, which has correctly formatted language tags.

I have cleared to the greatest extent possible the "Category:cs1 unrecognized language" page. At the time I am writing this message, the only remaining pages are those with languages that are not recognized by CS1, those in the draft namespace, and one in the Wikipedia namespace that has been archived and is not supposed to be edited. Yours is now the only page in all of English Wikipedia that contains a language recognized by CS1 but formatted with a wikilink. I will allow you time to respond in case there is a Wikipedia policy that states otherwise, but your reversions of my edits go against a well-established consensus.

Ira

Ira Leviton (talk) 14:09, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Ira Leviton: Because Template:Cite_web#Title states "Do not use templates or wikilinks." in the bullet point "language", I have reverted my edit.

Thanks for providing the link to Template:Cite_web#Title. Corker1 (talk) 19:10, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Archived links

What do you mean by "computer access to live links within this article, because access to |archiveurl=....| is slow" and "to improve computer access to the article's live links"? What computer? Are you referring to the time it takes to parse the wikitext into html? Or the time it takes to parse the HTML in your browser? I am confused. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 13:19, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

@AManWithNoPlan: Here is the problem, with an example. If your computer and WiFi connections operate at high speed, you may not experience the problem. However, I and many other WP users often experience it.

Click on ""Benjamin Banneker: Surveyor-Inventor-Astronomer mural". Archived 2017-11-01 at the Wayback Machine" to access a live web page. (Don't click on the word "Archived".) Your computer should access the live web page within one or two seconds, as my computer does.

Now click on ""Benjamin Banneker: Surveyor-Inventor-Astronomer mural". Archived from the original on 2017-11-01.". My computer takes about 30 seconds to access the web page (which is an archived page) on its first attempt after I have clicked on the link; however, access is often faster on later attempts because my computer has a memory. You may experience similar delays when using your computer, although you may not. While users can quickly access the live orginal web page by clicking on "the original", few will do this before they have experienced delays when clicking on the link to the archived web page.

Your edits (using the bot) delete all links to "Archived 2017-11-01 at the Wayback Machine" and links to other archived web pages with other archive dates. Your edits replace those links with ""Benjamin Banneker: Surveyor-Inventor-Astronomer mural". Archived from the original on 2017-11-01." or other archived web pages with other archive dates. Your edits therefore delay user access to the information that they are seeking when clicking on the links. 

Therefore, if you use the bot, please manually remove the above types of changes that the bot makes when the link to the original web page is live and the WP article contains "Archived 2017-11-01 at the Wayback Machine" or links to other archived web pages with other archive dates.

Thank you. Corker1 (talk) 21:15, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I did do that the second time. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 21:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

@AManWithNoPlan: If you review your edit at Revision as of 20:41, 11 December 2020, you will see that you did not manually remove approximately 155 of the above types of changes that the bot made when the link to the original web page was live and the WP article contained "Archived 2017-11-01 at the Wayback Machine" or links to other archived web pages with other archive dates. That is the reason that I found it necessary to revert your edit. Corker1 (talk) 04:19, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Here is one example of what you reverted. The title link is to the original, because status is set to live. before: Highsmith, Carol M. (photographer). ""Benjamin Banneker: Surveyor-Inventor-Astronomer", mural by Maxime Seelbinder, at the Recorder of Deeds building, built in 1943. 515 D St., NW, Washington, D.C." (photograph). Washington, D.C.: Library of Congress. Retrieved 2017-11-05. Archived 2017-11-01 at the Wayback Machine

After: Highsmith, Carol M. (photographer). ""Benjamin Banneker: Surveyor-Inventor-Astronomer", mural by Maxime Seelbinder, at the Recorder of Deeds building, built in 1943. 515 D St., NW, Washington, D.C." (photograph). Washington, D.C.: Library of Congress. Archived from the original on November 1, 2017. Retrieved 2017-11-05.

@AManWithNoPlan: I now understand the revisions that you made. I have therefore restored your edit.

