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:::Indeed. The very words "Donkey Kong" refer to a character -- that is the primary topic. The game is a game named after the character (not the other way around), and so is the franchise. <span style="13px Sylfaen;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">[[User:Salvidrim|<span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:white">Salvidrim!</span></span>]]</span> 15:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC) |
:::Indeed. The very words "Donkey Kong" refer to a character -- that is the primary topic. The game is a game named after the character (not the other way around), and so is the franchise. <span style="13px Sylfaen;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">[[User:Salvidrim|<span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:white">Salvidrim!</span></span>]]</span> 15:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC) |
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Can anyone add an explanation for the bizarre name (that they can back up with references)? [[User:Xcrivener|Xcrivener]] ([[User talk:Xcrivener|talk]]) 11:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC) |
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There is a section with references on the page for the character https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_Kong_(character) |
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I agree that it would be helpful for this explanation to also appear on this page, i.e. for the name of the game in general. |
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Miyamoto used "donkey" to convey "stubborn" in English; while "Kong" was simply to imply him being a "large ape", the name Donkey Kong was intended to convey "stubborn ape" to the American audience.[17][18][19] When he suggested this name to Nintendo of America, people laughed, but the name stuck.[18] |
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17. "Nintendo Online Magazine". Nintendo Online Magazine. Archived from the original on August 17, 2016. |
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18. "Miyamoto interview, E3 2001". Quarter To Three. May 16, 2001. Archived from the original on November 18, 2006. Retrieved May 31, 2007. |
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19. "Donkey Wrong". Snopes. February 19, 2007. Retrieved April 22, 2008. The bottom line is that no evidence backs up any of the explanations that the name 'Donkey Kong' came about because of a misread fax, mispronunciation, or mistranslation. Shigeru Miyamoto, the game's inventor and the one person who unquestionably knows the origins of the name he chose, has repeatedly affirmed that he used the word 'donkey' to convey a sense of stubbornness and the name 'Kong' to invoke the image of a gorilla. |
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[[Special:Contributions/81.109.84.66|81.109.84.66]] ([[User talk:81.109.84.66|talk]]) 21:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC) (It only took 11 years to get an answer here!) |
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Move discussion in progress
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La Planète de Donkey Kong
This show existed and ran for five seasons, and while it might not warrant its own page on English-language Wikipedia, it should be at least mentioned in the Television series section. I know no reliable English-language sources of information about it, however. French article here: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Plan%C3%A8te_de_Donkey_Kong 2601:205:200:8C:C4C:F747:91B1:DC3 (talk)
Illogical restructuring
An editor was bold by changing the entire structure of the article, so I am following "bold, revert, discuss". Let's discuss this before we change the article so dramatically. The structure that I have reverted does not have any apparent consistency, with content put under seemingly arbitrary headings. Why are the first Donkey Kong games such as Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr. and Donkey Kong 3, which are a series released in sequential order, not considered a "series"? What makes Donkey Kong Hockey a "spin-off", but not Donkey Kong Circus? Why is everything not under "series", "spin-off" or "other media" labelled "games", as if that is what distinguishes them from the other sections? The whole structure creates multiple overlapping categories, so that the placement of games becomes entirely capricious. The existing structure is far more sensible and logical. Consensus must be sought before making such dramatic changes. Ozdarka (talk) 00:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Donkey Kong in Katakana
http://www.videogameden.com/fc.htm?dok
Perhaps this could be a viable source. It shows several pictures of the original 1981 cartridges, including the Japanese release, which clearly shows 'donkii kongu' spelled out in katakana. As for verifying the translation itself this should be easily verifiable since it is elementary Japanese. The text also goes on duplicate much of the same information that is presented in the wiki. I'll leave this here for now since I don't care to take the time to do a professional edit on the main page. Feel free to remove this if someone does choose to include this reference. 63.140.78.43 (talk) 15:25, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Donkey Kong → Donkey Kong (franchise) –
Proposed by: ArtistScientist (talk · contribs)
This article's name could be less ambiguous. There is a video game called Donkey Kong as well as a character. I propose making it obvious that this article is about the video game franchise and all the series that pertain to it. ArtistScientist (talk) 02:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- From what I can see, in the case of multiple articles with the same title, a primary topic is chosen, and the other articles have disambiguation in there titles. I don't have any opposition to this change, but am not sure it would follow standards. Salvidrim! 05:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Weak Support I think the character should be primary, but a disambiguation page is also fine. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 07:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- I think the arcade game should be the primary article, since that is the primary usage of the name in the general public. It's the same with Pac-Man.ArtistScientist (talk) 06:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose; the franchise is the primary topic. All other topics are subtopics of the franchise. Powers T 15:25, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- It seems like it would be hard to argue that in the case of Mario, though. ArtistScientist (talk) 07:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed. The very words "Donkey Kong" refer to a character -- that is the primary topic. The game is a game named after the character (not the other way around), and so is the franchise. Salvidrim! 15:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- It seems like it would be hard to argue that in the case of Mario, though. ArtistScientist (talk) 07:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
That name
Can anyone add an explanation for the bizarre name (that they can back up with references)? Xcrivener (talk) 11:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
There is a section with references on the page for the character https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_Kong_(character)
I agree that it would be helpful for this explanation to also appear on this page, i.e. for the name of the game in general.
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Miyamoto used "donkey" to convey "stubborn" in English; while "Kong" was simply to imply him being a "large ape", the name Donkey Kong was intended to convey "stubborn ape" to the American audience.[17][18][19] When he suggested this name to Nintendo of America, people laughed, but the name stuck.[18]
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17. "Nintendo Online Magazine". Nintendo Online Magazine. Archived from the original on August 17, 2016.
18. "Miyamoto interview, E3 2001". Quarter To Three. May 16, 2001. Archived from the original on November 18, 2006. Retrieved May 31, 2007.
19. "Donkey Wrong". Snopes. February 19, 2007. Retrieved April 22, 2008. The bottom line is that no evidence backs up any of the explanations that the name 'Donkey Kong' came about because of a misread fax, mispronunciation, or mistranslation. Shigeru Miyamoto, the game's inventor and the one person who unquestionably knows the origins of the name he chose, has repeatedly affirmed that he used the word 'donkey' to convey a sense of stubbornness and the name 'Kong' to invoke the image of a gorilla.
81.109.84.66 (talk) 21:12, 28 August 2022 (UTC) (It only took 11 years to get an answer here!)