User talk:The Sri Lanka

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Unsourced additions removed

Hello again, The Sri Lanka. I've undone a couple of your recent edits, because you failed to provide a source. Please review Wikipedia's policy on WP:Verifiability, and always add a citation to a reliable source to accompany your addition of content to articles. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my Talk page. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 10:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mathglot Thanks The Sri Lanka (talk) 17:33, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

November 2022

Hello, I'm Adakiko. I noticed that in this edit to Hindu calendar, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Adakiko (talk) 10:19, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add or significantly change content without citing verifiable and reliable sources, as you did with this edit to Buddhism in Sri Lanka. Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Adakiko (talk) 11:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Adakiko I agree with you that there should be broad discussion regarding controversial edits. The content which has been removed are false, misleading, and have been taken from prejudiced sources. Wikipedia is a free and impartial platform, and the policies of Wikipedia affirm that prejudicial content and content that incite racism and hatred should not be displayed. The Sri Lanka (talk) 11:38, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did with this edit to Buddhism in Sri Lanka. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Adakiko (talk) 11:43, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Adakiko Why are you so interested in inciting racism and religious prejudice? Wikipedia is not a platform for spreading prejudice. The Sri Lanka (talk) 11:47, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did with this edit to Land of poets. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 07:32, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced or poorly sourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Land of poets. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 07:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi The Sri Lanka! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of an article several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. 331dot (talk) 12:50, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot Wikipedia is based on consensus and values. In order to delete a Wikipedia page, there should be consensus among the users of Wikipedia. An article cannot be deleted simply because you don't like it. You can express your concerns and it will be considered if you have valid reasons. Deletions made without a reason are mostly driven by hatred and are indeed disruptive. So it is better to discuss and come to an amicable agreement, rather than to start unnecessary "edit wars" which will benefit none. The Sri Lanka (talk) 13:01, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As a longtime user, I am aware of this. It is up to you to obtain consensus for your change, not others to obtain consensus to keep it out. There is an existing article about ranks in the Sri Lankan Navy, and you have not explained why this one needs a separate article. 331dot (talk) 13:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot The article Sri Lanka Navy ranks and insignia provides a general overview of the ranks and insignia of the Sri Lanka Navy. The separate article on the rank of Rear admiral (Sri Lanka) provides more information regarding the rank. It will also provide a platform to include details about the functions and holders of the rank, etc. The Sri Lanka (talk) 13:11, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My views are not driven by hatred of anything, but by policy and guidelines. No more, no less. See WP:AGF. 331dot (talk) 13:05, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. Fram (talk) 13:26, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is The Sri Lanka and unsourced WP:RGW. Thank you. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 07:49, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please comment at the above discussion? I would like to hear your side of this. If you could share it, it would be much appreciated. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 11:32, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mako001

Dear Friend,

Buddhism is the Dharma preached by the Lord Buddha. Dharma is the way of life. Buddhism teaches what is right and wrong, just like other religions, and especially gives the freedom to question and accept the teachings by volition. Hence, it is free for everyone to accept the Buddhist teachings and take part in Buddhist religious activities, regardless of their ethnic or religious denominations. Buddhism values peace and harmony and advocates non-violence. No where does Buddhism justify violence in any circumstances.

Buddhism was introduced to Sri Lanka in the 3rd Century BCE, and the people of Sri Lanka embraced Buddhism at their own will. Since then, Buddhism has enriched Sri Lankan society and culture in many ways, becoming an integral part of the Sri Lankan identity. People belonging to different ethnicities and religions had lived peacefully and harmoniously in Sri Lanka. It is highly appreciated, if you would read the unaltered history of Sri Lanka, which will give you a clear picture of inter-faith and inter-communal harmony in Sri Lanka. The ethnic and religious diversity in Sri Lanka was exploited by the British colonial rulers, who concocted to create tension, following their policy of "divide and rule". So, sources from the colonial era, thus create a distorted picture regarding ethnic and religious diversity in Sri Lanka, which can be attributed to misunderstandings and also to fabrications.

However, the Buddhist culture and heritage was threatened under more than four centuries of colonial rule. As a result, Buddhist leaders like Anagarika Dharmapala, who intended to preserve the Sri Lankan Buddhist culture and heritage, educated the Buddhist community about their culture and heritage which was waning due to colonialism, and elaborated on the Sri Lankan Buddhist identity as distinguished from the the culture of the colonialists who attacked not only Buddhism but also Hinduism which was followed by the Sri Lankan Tamils. Unity in diversity was always the norm and racism was never encouraged, for it does not take violence to preserve the heritage.