Please note, however, that archived links to references in Google Books usually disappear after several days. I therefore suggest that you check your edits periodically to determine whether archived links to references in Google Books that you add (such as those that you added to Benjamin Banneker) are still functional. If the archived links no longer function, I suggest that you remove them to allow readers to quickly access the link to the orginal reference.

Alternatively, when you make your edits, you can assure that you have not made any that added archived links to references in Google Books. There is no real need to archive links to Google Books, as Google Books will almost certainly remain active for the forseeable future. Corker1 (talk) 17:32, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I regularly remove google books archives myself from pages for that reason. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 17:50, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Removal of active links

@AManWithNoPlan: Your 16:52, 15 December 2020 Revision to National Mall using Citation bot removed several portions of important live links to Google Books, including "&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false". Your removal of those portions of the links redirected the links from the books' title pages (often the books' front covers) to Google's main pages for the books. I have therefore reverted your revision.

I have previously reported this type of error to User talk:Citation bot. However, the error still exists. Please therefore correct the error whenever using Citation bot. Thank you. Corker1 (talk) 16:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Whether or not that is an error is a matter of opinion. Please discuss on the bot page. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 21:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

@AManWithNoPlan: I have discussed this matter in response to your comments on the bot's Talk page. Corker1 (talk) 22:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Forced image sizes

With some of your edits to Postage stamps and postal history of the United States‎ you are changing the image size from a dynamic size to a forced images size. You should not do that because different users may set their preference differently, so an image forced to 150px on a 27" screen looks tiny even if it look ok on your screen. Instead you should use a value for the "upright" code, such as "upright=0.7" which equals about 150px. That way the users preferences determine the size relative to their screen. Where possible you should change them. You might want to read MOS:IMGSIZE in detail if you don't know this already. ww2censor (talk) 16:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ww2censor: Thanks for tip. I have changed the values of the images on Postage stamps and postal history of the United States‎ to "upright=(value)" where appropriate. I will also use this format in all images that I add to WP articles. Corker1 (talk) 17:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Multiple sources per footnote

Hi, I see that on List of common misconceptions, you have in several cases combined multiple footnotes into a single footnote with numbered parts. This isn't standard style in any reference or scholarly style sheet that I'm aware of, and I haven't seen it on Wikipedia before. Is it a new standard on Wikipedia? If so, where is it documented in the Manual of Style? Thanks, --Macrakis (talk) 18:57, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Macrakis:The format that I used for my references is a type of "bundling", which Help:Citation merging#Usage describes. Help:Citation merging#Usage states that "bundling" has several advantages:

It helps readers and other editors see at a glance which source supports which point, maintaining text–source integrity;

It avoids the visual clutter of multiple clickable footnotes inside a sentence or paragraph;

It avoids the confusion of having multiple sources listed separately after sentences, with no indication of which source to check for each part of the text, such as this.[1][2][3][4]

It makes it less likely that inline citations will be moved inadvertently when text is re-arranged, because the footnote states clearly which source supports which point.

One or more prior editors of List of common misconceptions bundled a number of citations by inserting bullets for each citation within single footnotes. I changed the bullets to numbers and increased the number of bundled citations. These changes increase readability and ease of citing references within the article. Corker1 (talk) 19:59, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer. I wasn't aware of the bundling format. I don't see the advantage of numbering the individual references, though, and that format isn't mentioned in the Citation merging page. Bullets seem cleaner and more readable to me. --Macrakis (talk) 20:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Macrakis: You are correct when stating that the Citation merging page does not describe the individual numbering of bundled citations. However, the numbering of bundled citations is only a minor modification of the bundling procedure. As I stated above, numbering increases the ease of identifying and citing references within the article.

To determine whether numbering makes List of common misconceptions more readable than does bulleting, I suggest that you compare the present version of the page with the version that existed before I made my changes. If you believe that the earlier version was more readable or more useful than is the present version, you can change to bullets each of the numbers that I have placed within the footnotes. Corker1 (talk) 20:30, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I do prefer the bulleted form, except for one thing: the first bullet starts a new line, which is exceptionally ugly; that could be fixed by using "• " explicitly, but it seems poor form to hack in a special case for the first "*". Then again, "(1) " has the same problem (duplicating #). How about "1. " to make it a little lighter visually? --Macrakis (talk) 20:45, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Macrakis:Replacing "(1)" with "1." would result in a duplication of the format that WP automatically inserts for each footnote. WP would automatically insert a superscripted pointer (∧) between the two numbers.

