Talk:Ned Ambler

The Wikipedia entry for Ned Ambler has 9 issues which call into question its accuracy. At the same time the subject himself, Ned Ambler, does not wish to have a Wikipedia page at all. He no longer works in these industries and does not want this information to falsely represent him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.147.46.115 (talk) 21:50, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

From the new sources it is clear that I, Ned Ambler, am no longer a talent scout, that I never was only a talent scout, that that job was only in the late 1990's, and that instead I did a variety of published jobs afterwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.147.46.115 (talk) 22:54, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

update post

The article from which this post is based is outdated. It is from 1996. I, Ned Ambler, have not been a talent scout for over 20 years thus I would like to edit the post to be factually correct and, if permitted, to simplify the post to be the following:

"Ned Ambler is an American who had a job as a talent scout in the late 1990's finding models for advertising campaigns for Calvin Klein and Gap.[2]

Signed: Ned Ambler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.147.46.115 (talk) 18:36, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

There is no reason to remove the publicly documented details of Ambler's career as happened here.

Regarding whether or not Ambler currently still does the job he is notable for, we'd need a reliable source to say that he stopped. If we have such a source - and for such a rather uncontroversial detail even a primary source such as an official website could probably do - we'd reword the sentence to "is a former talent scout". Compare MOS:BLPTENSE. I have tried to find such a source but didn't succeed. Huon (talk) 20:36, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

I juxt saw the edit summary stating that New York got parts of the content wrong. That's very unfortunate since they spoke with Ned Ambler back in the day and he missed the opportunity to set the record straight when the issue was current. 23 years later, setting the record straight will be far more difficult. My advice would still be to contact New York and to ask them to publish a correction; when they do, we can cite that correction for the place of birth. Huon (talk) 20:47, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

From the new sources it is clear that I, Ned Ambler, am no longer a talent scout, that I never was only a talent scout, that that job was only in the late 1990's, and that instead I did a variety of published jobs afterwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.147.46.115 (talk) 22:55, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

None of the sources you cited says you stopped being a talent scout. The interview comes closest but still says "He consistently comes up with faces ..." - note the present tense. Also, having stopped being a talent scout is no reason to remove well-sourced information about your stint as a talent scout; removal of sourced content merely because you don't like it is disruptive and may see you blocked from editing Wikipedia. Also, the sources you cite are largely not helpful: Some are not reliable, some are not independent, and most are just trivial passing mentions. In fact, the only one that even clarifies that it's talking about the person who worked as a talent scount in the 1990s is the interview. Wikipedia content should be a summary of what reliable third-party sources have reported about you, in proportion to the amount of coverage that the various aspects of your life and career have received. If your stint as a talent scout got you detailed coverage in media on two continents while everything else you did only got passing mentions and name-drops, then that stint should be what the article focuses on.

To address your concern with the article, I'll do three things:

• I'll remove the place of birth that you say the Independent got wrong. Please note that that's an editorial choice that other editors may disagree with; Wikipedia's stance is "verifiability", and we are under no obligation to take your word over the Independent's (you haven't even provided evidence that you are who you say you are, and even if you had, some people lie about themselves, too - not that I believe that you do, but you'll agree that blindly following what people say about themselves would not be a good stance for an encyclopedia).
• I'll add more dates to clarify what happened when, and to show that your talent scouting heyday was long ago. Our readers can then conclude that that's no longer current.
• I'll use the interview source to add a sentence about how by 1999 the height of your talent scount work was over and you branched out into photography of your own.

If you continue to remove well-sourced content or to rewrite the article into what you'd like to be said about you without regard for Wikipedia's policies, I'll have to choose between two options: Either I'll directly ask for your ability to edit the page to be restricted, or I'll ask for more input from the community of editors, which will get more eyes on the page and will help establish a consensus on what content should be included and what not. Huon (talk) 21:49, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I am sorry there has been turbulence between us, Huon. I hope you will accept what I added. I did not remove anything you wrote. SIGNED: Ned Ambler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.147.46.115 (talk) 00:47, 9 October 2019 (UTC)