The excerpts from a certain book, which were removed and subsequently created controversy, claim that the Buddhist culture in Sri Lanka is a driving force behind the ethnic conflicts. In reality, a great majority of Sri Lankan Buddhists disapprove of such racist ideology, and live in harmony with all other communities and protect victims of such racial violence. Since there is no ecclesiastical authority over Buddhism in Sri Lanka, there is no official standpoint of the Buddhist community. The author clearly explains this in his book the existent reality. But to understand that one must read the complete version. By providing a few excerpts that describes only the violence, it conveys a wrong message to the reader that Buddhism is behind the racial violence. It is a clear distortion of what the book says. Such misleading content can incite racism. Since Wikipedia adheres to the truth and values peace and also avoids taking a political stance, such content do not comply with the policies of Wikipedia. The Sri Lanka (talk) 14:04, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, some people will find that too long to comfortably read, so I will attempt to summarise the points you are making here. Please let me know if you think that my summary isn't an accurate representation of what you were trying to say:

Buddhism is a peaceful religion, and encourages non-violence and tolerance.
Before becoming a British colony, Sri Lanka was a peaceful and harmonious land, with people of various religions amd ethnicities cooexisting peacefully.
When it became a British colony, the divide and rule approach used in the British Empire caused divisions between these people.
As a result, scholarship based on the colonial period doesn't accurately portray the relationship between these peoples in Sri Lanka.
A revival of Buddhist culture in Sri Lanka took place, and part of its aim was to reunite these various groups, and to end racism and ethnic/religious violence.
The excerpt cited to say that Buddhist culture was a driving force behind ethnic violence in Sri Lanka had been used out of context.
The violence is the result of a small minority of Buddhists who ignore the teachings of Buddhism, and most Buddhists in Sri Lanka do not agree with these people, their views, or their methods.
When the proper context was used, the book actually supported the point immediately above.
Using the claim out of context could encourage racism and does not adhere to Wikipedia policy (WP:DUE and WP:NPOV).

Is this an accurate summary of what you are saying above? I've done my best, but, again, if I've misrepresented anything, please let me know. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 11:57, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marshal of the Air Force (Sri Lanka) moved to draftspace

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@MPGuy2824 Sources will be added. Thanks The Sri Lanka (talk) 10:36, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Duruthu Perehera moved to draftspace

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@FishandChipper Copyrights are indeed important. Thanks for explaining the Copyright policy of Wikipedia. The Sri Lanka (talk) 11:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia and copyright

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@Storchy Copyrights are indeed important. Thanks for explaining the Copyright policy of Wikipedia. The Sri Lanka (talk) 11:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Admiral of the Fleet (Sri Lanka) for deletion

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An anonymous username, not my real name 05:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey The Sri Lanka, my apologies for mistakenly nominating your article for deletion. However, you can't just remove the tag from the article because you disagree with the nomination. Again, you made the right choice in this specific case, but in principle, that is highly frowned upon. An anonymous username, not my real name 06:31, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@An anonymous username, not my real name That is fine. It would be better to have a discussion prior to controversial actions. Anyway it is solved now. The Sri Lanka (talk) 06:34, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Captain (Sri Lanka Navy) for deletion

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Fram (talk) 13:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Fram The mentioning of Admiral of the Fleet as Captain has been removed, since it is two distinct ranks. Your deletion notice remains intact. The Sri Lanka (talk) 13:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for sockpuppetry

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If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 12:03, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DatGuy I vehemently deny the accusations of abusing multiple accounts in a deletion discussion page. All my comments regarding the aforesaid page has been made under this account, and no other. The comments that have been made are by other users unknown to me. This is clearly a false accusation, for the accuser does not provide any evidence to substantiate his/her claim that all the comments saying or implying "keep" have been made solely by myself using different accounts. The Sri Lanka (talk) 12:19, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The comments were made via IP address, not accounts. IPs are not accounts. It would be unusual for IPs to find their way to an AFD at random. 331dot (talk) 12:24, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot However, it is clearly not mine. The Sri Lanka (talk) 12:30, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A multitude of users found your articles, edit-warred to reintroduce your preferred version, participated in AfDs involving you, and commented in the same style as you. I find it incredibly unlikely that this all happened at random. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 12:35, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it is difficult to accept this as a coincidence. 331dot (talk) 12:38, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DatGuy Nothing of such as you say happened at the deletion discussion page. The Sri Lanka (talk) 12:38, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It did, and it's all documented in the edit history. You're potentially talking yourself into a longer block if you persist in denying what is plainly evident. 331dot (talk) 12:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot How can you say precisely that it is none other than myself? The Sri Lanka (talk) 12:51, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot I don't care how long this block will continue, for I what is say is only the truth, no more, no less. The Sri Lanka (talk) 12:54, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We have common sense and basic reasoning skills, do not insult our intelligence. Can we say with 100% certainty? No, since we are not in the room with you. We don't need to be 100% certain. You may make an unblock request for someone to review, but saying "it's not me" will not be enough. 331dot (talk) 12:55, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot I will never make such request, for the accusations are nothing but falsehood. The Sri Lanka (talk) 13:02, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If it's false, I would think you would want to request unblock, but it's your decision. Good day. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot Good day to you too. The Sri Lanka (talk) 13:30, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DatGuy No accusation is credible as long as you do not provide any credible evidence. The Sri Lanka (talk) 12:41, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 2023

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@DrKay Ok Thanks The Sri Lanka (talk) 05:02, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@David J Johnson Noted. Thanks. The Sri Lanka (talk) 05:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Remsense Sure. Thanks for notifying. The Sri Lanka (talk) 05:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That also applies to Monarchy of Spain, which is sufficiently descriptive and doesn't require a short description.. Remsense ‥ 论 05:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Remsense Alright The Sri Lanka (talk) 06:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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