The reader would see "5.∧1." (with the pointer superscripted) for the first citation in the fifth footnote and an indented "2." for the second citation in that footnote. This could confuse readers while not providing a large benefit. Corker1 (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I see what you mean!

I've mocked up various formats on User:Macrakis/bundled. Using "a." instead of "1." looks pretty good, though to my eye, "•" looks better. "a." has the advantage that "footnote 23a" works, but "1." would have to be something like "footnote 23/1".

By the way, I see that one of the references here has gotten screwed up along the way, too. The full article in the second one is volume 45, issue 1, pages 21-41 (45:1:21–41), specifically on pages 31 and 39 of this 20-page article. But it is being formatted bizarrely, with quotation marks. --Macrakis (talk) 22:17, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

I fixed the Polgar formatting by reverting to the old version -- maybe someone who's better at templates than me can re-template it. I also fixed the Raw Truth reference to be complete. --Macrakis (talk) 22:29, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Macrakis: "a." looks good, but I prefer numbers. When needed for additional information, I place letters after the numbers. However, if you would like to change all of the numbers to letters, I would have no objections.

Thanks for informing me of the formatting error in the citation to the Polgar article. I have reformatted the citation and added a link to a synopsis of the article, as well as other information. The page containing the synopsis contains a link that downloads the complete article, which is written in English. I also changed the formatting of the citation to the Raw Truth article to match the formatting of the citation to the Polgar article. Corker1 (talk) 01:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

OK, I'm done changing (1) to a. etc. in the article. I've also cleaned up some other things: consistently using <br /> rather than <br> or <br/>; some typos; etc.

Looking at the result, I still think that bullets would make more sense than either number or letters, but we agreed on the letters. --Macrakis (talk) 23:28, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

@Macrakis: I have reviewed your edits to the footnotes in List of common misconceptions. I consider that the parentheses that you removed from the footnotes helped identify the beginning and end of each citation in a footnote. However, the parentheses added clutter to the footnotes. I have therefore retained those edits.

I found that you used bullets, rather than letters, to identify the listed citations in the footnote that begins with the word "conversate". Please therefore note that Help:Citation merging#Usage states: "Within a given article, only a single layout should be used." I therefore replaced that bulleted list with a lettered list.

Thanks for correcting the typographical errors that I made, including those that occurred when I inadvertently added <br> or <br/> instead of <br />. Corker1 (talk) 01:29, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

John B Judkins Company moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, John B Judkins Company, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:16, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

@Onel5969: I did not create the article entitled John B Judkins Company. On 16:18, 7 May 2021, I redirected John B Judkins Company to John B. Judkins Company to add a period after the letter "B". I therefore suggest that you inform the creator of the article entitled John B Judkins Company of your concerns and actions. Corker1 (talk) 15:05, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Corker1, apologies. That happens automatically to the first editor on the page. Will post on the other editor's page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

@Onel5969: Thanks. Corker1 (talk) 15:26, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Pesticide topics

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You have shown interest in genetically modified organisms, commercially produced agricultural chemicals and the companies that produce them, broadly construed. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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Template:Z33 KoA (talk) 02:30, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm mostly letting you know about this because you are reinserting content in some areas of the article relating to pesticides, which are under a 1RR restriction. Part of that restriction is the expectation that you also aren't reinserting content that has already been disputed and are expecting to gain consensus for it instead. You are making a lot of edits and missing a bit when people try to chime in and point things out, so I highly suggest slowing down and addressing issues. KoA (talk) 02:34, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@KoA: I am not aware of any edits that I made that relate to pesticides, including any that may have reinserted content that others had removed. Please therefore identify those edits.

In addition, you recently reverted a paragraph that I had added that had provided information regarding the Mayors' Monarch Pledge. You had earlier reverted my initial addition of this information, stating "Lacks independent coverage and not real indication of WP:WEIGHT or specifics. Better to have actual actions listed than random policy initiatives."

I therefore added a sentence that stated "The United States Fish and Wildlife Service and non-governmental organizations have encouraged communities to take the pledge, which more than 300 have already done in the United States, Canada and Mexico." I supported that sentence with in-line citations to several different sources of the information in the sentence. Each citation contained quotes from the source that verified the information that the sentence contained.

In my opinion, the sentence and the cited quotes clearly demonstrate the WP:WEIGHT of the Mayors' Monarch Pledge, as well as the fact that there is independent coverage of the subject. The paragraph, when supplemented by the additional sentence and the cited quotes, provided much specific information about the subject and its weight.

Nevertheless, you again reverted my edits, stating "Clean up edit warring, still not showing significant coverage. Please follow WP:ONUS rather than trying to reinsert content." WP:ONUS states: "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." However, I am presently unable to achieve consensus for approval because you did not explain why my coverage of the Mayors' Monarch Pledge was not "significant".

Please therefore explain why my coverage of the Mayors' Monarch Pledge was not "significant". I need this explanation before I a seek a third opinion (WP:THIRD) to help achieve WP:CON on the subject. Corker1 (talk) 04:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

For whatever reason, the ping did not show for me back when you commented, and normally content discussion belongs on the article talk page. That said, your mention of the USFWS would be a WP:SYNTH violation. We would need to know why that one particular city's policy that does involve things like pesticides is so notable compared to all others out there, and we can't handwave by USFWS making a general recommendation to assert DUE for something they didn't actually comment on. KoA (talk) 04:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

@KoA: @KoA: You stated: "We would need to know why that one particular city's policy that does involve things like pesticides". However, neither the "Mayor's Monarch Pledge", my statement related to the United States Fish and Wildlife Service, or any city's policy that I cited involved pesticides. (For information about the "Mayor's Monarch Pledge, see https://www.nwf.org/MayorsMonarchPledge/About/Pledge-Action-Items.) Please therefore explain why you are bringing pesticides into this discussion citing a policy relating to pesticides when justifying your deletions of text that I have added. Please also explain why you have deleted information that I added relating to the "Mayor's Monarch Pledge". The Pledge is clearly related to Monarch butterfly and my additions contained no WP:SYNTH. Corker1 (talk) 04:54, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

From your link Change ordinances so herbicides, insecticides, or other chemicals used in the community are not harmful to pollinators.. It shouldn't take an entomologist to tell you what's in your source. Pesticides are almost always involved in pollinator protection plan goals (and rightly so). Pollinator friendly habitat is also typically tied into that subject even if not mentioned explicitly, and the discretionary sanctions are broadly construed anyways. That all should be moot point anyways because the whole point of alerting you to these sanctions months ago was to caution you about edit warring that shouldn't have been happening anyways, but to especially caution because you were drifting into a much more strict area. You are welcome for the assistance.

As for the content, the burden is on you, not me, to establish significance through other sources. It's been months and there's nothing on the article talk page to establish how this one policy program that has pretty standard language that we use in pollinator protection programs stands out among the rest. Why bother naming this one in particular? Where's the significant independent coverage? KoA (talk) 05:20, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

@KoA: @KoA: You stated: "From your link Change ordinances so herbicides, insecticides, or other chemicals used in the community are not harmful to pollinators.." That statement is not in my link ("Mayor's Monarch Pledge" at https://www.nwf.org/MayorsMonarchPledge/About/Pledge-Action-Items). Why did you cite it? Where did it come from?

You stated: "there's nothing on the article talk page to establish how this one policy program that has pretty standard language that we use in pollinator protection programs stands out among the rest." That is correct. There was nothing in the article talk page about this policy program (Mayor's Monarch Pledge) because the Pledge does not have the so-called "pretty standard language" that some sources may use in pollinator protection programs.

You stated "Pesticides are almost always involved in pollinator protection plan goals (and rightly so)" Wrong!!! That is only true in rural areas. Farmers use pesticides to increase food production. However, mayors govern cities and towns. As a rule, cities and towns avoid the use of pesticides, as they are often toxic to humans, birds, etc. The only exception to this rule occurs when a major insect infestation is destroying the city's tree canopy or is endangering human health (such as an outbreak of a mosquito-borne disease). Policies designed to create or restore monarch habitats in cities and towns may therefore contain limitations on the use of herbicides, but have no limitations on pesticide usage.

The Mayor's Monarch Pledge is specific to monarch butterflies. The Pledge contains nothing about creating or restoring habitat for other pollinators, some of which feed on trees that insect infestations may endanger. I therefore do not understand why you cited "pollinator protection plan goals". Those goals are inherently different from goals specifically related to the creation and restoration of monarch butterfly habitats.

Urban and suburban monarch habitats contain butterfly gardens and meadows. These contain neither trees nor mosquito habitat (standing water). As a result, there is rarely, if ever, a need to use pesticides in a city or town's monarch habitat. You don't need to be an entomologist to understand this.

You stated: Why bother naming this one in particular? Where's the significant independent coverage?. If you choose to read the references in the last version of the text that you removed, you will find citations to independent coverage of the Pledge. Corker1 (talk) 07:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Why did you cite it? Where did it come from?. You just posted the link in your previous comment. Please do not waste other editors time like that or by letting your personal assumptions about municipalities go on tangents. I will not respond here further due to that. KoA (talk) 14:08, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

@KoA: @KoA: We have a big problem. I have searched all of my previous messages on this page. I found no messages with a link to Change ordinances so herbicides, insecticides, or other chemicals used in the community are not harmful to pollinators.. None of the messages that you have sent to me contain an active link.

As I have stated, I have sent you only one link ("Mayor's Monarch Pledge" at https://www.nwf.org/MayorsMonarchPledge/About/Pledge-Action-Items). Nothing in that link mentions "herbicides, insecticides, or other chemicals".

Please therefore send me an active link to Change ordinances so herbicides, insecticides, or other chemicals used in the community are not harmful to pollinators. I require this information to determine the origin of the statement. The statement appears to be irrelevant to the "Mayor's Monarch Pledge", which you removed from Monarch butterflies without a presently verifiable justification. Corker1 (talk) 19:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

I'll indulge one last time. I suggest reading the link you just posted (again). All you had to do was use a search function in your browser or look for item 28 in the list. In the future, please read the sources you are using rather than demanding something that is in there doesn't exist. KoA (talk) 00:44, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@KoA: @KoA: Thanks for indulging me. I can finally recognize the issues involved.

Item 28 (Change ordinances so herbicides, insecticides, or other chemicals used in the community are not harmful to pollinators.) is an "Action Item" that is not within the "Mayors Monarch Pledge" itself. An explanation in the webpage that contains the Pledge states: "Mayors and heads of local or tribal government who have taken the Mayors’ Monarch Pledge must commit to implement at least three of the 30 "Action Items" within a year of taking the pledge."

Government leaders taking the pledge therefore do not commit themselves to take any actions regarding insecticides. They can select as few as three of the remaining 29 "Action Items" when making their commitments.

Because a committment to Item 28 is optional, I see no reason to for it to trigger WP:AC/DS. Further, the text in a box at the top of WP:AC/DS states: "This page in a nutshell: Discretionary sanctions is a special system that creates an acceptable and collaborative environment for our most contentious and strife-torn articles."

Few, if any, editors would consider Monarch butterfly to be one of Wikipedia's "most contentious and strife-torn articles." Even fewer would consider that the addition to an article of a discussion of an optional pledge with an optional action item would make the article "contentious and strife-torn" when the addition does not mention a controversial subject (e.g., pesticides) .

I therefore do not concur that my addition to Monarch butterfly of the "Mayor's Monarch Pledge" or any of my edits relating to that addition are subject to WP:AC/DS. None my additions to Monarch butterfly have mentioned or will mention pesticides.

If you wish to further contest my addition of the "Mayor's Monarch Pledge" to Monarch butterfly or to retain your reversion of my addition, please copy this entire section ("Pesticide topics") to the Monarch butterfly Talk page. This would be the first step to achieving a consensus on the retention or removal of my addition. Corker1 (talk) 03:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Georgetown Car Barn

Hello Corker1, I'm just letting you know that I've rolled back your recent edits on Georgetown Car Barn for two reasons. Your copyedits breaking up standard-sized paragraphs into many short ones is unwarranted. While having numerous paragraphs of no more than two sentences is very common in journalism, it is not good practice elsewhere, including on WP. Moreover, several of your edits replaced references with archival WP:BAREURLS. That was not helpful because the existing references were necessary to support the adjacent text. Please feel free to ping me if you would like to discuss this further. Ergo Sum 16:29, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello Corker1, I'm just letting you know that I've rolled back your recent edits on Georgetown Car Barn for two reasons. Your copyedits breaking up standard-sized paragraphs into many short ones is unwarranted. While having numerous paragraphs of no more than two sentences is very common in journalism, it is not good practice elsewhere, including on WP. Moreover, several of your edits replaced references with archival WP:BAREURLS. That was not helpful because the existing references were necessary to support the adjacent text. Please feel free to ping me if you would like to discuss this further. Ergo Sum 16:29, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ergo Sum: WP:BAREBARRELS actually states: "There is nothing wrong with adding bare URL references to Wikipedia." Further, your edit removed much information that I had added and restored undocumented information that I had deleted.

Additionally, some paragraphs that you restored were so lengthy that few people would choose to read them in their entirety. If you are unable to cite a WP source that recommends a specific number of sentences within paragraphs as being "good practice", please do not revert short paragraphs that other editors have added.

In summary, when you revert other editors's contributions, do not remove documented information that the other editors have added or replace undocumented information that they have removed. Such reversions are unhelpful to readers, even if they are not vandalism. I have therefore restored the edits that you removed. Corker1 (talk) 17:17, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Blanking

Hello, I'm Smjg. I noticed that you recently removed all content from Miss Molly. Please do not do this. Blank pages are harmful to Wikipedia because they have a tendency to confuse readers. As a rule, if you discover a duplicate article, please redirect it to an appropriate existing page. If a page has been vandalised, please revert it to the last legitimate version. If you feel that the content of a page is inappropriate, please edit the page and replace it with appropriate content. If you believe there is no hope for the page, please see the deletion policy for how to proceed. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you wish to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. — Smjg (talk) 08:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. KoA (talk) 03:51, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

@KoA: @KoA: You are the one that is edit warring. You are removing images or text that I am adding without providing any justification for your deletions. When I replace the image or text, you remove them again. I therefore suggest that, if you wish to remove a recent edit or addition, you propose this on the article's talk page before you perform the deletion and ping the original editor. Alternatively, you should obtain a consensus before deleting any other editor's work, especially when not providing an thorough justification for your deletion. Corker1 (talk) 04:51, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Corker, and yes, I'm well aware what you say is WP:POT behavior trying to single me out as edit warring even though you're the one with 3 reverts right now. That isn't appropriate, and I don't appreciate interjecting that battleground behavior in to the subject. At the time, my only revert was supposed to be from my initial edits, and this one was intended to be part of the series. Not sure why I didn't get an edit conflict notice, but your knee-jerk reverts didn't help. When someone gives a clear justification, you can't just come back and revert saying no you didn't. You need to use the talk page if something isn't clear to you.

As you're well aware from our previous conversation a few months ago, part of what you suggest is inappropriate as WP:ONUS applies. After you initially add content and it is rejected, you should not be reinserting it as you have done. Nor is talk page consensus required every time content is deleted. Part of the reason this template is here is because you were still charging ahead with edits even when you know they are contentious and disputed, especially when there is a template on the page cautioning about those images. Instead of working collaboratively, you are being extremely combative, and that needs to stop. KoA (talk) 04:57, 30 September 2021 (UTC)